Friday, November 11, 2011

About that alcohol in the car...

Some people have pointed to the alcohol that Maura bought the day she disappeared as evidence that she intended to drink herself to death. Sometimes, we don't see the forest for the trees, as this Websleuth points out in the screen cap above (click to enlarge).

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  1. Although a friend has pointed out that Maura probably bought the booze in Massachusetts because she feared that the New Hampshire stores would be closed by the time she reached that state, I cannot help but wonder how a young woman described by her boyfriend Billy as being "extremely frugal" would not have chanced catching the stores before they closed, rather than buying the stuff for more money in Massachusetts. Naturally even a frugal person can splurge now and again, but what was at play on that night? Did she need a boost of courage to drive a car she was afraid to use around campus into the darkness of New Hampshire? Was she buying the stuff for a person who was helping her and who shared her fondness for the very same drinks she did, or, not knowing what her friend drank, did she simply buy more of what she normally imbibed so as to share? I remember reading a post by Sharon, Billy's mom, in which she stated that Maura was completely unafraid to go running in neighborhoods that were very dangerous, yet she was said to have been afraid to drive her car around campus; is it me or does this seem odd? I mean, how badly was the car running while she was at Umass Amherst that she felt compelled to drive around with friends rather than use her own car? Though I have always hoped that she has simply taken off, and what Renner has posted of late makes her wanting to get away from it all a distinct possibility, it unfortunately does not defy credulity that she may have been planning to do herself in while staying at a motel. Perhaps a person would feel comfortable surrounded with the books and other items she was said to have brought with her such that a state of drunken bliss could facilitate the taking of one's life by other more rapid means. But perhaps it was as a poster called docwho3 suggested on the old site; that is, maybe she brought things which were important to her so as to leave the materials in a room somewhere to be found thereby sending a message to all who would look for one: "I, Maura Murray, am leaving my old life far behind."

    John Avellar

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  2. I watched the story on Maura today on youtube....my heart goes out to her family and friends, heartbreaking. I had a thought that probably means nothing but I was concerned about the window of time between the bus driver leaving the spot and the police being called, not a very large window....someone who is monitoring a police scanner would hear the call from the dispatcher. The reason I was thinking about this is I read that another Girl went missing in VT after leaving her dish washing job at an inn....the story said she was also involved in a one car accident....were the police called regarding that accident? I thought that the odds of a "crazy" person just happening on Maura during that small window of time are very low but if this crazy person monitors a police scanner then they could have driven to the spot before the police showed up.

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  3. You missed my point on Webslueths, as well as the person who replied, so here it is again -
    I don't think (as I previously mentioned) that she planned a one-way hiking trip into the woods. But, after the crash, who knows her state of mind, and while the booze was originally intended to make mixed drinks in some warm hotel/motel/condo room, now she could have IMO taken them with her into the woods....

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  4. maybe she took it with her simply so the police wouldn't find it.

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  5. Was the alcohol she purchased what she typically drank? Did she usually drink boxed wine and mudslides? I'm asking because, for example, my close friends are aware of what I drink and what would be uncharacteristic of me to have in my possession. If my car had been found with white wine, they would know something is off, as I hate white wine. Just wondering if she had purchased alcohol for someone else.

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  6. It was absolutely stated on occasions too numerous to state that the booze she bought was the stuff she enjoyed drinking whenever she was in a drinking mood.

    John Avellar

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  7. Her drink of choice that I have seen stated by her friend kate was Skyy vodka mixed with Franzia blush wine

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  8. Maybe Maura did not intend to drink herself to death but to drink herself into a miscarriage. Seems odd no one has considered this. It would explain a great deal if a woman reared in an Irish Catholic family found herself pregnant and didn't want to have a child at that time . . .

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  9. Why was my post re-worded?

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  10. I do not have the ability to re-word a post.

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  11. I don't think drinking is a surefire way to induce a miscarriage, and Maura would have known that. There are certain herbs that can do it, though.

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  12. interesting. I have to agree with the post that Mr. Renner copied here from Websleuths. You are not bringing (or buying while up there) a whole bunch of alcoholic beverages that you have to mix up to go off and kill yourself. It's just silly to think anyone would do that. You're bringing Whiskey or scotch or vodka in large amounts. Let's face it, if you're bringing ingredients for a mudslide or any fancy mixed drink you are going to a party or meeting friends or perhaps even going to a condo or rented place with a blender or a prep area like a kitchen in order to mix the drinks. Just common sense. Whatever happened to her happened when she got there, there was no intent to go off and die.

