Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Common Sense *UPDATE*

Think about all the 21-year-old young women you know. Would any of them really take a break from school and drive hundreds of miles into the country without telling a soul? I'm a man of probability. And the odds overwhelmingly suggest someone knew of Maura's plans. So why haven't they come forward?

*UPDATE*
I want to highlight this reader's comment. Sometimes we overlook the little details.

If she was simply going to drive north and walk off into the woods to commit suicide, why would she have called places to inquire about lodging and bring along a suitcase?

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  1. Afraid of implication?

    Needed Maura to disappear?

    Helped Maura disappear?

    Threatened by someone to not talk about the case?

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  2. Supported her reason/s to disappear and won't talk out of loyalty?

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  3. suicide comes to mind for why someone would leave school right at the beginning of a crucial semester and not tell anyone where they were going, driving a car that is suppossedly on its last legs over two and a half hours away from campus. GO back and look at her mapquest searches done the night before and day of that she disappeared. They are all locations where mouuntains and trails are located. Maura (being an avid mountain enhusiast) treated these kinds of places almost sacredly. A mountain area/hiking area would be a nice quiet and peaceful place to spend ones last moments on earth, especially if one is very familiar with the kind of territory and is comfortable around it.

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  4. hell, no! it is suspicious she disappeared under these circumstances, supposedly without telling a soul. i wasn't born yesterday.

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  5. YES, if you were only going for a couple of days to clear your head and you plan to be back Wednesday or Thursday you might just go off to play hooky for a few days alone. And you're going up to an area where you've vacationed almost every summer then you're comfortable with those surroundings. You're not going to bother all your gal-pals on the first day of the school week especially when the UMass Spring term had just started 2 weeks before. MM had her school books, the paperwork for the Hadley accident and some girl drinks on board.

    It would make more sense if you were running into the arms of another man for a brief lovers tryst. For comfort. But which man? A recent introduction, someone you met over the holidays or a stranger you encountered along the way? If there was to be a secret rendez-vous that person could very well be the perpetrator... not a fellow UMass student who probably would NOT be afraid to state that MM didn't show up at a meeting place on February 9th.

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    1. I agree. One thing to remember was that JR uncovered she may be pregnant. How does that fit in with this theory? Was she following 'him' up there and the man who was the father could not let it get out that it was his baby? A married man possibly and/or faculty at the school?

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    2. It's highly unlikely she was pg. she had contraceptive pills in her car. She was clever and a nursing student and it's almost impossible to mess up taking the pill correctly these days. If she wanted a baby she wouldnt be drinking. If she didn't want a baby and by some bizarre un likeliness her pill didn't work and she didn't want a baby then Amherst is as good a place as any to have an abortion. I seriously doubt a smart girl gets pg on accident these days if they're on the pill. Also why keep taking it if she was pg. I work in a doctors office and following an abortion or miscarriage women are not allowed to go straight back on the pill until they have a proper cycle - too much information. Sorry! Bottom line is that it's highly unlikely she was pg if she was in the pill and had been for some time.

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    3. I would assert that it is absolutely not impossible to "mess up taking the pill correctly these days" or that "smart girls" don't get pregnant on the pill. Not only is there a 1% chance of pregnancy when taken exactly by the directions (which means literally the exact time daily without any deviation) but most women will tell you that mistakes are made pretty frequently. And that is on top of the unavoidable percentage of ineffectiveness.

      In addition, just having birth control pills in her car doesn't mean that she is taking them at that exact moment. She may have just found out about her pregnancy (maybe she has just told her sister hence the crying phone call?) and that explains the internet searches as well (concern about her heavy drinkings affect on her fetus).

      Obviously none of us know for sure but I think pregnancy is an important possibility to explore.

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    4. I agree. I think the possibility of her being pregnant, possibly not by her boyfriend could be very plausible. I suspect the internet searches on alcohol and pregnancy were for her own information and not for School research. It would be very easy to find out what classes she was taking at the time and determine if alcohol and pregnancy were covered. Being a nurse, I can tell you unless she was in a Labor and Delivery rotation it is highly unlikely she would be researching it.
      I think it is also highly probable that she was meeting someone and that she could be off somewhere still alive. If you think about it, it is much easier for women in our society to disappear. She could be a stay at home mom, living in an isolated area with a man who knows all about her or nothing about her. There are lots of very remote areas in New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont. Also at that time Canada was very easy to cross into, not like today.
      LateNightRN

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    5. Re: The Pill. Maura may have been a smart girl, but she was also recklessly irresponsible at times. For example, it seems she frequently drove drunk, which has much worse potential consequences than missing a pill or two.

      It is also possible that she wasn't taking the pill consistently, but rather using it as an emergency contraceptive (i.e. taking multiple doses the morning after unprotected sex). The ingredients are the same as those in the Morning After Pill, after all. A nurse-in-training would know that well.

      Finally, Maura was probably bulimic. In theory, one could avoid the possibility of vomiting up one's pill by waiting a certain amount of time to purge after taking the pill; however, Maura doesn't strike me as that circumspect.

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  6. Because people in emotional distress often act erratically and do irrational things?

    Perhaps she was not concerned for her safety in the middle of the winter because she had in fact planned to harm herself?

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  7. Reinforcing this anecdotal probability are several other factors:

    (1) It is known that Maura was skittish about driving in the first place.
    (2) There has been some information out there in newspaper accounts that she had been getting rides rom friends because she was nervous about the condition of the Saturn. In any case, her and Fred were working on getting her a new car, indicating that it was not that reliable.
    (3) She took more booz than required to get a 21 year old, 110 pound girl drunk for more than one night.
    (4) The Londonderry ping at least suggests that someone may have been driving from the more populated areas of easter Massachusetts toward the area where she vanished in order to meet her.
    (5) Route 112 is the more dangerous (with twists turns and less light and being subject to ice more so) and slower way from Haverhill to either I-93 or Bartlett (I have driven both many times and you can ask any GPS) and everything in between on 112 is "local" in nature, like homes and residences dotting the forest/mountain area.

    As I see it, these factors move Maura off the anecdotal mean (i.e., what most 21 year old women would do) into a cohort off on the tail who are EXTREMELY unlikely to have taken this trip alone and without having someone to meet up with. It is almost impossible, in fact, to imagine Maura - in terms of what we know about her - to be undertaking a few days to get away from it all on the dark backroads of New Hampshire by herself at night.

    The probabilities, I agree, around the behavior of the average 21 year old girl any of us might know argue strongly that she was meeting someone. It is just that, beyond that - in my mind - when we consider how Maura was different than the average 21 year old, it becomes PROHIBITIVELY unlikely to think that she was just up there cruising around by herself at night.

    John Andrew Green

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  8. I would like to comment about the comment of anonymous 1/18 at 1:34 PM.

    Your perspective is interesting and well reasoned. Thank you for sharing it. I think, however, that I would like to challenge a couple points within it and I am interested to hear your response.

    First, I think that dying of exposure on a cold night in the mountains is not a very peaceful way to die at all. Having spent much time in my life hiking, including significant time in the white mountains and the Presidential Range, I can say dying in the mountains during winter is not as idyllic at it might seem. Moreover, my general knowledge about the psychology of suicide is that a young person attempting it very rarely wants to fade away anonymously. There is typically a gesture effect, in which the victim is in effect crying for help and wants to be seen, witnessed or saved. I wont bother summoning a citeable source for that, but I think it is pretty much common knowledge and in any case a lot of reading and personal experience in the area leads me to this personal opinion. Also, young people who kill themselves tend to do so in ways that are demonstrative either during or after the act. It tends to be a dramatic, less than private demonstration of self and one's troubles. Even if the act is done in private, young people tend to kill themselves in a manner so that they WILL be found. People like Amrbose Bierce or the middle aged man in financial ruin, on the other hand, are more likely - at least in my readings (and I am not doctor or expert) - to take their lives in anonymous, secretive ways in which they are never found. I think if Maura meant to kill herself she would have done so in a much more observable way.

    Second, I think it is a little bit of an assumption to say that Maura treated the mountains almost sacredly. Clearly, she spent a lot time in the area as a kid and had a lot of enjoyable experience hiking up there. But in terms of sacred places to go to die, I think it is a bit of an assumption that she viewed it that way.

    Finally, I also would reassert a point made by an earlier commentor on this same blog that it is hard to imagine a suicide plan in which the ingredients for mixed drinks are purchased. Whisky, maybe. Wine maybe. But mixing drinks while waiting to die of exposure or throw yourself off a cliff seems improbable.

    I mean no offense and I appreciated your post. And gosh, who knows? But I think I am strongly persuaded that she was not up there to kill herself. I wonder what you think upon considering my contributions.

    Best regards ~ John Andrew Green

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  9. If there is no trail based on her cell usage or her email, then the evidence seems to indicate that she did indeed plan such a trip--whether anyone else thinks it is likely or not. I am reminded of the Chandra Levy case, in which many, including those in law enforcement, thought that Chandra had done an internet search on a site in Rock Creek park in order to meet a lover. It turns out that she wanted to go jogging, by herself, and then of course was in the wrong place at the wrong time and became a murder victim of a serial rapist.

    We look for these explanations because it is so human to resist the idea that bad things can happen to people because they are unlucky, in the wrong place, encounter the wrong person. It's a lot easier to blame the people we can see.

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  10. Interesting point! In your research did you ever find instances of doing doing things without telling others, or was she the type of person who confided in friends or family her plans?
    I thought I read that she was a private person.
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    1. I had a very similar personality to Maura's at 21, at least the wanderlust/active hiker/mountain lover part of it. I frequently took off without telling anybody on road trips. Granted, I am male, but I don't have a problem believing Maura did the same. So much of her deal with the White Mountains reminds me of my own love affair with the Adirondacks and Catskills, and the many road trips I'd take alone to clear my head. It just seems perfectly believable to me.

