Wednesday, February 8, 2012

***Developing*** What the hell is this?


This video was posted on YouTube earlier today. Bear with me. I'm trying to get answers.

Obviously, whoever posted this is implying that this is a pass that Maura, or somebody with Maura, purchased two days after she disappeared. If she was headed to Bretton Woods, it would go a long way toward explaining why her car was found where it was and why she was heading East on 112.

But where did this pass come from and who posted it on YouTube??

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  1. A few years ago in the Jodi Huisentruit case, the wife of the former police chief mailed the Globe Gazette newspaper a copy of Jodi's journal which was part of the evidence the police department gathered. Could we possibly be seeing a similar instance with an insider source releasing evidence?

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  2. Does the time on this say 4:39am ?? And the money amount says zero ?? How odd.

    I assume a parking pass implies a vehicle

    I can't see why someone who genuinely had this info would play cat and mouse games on the Internet . Who alerted you to the YouTube upload James ?

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    1. I think PKG means package, in this case. XC = Cross Country, Lodging Package. It's implying that she spent a night or two there.

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  3. Well this is certainly a very strange development. The name of the uploader is 112dirtbag... 112 is obviously the road maura disappeared on, dirtbag though I can't be sure of. Didn't Fred say in the ID documentary something about how he thought a local dirtbag grabbed her?

    Anyway without any comment by the uploader uploading this video is at least a very very strange thing to do.

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    1. Yes, I recall watching the ID episode which featured Maura Murray. And you're right, her father said in reference to what he thought happened ," i think some local dirt bag took her' Please tell law enforcement about this.

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  4. The video was posted by "112dirtbag" - apparently a reference to the supposed abductor per Fred's own description...weird.

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  5. Looks like it's a Cross country pass (XC) that's issued as part of a package deal i.e. an overnight stay. Definitely a stab at Fred. I thought it said 1:39, but it's blurry. And the right side of the tag has been deleted from the video. Sicko.

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  6. That has to be the creepiest thing with zero to be freaked out by I have ever seen. The slow pan, the poster's handle, the silence... Someone is most definitely fucking with you.

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    1. Agreed. Imagine having nothing better to do than post creepy crap like that. That man/woman needs to get a life.

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  7. This is so bizarre. The name is particularly bizarre. I mean, this person knows something about the case. The fact that an episode of Disappeared is out there makes it likely a lot of people would know those terms. I am thinking it is a prank because of how widely seen ID network is. But it could be from someone who actually knows something, which would be great for this case. The police should be able to investigate and possibly find who uploaded it. It is another strange twist but it could provide some clues so its exciting in that light.

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  8. The police HAVE to jump on this. They can easily get the IP address (and unique device ID) from YouTube with a subpoena, as it is obviously relevant to a potential crime. Unless LE knows something that makes so doing not necessary (something, mind you, invisible to me), not doing that would be an INEXCUSABLE blunder by the police. 112dirtbag needs to be talked to by the police and James. And also, I think the investigating agency has to be alerted to this.

    As for this explaining why she was on 112 east ... only partially. The much more direct and driveable route (particularly for a hobbled car) is 302. It goes STRAIGHT there. 112 would add a few minutes to the trip but in a hobbled car it would also add risk. However, if the accident was staged, I know that turn off onto "Wild Amounosoc" road or whatever it is called and it certainly looks like it leads down to a pretty winding lonely road where you could ditch a car. Perhaps she and a companion turned off, crashed the car, and then simply drove past the accident scene or circled around on Bradley Hill Road or just went east on 112 to 116 and made a left back up to 302.

    Another point: if some "dirtbag" took her, it is doubtful he would post on youtube anything, least of all with that name. Also, I have no data to this effect, but I am going to assume that very few serial killers treat their victims to a few days at a ski lodge. Instead, this seems to be a poke at her father. I.e., yeah that "dirtbag" took her to a nice place to stay.

    One more point about a staged accident. It is conceivable might very well have been towing the car to whip it off its tow into a tree. They might have been towing it to that point. Once executed, they poked the rag up into the tail pipe with a stick (the tail pipe would be hot), gathered the tow line and left. That takes a minute. I swear, someone needs get their head under the bumper of that Saturn outside Troop F and see if their are striations from a chain or cable anywhere, and or rope fibers.