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  13. @ Renner, ok sorry, I guess you posted someone elses post, on the same day, with the same theory and not mine. I don't think alcohol alone would cause a miscarriage, as I stated in my post, alcohol in addition to Tylenol PM on a continious basis might. JMO.

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  14. It is highly unlikely that drinking would induce a miscarriage. Ever hear of fetal alcohol syndrome? That's babies born with birth defects from mom drinking too much. I've had many friends that were partying big and didn't know they were pregnant. Their babies were born full term, but had some learning difficulties.

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  15. I think the phone call was her laying the groundwork for her "death" in the family story later.

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  16. I have been completely enamored with this story since I first found out about it, tears well up in my eyes every time I think about her. I feel a connection with her and like so many of you I want to see the truth come out. My brother went missing 7 years ago and to this day we do not have a clue as to where he is. Therefore, I feel the family’s pain and hope there is a resolution soon. It is the not knowing that is the hardest part. After spending hours of watching and reading things about her life and the events leading up to her disappearance this is what I believe happened. First I believe she was beginning to form a drinking problem. I believe that the first wreck she was in earlier in the week was alcohol related. She was reportedly coming from a party. I think that she drank as an escape from an extremely stressful school and personal life. She seemed like a free spirit that had been locked into a very formal regiment like a bird in a cage. With the second accident and subsequent disappearance I am 99.9% sure that she was not going to kill herself. As many have mentioned previously buying boxed whine and "White Russian" ingredients would not be the optimal way to go about taking your own life. So let us take suicide completely out of the picture because this is not what she was trying to do. After her first accident I think she was completely stressed out because she felt as if she let her dad down, and she had to deal with the paperwork from the wreck, while also dealing with school and possibly marriage. She probably felt like she was stuck in raging waters that were sweeping her downstream in a direction she did not want to go. Finally, she just broke down. She was going to Burlington Vermont to get away for a few days and just relax, on her own. I do not think that she going up there to meet someone. The Police did an extensive search of her computer, phone logs, etc and had she been involved with someone, other than her boyfriend, something would have turned up. Her close friends would know if she was “fooling around” as most girls her age gossip and talk about flirts and love interests openly. Someone previously posted that the drinks in her car matched her personal taste and were her drinks of choice. “White Russians” are a personalized drink, and not many people can stomach boxed whine. So to me it is obvious that she was not meeting up with someone else but rather picked out some drinks for her own enjoyment. She was probably just stockpiling booze for the next few days of her “vacation.” On the Disappeared episode, the owner of the condominiums said that she would not have been able to rent out her condominiums at that time. However, that does not mean Maura did not want to go to Burlington just to get away for a few days whether she had a condominium or not. She probably figured worst-case scenario she could get a motel. The $280 she took out would more than cover a motel. Burlington was a place she had gone on vacation throughout her life. Burlington to her seemed like a place she could recover and refocus. As far as her things packed up in her room, she was caught up in a moment of panic and was thinking about leaving school and dropping out but at the last moment changed her mind and decided to take a road trip to Burlington to clear her mind and refocus.