      What I don't get about the theory of meeting somebody, or folks driving together in tandem, is the near absence of a cell record. Besides the one ping, there's nothing, and it's really hard for me to reconcile that with any kind of a rendezvous. To meet somebody in a faraway place, you have to plan a meeting and confirm that they're going to show up before you drive hundreds of miles. Unless the plan was to disappear forever, there would have been no need for a second cell phone or any other covering of tracks. It just seems to me if a meeting was planned, there'd be more of a trail to indicate that.

      Likewise I have a problem buying the theory of someone that she knew picking her up at the scene...the only explanation that I've heard where that would make sense is if she was following somebody and the person turned around. That I would be prepared to buy -- but it still means Maura hooked up with them without calling them in advance to make the meeting happen.

      I just don't see how you get the meeting without the second cell phone, or a deliberate attempt to keep it off the books by calling on a pay phone. And if you have that, then you have to conclude Maura was planning to disappear permanently. Otherwise there's no reason to go through the inconvenience of not using the cell phone to set up and confirm the rendezvous.

      One theory that DOES make sense to me is if Maura actually did leave the scene and book down the road. I've actually been in a similar situation to Maura's twice...once when I was 19 and once when I was 42. Both times, I was in a situation where I could not use my car and I was looking at an awkward police situation if I stuck around. Both times, my instinct was to take off. The situation when I was 19 is relevant because I had accidentally driven my car off the road into a snowbank while it was full of booze we'd smuggled in from Vermont. My friend and I were so panicked that we nearly told two locals who miraculously showed up with a towbar two minutes later that we were fine and didn't need help. It was only after they went "are you SURE?" that we realized that we'd just gotten a get out of jail free car and let them pull us out.

      I think about that moment a lot when I think about Maura's disappearance. The dumped liquor in the snow tells me the first thing on her mind was beating a DUI rap. And if she's like I was, the second thing on her mind is "I'm young, I'm strong, I can run off and just hang around until morning, show up, get the car, and everything'll be cool." In that frame of mind, I can see her refusing Bruce Atwood's or anyone else's help.

      Now if the sighting later that night five miles away was correct, then I can see a completely different state of mind taking over. Now she's cold, she's sweaty, she's sobering up, and she's beginning to be very, very tired and there's no town or anyplace to rest in sight. In THAT situation I could see Maura then taking a ride where a couple hours of later she would have refused it. In fact, I would be absolutely convinced that's what happened were it not for the absence of footprints. I confess I find that baffling. If I were Maura, I would have stuck as close to the road as possible, dodging out of sight when cars came. But the cops looked for that, and saw no sign that's what she had done. Still, if I had to bet, that's the scenario that makes the most sense to me.

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    2. Enjoyed your take on things Adam, especially from your perspective as a jogger.

      My wife and I in our younger years would jog/run many winter nights...

      MM was a runner, so thinking about her making a run for it on that night:

      The roads had just been plowed, there was little to no light to see. I think about running on that surface with most like there being stones kicked up by the snow plows, pot holes covered by slush that freezing, even black ice - seems so easy to twist an angle.
      (The picture background on this blog here shows the road after snow plowing, but that's during the day. Imagine in when it's pitch black night!)

      Also, If I was going to run, I would definitely not run toward the black forest abyss; instead, I would go back the other way, over roads I just driven over toward any place I might have seen where I could hideout overnight.

      What do you think?
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    3. Adam: I used to be a runner too and what you described is almost exactly what I suspect happened (and I have followed Maura's case for quite some time), although I wish with all my heart she in fact managed to start a new life somewhere else.

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  11. I don't know how her dorm was set up, but when I was in college, there were not that many people who had "single" rooms (didn't have a room mate). If this was not the norm on campus, maybe she would be a more private person and go away on a trip by herself. I think she was going to meet someone though. Could she have met someone on the internet or instant messenger and then went to meet them in person? I used to do that all the time in college. I traveled out of state before when I was her age to meet guys I met on the internet. (I know, probably not the smartest thing to do!)The people I met were from other colleges.

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  12. Common sense suggests to me that maybe she was drunk and went the wrong way on 112 especially when you look at where Stowe and Burlington are on a map.
    Common sense also makes me think about when the bus driver talked to her on the side of the road. She might not have seemed intoxicated but if that wine splattered all over the car, she certainly should have smelled intoxicated.
    Common sense also makes me think about a potential bus question. If the bus driver came around the corner and saw this accident and wanted to stop to help, one question that certainly would be important is whether the bus driver's lights were on. What witnesses saw the bus driver's lights on? Buses are fitted with strobes and emergency lights, etc so certainly somebody saw all that stuff flashing in the roadway. Why would a bus driver stop, leaving his bus in the way of other potential vehicles, and not turn on all of his lights?

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    1. If she was going to Stowe or Burlington, she was lost way before she got to 112. It would have been much quicker (particularly in the winter) to take I-89 up to those areas. Having been in that area several times, the intersection of 89 and 91 is a hard one to miss--even for a drunk person.

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  13. Replying to John Andrew Green.

    I do think there were some demonstrative signs she left behind like the note (not a suicide note but rather a telling note about her relationship with billy) that was found on top of her packed boxes stacked on her bed in her dorm room prior to her departure.

    I would also argue that things such as maura getting her father's accident forms from her first wreck and returning scrubs to a fellow nursing student (prior to her departure) and packing up her dorm before then proceeding on her trip, wrecking, but then bothering to take the time to lock her car and leave her fathers accident forms out in the open, all fit in the realm of someone tying up loose ends before ???

    Her mapquest searches done the night before she disappeared and the day of that she disappeared (Some map directions were found in her car) were to the following locations (Berkshires, White Mountains, Burlington vermont) anyone familiar with those areas see a common theme ... All have access to mountain/hiking. Also vermont and the white mountains are quite a distance from one another ... so if she was meeting someone on a planned trip, wouldn't she have the location locked down prior to a few hours before departing?

    I will go back to what her father has said, whether or not he expected his kids to believe him and take him seriously or not. He had told all his kids that when he began to feel worthless in life, that he would head for the mountains and drink himself to death. These aren't just people (Maura and her father Fred) that liked to vacation and hang out near mountains. these were people very gung-ho about taking on mountains and reaching the top and celebrating their accomplishment. They were very active (attacking mountains if you will) in the months leading up to Maura's disapperance, They were even at the white mountains (Same place she was headed when wrecked and went missing) just a few months earlier. She would be comfortable and familiar in that environment.

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    1. Thanks for your articulate reply. I am not sure that you and I see the same theories on the same facts, but I much appreciate your perspective.

      I did not know about Fred's comment about drinking himself to death. That is quite poignant. When did he say it? Before or after Maura disappeared?

      I am very familiar with the area where Maura disappeared. And I have hiked, camped and scaled both challenging untouched wilderness terrain and significant vertical climbs, including ones that Maura herself did throughout New Hampshire and also in Vermont and Maine. My interpretation, in this context, on the words alone that Fred said make me think that he would have brought a tent or meant that he would do it in a remote cabin. Night time in the mountains and backwoods, in the winter at a northern latituded is simply not a feasible place to drink yourself to death without shelter, if serenity is what you are after. It is a way suffer mercilessly, die slowly and probably - after a time - be unable to hold down the very alcohol you are tyring to kill youself with thanks to hypothermia, which the alcohol would accelerate. I can tell you that I nearly lost my life after f_____ a hike once and having to back track 20 miles for which I was unprepared, overnight and with provisions (and during which trek I fell into a river). It was hellish. Your mind beings to play frightening tricks on you, as when my headlamp casting shadows downward on a steep slope caused me to think that these two rapid moving shadows were black bear cubs. It is also dead black dark night. It is unimaginable to me that someone who knew the back country and mountains would try to drink themselves to death in the absence of shelter, beginning in th nighttime. There is just no way she left the car and hiked at night toward such a purpose, in my view.

      For this reason, I have trouble believing that - even if she started out to kill herself that way (and I find your reasoning as persuasive as my own with regard to her intent in starting out from UMASS, even though we reach different conclusion) - that suicide was her fate. She may have been headed to a resort to drink herself to death. Okay, I can accept that as a possibility based on your intuiting of the matter. But after the crash, I have trouble that she ventured into the woods to so execute this plan, in particular because she knows the back country and would likely have known what I know about how utterly not peaceful and abusively unpleasant that would be. ~John Green

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  14. I think she was shaken by her first accident and wanted to be by herself. She didn't want to talk to anyone. This is why her disappearance is a mystery. She told no one.

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  15. I've been fascinated by this case for a while, especially as I went to college in NH at the time that it happened. I assume that no one came forward from Bartlett or any other area saying they had a reservation for someone who never arrived that night. This may sound dumb but how likely would it have been for Maura to find a place to stay late at night in that area? Are there motels that would be open? If not, then where on earth did she plan on staying or was she always planning on the accident being the end of the journey?