    ~John Green

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  9. The timing of the posting seems odd. Big revelations yesterday here. Today, someone posts this on Youtube. Very odd. I have never been on that Topix site but my impression is without the vetting or moderation, lots of crazy stuff got said. I've heard of this one dude who has like x files ideas about UMASS researchers killing to harvest her DNA or something. I wonder if this might just be a prank? ~ John Green

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  10. That is incredibly creepy and leading. Even if it is fake, it is strange that someone would keep that stub from 2004. I don't like it. James, were you just searching the web and came across this?? Are you alerting the authorities? I

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    1. Yes, reminds me of the "Catchmekiller" hoax. However, this ticket looks real, so why would anyone keep it from 2004, and then just "by coincidence" post it on the anniversary of her disappearance? So weird!

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    2. I agree, someone definitely needs to let the detectives handling the case know that this is out there so they can investigate further. It's just way too weird that this is out there... someone obviously saved that pass for a reason.

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  11. I downloaded the video and took screenshots of the page profile just in case this creepy person deletes it.

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    1. Unfortunatly he did delete it.

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    2. Good thinking! I tried viewing these videos, but I'm too late. This person looks to have deleted this youtube account. I think this really needs to be passed to New Hampshire Law Enforcement...whether it is legit or not.. there's a lot of explaining for this mentally unstable COWARD to be doing.

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    3. The man has taken it down now. Is there any way you could re-post it onto youtube for those of us that missed it?
      Thank you so much if so.

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    4. Good move, man, at 8:20 or so this morning of February 9 I rushed to the site knowing, just knowing, that he would have deleted the darn thing and, sure enough, he had. It was good thinking to do what you did.

      John Avellar

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    5. It was deleted, perhaps you could give that to James and he could post here, or at least you will have it if he needs to show it to authorities. What did it say? I came here too late to see. I hope this leads to something so the family can finally find out some answers.

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  12. Can this be tracked down to a computer's address?

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    1. Yes, but YouTube is owned by Google. If police think it merits investigating, they'll need a subpoena. I can't imagine Google would cooperate unless they were legally required to-- not because they wouldn't want to, but because it's a slippery slope from there to all-out monitoring. Legally, the police (and service providers like Facebook) treat the content you post sort of like they treat your car-- unless there's something obvious out in the open, they need probable cause to look in your trunk, metaphorically speaking.

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    2. I believe it can, with subpoenas to You Tube and the manufacturer of the computer (which its ID codes will carry with any transmission on the Internet). They would have to be cross referenced. See my post against the scary hoax video for more info. ~ John Green

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    3. Catherine, I would like to respectfully disagree. I think that Google would cooperate. The subpoena is a given, regardless of Google's attitude because a subpoena also ensures the viability of the evidence at a trail. In other words, the police would rarely never approach Google or anyone for data - long after the crime was over - without a subpoena. The plain view rule is about controlling the behavior of police officers at a scene, who face all kinds of exigent situations in deciding whether to intervene and/or detain someone. It is one of a number of judicially created exceptions to 4th amendment search and seizure limits. In effect, it gives an officer a rule of thumb to follow where she/he can imply her/his own judicial subpoena and probable cause because otherwise something bad will happen (e.g., the screaming woman inside the house will die or the evidence that Ted Bundy was lying under the blanket in the backseat will vanish because the driver is not going to sit there and wait for a judge to be summoned to sign a subpoena to detain the dude and search his car. And without plain view, nobody would get a DUI.) The situation here, by contrast, is about post crime investigation. Just about everything in that realm involves a subpoena as opposed to an officer's judgments about whether he can act, particularly when you are asking someone to do work to produce the evidence. In the case of a specific crime, Google, like the phone company, has every incentive to cooperate and would not want to be the entity that got identified as preventing the capture of someone's killer. Child pornographers and Internet chat room stalkers are routinely caught using data, taps ins and active investigative presences on various privately owned Internet assets similar to YouTube. I am not 100% sure about this, but I think that is voluntary on the part of the owners of the assets, like Yahoo chat rooms. (This because I cannot imagine what you would write the subpoena for and such a broad subpoena would definitely be fought by an Internet service company. It is better for them to just say, you can play in our systems and if you see something and we agree it is something, we have a prearranged deal to provide the data voluntarily.) I believe the kinds of things that Google would resist are laws and government inquiries that allow government entities to actively monitor internet browsing of nobody in particular, fishing for patterns in data to identify suspects, like something under the so called Patriot Act. But in terms of something pertaining to an active crime, I think Google would not resist any more than the phone Verizon. In any case, they could not resist it and if they did their CIO or some official could be jailed for contempt of court. Further, I think this, in itself, is not a slippery slope. It is consistent with the judicial doctrines surrounding the 4th amendment, which are - if anything - a notoriously unslippery slope; lots of criminals go free because probable cause has to be met to get a subpoena. Where investigators cheat (as in the OJ case), it hinders the prosecution's case specifically because of the 4th Amendment. With that in mind, I state again that with a subpoena to Google and another to the manufacturer of the computer (which would be visible in Google's data), the police probably would know who purchased the machine, unless the purchaser bought it at like a Mac Store AND paid cash AND did not provide personal information AND did not register for the warranty AND did not buy/register any software applications. Also, I think (but I am not sure) that a third subpoena to the Internet service provider (along with some possibly complex analysis of their network data) could point right to the address from where this video was sent. Of course, if it was sent from a library or educational institution or internet cafe, there is another layer of investigation involving log on codes, whether the institution records users their computers, etc. ~ John Green