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  17. That leads us to her second car wreck and disappearance. Her driving was impaired from sipping on her drink during the drive and she was not prepared to make that turn. She probably locked up on her breaks and spun out of control. No blood was found in the car so that probably means she had her belt on. I have been hit in the face with an airbag before and can tell you it is quite a shock. Afterwards my face was swollen, blue and puffy for a few days. The first call to report the accident was at 7:29 and the police arrived at 7:46. In addition, during that 17-minute frame of time she had a conversation with the bus driver. If she was completely wasted from drinking the bus driver would have noticed the smell on her breath and could have quickly assessed she was drunk by her staggering or slurring her words. If the bus driver knew she was drunk I do not think he would leave the scene of the accident and drive home. Unless she begged and pleaded with him and maybe he felt sorry for her and he just drove off. If the bus driver had anything to do with murder he would not be doing television shows 5 years later. I am not ready to rule out the bus driver’s involvement but I seriously doubt he had anything to do with it. The Police never would have allowed him to leave the state if he was a primary suspect. At worst he is a liar that drove off leaving a young drunken girl abandoned on the side of the road. If you are a murderer/kidnapper the last thing you do is call the cops 10 minutes after the crime. I think Maura was buzzed, got into the wreck, was in a state of shock and extreme stress. She talked her way around the bus driver who then drove his bus home and called the cops. Maura knew she did not have much time to get away from the scene so she immediately started down the road and flagged down a motorist who stopped and picked her up and whisked her away. She took the vodka and drink mix with her to destroy the evidence. I wonder if anyone ever looked further down the road for a discarded bottle of vodka or White Russian mix. What her and the motorist did after that no one knows. It is possible she ran away at that point to get away from the shame, guilt, and troubles of her life. In addition, it is possible that she is still out there posing as someone else in a new life. Alternatively, maybe the motorist did something unspeakable to her. Ask yourself, what are the odds of a motorist passing by being a serial killer or kidnapper? Talk about a cosmic event. Sure there are some sick and twisted people out there but for one to be driving by exactly in that 10-minute period is hard to believe. She was a decent sized girl that could run extremely fast, so I am sure she could have gotten away from her captor if he had tried anything. Either way the driver is afraid that they would face charges for aiding her in escaping from the scene of a crime so they are keeping their mouths shut. Someone should look up in Canada, run some ad campaigns up there or post some pictures. I do believe the case should be opened up completely and the family should be given all the information the police know. At this point the family just wants to know. It is possible that by giving them the information the crime may go unpunished but at this point the family is willing to risk that. I think the Police are holding back details or have facts that could shed some light on this case. For the sake of the family, and everyone following this story, open up your books!

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  18. Hello, I would like make to make a comment about the previous poster's reliance on "cosmic" improbability to suggest that Maura was not abducted by a serial killer. It is true, as you point out, that the convergence of such a criminal on a young woman suddenly stranded is extremely unlikely. However, that direction of analysis puts the cart before the horse. We are not looking at Maura's case objectively or clinically here (i.e., we are going to follow a girl's life on a blog and see what happens ... oh well what are the odds she would get abducted?) The odds of abduction of anyone are very low. But we are assessing her after some event has already occurred and this event is WHY we are assessing her. Thus, the conditional selection of her as someone to look at extinguishes the logic that it was too unlikely for her to have run across a serial killer. The unlikely something already happened to Maura and its occurrence is why we are interested in her. Aside from that, however, I thought your post was very well reasoned and it edified my understanding and consideration of this sad story. I would like to suggest that an argument similar to yours exists as to why she did not - a few feet down the road (where her scent was lost by the dogs) - hop in a car with a passing, random stranger. To wit: what difference, as far as she knew, the bus driver and the speculated second person she encountered? Why pass on BA and accept a ride or help from stranger number two as she flees the scene? I thus agree with your speculation that the ride away from the scene, if that is how it happened, probably came from someone she knew, on this logic as well as the rest of your interesting post. Regards, ~ John Green

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    1. Hey John Green,

      I enjoy your posts. I know Mr. Renner and I think you too like the "driving in tandem" or at least "meeting someone" theories.

      Can I ask, how much of that is based on your argument here? That is, if she didn't get in the car when BA asked why did she later get in a car, unless she knew the second driver?

      I think that logic is faulty and can offer multiple reasons why she wouldn't ride with BA but would get in the car with another stranger.

      First, we don't know at what point Maura determined her car wouldn't run. Perhaps when BA came by she thought she could drive away and so turned down his offer. (It's quite often ignored, but I think this explains the rag in the tailpipe too. Car wouldn't start so she used the trick her dad had taught her...it didn't work so she left on foot and then got into the next vehicle that passed.)

      Second, and I mean no offense to BA or his family, but I'm a 6'3" male and I'm not sure I'd have gone with him. I think he'd be a rather intimidating figure in the night. Maybe driver two looked less scary to Maura.

      Third, he wanted to call the cops. She didn't want him to. He told her she could wait at his house right up the road. She wanted to flee. Maybe driver two wasn't talking about cops and offered a ride to a gas station or pay phone.

      Fourth, she was drunk. Whether "buzzed" or "trashed" she may have thought, nah, I'll walk to help. A hundred yards later she's realized how cold it was and offer number two sounds a whole lot better.