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    1. My recollection of the area is that the closest lodgings are in Woodsville, about 5-6 miles west of the crash site (i.e., back from the direction she was coming from), moving west on 112 and then making a left on US302. In the direction that Maura's scent (as detected by tracking dogs) led (i.e., east) the next lodging is not until you approach the North Woodstock, Lincoln area, which is about 15-20 miles east. In between, there is not much on that stretch of road except occasional houses here and there. The most dense concentration of population, in fact is right there where she crashed as there is a significant neighborhood of sorts on these looping on dirt roads just to the west of the crash site and south of 112. As you approach Lincoln, you start to come across some inns and bed & breakfasts. I don't recall a resort or inn along that stretch prior to the vicinity of Lincoln, although my recollection may not be complete. ~John Andrew Green

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  16. After reading the thoughtful comments above one thing occurred to me. Like a eureka moment I thought YES, a payphone. Not many around any longer, but in 2004 there were still a fair bit of them around at gas stations and what not. If that payphone that she used had statements as they all do, and Billy was able to view those statements in any way then I do think that perhaps she used a payphone to call whoever she was meeting. That would make complete sense. And of course there wouldn't be a record or a trail, only on the other person's phone and of course we don't know who that is. She left the note on top of the boxes, the e-mail about Billy cheating, she did the pregnancy search, she left and she left with things packed up. Yes, she might have just been getting away from it all, but I do think she was meeting someone up there. Could she have been pregnant and carrying Billy's baby and then found out about the cheating and left that e-mail out. She could have already have been involved with someone else at that point and went up to NH to talk about stuff, get away, decide what to do at that point? Maybe Fred knew about a lot of this and doesn't really think it has anything to do with her disappearance. Just some thoughts.

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    1. Well if Mr Renner's interview with the running coach is true then any number of men could have been a potential father if she was pregnant! It would be scary to be pregnant as a student even if her long term boyfriend was the father but imagine how scary it would be if you had no idea who the father was?? Now that's a scary place. Also if she hasn't seen her boyfriend in a while the dates wouldn't add up so it could be obvious that it wasn't his?

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  17. Anonymous Wrote:
    "Now if the sighting later that night five miles away was correct..."

    Many learned observers over the past 8 years, believe that sighting is pure horse puckey. Not that RF's alibi hasn't been checked out by LE, it's just that the magically, mystical sighting 3 months later after you were interviewed 2-3 within days after MM's disappearance and recalled nothing? Doesn't add up.

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  18. If she was simply going to drive north and walk off into the woods to commit suicide, why would she have called places to inquire about lodging and bring along a suitcase?

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  19. We already know she was secretive. Even her best friend didn't know about her sleeping around. So maybe she did go without telling anyone. She wanted to make sure no one tried to stop her

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  20. I wish some people who post comments on here, actually did their homework and research like some of us do, who are following this blog that Mr Renner keeps updated. If you were to read interviews giving by many people who knew Maura, even if you were to have just watched the ID show which featured Maura, you would have learned that Maura was an introvert, and tended to do things without exactly telling anyone. Sharon Rausch pointed out that Maura was a multifaceted person. One of Maura's best friends had also said that It wasn't unusual for Maura to up and leave and go somewhere, without telling anyone. As an example, Liz had pointed out that while they were in high school, Maura had upped and left for a few days, and went to Boston by herself. No one knew she was going there.

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    1. The story grows by the day. You are very misquoting hearsay....which means at least several levels of misinformation. The version I "heard" was that she went to Boston for a day....not several days. It's expensive to take play days when you are a student without financial resources.
      I wonder how many introverts flirt excessively?

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    2. I'm not sure what introverts who flirt 'excessively' have really anything to do with her disappearance. That also sounds like your own personal opinion and definition of what 'excessively' is. She was not in college when she went to Boston, she was in high school.

      And I'm more than confident, that if you researched interviews by people who actually knew her, that you would find the majority of these people to label her as being an introvert.

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  21. I still have a hard time believing that Maura was meeting up with someone in NH or even VT. There was nothing found on any phone bill, that we know of, that suggested this, neither was there nothing discovered on her computer.. emails.. IMs... nothing. Some of you point out that she was secretly seeing some other man. While this may be true, but any of us who have been in long distance relationships ( me included) now its a lot easier just to break up with someone who lives halfway to the other side of the country than to stay with them, and also see some other man.. i think this is highly unlikely, especially with someone like Maura's schedule.. full time nursing student, worked two jobs, clinicals, a lot of homework, running 5 miles everyday, flying out to see Billy many states away when she could..and seeing her father when she could. I highly, highly, highly doubt there was another man in her life.. I highly doubt it. Especially when Billy and her had plans of her moving to Oklahoma that summer and she had already applied and was accepted for an intern job through a hospital.

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  22. Actually, the trip to Boston was only for the afternoon. And there were people who knew where she was going.

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    1. When i had watched the 'miles from nowhere' segment on the ID discovery show on Netflix, when Her friend Liz, described the time Maura went to Boston.. I was under the impression that Liz had said she just upped and left and didn't tell anyone about it, until she came back.

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  23. If we assume that she wasn't pregnant and I think that's a reasonable assumption following the comments of 08.03am above then maybe one of her friends was in trouble? Maybe she was heading somewhere to help a girlfriend? Maybe this is what upset her? Perhaps a close friend was attacked or was pregnant by an unsuitable person?

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    1. Didn't Maura's supervisor say that after receiving the upsetting call, Maura looked shaken and uttered the words "my sister"? Could this - if your theory is correct - suggest that the person in trouble was her sister? ~ John Green

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    2. I'm current a nursing student who will be graduating this summer. I think the pregnancy searches on her computer mean nothing. If she were close to graduation as they say, she would have either been in or just finished maternal newborn classes. In my program it is the second to last semester. If I were to go missing right now, you would assume from my computer history that not only was I worried about fetal alcohol syndrome and spontaneous abortions, but that I probably was concerned with having every std known to man.

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  24. I'm still stuck on the rag in the tailpipe.

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  25. I think that the one and only thing I know about Maura, having been immersed in her case for quite some time now, is that she of all people was someone who knew how to keep her own counsel.

    John Avellar

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  26. After reading all the great comments above and being reminded once again (I had forgotten) that she had done pregnancy related searches...I had a thought. Didn't she also search about drinking relating to "losing" a fetus? What if she was planning on an abortion? This would be something she would obviously want to keep quiet. Also, if she had made any Dr. appointments, are they precluded from releasing that information to the public? There are probably holes in this theory, but right now I can't think of any...

    Doesn't explain her disappearance, but does explain why she was heading up there without telling anyone.

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    1. Really interesting thought. It would also explain why she would need to take a few days off and why she would send the "family emergency" email to her professors. 5t really does feel like it fits.

      Now, to CMO's point, it doesn't explain her disappearance but it could give an answer to some of the more baffling questions... and a new list of suspects.

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  27. Beth,

    I have to agree with you. That rag in the tailpipe bugs me no end...

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    1. Hello to anonymous 1/19.12 @1:41 an Beth.

      The rag in the tail pipe is also for me a real wild card. Many thesis about what was going on that night seem sensible and then the rag in the tail pipe curve ball simply confounds.

      For reference, I think I have poked around and discovered a few facts about a rag in a tail pipe:

      (1) If it hangs down, it could suggest a car that recently had been towed. In a pinch, the rag is hung out of a tail pipe at night as a signal to a driver approaching from the rear that the car is being towed.

      (2) I believe that either somewhere on this forum or in one of the scores of news articles I have read (but NOT, rest assured, on one of those insane unmoderated pages where literally anything an be said - e.g., "did UMASS researchers kill Maura Murray") there was someone who stated that the rag was not hanging down but instead stuffed up into the tail pipe.

      (3) If you try to start a car with a rag in the tail pipe, it probably wont start and it might backfire.

      (4) If it does start, it will stall before too long.

      (5) As such, as I have reasoned in another post, someone with access to Maura's trunk (the rag was from her roadside kit) did not want that car to start or go very far. It is possible that Maura or someone put it there so that the car would not get stolen. But that seems unlikely and strange. On the other hand, the alternative is that she perhaps met someone in Woodsville who wanted her to not be able to start her car or for it to stall. In other words, I believe that more likely than not there is nefarious significance to the rag in the tailpipe.

      (6) If a car stalls, you lose power steering and in some cars power breaks. You can still manage the car, but it might take a second or two to adjust. If Maura's car stalled approaching that curve, it could explain her losing control of it and hitting the tree.

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    2. The rag in the tail pipe could easily be the murder weapon. And that's what I think law enforcement thinks.

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    3. You really have to tightly shove a rag into a tailpipe to get it to even stay. I tried it to see what my 2005 Impala would do. I put it up there pretty snugly and drove down a stretch of road about 45 mph average for about 5 miles and it fell out. I didn't force it tightly, but it was big enough to stay up there by itself...still came out.

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    4. 1/21/12 @11:56.

      That is a good catch. I had not thought of that. It makes sense. Presumably, when done for towing reasons, duct tape or something is used to keep it on the tail pipe. I think it was a member of LE (and I think it is on this blog somewhere) that said the the rag "was stuffed up there pretty good" or something like that. But that would eliminate towing and point back to the difficulties of starting a car and/or not stalling with the exhaust pipe well obstructed. But your experience would suggest that the rag got into the tail pipe after the accident as it most likely would have fallen out before. ~ John Green

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    5. AnonymousJan 21, 2012 11:56 PM Makes a very good point. Chances are if she was driving with the rag in the tailpipe, it would be stuffed too far up (unless 'taped') the pipe for anyone to just notice it. It was probably placed there after the car was wrecked - either for visibility purposes, towing purposes, or, less likely, I believe - to commit suicide.

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  28. I have been the one bringing up the suicide theory, because I truly believe it.

    Now I have never believed that Maura just randomly headed for the mountains and was going to walk out of her car and then walk to a trail and off herself.

    I have always felt (with her bringing very personal and sentimental items along on her mystery trip) that there was suppose to be a reflective period, (like one night spent at a hotel) and maybe even an option made by her to back out of suicide after she gathered her thoughts.