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  13. That looks like it was extracted from a poor quality video. Look at the way that the fold lines in the paper extend beyond the top of the ticket, and also notice the double text on the left edge.

    Any chance the last digits of a credit card number are on there?

    Chris

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  14. I think this is a fake. The way it is presented makes me think so. Someone is just trying to stir something up and be a jerk about it. I mean, if they knew something or had evidence they would surely have more than this, and wouldn't implicate themselves.

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  15. OMG he just posted another REALLY creepy video with his face! http://youtu.be/f7Ws9TD5Kew

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  16. I guess he must have just uploaded this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Ws9TD5Kew&feature=related what the f....!!

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  17. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Ws9TD5Kew&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

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  18. James, The creep 112dirtbag posted another video "happy anniversary"
    click on his name in you tube to get to it. It is way too creepy. Please notify LE.

    Thank you

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  19. They won't let me see the videos.. they say they have been taken down.. wat did they show?

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  20. this reminds me a lot of when BTK resurfaced in 2004 by sending a photocopy of Vicki Wegerle's driver's license to the police. my gut-feeling tells me that this guy's a killer and he's taunting you, James.

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    1. But I really wanna point out that unlike BTK he has nothing actually to show from Maura. Just something from NH in 2004. Show us something from Maura. BTK had Vicki's license. That was an ACTUAL real connection to Vicki. The ski ticket has NOTHING to do with Maura. Becky

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  21. My take is the sick poster is implying that he was headed up 112 to ski when he crossed paths with Maura. He offers the ticket as proof. I just think it's a sick prank because anyone who happened to be doing anything in NH in that timeframe could post a Youtube with the title 'Maura Murrya' and then an image of something. They'd get a lot of attention and that's just what that want. Should be followed up though.

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    1. I think you have it right. He was implying he was in NH around the time she disappeared.

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  22. It was deleted. Thannks anon for DLing it.

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  23. Video was removed.

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  24. Agreed. James, please notify law enforcement. Even if this is just some mentally disturbed individual... it could be legitimate, who knows. Please tell us you're going to notify law enforcement.

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  25. I would LOVE to see Fred Murray and Billy Rausch kick this guy's A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  26. Guys I'm beginning to doubt that maura is a missing person it seems to me she is a fugitive. This is my first time blogging about this so forgive me if I sound ignorant, but the more I read about James investigation the more I think she is actually running away from the law and the murrays kno where she is at.....

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  27. I wonder if Bretton Woods has video in storage from the time printed on the tickets? They must have cameras on their registers.

    It's hard to ask for video from 8 years ago and expect it to be there (many medical records aren't even held that long), but if it is, it could at the very least provide video/photo evidence of who bought the pass and if this is a tasteless prank, give the police an image of the person causing this trouble.