      -TL

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    2. That is a *great* explanation for the rag in the tailpipe. In fact, it is the most plausible explanation I've read yet. I am convinced that the rag was put into the tailpipe after the accident--as others have mentioned, it would have been quickly expelled by the car if she had tried to drive with it in there--and yours is a *much* better explanation for why than "She put it there to flag down other motorists" or whatever.

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  19. Drew in LA, you've clearly thought a lot about this. But it's been proven that Maura was seeing other men. Read a bit further back on this very blog.

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  20. On Wiki it says that a rag was stuffed in the tail pipe of her car. Does anyone know anything about this?

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  21. I just watched the story and her reason for going there would seem to be recreational. If she was drinking in the car before the crash then that would explain why she would have fled. She didnt want to get in trouble with the police. Since there was snow then they would have found footprints within a short distance. She must have gotten into another vehicle.

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  22. Watched disappeared on netflex a few day ago. It said she made a phone call a the next day to her boyfriend leaving a voicemail using a Pre paid calling card. So I doubt if she was kidnapped she would have access to her cell phone and calling card. Could have the police picked up what cell phone tower the last call was made from??? The bus driver also said there no cell phone signal in that area because of the hills. The road she was on doesn't seem to be a major interstate or heavily traveled road so im guessing whom ever she got a ride with travels that road often or lives in that area. Still not 100% ready to give a "all clear" on the bus driver... The whole time frame is based on his story! Who knows the accual time of the accident. Does the time on the liquor store receipt add up with the time it would take someone to drive from the liquor store to the scene of accident? I don't think someone would turn down what seems to be a safe ride to the nearest phone just to flag down Another car a few mins. later. Theres a open bottle law also...Explaining all the other bottles missing except the unopen box of wine. The car was also locked! With all her belonging inside.... Tellin me she was planning on coming back soon. Just got a feeling the bus driver is not telling everything he knows.

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  23. The bus driver knew that something, other than that the accident was amiss. When she lied to him about calling for aid (there was absolutely no cell phone service there at that time)he knew that she was avoiding a DUI. However, would he pull over, in front of his neighbors, and then abduct her in a school bus. I sincerely doubt it. He had to know that there was an excellent chance that they would be watching. (which they were)Besides, a bus sticks out like a sore thumb. People would stop if a bus were pulled over for any period of time.

    There is so much blame to go around, in particular, to the New Hampshire State Police Officer. He should have continued to follow up and called for assistance faced with the strange situation he came upon at the accident scene.

    I firmly believe that someone came upon the scene and offered her help and she took it. Disappearing up there (I own a home 30 miles southeast)would not be hard. It has happened many times before. The question should be which direction did they go. There was no immediate help going east but she probably did not know that lacking knowledge of the road as her father insisted. She absolutely knew there was help going the west towards Rte. 91 from which she just came. Her best bet would have been a local motel to, perhaps, sober up for the night and face the music in the morning avoiding the OUI. She certainly had enough money and would more than likely have had access to a phone.

    To regress a little, if her father had come out to Umass to find her a car, he would have found one in a matter of hours. Credit was readily available in those days for a college senior nursing student. Even if it took a cobuyer they would have had a car that day. GMAC and the banks are open for credit approval on Saturdays or she could have waited until Monday to pick it up if her insurance company was not open. It would have been a vehicle transfer, so all it would have taken is a notification of the insurance company, a faxed binder, and and the title for the saturn trade. That is very simple. If she bought a car then she would not have been going anywhere. Having a daughter who is the exact same age and a senior in college, she would not let me leave until the car was purchased. It is an extremely suspicious part of the father's story. Even if he did not have the money or the credit, her mother could have been the cosigner. Someone at some dealership would have recognzed a father and a daughter coming in to a dealership. They are the complete buying package. They would not have let them go without taking down their information and having them test drive something. No mention was ever made of where they stopped or what they looked at. As a father, if the car she was driving was in such bad shape I would not have left there until I found her a car. I would need that piece of mind that she was driving a safe vehicle. He must have felt that way otherwise why did he let her drive his new car after dinner that night.

    That red rag hanging out of the tailpipe would not have lasted from Umass to Woodville/Haverhill. In my opinion, she would have been pulled over by the State Police as that indicates a vhicle with problems. So how did it get there? The pipe would have been burning hot immediately after the accident after driving all that time. That would have been the last thing that she thought about after the accident. It is a mystery to me.