    But the second wreck, (I believe to be unplanned) changed her plans and maybe even expedited a decision by her about her life.

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  29. Yes... She could still fantasize about committing suicide in the mountains... Doesn't mean that she would actually entertain the idea.

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  30. (PART1) I have followed the facts of this case very closely for a few years now and here's just another guy's thoughts as to what happened.
    I do not believe she was intending to meet someone else. If MM was "sloppy" enough to leave behind internet searches of destinations and make phone calls regarding rentals, why not a single piece of evidence showing another person was involved with her trip to NH? I believe the Londonderry ping may have been merely a return call regarding one of her rental inquiries. I also don't think she was planning to disappear and relocate for the same reasons. Why not a single shred of evidence? This was too hastily planned for her to leave voluntarily without a trace.
    I know we might not think leaving alone for NH with an unreliable car in the middle of winter is what most normal 21 year-olds would do, but clearly we are dealing with someone who was in the midst of some inner turmoil, who perhaps felt the walls closings in on her and she just needed to get away. People in her situation aren't always thinking or acting rationally. They may simply burst into tears at times for no apparent reason (which is what I think happened the night she was walked home from work). Or maybe they drive drunk in the wee hours of the morning to their father's hotel room.
    I think MM wanted to escape life when she hastily made plans to go north. I don't think even she knew what would happen once she got there. Maybe a few days of quiet and some drinks would ease the pain and motivate her to return to life back at UMASS. Or maybe if things didn't improve, she would embark on something much worse. I think possible plans for suicide, even if remote, led her to prepare her dorm room for someone else to see had she gone through with it. Otherwise she'd return back to school in a few days, with no one ever knowing her intentions. In the end I don't think she made any solid plans for lodging, but rather would probably have found some cheap motel in the North Conway area....

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  31. (PART 2) ....She's on her way to her destination and then the accident occurs. Put yourself in her mind at that very moment, quite probably intoxicated and potentially minutes away from a DUI arrest. Any planning she did over the past day or so is out the window. Panic hits. She's definitely not thinking rationally at this point. Obviously she doesn't want BA to call the police. I believe she herself stuffed the rag in the tailpipe in a futile attempt to commit suicide on the spot. She must have quickly realized it wasn't going to work and then it was on to Plan B.....whatever that was. I think when faced with the realization that a potential suicide could scale down search efforts, perhaps Fred lied about the rag to deflect attention away from talk of suicide.
    What happened after this point could very well be a completely unrelated mystery to why she was there in the first place. Despite criticisms about the investigation, I think that if she froze to death close by the accident scene (such as hiding behind a shed until morning), she would have been found. For the longest time I believed she ran a great distance away and then perished somewhere in the woods far from where was searched. However, despite the fact that I feel she would have been fit to run many miles at this point, how was she not seen by anyone aside from a shaky sighting "remembered" weeks later? With snow banks on each side of the road, each and every passing car would have seen her. It wasn't like it was 3AM. I assume there is some local traffic on those roads at that hour. Would she have jumped the bank and hid in the snow each time she saw an approaching headlight? I guess I just never thought this out before, because now I can't imagine her running very far on the roads without some passerby calling in a few days after the story gained publicity saying they had seen her running down the street. People would have definitely remembered that.
    This leads to my current theory that she either met harm at a house close to the crash site or she did take a ride from a stranger who later caused her harm. While the point is well taken that it would be tremendous odds for a serial killer to be passing by at the very moment she crashed, don't discount the idea that perhaps she was spotted at a stop along the way (gas station, liquor store, rest area, etc) and that person was following behind unbeknownst to her. Her crash might have been their lucky day and then they'd be more than happy to offer up a ride.

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    1. You have just said all the things that i have thought for a long time. I live in Ireland so have no idea what the terrain is like in that area but have always wondered if it was possible for Maura to get much further on foot than anyone imagined and then succumbed to the elements and that is why she has never been found.

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    2. Yes I agree with you here. Especially your description of Maura's state of mind at the time.
      I suffer from depression myself and have often thought of suicide.
      Maura could have been seriously thinking about it and at the same time trying to fight the feeling off.
      Mentally this is a very difficult place to be . In fact it is more than just "very difficult", the inner turmoil is indescribable really.
      When I was younger I remember writing suicide notes and hiding them in drawers all over the house, so that if one day I did do it on the spur of the moment at least my family would find the notes.
      Sorry for being so depressing, just trying to imagine how Maura could have been feeling at the time.
      Maybe if Maura had not had this second car crash she would have changed her mind and went back home after a few days, thus avoiding either suicide or abduction, and no one would have been any the wiser.

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  32. I've just recently started following Maura's disappearance, so my apologies if I am a bit behind those of you whom have followed for years. And much kuddos to you,by the way! A few thoughts I am having....

    1. I def feel like Maura had a seperate personality to her existance. what I mean by that is that while she was def a high achiever,I think at times it was very stressful for her and she had to have an outlet.Not that this is a bad thing but I feel that she probably kept that part of herself secret as to not let those people down in her life that meant so much to her.

    2. The phone call. I do think that the phone call to her sister could have been the culprit for her being so upset. I feel like she probably was sitting there at the desk brewing and upset all the way up to her supervisor seing her at 1 am. Even though,as humans, we would all like to know what that conversation was about,it truly could have been a personal matter between the two of them that had no real bearing on her disappearance.

    3. I have seen discussion about why she wasn't arrested for DWI on the night/early morning she wrecked her father's car. I don't think she was drunk. I just can't see the cops letting that one slip through the cracks. Not with and accident that caused such extensivse damage.

    4. Was she meeting someone for her trip? I don't think so here either. There def would have been record of conversations between the two. I know that Billy's family paid for her cell phone. The only other option I can think of is that maybe she had a seperate phone in her name only. One that she would have used to make phone calls that she would not want Billy and his family knowing about. It would be interesting to know if the man she had a relationship with (track coach?),whether she used the cell phone under Billy's plan or if it was a different one. If it was the same one then that would tell me she wasn't too worried about being concealed. If it was a different number...well, that opens a new can of worms.

    5. The red truck seen at the crash site. How extensively was this looked at? Was there a truck of that discription known in the area?

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    1. 2. The phone records show a call from the New City number at 12:07AM, which we now know to be Billy. This is the call that upset her.

      4. When I was in college, we had land lines in our dorm. I think she was communicating that way and in person.

      5. Yes yes yes! Please look at the red truck Mr. Renner!

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  33. yep, it's me suicide theory guy again.

    Instead of focusing on why I keep coming to suicide concerning Maura, I want to begin focusing on other theories.

    The theory about her "meeting someone" was heightened when he heard from James about this Londenberry Ping thing.

    But, the fact that I own and still use the same exact cell phone (style brand and model) that Maura had back in 2004, I have learned after researching that this particular phone pings the second it is turned on. It doesn't have to be in use or someone else calling it, just turned on and it will ping to the nearest cell tower. All the londonberry ping tells me is that Maura was in the area of londonberry when she momentarily turned her cell phone on (likely to check messages) as she was heading up north. It is always been assumed by those of us looking into her investigation that she took I-91 up to the white mountain area, because that is the logical route leaving from UMASS, but one could also take I-93 north and you would drive past the londonberry area if you did that. The fact that her phone pinged there and nowhere else tells me that she had her phone off through much of her drive and that she just turned it on briefly to check for messages as she was heading up I-93.

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    1. Hello anonmoys 1.20.2012 at 2:33.

      I would like to point out something for your consideration. As you know, the issue with the Londonderry ping is not the fact that it pinged, but instead the fact that the particular tower in question transmitted that ping, which means the device that pinged it was within 20 miles of Londonderry. Unless she was driving at wildly high speeds - Maura was not within 20 miles of the tower at the time of the ping. I recognize this firsthand, based on my knowledge of the area. But if you don't believe me, do an experiment. If you Google Map your thesis, to minimize the distance/time from Amherst to Londerry, then on to the accident site on 112 HEADING EAST, it comes out to 4 hours and 29 minutes. If you try to shorten the distance by placing her location 20 miles away from Londonderry (maybe toward the east or south), the trip becomes longer because that necessitates driving on slower roads than I-93. In that context, recall that Maura's departure time from Amherst most likely was between 4:00 and 4:30. Maura sent the email with the phony information about the death in the family at around 4:00 and a dorm mate saw her leaving around that time. She was also on the ATM camera around that time, but I don't know the exact time she was shown on that tape. I think there is also a liquor store receipt in evidence, but I cannot remember its time. But just on this alone, the earliest she could possibly have departed Amherst was 3:30 and it is compellingly more likely that she left after 4. But for now, lets go with that improbable earliest possible start time. To go from Amherst to Londonderry to then be heading EAST on 112 takes 4 hours and 29 minutes, at the shortest route. The only way to shorten that is to assume that her destination was near the crash site and she actually took 112 west to that destination and was on her way back when she crashed, but this only saves a few minutes, does not account for time she spent at whatever her destination was, and it raises the puzzling question of why she would also return via I-93 when I-91 is right there and would be much shorter. So, using the 4 hour and 29 minute figure, and the improbably early starting time of 3:30, she does not arrive at the scene until the brink of 8:00 p.m. sharp. The police dispatch - spurred by Butch's call - , however, was issued at 7:29 pm. This means that Maura crashed a few minutes (maybe as much as 15 minutes) prior to that. (Butch had to approach her, retreat, go home and then call the police. This took at least a few minutes and maybe more than 10. But for now, lets take the 7:29 time as a proxy for the crash time, although it is probably unrealistically the latest possible crash time. Doing some math, this would mean that if Maura took I-93, she averaged 11% faster than the posted speed limit (30 minutes divided by 4 hours and 29 minutes) for over 4 hours, including during a heavy traffic flow time as Boston and Boston north commuters were heading home into southern New Hampshire on I-93 (lots of people do it because of the tax advantages, including many people I used to work with in my office in Arlington, MA). Now, if you use the more likely times of after 4:15 pm departing Amherst and about 7:15 for the crash, then she would be driving more like 50% faster than the posted speed limit, constantly, for the entire trip, if she took I-93. If you think that chartering a northeasterly course on less travelled roads from Amherst toward Londonderry or Nashua resolves this, you can easily use Google maps or any GPS program to see that such a course would actually make the trip to within 20 miles of Londonderry and thence onto the crash site take even longer. Simply put, Maura did not take I-93. It is as a solid a conclusion as the facts on which that reasoning is based, along with a more than reasonable assumption that she was not driving wildly in excess of the speed limit (i.e., 90 miles per hour). Best regards, John Andrew Green.