    Longshot, but you never know. The other thing - if this proves to be a realistic lead - is to try and see if you can find people who were there that morning/day and took pictures of their outing. I guess this all depends on how much effort police are willing to give a cold case.

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  28. Bretton Woods is known as a very expensive resort, arguably the most exclusive of its kind in the White Mountains of NH.
    I very much doubt whether Maura would have had the financial means available to stay there, unless she was there with a well-to-do friend of hers.
    And quite frankly, the ticket on the video really proves nothing at all. Lots of people keep these kind of things as mementoes and keep-sakes from their vacations and travels, as former NHSP Lt and now P.I. John Healy pointed out in a televised interview.
    Just my take on it.

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    1. I agree, but someone made a good point that this guy may have been implying he was in the area at the same time Maura disappeared.

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    2. what about the two brothers that made snow and didn't show up for work that night maura vanished?

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  29. We have no idea how much money MM had at the time she disappeared. People described her as being very frugal. Maybe she spent months or years even stashing cash away. Just because $280 is what she took out of the bank, does not mean that is all the money she had. Someone needs to investigate her expenses. We know she did not pay for her phone. He dorm room and meal plan were also likely paid for by her family at the start of the semester. What about her car? Did she pay the insurance on that? How much did she earn from her jobs? I think one major problem with this case is that people start with a lot of assumptions. I do not assume, for example, that just because MM took $280 out of her account that day, that that is all the money that she had.

    Also, a lot has been made about the route she took that day. People contend that it makes no sense. Well, maybe for someone who was planning on disappearing for good, taking one last nostalgic ride through a beloved childhood spot is not all that non-sensical.

    Finally, so much has been made about the "phone call" MM got at work that made her so upset. IMO, I think we have gotten this entire situation totally backwards. The "phone call" was just part of the set-up to disappear and not have anyone notice for a few days. MM clearly wanted a supervisor to see how upset she was. This would be the set-up for everyone believing the "death in the family" story. I just find it otherwise VERY odd that not one person has been able to explain that call. That is because, IMO, there was no phone call. Or if there was a phone call it was about something completely unrelated. I think the phone call situation has really thrown people off regarding the timeline of this case. Everyone starts with the phone call at work because it seems to set off the chain of events that lead to her taking off. I think it is entirely possible that the chain of events which lead to her taking off started long before the mysterious "phone call." Very possibly Fred's visit simply interrupted her plan.

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    1. Thank you for pointing out that $280 is only the amount we KNOW she had before she went to the liquor store, and that frugal Maura could have been stashing money in her dorm room for months, either because that was simply her habit (for emergencies, perhaps) or in anticipation of a possible relocation to a new life. I've thought this forever and have wondered why people were so fixated on $280 as an absolute sum. Her not having a roommate meant that her room was a very private, lockable space; she could have had money tucked away all over the place there and no one would know. I also want to know whether Maura had a credit card. She must have known that $240, the amount we know she had post-liquor store purchases, would not get her far (lodging, gasoline, food) or for long up in ski country. A credit card as a fallback source would have meant she didn't need to carry a lot of cash. I know it's been said that there were no financial transactions by her after 02/09/04, but that doesn't mean she didn't have a credit card. If Maura's plans were turned upside down by the accident in NH, and something nasty happened to her subsequently, one would not expect an intelligent predator (and some are, very) to use her card.

      Not certain I agree with you about the phone call, but it's a point that should be considered. In a case with frustratingly few hard, confirmable facts, and so many people refusing to talk, it's inevitable that theories, speculations and assumptions, growing wilder and wilder, will quickly come to be seen as the "factual" bases for conclusions that are really grounded on air.

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    2. I guess the thing that always bothered me about the $280 amount is that it was supposedly ALL the money she had, yet she was always described as being "extremely frugal." I understand she was a student and did not work full time, but what were her bills? My guess is that all her money from work was basically "spending money." Thus, I do not think it is too far-fetched to suppose that she had more money stashed away somewhere. But, as I said earlier, I have no idea how many hours a week she worked or what her wages were. As far as I can tell, not a single journalist has asked either. Apparently, in a case where someone could have taken off for good, the amount of money they could have had on them is totally irrelavent. (go figure).