    Lastly, the White Mountain Community College had a class going on at Woodville HS. The course got out just before 7:45 and someone had to take that road. Someone would have seen something or stopped. The school has records as to who took that course. They have maintain all that infromation in order to issue transcripts.

    MDW

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  24. MDW- You said, "Lastly, the White Mountain Community College had a class going on at Woodville HS. The course got out just before 7:45 and someone had to take that road. Someone would have seen something or stopped. The school has records as to who took that course. They have maintain all that infromation in order to issue transcripts." That is fascinating! I have NEVER heard this mentioned before and I have been following this case for years. I guess they would need some sort of court order to look that up! Perhaps another ad or shout out asking for information about this class is in order!

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    1. Call the college. They will verify what I am saying.
      MDW

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  25. They absolutely had classes in Woodville that evening. I called the White Mountain Community College two years ago and they verified the date. People taking a course there would not come from the North because they could take the course at the main campus which is north of there. A person would be coming from the south or east. Why not west? In state tuition for a community college. East and south are NH. Vermont is West and has it's own community college system. Nobody ever mentions these facts but they are the best bet to solve this cold case. MDW

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  26. Has anyone considered that she may have wanted her disappearance to look like a suicide? Either to distract people from looking for her after she ran away on purpose, or to guilt-trip Billy or someone else (Fred)? The latter might explain why she left the printed email from Billy on top of her stuff.

    It is easy to imagine someone, particularly a girl of that age, making a suicide gesture by running away and leaving the signs of suicide (a rag in the tailpipe, booze in the car, etc.) The crash may have been an unplanned accident. However, not everything fits--if she wanted to fake a suicide, she might have left a suicide note, and she would probably have arranged in advance to use a different rag than the one in her car kit.

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  27. The accident that Maura had involving her father's car was probably alcohol related given her drinking activity in the car near the time of her disappearance (was there a report released about a DWI after she wrecked her fathers car)? I know that DWI's are a big deal up in that area. They aren't very lenient with you; they can suspend your license and that can affect a person being able to buy a car. If she was already convicted of credit fraud and then had a DWI on her record that could have made her frantic and maybe even desperate to just escape for a short time. She was supposed to be this perfect student with a lot of promise in her life. If she were to get yet another DWI in another state (New Hampshire), she would not have been able to drive at all, thus inhibiting her prospects as a nurse since she had to drive to get to a job and school. While she was on her adventure to go meet a certain someone for a week of fun in the mountains she got her regular booze and decided to have a drink or two while driving to her destination. After getting into the accident in New Hampshire, I'm sure her thought was...I'm going to get the heck out of here before the cops arrive because if they find me here and I've been drinking, I'm finished as a nurse! I originally thought that she maybe took a ride from the bus driver who may have convinced her that he'd take her to his house to call Triple A, but now upon hearing more of the story (that she was in trouble with the law already), that doesn't seem plausible. The bus driver was wanting to contact the cops and I'm sure she wanted to be far away from that. I do not think she tried to make it appear as if she committed suicide. I do not think she intended to kill herself or to go hiking in the mountains and disappear. Sometimes when young kids get into trouble they do really stupid things out of hurt and end up getting themselves deeper into trouble. She had been drinking and her decision making was not the best. Out of desperation to get away from the scene she probably took a ride with the wrong person. He may have raped her and beat her until he thought she was dead and took her to a remote location (possibly 50 miles away from the scene) and got rid of her. The call Maura's boyfriend got was her trying to call for help. She was barely alive and freezing and there was barely enough cell phone service out there. The reason she can't be found is because she is out in a remote area or the mountains of New Hampshire somewhere. I would probably look in the Claremont, NH area. I wonder how far that is from the crime scene? I've had to work in Claremont, NH and the place gives me the creeps for some reason. And, there are other small little towns in that area you would never know existed where it would be easy to get rid of someone. The possibilities in this case are endless though, so I guess the only way we'll know is when they finally find some more clues related to this case.