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    2. Oh, an the other thing I wanted to point out was that there are lots and lots of other reasons to think Maura was meeting someone. I and others have written about them on this blog so I wont repeat them. With that in mind, I would like to say that while I am interested in your suicide theories (although I don't subscribe to them), it seems to me you are being as dismissive toward the "meeting someone" theory as you seem to feel folks are being of your suicide theory. Respectfully, John A. Green

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    3. TO anyone who read the above post, another poster corrected some incorrect departure time assumptions I have made. Based on them, I did a really pinpoint analysis using Google Maps and have concluded that - though not probable - it is at least possible that Maura's device registered the Londonderry Ping. I have posted about it later on this thread. My apologies for my mistaken assumptions and erroneous black/white conclusion above. In my judgment now, it was in error. ~ John Green

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    4. Well, I did write a correction to my above mistaken conclusion. Based on some Google maps based research and pretty good knowledge of New England highways, biways and cities, I concluded that - just as another poster suspected - it is at last possible that Maura passed within 20 miles of Londonderry en route to Manchester, within the known time frame between her departure from UMASS and the accident on 112. I put a good deal of work into that analysis and - for whatever reason - James decided to not post it. I scrutinized it closely and it does not violate any of James terms for posting on this blog. While I will concede that he may have had good reasons that are not evident to me for not posting it, that is arbitrary and ad hoc and puts participators on this blog - which remember was set up by James to help in - in the position of potentially wasting their time. I thus won't be posting any more comments here. Doubtful that James will post this message either, but he should because it too violates none of his standards for acceptable posts. ~ J. Green

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    5. J. Green: Your post was about 5,000 words. Way too long. Please keep your responses succinct. This is fine. But I can't have people posting novellas. No offense. But you can say what you need to say in fewer words.

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  34. I agree with some of the other posters... to be brief, I believe that Maura was very troubled, ran into more trouble and then committed suicide. I do not believe she planned to meet anyone. Nor do I think she ran into foul play in those few moments. What are the probabilities of those two things? Does not make sense to me.

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    1. Hello anonymous 1/20/12 @ 4:38.

      Your scenario makes sense, although it leaves some knowns unresolved. But it makes sense and it very well could be the answer. I would say odds are her body would have surfaced by now, but who can say?

      I just want to point out some statistical reasoning. Discounting the possibility that someone who has gone mysteriously missing was a victim of a killer, based on slim odds, is a flawed reasoning. The very unlikely already happened to Maura when she went missing. A very very very low percentage of humans in the U.S. go missing and are not found in the first few weeks. A very high percentage of them (particularly women) are victims of foul play. Thus the probability pie you are slicing is not that it was "unlikely among all people" that she met with foul play, but instead, "unlikely among a particular cohort" that she did, with that cohort being the people who already have defied the odds by going missing for a long period of time. You see what I mean? The odds are low for the random woman driving down 112, but not really that low for the one that went missing mysteriously. She already crossed the event horizon into the realm of the unlikely an among those who have so crossed, death by foul play is not at all unlikely. ~ John Green

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    2. John Green, I agree 100% with your reasoning. It's like saying someone is statistically unlikely to do in a plane crash. That is true; however, if YOUR plane crashes, does that statistic mean that you are unlikely to die?

      Context matters. Maura went missing, and as far as we know was never seen again. This makes foul play a very possible (if not likely) scenario.

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  35. Is there any evidence that Maura may have been forced off the road? As in, some idiot tailgating too close caused her to skid, and then the other driver "helpfully" returned to offer her a ride?

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  36. A great many 21 year old women would take a bit of a break without telling a soul if that's what they felt inclined to do. It's perfectly reasonable for an adult to do things independently of their friends, family and lovers.

    Furthermore, if that break seemed important because you were in a bit of a mess, it's obviously going to be easier not to say anything than to risk turning into a quivering wreck.

    I have no idea what happened to this poor young woman but, were she genuinely suicidal, the overwhelming likelihood is that she wouldn't tell a soul. if you were determined to end your life you'd hardly give someone the means of interfering with your plans, would you?

    Also, a significant number of suicides book hotel rooms to do the deed. I imagine they don't want to inflict the horror of being found on people they care for. It's entirely plausible that she planned an overdose away from those she knew but had to drum up a plan B when mishap upset her travel plans.

    I'm not saying this is the case but my speculations and musings are no more or less valid than Mr Renner's. His are not backed up by any evidence either and, in this case, seem based on inaccurate cliches about girls and women that paint us all as gossiping, gushing, blabber-mouths who chat endlessly to anyone about everything and like nothing better than shoes and kittens.

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  37. In regards to the suicide speculation...If she committed suicide, why hasn't her body been found? Or any trace evidence at all?
    It seems odd that law enforcement have not found anything of hers by now if she simply perished in the woods while intoxicated.
    I think that's because someone went to great lengths to make sure she is not found.

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    1. Maybe her body shows the way she died, and would be a very big clue as to who did it. Like if she had chemicals on her mouth, and the police have them on the rag that was stuffed in the exhaust pipe.

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  38. To the poster who lives in Ireland: Please contact me directly at becarriedaway@hotmail.com I have a favor to ask.
    -James Renner

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  39. Just because someone is missing and not been found does not mean that suicide did not take place.

    Fact - Maura left the scene of the crime in some way in a short amount of time and has not been found since.

    There is nothing to indicate she did not commit suicide somewhere. There is A LOT to indicate that she was very troubled, emotionally disturbed and planning to get away. What possibly would indicate someone else was involved? There is plenty to indicate that Maura solely was running from something - and to that point, whether suicide or starting a new life - she has disappeared.

    I find foul play to be a real stretch given the other facts.

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    1. I disagree with this. There are very compelling reasons to think that - even if she left Amherst wanting to kill herself - that Maura did not commit suicide. I and others have posted a lot about this on this site, but I will repeat some here, First, it is pretty hard to kill yourself and not have any trace of your body be found. If you counter this by saying that Maura wandered deep into the backwoods and then killed herself, let me ask you by what means did she kill herself, particularly after getting in an accident and having to seek out some plan B? Remember, to kill yourself in the backwoods and not be found you have to be far enough off trails and logging roads to not be seen or smelled by hikers and cross country skiers, and to not have the radius of distribution of your body parts by wild animals not have your mandible or thigh show up in front of a hiker. Not so easy to get back there. I know Maura liked to hike up there, but she hiked trails, not backwoods off trail stuff. And it is much harder to deal with such terrain in the winter. So, like, you gotta go really deep backwoods for that. Hard going brush, at night, in the cold. Really deep back there you got to go if you are never going to be found. Okay, so say she does this, at night in the cold off some access trail that she not originally intend to take (i.e., the accident was not planed), and then she gets there to this place where from her body will never be surrendered by the forest. What does she do then? Does she drink herself to death? But why buy mixed drinks to drink yourself death? Really? And why bother withdrawing the rest of your money from your account? And why research all those places and then NOT make a reservation? Besides, if you know backwoods hiking and mountain terrain, I think you are unlikely to think that she just went somewhere remote after that accident and killed herself. It would be very difficult to get so such a location for even a very experienced back woods hiker in the summer and during the day, let alone Maura (who was an experienced trail walker according to what I have read, not a climber or a backwoods hiker) at night in the winter. Like I said, therefore, even if she left Amherst intending to harm herself, the accident almost certainly knocked her off that course and thus suicide does not explain her fate. The hikes Maura did, such as the Mount TriPyramid hike she did and mentioned in her post to that hiking site (which James' readers found and that James posted here) requires conditioning and stamina, but no particular orienteering or rugged terrain skills. It is a trail to the top of a mountain. It takes about 4 hours. But to get to a backwoods, remote locations where her body would not be discovered is another thing altogether. Also, when you the consider that her scent disappeared after a few hundred feet east of the crash scene, as well as all the booze she bought and the search for a resort to stay at, without booking one - and the fact that she locked the car doors - it just adds up in my mind to suicide, as of the time of the accident, not being a very likely outcome. Yes, it may have been on her mind when she left Amherst (although I think otherwise, it could have been). But once the accident happened there is a lot of reasons to think that suicide was not her fate. Best regards, John A. Green

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  40. @Anonymous 02:33 PM,

    This is one of the most interesting posts that I have read for some time (and I´m following the mostly garbled nonsense on the Topix MM Forum as well).
    What you seem to indicate here is that it would appear quite possible - perhaps even likely - that Maura was driving up I-93 North towards Lincoln/North Woodstock, rather than I-91 North directly from Amherst,MA, as mostly presumed.
    Her gas tank was apparently nearly full at the accident site on Rte 112 in Swiftwater,NH, so she might have filled up at Lincoln/North Woodstock before turning onto Rte 112 West towards Swiftwater and Woodsville.
    Perhaps she was on her way to Stowe/Burlington, VT, after all, as indicated by her search for directions on MapQuest?