      I just have some questions still about the "phone call." Did someone actually observe Maura getting this call, or was it something she just told someone about? When people say she got a phone call "at work" does that mean she got the call on the work phone or her own cell phone? Was she alone at the desk when this happened? Did it happen on a break? Was there someone in the vicinity when she got the call? Did people work the desk there alone or in pairs? What was the conversation with MM's co-worker that lead to the supervisor being called? To me, these are all critical questions to solving this mystery and yet NOT A SINGLE "journalist" has asked them. They just always write "she got a call at work that upset her." Okay...not really a complete work of journalism in my opinion. I think at this point these details are crucial. They are so crucial in fact, that they may very well change the entire timeline. Whenever I have read an article about this case, the timeline ALWAYS starts with that phone call. I think this is a very stupid assumption. I am not saying it is wrong, but Maura's timeline needs to start YEARS earlier. I believe the "timeline" for her disappearance probably really, truly started right around when she was busted for the credit cards. I think the plan to at least "get away for a while" started before the work phone call. I think the work "phone call" being a set-up for the "death in the family" story makes a lot of sense. It makes more sense than any other theory I have read. Think about it: taking off from work is a bigger deal than skipping class for a week. You can just email profs that you won't be there. In fact, you probably could just leave without saying anything at all. But skipping work is another matter. You cannot just not show up without someone getting suspicious and worried. Hence, the big crying scene. Now MM does not even have to call work. She merely has to write an email. Her supervisor will put two and two together and will simply connect the upsetting phone call with the death. No questions asked. No phone calls. Nothing. It's pretty brilliant really.

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    3. Fact is Maura withdrew $280 from her bank account which all but wiped it out.

      Fact is her father visited her and was with her just one day before she withdrew her money out of the bank. (he is the one in interviews that has implyed that maura didn't have a lot of money). He would probably know that fact (know what her money situation was) being that he was with her just a day before she went missing.

      Fact is that mystery phone call Maura received at work the thursday night before happened almost three hours before maura was found upset. the phone call had nothing to do with maura being upset (when maura was found by her supervisor at the front desk, maura was not on a phone at all). the media has twisted this fact for many years, because the original police investigation carelessly implied (after reviewing phone records) that a phone call must be what caused maura to be upset). So the police said a phone call led to maura being upset, the media ran with it and the only phone call they knew about was the one from 10-1020 p.m. so therefore they made the assumption that is what police were meaning. As noted on this blog, maura's supervisor discovered maura upset somewhere around 1 a.m. to 1:15 NOT 10-1020 p.m.

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    4. I have never thought of that before but you could be right. Maura had covered herself in school by emailing her tutor but there has never been any mention of her contacting her employer to say she would be away for a week. Maybe all the upset of Thursday night was just a ruse so that when she didn't turn up for work the next week her supervisor would think there was a connection.

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    5. This blog post of Mr. Renner's from Nov. 22 has a screenshot of a portion of Maura's cell phone bill on it. During the time of her breakdown at work, there is a phone call from 12:07 am.
      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/11/who-lived-in-new-city-ny.html

      In a later post this past January, Mr. Renner determined that Billy Rausch was the owner of the phone number.
      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-city-number-identified.html

      So it seems Maura did receive or make another phone call that evening much closer in time to when the Supervisor saw her distraught. Whether that phone call did in fact lead to Maura's behavior is, of course, speculation, but it definitely is a possibility.

      It sure would be interesting to know what made her upset, fake or not.

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    6. Jenny

      Yep, you are right. maura made a phone call that lasted seven minutes to (most likely) her boyfriend Billy.

      But, she wasn't discovered by her supervisor until an hour later.

      So is maura still upset an hour later from a seven minute phone call to her boyfriend (I guess its possible)

      what is shameful about this whole thing is that Billy's mom would know right away about this phone call and yet she suspiciously allowed the media and even police to assume that a phone call between maura and her sister is what made maura upset. She could've at anytime pointed out the 12:07 phone call to the investigators or to the media. She was the one who dealt with the phone bill.

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  30. Maura sent an email to her professors and her work (which was not the security desk), but rather an art gallery she worked at on campus.