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  28. The accident that Maura had involving her father's car was probably alcohol related given her drinking activity in the car near the time of her disappearance (was there a report released about a DWI after she wrecked her fathers car)? I know that DWI's are a big deal up in that area. They aren't very lenient with you; they can suspend your license and that can affect a person being able to buy a car. If she was already convicted of credit fraud and then had a DWI on her record that could have made her frantic and maybe even desperate to just escape for a short time. She was supposed to be this perfect student with a lot of promise in her life. If she were to get yet another DWI in another state (New Hampshire), she would not have been able to drive at all, thus inhibiting her prospects as a nurse since she had to drive to get to a job and school. While she was on her adventure to go meet a certain someone for a week of fun in the mountains she got her regular booze and decided to have a drink or two while driving to her destination. After getting into the accident in New Hampshire, I'm sure her thought was...I'm going to get the heck out of here before the cops arrive because if they find me here and I've been drinking, I'm finished as a nurse! I originally thought that she maybe took a ride from the bus driver who may have convinced her that he'd take her to his house to call Triple A, but now upon hearing more of the story (that she was in trouble with the law already), that doesn't seem plausible. The bus driver was wanting to contact the cops and I'm sure she wanted to be far away from that. I do not think she tried to make it appear as if she committed suicide. I do not think she intended to kill herself or to go hiking in the mountains and disappear. Sometimes when young kids get into trouble they do really stupid things out of hurt and end up getting themselves deeper into trouble. She had been drinking and her decision making was not the best. Out of desperation to get away from the scene she probably took a ride with the wrong person. He may have raped her and beat her until he thought she was dead and took her to a remote location (possibly 50 miles away from the scene) and got rid of her. The call Maura's boyfriend got was her trying to call for help. She was barely alive and freezing and there was barely enough cell phone service out there. The reason she can't be found is because she is out in a remote area or the mountains of New Hampshire somewhere. I would probably look in the Claremont, NH area. I wonder how far that is from the crime scene? I've had to work in Claremont, NH and the place gives me the creeps for some reason. And, there are other small little towns in that area you would never know existed where it would be easy to get rid of someone. The possibilities in this case are endless.

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  29. The most likely scenario is a male happened along in his car, spotted Maura and decided at that moment he was about to become a kidnapper and rapist. There aren't too many other plausible explanations.

    The State Police cadaver dog got a hit at the home of a local man but had no proof or evidence beyond that. He had a girlfriend who probably had some idea about the likelihood of her boyfriend being a killer. But the State Police never investigated that dogs hit properly.

    I say that's where Maura's body wound up and he's the murderer. His residence puts him near the crime scene and he's a male, giving him the motive of rape.

    Her remains won't be found because he disposed of them piecemeal. Hunters are very good at butchering. She met a fate no one should ever meet.

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    1. I had never heard, until now that the cadaver dogs got a hit at any home. I had only read that the scent faded/stopped up the road a ways leading many to believe that was where she was picked up by someone in a vehicle whether she knew them or they were a stranger.

      Anyone else heard of this?

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  30. I think perhaps I'm looking a bit too deeply in to this. I learned of Maura Murray disappearance on one of the shows on the ID channel called "Missing." It is extremely fascinating and heartbreaking. I hope my opinion does not come across as insensitive and is not intended to be.

    I am a recovering alcoholic. I was at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting the other night, and the woman who was speaking said something that really struck me about Ms. Murray's disappearance. The speak said, "I used to run on my college's track team, and was actually very good at it. I also liked to party, and my drinking was out of control. However, I denied that I had a problem and no one thought I had a problem because (she said this sacrcastically), seriously, you can't be an alcoholic if you're a runner..."

    Given the large quantity of alcohol Ms. Murray had purchased, she was either going to a party or drinking it by herself. I think Ms. Murray was (or is) a closet alcoholic who hid it well from her friends and family members. She also got in to a car accident a few days earlier. Was she intoxicated and was able to hide it from the police and her parents?

    She was looking at hotel rooms in Vermont shortly before she disappeared. In the book Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson tells a story in which he was on his way to play golf on Long Island, has a drink at a bar on the way there, and then ended up drinking for three days by himself in a motel room. I know it sounds strange, but this is what alcoholics do. Perhaps Ms. Murray was planning to party by herself for a little while?

    If she knew she had a problem drinking, perhaps she arranged to have a friend that no one knew about drive her to a large urban environment, like Boston or my hometown of New York City, where it is quite easy to simply disappear? She may have not been happy with her life, wanted to be completely independent so that she could drink freely, and simply wanted to disappear?