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    1. Please see my reply to that comment. I assert that it was impossible that Maura was driving up I-93. It is simply not feasible from a time perspective, given other known facts. Also, she was moving east according to the police report when she hit the tree, further suggesting that she had been on I-91 which was west of her on 112. ~ John Andrew Green

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    2. But again, why would she go so far out of her way? If she was going to Stowe or Burlington, the quickest way from Amherst would have been I-91 to I-89. Even back then, Mapquest would certainly have told her that. Why add three-four hours to your trip? Not to mention, if she was going west on 112, she should have ended up wrecked on the opposite end of the curve.

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    3. The police report indicated that she was going east. She hit the tree and spun. I have not heard anyone say anything about the reliability of the police report, but I have been to the site twice. If she was going west, it would take a miracle of physics to impact the tree with the front bumper in such a way as to make the a police officer be erroneous in concluding she had been going east (or a miracle of sloppy police work, I guess). This is because, heading west, the curve in the road moves away from the tree (northerly, while the tree is a few feet south of the eastbound lane, so she would have had to pull a 270 degree turn hit the tree then turn around again to face the direction she was going in the first place.

      As to whether and why she was going so far out of her way, perhaps she wasn't. She did not book hotels anywhere as far as anyone knows, although she tried. So we don't know where she was going. If she was meeting someone who did book a hotel for her and him- or herself, she could have been heading to either Lincoln/North Woodstock or Conway, both of which have places comparable to that resort in Bartlett that she called. The shortest way from Amherst to those places is I-91 to US302 to 112 east, the route that she probably was following (well, in any case the 112 east part, at least according to the police report and my sense of physics).

      Also, see my post above. It is simply not possible hat Maura took I-93 and then had occasion to be driving east on 112 near Woodsville. It is not even close. There simply was not enough time, a fact which you can demonstrate on a GPS based on known evidence of her departure and crash time, the time of the police dispatch and a good assumption that she was not driving at recklessly high speeds in a Saturn with three cylinders when she was a known skittish driver.

      Best regards,
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    4. I thought James said the police corrected themselves and said she never hit the tree? Just the snow bank?

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  41. I just watched the disappeared episode again. Billy's Mom and Mr. Murray decide in fall 7-8 months later to call the numbers on Maura's phone bill. Thats nuts. My mom and Dad are both on my phone plan and if they go missing I would be calling and asking for the last 100 phone calls that day. Why search for her in the woods if there is a chance she made a res and wound up being able to hitch a ride, or jog, or both to her reservation spot. That seems weird that they would wait that long.

    Tom

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    1. Yeah. I thought this too but it looks like they thought the cops were doing this or had done this - why wouldn't they think that, right? I would have expected a thorough investigation, this is the US after all not some third world country where life means very little but clearly the cops did a shoddy and insultingly poor job. It's almost as though they didn't care.

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    2. That is a very good point Tom, in my opinion. And it is another of the merely circumstantial but slowly accumulating bits of evidence and lines of reasoning that suggest that the family knows something that they - for whatever reason - feel it is better to not disclose. To be clear, I assert that not as any kind of accusation or anything toward anyone. However, in a civilized society, crimes are against THE STATE, which collectively has an interest in and provides an apparatus for making society safer through creation of laws, apprehension of subjects and due process. The family does not own the crime, but they suffer most of the grief. If families owned the crime, we would have duels and a wild west mentality. It is essential to a civilized system of criminal law that the family defer to law enforcement in all phases, Within that larger context - whatever your sympathies for the Murray's may be, and share them, including a deep sadness at Fred's suffering - he nor they have the right (morally or logically) to determine what is and is not significant evidence, at least in terms of disclosure to the authorities. In fact, my hop is that the authorities already know what the Murray's don't want aired publicly, have deemed it irrelevant and have done a good job keeping it under their hats. But I think there are indications otherwise. In any case, this separation of victim and enforcement/investigation/adjudication/punishment apparatuses is so obvious and ingrained in the very fabric of our civil society and legal culture. These accumulating hints thus - including this the latest to my ears, as observed by you Tom (i.e., "if I were missing" ... me too ... and everyone I know!) - make it hard not to suspect that the family has something to hide. And this is a shame, if you ask me. But on the other hand, I say to myself "walk a mile in the shoes of man whose lost a daughter this way before I get too judgmental about it."

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  42. To John Andrew Green

    It's suicide theory guy once again.

    Maura left her campus at 3:30 p.m.
    At 3:40 p.m. precisely she withdrew money from an atm

    At 4:37 p.m. precisely (Maura checked her phone for messages)

    To get from amherst to londonberry is 21 miles total.

    She could've feasibly been in the londonberry area at the time of this ping.

    When I went to the area, (I live in the midwest and had never been to mass or NH before) I actually used the I-91-route to retrace Maura's steps. I drove to the 302 exit, drove by the same very motel her father set up as a command post and James at one point believed was a possible place she might've checked into. As i Recall with James, he believed that (Like I did) that maura went up I-91, but the problem with that was that if you match up times and especially when it is known that maura wrecked (right around 7:10 - 7:15 p.m., there is still around an hour gap in time if Maura had taken I-91.

    I think if she took I-93 like a cell phone ping suggests, that might actually clear up the timeframe better.

    But I like everyone else, have no Idea on specifics of maura's trip that day, she may have wanted to take a specific route (one that may not make sense direction wise) or make a stop that no one knows about. She may have just wanted to eat somwhere in particular that was a little out of the way. I know when I travel by car, I don't always take the most logical route to get somewhere. Sometimes, I even go out of my way if I have something I want to see or visit. I can imagine if I went missing and people were trying to trace my steps, one of my oddball trip routes might throw people way off.

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  43. To John Andrew Green

    (Suicide guy theory)I do stand corrected. When i googled mapped the directions from amherst to londonderry it said 21 miles. But in reality that was for Amherst Nh. to Londonderry Nh.

    I now see what you mean. there is no way maura would've (from a time standpoint) been able to travel from her campus east 105 miles and then up to the white mountain region and wreck at the 7;10 to 7:15 p.m. mark.

    However, if maura did take I-91 and left at 3:30 p.m. made an atm withdrawl at 3:40 p.m. and then checked her phone messages at precisely 4:37 p.m., heading up north I-91, she would likely be around the Rockingham vermont area (which is around 20-25 miles from Londonderry Vt).

    Is it 100 percent certain that the cell phone ping came from Londonderry, NH or in Londonderry VT?

    Either way, this whole thing wasn't about me trying to figure out how maura got up to the white mountains, but what is the source of the londonderry ping, which I still believe until proven otherwise was her turning on her own phone.

    I apologize for getting things off course. I have actually for the longest time believed maura went up I-91 north and not I-93. and when I was physically out following maura's believed route I never even considered going anyway but up I-91 north from her campus to her final accident site. It was only when James brought up the londonderry ping, that I began to maybe think Maura may have veered off course.



    Just throwing that out there.

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    1. Good catch. Glad I read your second message before I went onto Google maps again. The other issue too is that from Londonderry, NH area to Woodsville is a long ride too.

      As to whether the Londonderry ping has been erroneously placed in NH as opposed to VT, I don't know. Would be nice to clear that up if so and it would certainly tilt things in some different directions.

      Incidentally, good for you correcting yourself. People often don't care enough about what they are talking about in its own right to bother validating the things they say and to correct themselves in the interest of the subject at hand. It adds candor and integrity to the outcomes of any discussion. So kudos to you.

      I think there is some evidence lurking (although I am no keeper of evidence and can hardly remember where I read this -but it might be here) that the tower pinging means the device was within 20 miles of it. I believe the service provider indicated that as a part of the investigation. There is a post by James about it, now that I think about it. Taking a quick look at the map, it appears that the closest Maura would have been to Londonderry on I-91 was about 60 miles.

      But lets consider something else. In my earlier map play, I concluded that if she was moving at highway speed (although the condition of the Saturn really calls this into question), then she MAY have had like 30 minutes spare time beyond what was need to drive straight to the crash site. So just now I did this experiment to see how much of that time I could convert into driving on NH state roads toward Londonderry then back to I-91, The only real way to do it (that I found) is to follow NH 9. So, I stretched the Google Maps course toward Londonderry along Route 9. At a certain point, the preferred route for rest of the trip to 112 jumps over to I-93, but then the trip takes too long and she can't make it by 7:29. And likewise, expectedly, f you force the route back to I91 from that pont, the trip also gets too long. At least within the limits of this means of this play around approximation/experimentation, I concluded that she did have time to stop off in Keene, NH, where there is a college with a very prominent running program that UMASS races against all the time. Specifically, she could have taken I-91 to Route 9, to Keene, then back to I-91 and on toward Woodsville in the time that other evidence shows she had available. That is the closest she could have gotten to Londonderry, again assuming that in hobbled three cylinder Saturn she was not busting 80 MPHs. Keene would leaver her still still close to 50 miles as the crow flies from Londonderry, NH at that point. The timing is probably not quite right either, as it is about 70 minutes to Keene. Thus, just now, finding your post persuasive, I tried to test it out and could not find a way to get her within 20 miles of Londonderry, NH. But I could be overlooking something and I hope you will try it. My reasoning, of course, is possibly a victim of my bias toward my own brewing theories of what happened.

