Thursday, February 9, 2012

Is this the Creep?


For years, there has been an ongoing conversation about Maura Murray's disappearance on the Franconia, NH Topix page. One of the frequent commenters there is a fellow called "Beagle." Beagle has said a couple times that he was questioned in Maura's disappearance.

Here's a copy of his user profile pic. There are some similarities to the Creep. What do you think?

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  1. It's Beagle. No doubt.

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  2. I watched the video last night before he deleted it and the teeth in the video and the teeth in that profile picture look similar to me. Looks like the same crookedness from what's visible in the profile picture.

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  3. looks like one in the same to me. The ears and nose (bend to left). I would definitely investigate.

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  4. I believe it to be too. The bend/angle in the nose looks very similar.
    I pray there is 'more' going on behind the scenes this morning.

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  5. Agreed. The ear is identical.

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  6. the shape of ears don't change no matter what else happens to your face because of time or lighting or whatever is going on

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  7. yea indent around cheek the same as well as ears its the same person a little older in age and a darker picture

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  8. All the worst people eventually make a mistake, usually nobody notices. This guy and this situation gives me the willies, not to mention he asks on the site:

    "Suppose a POI goes with the 5th? And there's no body, right? Would that stall things out if there's no confession, no physical evidence?

    Can someone be charged with murder in NH if there's no body?"

    Did Maura's abductor just make a big mistake?

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    1. I believe the question is not exactly whether the conviction is possible, but whether the lack of a body imposes greater requirements on prosecution of the case. Once a case is before a jury, all that matters is whether the elements of the crime are proven to the jury's satisfaction (notwithstanding the judge setting aside a guilty verdict if it is so erroneous that it contradicts the law, but that is very rare.) Murder includes elements like (1) a dead person, that (2) the defendant killed, with (3) the premeditated intention to do so. The body is an artifact of proof of an element of the crime (that the victim is dead). The law school hypothetical would be an arrow that 100 nuns testify decapitated B, which has B's DNA on it, even though the body & head were dragged away and never found Plenty of proof hat the victim is dead, even with no body. I believe no state bars or restricts such a conviction. Reasonable juries can determine that the victim is dead without a body.

      Of course, with no body, evidence that defendant killed the victim (and of premeditation) may be difficult to develop. But same argument: elements of the crime that if proven by any means are sufficient. (See, for example the conviction of Delaware v. Thomas Capano for killing Anne Marie Fahey, whose body was never recovered. The testimony of Capano's brother that he had helped Capano dispose of the body in the Atlantic Ocean persuaded the jury that Fahey was dead and that Capano killed her).

      The real issue is whether conditions exist, statutorily or politically, on the DA to prosecute a murder case without a body. There could exist a statutory showing that is required of the DA. Or the she/he might be required to get a grand jury indictment (in essence prove to a jury of peers that he has a legitimate case, so that it is the grand jury instead of the DA deciding whether to prosecute.) Or she/he may not be willing to prosecute without a grant jury indictment. A DA often does this route to protect her/himself. If a jury of peers says no to prosecution, he does not have to put up with media heckling for not prosecuting. Conversely, in a trial it protects him from pro-defendent hecklers claiming that the prosecution is politically motivated so he can just "get a conviction."

      This is critical in the following respect: a grand jury raises the stakes for the DA in pulling the trigger on a prosecution. It is complicated from multiple perspectives to bring a second case before a second grand jury for the same crime. Double jeopardy does not attach to a grand jury decision, but public opinion can be swayed by one and and thus absent a striking piece of new evidence, there is an air of "didn't we already do this" around subsequent grand jury proceedings. The worst case is to get a grand jury no then find the body.

      As far as I know, however, there is no state where a prosecution or conviction without a body is barred, per se. The body is compelling piece of evidence of an essential element of the crime (that the victim is dead), but there are other ways to show that. It also can yield evidence that the defendant killed the victim (and even that the defendant acted with premeditation) but these too are simply elements of the crime that can be proven without a body. In essence, the far bigger issue without a body is the DA's tricky position and resulting possible hesitance to prosecute.

      ~ John Green

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  9. Anyone know of what sorts of things he wrote on the message board? This very well could be just some troll, but wow does it seem odd that anyone would want to draw attention to themselves in this way.

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    1. I was never involved in the Topix post, but I have read excerpts from his posts sent to me by others. I know that, for example, he once wrote a very long thesis that UMASS researchers killed Maura to harvest her ovaries or DNA or something like that. He has had other crazy theories. He is the type who will take some credible topic in a newspaper, then draw incredible, but sometimes intelligent sounding connections (often on false information) to Maura's case. But inevitably - in the posts I read - he kinds of spins out of control. I have also heard he was reviled by many posters, but there were some who formed this bond of support with him. I'd be interested to hear more about his online demeanor from someone with the misfortune to have actually dealt with him on a blog.