    Anyway, I truly apologize if this seems insensitive and far-fetched. I only throw it out there as a possibility.

    I pray she be found.

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  31. Maybe this has been explored elsewhere, but after re-watching the disappeared episode, it struck me that all they talk about finding in her car alcohol-wise is the damaged box of wine. Where did the vodka, baileys, and kaluha go?

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  32. The thing about the alcohol is this ( this came to me last night, and I thought about this last night...The alcohol is really strange if Maura bought and took it with her on her road trip..
    It is less strange if a college student was buying booze for a party..
    White Russians and Mudslides are things girls would drink, the booze makes more sense if Maura was buying for a party and dropped it off to someone.
    College guys drink beer and shots.. Girls drink Whit Russians..Are we sure Maura did not give that alcohol to someone else?

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  33. Are we sure Maura was driving the night of the first accident?..Was a police report really filed?
    Maura was on probation and would have avoided the police like the plague.

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  34. Are we absolutely sure Maura was by herself in that car that night?

    Can someone please explain why, if she had a cell phone, was Maura use a calling card?
    Using a calling card is a pain, it takes awhile to connect, you have to read and input the card number.
    If you are in any kind of trouble or distress, you would not use them.
    Are we sure Maura was alone that night?
    Maura dropped off all that alcohol to her friends for a party.

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    1. At that time cell phone coverage was spotty unless you were in a large city, unlimited plans didn't exist, and long distance and roaming charges were prohibitively expensive for college students. I'm a year older than Maura and I used both calling cards and a cell phone in college.

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  35. Did they drag the ponds in the area? whether she jumped in, fell in or was thrown in, she'd sink like a rock with a back pack full of booze.

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  36. I think the whole point is that she was abducted by a an unknown suspect. There was no history of her being overly intoxicated or suicidal. As I have posted previously I watched a Discovery program called "Disappeared" where they claimed a local man's home was searched and a cadaver dog gave a positive response in a closet in his house. The Law Enforcement authorities never found enough evidence to charge him but they suspect he was a very good suspect in her abduction.

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  37. The dogs got a hit on blood, could have been any blood. If it was a cadaver hitting on a dead body you can bet they had their probable cause. This is a broken string everyone tries to follow. I saw the same show 3 days ago and I don't even recall that statement from the show.

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  38. AFTER WATCHING THIS STORY ON NETFLIX MANY TIMES; AND READING NUMEROUS NEWS ARTICLES, AS WELL AS, POSTINGS ON THIS AND OTHER SITES, I BELIEVE MAURA MURRAY WAS A VERY TROUBLED YOUNG WOMAN WHO WAS ATTEMPTING TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM ALL THE STRESS IN HER LIFE: 1- SCHOOL, 2- 1ST CAR ACCIDENT & POSSIBLE DUI, 3- OVERBEARING FATHER, 4- CHEATING BOY FRIEND, 5- TROUBLES WITH THE LAW.
    SHE WAS A FUNCTIONAL ALCOHOLIC, WHO DRANK TO SUPPRESS AN OVERWHELMING FEAR OF FAILURE; AND HER THEFT OF CREDIT CARDS WAS A CRY FOR HELP. APPARENTLY, SHE WAS IN AN EMOTIONAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL, BUT WAS UNABLE, OR UNWILLING, TO ASK FOR HELP.
    THE 2ND ACCIDENT WAS THE LAST STRAW THAT PUT HER OVER THE EDGE. SHE HAD BEEN DRINKING & COULDN'T ACCEPT HELP FROM THE BUS DRIVER, (I TOO, THINK HE WAS SCARY) AND ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO POLICE! SHE COULD NOT GO BACK TO FACE THE CONSQUENCES.
    I BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE CAPABLE OF RUNNING FAR ENOUGH AND FAST ENOUGH, TO GET TO A PAY PHONE, AND STAY OUT OF SIGHT OF THE POLICE. WHEN SHE COULDN'T REACH HER BOY FRIEND; SHE CALLED SOMEONE OUTSIDE HER USUAL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS, WHO TOOK HER TO A BUS OR TRAIN STATION. AND, AFTER SO MANY YEARS, SHE IS TOO ASHAMED TO COME OUT OF HIDING.
    Q: DOES ANYONE NOW IF THERE IS AN EXXON STATION IN OR NEAR HAVERHILL?

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