      How about this, just to toss something out there? I don't have the expertise to know, but I wonder if Keene University maybe has some dedicated Internet infrastructure, including a tower that fed off the Londonderry Tower. For a school in a mountainous place with bad zones, this is not unthinkable. Perhaps Maura's ping was relayed from Keene University's infrastructure to the Londonderry tower across a greater distance than a single tower can register a device, but because it is a dedicated tower for the University, the ping shows up in the service provider's data as Londonderry? Hmm. As I say that, I sound to myself like I am blowing smoke and need to go to sleep. Go easy on me.

      Best, John G.

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  44. Perhaps Maura was planning to start a new life - and continued with that plan post the accident. There are many documented cases of people who choose to disappear - as challenging as that is for most of us to comprehend.

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    1. I think there are several examples of just this to be found on The Charley Project and the Doe Network. For one, I want to say the name was Huels and it was down south: a very young woman who just got out of dodge and left behind the impression that she was missing or dead. I think there is still some controversy as to whether the woman later found working at a diner somewhere was really her. And there are others I vaguely remember. It is surprising, but the three groups of people I anecdotally have observed tend to do this (leaving aside fugitives and dead beat dads) - I have an avid interest in unsolved crimes - are (1) middle aged men in financial trouble, (2) women who have gotten married relatively recently, and (3) very young, like college age, women. HOWEVER, in my anecdotal exposure, the women are often involved in drugs and later prostitution and/or are running AWAY from an abusive man. Not saying that this means anything and I think your post offers a very simple and feasible potential explanation. Just adding what I know. Regards, John G.

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  45. John G.


    I do try and stick as closely to the facts as possible and when I foul up a fact, I definitely want to be the first to get it corrected.

    I remember when i traced her trip from her campus up to her accident site, that it didn't take me very long at all to get to battleboro vt. from her campus (up I-91) and not long after that you would be in the londonderry vermont region (within 20-25 miles)

    It is a fact that Maura left her campus right around 3:30 p.m. and it is also a fact that she checked her cell phone for messages at 4:37 p.m. (last known use of her phone)

    I am highly curious to know whether or not the affidavit that refers to the londonderry cell tower was or wasn't in fact how the police were able to determine that Maura checked her cell phone at 4:37 p.m. precisely. I think the danger about going to an old affidaivit to try and extract new clues is that the information unknown at the time of the affidavit being made ---may have been cleared up in the weeks following, making that affidavit irrelevant and to go now and look at that document, it actually ends up just confusing the issue at hand even more. (I hope that made sense)

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    1. Yes, your last point made sense and it is a good one.

      I don't think, however, that it is a fact that Maura left campus right around 3:30. By all accounts I have seen, she sent the email about the death in the family right after 4:00. But perhaps I am not privy to something here. The only mention of 3:30 I have seen is a classmate who said that she saw Maura leaving something between 3:30 and 4:30. Sounds like you have some factual stuff in mind that I am missing.

      Regards, John G.

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    2. Incidentally, with a 3:30 departure time, there is till now way she made it to Londonderry and then onto 112 east near Woodsville. But I know you were not getting at that. Also, if she did leave at 3:30, that makes the timing work well with regard to my speculation that maybe she went to Keene college and some dedicated transmission infrastructure at the college looks like Londonderry pings in the service provider's data. It is about 70 minutes from Amherst to Keene.

      John G.

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    3. That Londonderry VT thing is worth someone figuring out. It changes things if you are corect and that would be a great save on your part.

      John G.

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      Yeah, now whenever I refer to Londonderry I am referring to Londonderry Vt and not Londonderry NH. I absolutely once again believe that Maura took I-91 straight up to the Wells River exit and then onto the white mountains.

      What I was saying was that given her timeline that day, (Same route I drove myself) I think she would've been around the Londonderry Vermont area at the time she checked her cell phone messages.

      I can conclude that she departed her campus around 3:30 p.m. because there is documented evidence out there that she made an ATM withdrawl at exactly 3:40 p.m. and then went to a liquor store (both as she was leaving campus)

      The email to her professors and her two places of employment, (other than the wikipedia entry that mysteriously says 4 p.m.) does not or has not been ever been released to the public with a timestamp on it. But all news reports that I have gathered up on the case note that maura emailed her professors/employers first and then went to the atm and liquor store on her way out of amherst.

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    5. here is mauras timeline as I know it for Monday Feb 9 (the day she went missing)

      Around 12:55 p.m. --Maura places call to owners of condominium in Bartlett. (Call last three minutes)

      1 p.m precisely -- Maura emails boyfriend Billy (last email correspondence between the two).

      1:13 p.m. ----Maura calls fellow nursing student (it is belived she was arranging to return borrowed scrubs).

      2:05 p.m. ---- Maura calls 1-800 GO STOWE phone numbers and gets recording (Interesting that maura is inquiring about lodging in a complete differnt location than the call she had made just before 1 p.m. that day. (IMO, doesn't show someone with set plans or out to meet someone specifically).

      2:18 p.m. ----Maura calls boyfriend and leaves brief message says supposedly that she wants to talk and that she loves him.

      From 2:20 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. --- It is believed Maura packed up her dorm fastiditously (in a rapid manner) leaving behind most of her clothes and things packed in boxes and stacked onto her bed with an old email that had been printed out from her boyfriend dealing with his infidelity on top of the boxes. (this is all speculated not fully proven)

      3:40 p.m. -----Maura withdrawls almost everything out of her checking account at an ATM

      Right after Maura purchases liquor (sizeable amount). Investigators do have her receipt from liquor store to verify what she has bought and when exactly.

      4:37 p.m. ----Maura checks her cell phone for messages (and with her phone, she must dial in to check messages by pressing a button that automatically dials the phones phone number (this is a fact because I have her exact same phone)

      7:29 p.m. --- Dispatch gets its first call to report to a vehicle wreck on wild ammonoosuc Rd. (This likely means Maura actually wrecked dher car around 7:20-7:25 p.m. in the evening. (a 911 call was placed by neighbor directly across the street from where maura wrecked. Neighbor calls in at 7:27 p.m. precisely after hearing loud thump out her window.

      7:46 p.m. --- is when First officer arrives on scene. (In the meantime, the school bus driver has already approached the accident site and went back to his house and had his wife call 911 at approx 7:42 p.m. So from 7:27 p.m. (time first neighbor calls into 911 to 7:42 p.m., when atwood wife calls 911 is the timeframe that the school bus driver had total to spend with maura and do something sinister if one is to believe that theory.

      Intersting side note: both an ambulance and a tow truck responded as well as a gazillion firemen to the accident site that night all operating from the scanners.
      So for those that believe some stalker psycho was monitoring scanner activity that night and then decided to swoop in and take maura, seems awful unlikely considering all of the authorities that were racing to get to the scene.

      One other note: the first responding officer (one that arrived at 7:46 p.m. didn't call back into dispatch and clear the accident scene until 9:26 p.m. that night. All other emergency personnel including the two driver with mauras car left the accident scene by 8:50 p.m. the first responding officer was still on scene almost 40 minutes after the accident site had been cleared completely (For those out there that think no interviews were done that night. What do you think he was doing??? staring at the road for 40 minutes?

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    6. Thanks for taking the time to post that timeline. Your last paragraph also was succinct and insightful in my opinion.

      I do want to offer a couple minor corrections that may make a difference. According to the dispatch report, the first call about the accident was not at 7:29, but at 7:27. It was made by Faith Westman, who looked out the window when she heard the thump. I think it is likely she called LE pretty quickly so the accident probably happened at 7:26 or 7:25 (at least by the dispatcher's clock). Maybe even immediately at 7:26. A couple of minutes - as I have discovered - makes a difference in terms of whether it is feasible that she herself could possibly have been close enough to the Londonderry tower to be responsible for the Londonderry ping. That is important in my opinion for this reason: if she did cause the Londonderry ping (even by just turning on her device), there is much reason to think that she was in the vicinity of her destination when she crashed. I have reasoned that out based on known evidence and roadway geography in another post so I wont repeat it here. Regards, ~ John Green

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      Yeah that wasn't a facutal mistake in my timeline above, but rather just a poorly worded sentence.

      What I was getting at was the responding officer was first notified at 7:29 p.m. after FW called 911 and spoke with dispatch at 7:27

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  46. My take on the theories--
    Having studied criminology in college, I think there is a possibility that she was a victim of a violent crime. Often, crimes are opportunistic in nature and with a crashed car in the dark, Maura would have made a fairly easy target. Especially if she had been drinking. Just because she refused the bus driver's help, that doesn't mean she didn't accept a ride from someone else. It only takes a second for an abduction to take place. And if she happened to stop and the "wrong" person for directions--well, in that case, there is now someone who knows she's lost, she's alone, and he knows where her intended destination is. However, unless he was trailing her far from behind, it seems he would have been at the scene before anyone else. Actually, if anyone was following her--where did they go while she was speaking with the bus driver? Did he drive off and hide until the coast was clear? It's possible. If a person was planning a sinister act, I doubt he would be hanging around in plain sight....maybe he assumed she would get help before he could strike--only to realize his opportunity was back when she refused help.

    Also, Maura is the only one who knows if she was taking her birth control properly. I think there is a very real possibility that she was pregnant (or at least thought she was). This would explain why nobody seems to know where exactly she was trying to go. Pregnancy can at times be a very private matter....especially if you are planning an abortion. If in fact she was going to meet someone, she could have felt comfortable enough with only telling that one person of her plan. Also, abortions are not cheap. She may have had no choice but to clean out her account to pay for it.

    And if someone was following her that she knew.....why wouldn't they have been the first to render aid? Perhaps they were too far back, but at the same time knew where he and Maura were planning to meet up. Or maybe she was in fact going to meet someone who already had a room rented for them somewhere. In that case, the room would have been reserved in his name not hers. If she never showed, this person may have been concerned but not enough to come forward and risk looking like the offender.