    My take on her email saying she would be gone for a week because of a death in the family, was simply that she wanted to get away and not have any of her family notified too soon. (so she has long enough to complete whatever task and destination for herself, she had in mine).

    If Maura hadn't left an email warning of a death in the family and just left without telling anyone. It would take just a day or two before her bosses or her professors would be calling her family to find out where she is. A death in the family being reported, prevents her bossess and professors from worrying about where maura is for an entire week (which is long enough for her to complete her mission).

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  31. I still argue that neither Fred nor the police knows for sure how much money Maura had on her. Just because the withdrawl wiped out that particular account, does not mean she did not have cash in a shoebox somewhere.

    Maura did email her work supervisor to let them know of the "death in the family." Have you ever tried emailing your boss to tell them you won't be at work for a few days? Of course not. That is why I think the break-down at work was so critical to Maura. It gave her a way to email someone she would normally have to talk to in person or over the phone.

    I think Maura was setting things up so that she would have a couple days head start. She had a single dorm room, and, in fact, several people who lived on her floor do not even remember her. I think she felt that if she could call a few people on Monday afternoon, they probably would not REALLY start to worry about her if they did not hear from her until, say, Thursday.

    Look, I could be totally wrong, but I think it was sloppy of the police and the journalists to make all these assumptions.

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  32. This is very disturbing, I have no idea if it will go anywhere. However, if you want a creepy character, in the very amateur video of the ride to music there is a name silkyboxerz with numbers below it. This is one of the strangest individuals ever. He or she had been making the strangest posts ever in New Hampshire. He or she disappeared. White Mountain Community College is still a very stong source of possible information. Some of their students from Woodville were on that road.

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  33. In an effort of thinking outside the box...how do we know Maura was even in the car? When was the last time she was "seen" by someone who knew her, in the saturn? The police report first states that a "man" was seen inside the car at the scene of the accident smoking a cigarette, the second report says it's a female wearing a dark coat and jeans.....

    I know...probably way off....but what if....

    What if someone else was driving the saturn to "stage an accident"....it was reported that cadaver dogs could only pick up her scent up to 100yds from the car. So what if she was driving a different vehicle and picked that person up w/in 100yds of the scene? At that point stuffing a rag in the tailpipe makes more sense from the viewpoint of 2 people trying to stage an accident, rather than one injured, intoxicated 21yr old stuffing the rag up the pipe herself....yes?

    speculation only...and again...just trying to get "out of the box"

    GBN
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    1. GBN,

      The witness who first saw maura has made it clear that she had never told 911 dispatch that she saw a man smoking a cigarette. So that rules that out. She has clarified that point on this blog earlier.

      Also, the first witness wasn't the only witness that saw maura. there was a house even closer to the wreck where a guy was witnessing the activity around the car and he noticed a single female by herself.

      Also you have the school bus driver's account, as he approached the accident scene and then you also have video proof that maura was alone from earlier that afternoon (from either an atm transaction or her stop at a liquor store) that police have confirmed.

      Nothing points to there being more than one person at maura's car and nothing points to the wreck being a staged incident.

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  34. The Missing show showed last night and I have been reading since. I thought she had one of those pre paid phones. I have had those, and so there is no bill. You pay for time and when it's up it's expired. Nothing left. Unless it's a different kind and a different set up than mine. also I understand all these phones allow a call for 911. Unless a battery is dead. If she could call her boyfriend why not 911. And thats when morse code could help if you knew it if your gagged.
    Also, I thought the show said that she and her father hiked alot.So she would be an experienced hiker and woodsman. Not stupid.

    I wonder if anything was marked or bent in that book.

    I think it is good that there has been these websites and posting, If she and abductor on the run or even locally, then it helps to keep the word out there. Last night if that is when I saw the show and not the night before that, was the first I had heard of her missing. And I hate a cliff hanger so got caught up. I say good, keep the posts coming, it can only help. Along with commenters ideas. I am learning and catching up as I read the comments. sorry to comment so much.

    Also agree with the comment about the phone call and why it had to be set up. Unless there was something else.
    What was it, were those supervisors vague with authorities. ?? Was she vague with them?

    jo

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  35. I always wondered, what did the locals think happened to her? I guess it would be good to get an opinion from people who actually live there and are aware of other residents there.

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