    This just doesn't seem like a suicide mission. And the alcohol was probably just the way she was planning to ease her stress....not kill herself with. Perhaps she did end up lost in the woods, but I truly feel that someone picked her up.

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    1. I don't buy the pregnancy theory. If she wanted a baby she wouldn't be drinking. Everyone knows that causes damage. If she didn't want a baby there are three Planned Parenthood centers near Amherst that she could have gone to. Regardless of people's views on abortion PP does if needed provide these free to women in need to stop exactly what you are suggesting - that frightened women run away into god knows what because they're afraid of their pregnancy or have other issues. Maura as a nursing student would have known what w options were.

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    2. True. Pregnancy is only one of many possible issues. But as a woman myself, I know how scary an unplanned pregnancy can be when the father does not want it. Yes, she would have known her options. Most women do. The point I was getting at was how the possible father may have reacted--that can change things drastically for a woman. And plenty of people run off for a day or even a week to clear their heads or to make decisions. To want privacy doesn't always mean you are afraid. It can just simply mean you want private time to weigh options and think.

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  47. WHO is the person she had dinner with along with her father a few nights before she disappeared. How does no one know???

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  48. I'm new to this blog (greetings, everyone), but I'm very familiar with this case and I've spent a few hours reading various posts on here. Here's my two cents...

    In reply to the original question posed in this particular post: When I was a college student in Boston, I vanished on my own more than once, without telling anyone, to simply escape my life for a few days and clear my head. Being secretive wasn't such a big deal -- I didn't want my parents nagging me about spending money, and I didn't want my friends asking questions or knowing my business. Sometimes I would do it pretty off-the-cuff -- like drive through rural back roads in Connecticut, stop at a cheap motel whenever I felt like it, and book a room for the night.

    There are several clues which may (or may not) suggest that MM intended to commit suicide. 21-year-olds don't have the coping skills of older adults and tend to be more impulsive when it comes to suicide. That being said, suicide seems VERY unlikely, simply because her body has never been found. Think about it: her car is broken down, it's cold, there's snow everywhere, and it's pitch black outside. Regardless of her athleticism, how far could she really get by foot to commit suicide, without her body ever being found? Also, she seemed like a person of loyalty and sensitivity. I think that it would've been hard for her to put her father through that.

    At this point, knowing what we know, here's that I think (obviously I'm just speculating): I think that she drank a little booze, wrecked her car, and left the scene of an accident hoping to avoid a DUI... And at some point later that evening or early the next morning, some crazy dirtbag happened to see a young, attractive woman in a vulnerable position, and he took advantage of the opportunity of a lifetime.

    I'm not ready to forget about Rick Forcier quite yet...

    -TJ

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  49. I wanted to add one quick thing to my previous comment---

    The MM case has certain psychological connections to the case of Amy Bradley, a 23-year-old woman who disappeared in 1998 while aboard a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Some people believe that she exited the ship of her own free will when it docked in Curaçao, with the intent of disappearing and starting a new life. Like MM, Amy Bradley was an intelligent, athletic young woman who may had some secrets (don't we all?)... But most people believe that she abducted on board through an international sex trafficking ring.

    Anyway, it's worthwhile to compare these two missing persons cases because both may have deliberately vanished with the intent of starting a new life, and both were young women with certain similar attributes.

    -TJ

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  50. One thing I've never heard mentioned - has anyone ever tried to make the trip she did with a Saturn running on just three cylinders? - Wonder what that would be like, and what kind of gas mileage one would get. Perhaps more stops for gas than would be expected; exposing her to scrutiny by undesirables..
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  51. I run a lot of scenarios through my head when thinking about this case. I keep coming back to this. I feel that Maura maybe suffered from some type of bipolar disorder or maybe even severe depression. She may have been using alcohol in an attempt to ease her feelings. The stress of school, a cheating boyfriend, past troubles, etc. took its toll and lead to some sort of break down. This would explain her wreck less behavior. I mean 2 car accidents days apart from each other! After the second accident, she may have broken down even more and flagged someone down for a ride.
    Maybe this is the reason her father will not delve into her personal life, because she was private for a reason. Since this is a higher profile case, he knows that everyone would be discussing his daughters’ mental health and past mistakes.
    But then there is the rag in the tailpipe! Ugh! So frustrating. I don’t know what to make of it.

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  52. So, the rag in the tail pipe...I seem to remember reading somewhere, although I can't for the life of me remember where, that people with schizophrenia sometimes do this to supposedly stop things (don't ask me what!) from entering the car through the tail pipe. I know this sounds crazy...am I the only person who has ever heard of this? I'm not stating this as fact, just wondering if anyone else has ever heard of this.

    Also, I am wondering if there are any runners out there who have tried to run the route that Maura would have run in the conditions that Maura would have been running in (same time of night and with roughly same amount of snow). Seems like a fairly easy experiment, although maybe not the funnest time to be doing a long run.

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    1. You know, I have never heard of that specifically, but I would not completely discount it either. From what I have read about this case, I think there is certainly enough evidence to point to Maura having a mental illness. I am not saying that I believe that conclusively, but I think a lot of her behaviors/actions at least point towards mental illness. 21/22 is a common age for these things to start to emerge. A friend of mine developed schizophrenia at that age and she definitely went through about a year of odd behaviors before it really dawned on everyone that she was mentally ill. Maura was introverted, reckless and impulsive. There is also some talk that she was promiscious and a big drinker. Now, all these behaviors are also those of some "normal" college students, but Maura's led to a very different ending.

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  53. There is no way in hell that car was running on three cylinders!! It never would have made It anywhere close to nh. I'm not saying that this car ran great but she clearly was able to maintain a proper highway speed in order to arrive in woodsville by 730.
    I don't kno why Fred and the family chose to say this but it always seemed odd to me, I had a toyota that actualy only ran on three cylinders and I could barely make it up any hills in ct faster than 30mph.
    I have no question that the Saturn was not in great working order but I have serious doubts that the car was only runnin on 3 cylinders

    -Jenkins

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  54. I've been following this case literally since ye beginning and I would like to thank the creator of this blog. You've done an incredible job at finally moving this case forward. I was a member of the original mauramurray.com sight before it became the MMM site and back then we had no answers to a lot of the questions that you've found answers to.
    Back then I fully believed that this was a completely random crime and she just happened to b in the wrong spot at the wrong time, but not I'm really starting to doubt that.
    I've never believed the suicide theory, why would she need to make up a story to her teachers about a death on the family if she wasn't coming back?? She needed a week off and claiming a death in the family is one of the only ways to get a truly excised absence fr a strict program such as nursing. To me that shows clear intent to return to classes.
    I think at this point the best thing to do is to look at tw definite evidence before us.
    -first of all is the accident...the damage to her car was NOT caused by hitting a snowbank or a tree!! It's impossible. Look at the sharp dent above her bumper, that could only come from hottting something that is high up, such as a bumper of a truck. Then there is no damage to the bumper and below the bumper there is damage that is consistent w hitting a snowbank. Idk but it looks to me like there was 2 separate accidents that night.
    -early on in the case there was actually a report of another accident a few miles up the road, has this blog looked into that at all? It looks to me like it really happened.
    -there was a witness who reported seeing a red truck, with mass plates no less, in the area. Not only that but the witness also said that it appeared as of the truck was looking for someone walking on the road! They jadslowed down ad once they saw that the witness was not who they were looking for they took off. Can this really be a coincidence??
    -then we have a rag in the tailpipe!! If that isn't evidence of foul play idk what is. There's absolutely no way this rag was put there to try to b visible to other drivers, the car had spun around so the back wasn't even facing oncoming traffic. That's just ridiculous to even suggest. Also the toe truck driver describes it as being stuffed deep in the muffler. He also said that the accident looked like she might have lost powe and was trying to regain control, she hit the snowbank on the opposite side of the road and then spun to the other side. This is all consistent w the rag having a nefarious purpose. A car w a rag stiffed deep into the muffler isn't going very far, couple miles at most. That's exactly how far the other possible accident was.
    -looking at this evidence it's almost impossible to think this was all random.
    -think about this, we have a rag stuffed in the muffler, we got reports of a truck w mass plates and another accident, and we have damage consistent with another accident w a truck of some sort. Somebody did something to her and it was someone she knew, IMO.

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  55. I cannot believe people are still mentioning the suicide plot. In 99.9% of all suicides, the body is found. Secondly, as I have mentioned before you do not drive to the middle of nowhere to kill yourself with boxed whine and white Russians. Over the counter pills and a fifth of Jack would do just fine. In most suicide cases, the person seeks out pills, a gun, etc. ahead of time. There is no evidence showing that Maura sought out any of these. In the vast majority of suicides, a note is left. Maura never attempted suicide or anything close to a suicide before. Please for the sake of progressing this discussion, stop with the suicide banter unless you have something valid to back it up. It makes no sense.

    I still stand by my story that Maura Murray is in Canada. Until the day, her body shows up I will stand by this story. In addition, I will be the first one on here to apologize if I am wrong. I have listed in detail on this blog before why I believe she was on the run and continues to be on the run. The police themselves have all but come out and said that they believe she is on the run based on the events leading up to her disappearance. However, they have not ruled out foul play entirely and the case is ongoing. If you watch the Disappeared episode and watch Mr. Murrays behavior and listen to what he says (or does not say) in interviews and you can honestly say that he is being truthful about everything well then I have some prime land in Brazil I want to sell you. I feel he is hiding some details about Maura, and I get a sense of guilt from him every time I see him in an interview.

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