      I tell you, I probably find insult in things as much as anyone, but I am VERY slow to anger and believe that anger itself is a form of violence, requiring of the civic minded and spiritual person efforts to practice tolerance and management of. But right now, I have some degree of anger that were Beagle near by would not be good for either of us or anyone.

      ~ John Green

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    2. Hi, this is "Paris". I go by "just me" now, or linda.
      In July of 08, I told Beagle to forget about something.....that I was going to feel how I felt no matter what.
      He took me wrong and swung me around like a rag doll. I have to admit, it deeply affected me, because he really singled me out, calling me names, belittling me. Later, when I could be objective, I could see where he could take me wrong. I admire Beagle. I think he's a sly fox and there's nothing wrong with that. I envy his wonderful writing skills too. If only I had his ability with the writen word, grammar too.

      I doubt he could hurt a fly though. JMHO. I've heard him say things at times that make me feel I'm right about that. I think he wants to know just as much as anyone what happened to Maura, and I'm happy he stays around and continues to post.

      Some people have really laid into his online persona and taken it to a personal level. He's been accused, or asked if he killed Maura Murray. If anything, he's being framed. He used to post on Youtube under the name "storagehead". Not sure what all it was but some was to try and connect Molly Bish and Maura to something bigger. I think he's smarter than just about anyone I know. If it is him doing the Happy anniversary bit, he winks at the end. Maybe this is his creative way of saying "up yours, from yours truely" Many have tried to push this man over the edge. Vandalizm too. Not cool at all.

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    3. Listen, admire this man all you want, this is just NOT normal. Even if all your hypotheses were true and he indeed just wanted to find Maura, and he was intelligent, witty and merely sought to defy his ill-wishers, this video still implicates him in a certain way. I'm talking about the one in which he laughs like a maniac more so than any other he might have posted or anything he might have said. Not to mention he did ask a hell of a lot of questions on forums that would justify his being questioned by the authorities and a finger of blame being pointed his way.
      Hitler was extremely intelligent, knowledgable, resorceful and well-spoken too. Didn't make him right.

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    4. Paris, my apologies at the outset, but what that man posted is one of the cruelest things I could imagine doing. Moreover, I have read his posts. He is NOT a good writer. He is not articulate. He does not have a great command of the essential style principles of English. But most of all, he is utterly unable to move from a premise through a developed argument to a point without running wild on some tanent. But most of all, he is just mean and incredibly self-involved. He is either a portrait of mental illness running wild, or simply a jack ass. Your post is very hard for me to accept as is. I mean you can think what you want, but I have to tell you that what you have written seems almost surreal to me.

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    5. He wrote about pharmacutical companies involved with UMass Amherst having killed her for having info of some sort. I thought of him a nut. I ignored him.

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    6. *SO* agree with Anonymous 06:45!!

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  10. I also believe it to be Beagle and this video is very similar in style to others that he had posted a few years back on YouTube and then took down and closed the account...perhaps others remember those videos as well.

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  11. I find it extremely hard to believe anyone who was actually complicit in any way with Maura's disappearance would take the risk of exposing themselves this way.

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  12. May be he has had enough after 8 years and wants to be caught.

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  13. This is what I hope.

    Maura is alive and aware of this blog. She decides to come back to Amherst and clear up the legal issues around her and puts them behind her. She's 30 now, if alive, and - if some suggestions are to be believed - doing well in Toronto.

    After that, she sues Beagle for intentional infliction of emotional distress. Because her recent years must have been tough financially.

    Then she sits down with James and gets her story told in full. Because lots of people are suffering like Maura possibly was .... and scared .. and her story - the good, the bad, the indifferent - told in the light of the truth could help others, and help her to move on in life by just getting it out there.

    All of the last few days of STARTLING revelations has only increased my compassion for Maura.

    James, as I said already, aside from being a writer doing your job spectacularly well, you are doing a great civic good and I thank you for it.

    ~ John Green

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    1. Sues Beagle for emotional distress why though? Because he suggested she was alive before on the forums? Because he (like many of us) kept talking about it and kept it on the radar?

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    2. Beagle was around and posting on the Topix forum as recently as yesterday. If this is NOT him, seems logical he'll soon come forward to clear his name.

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    3. Yes, Catherine, that was my question exactly. On what grounds would she sue Beagle?

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    4. It might be hopeful, but on principal, if I practiced up there I would take a case from Maura Murray or her family for intentional infliction of emotional distress. It is a recognized cause of action. It means you committed tort in the form of wantonly causing emotional distress through deliberate action. It is redressable via civil suit. It takes an extreme distress to get anywhere with it (because in theory you could win such a suit for zero damages). But a cruel and public hoax about Maura's fate could qualify.

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  14. check out Amherst mass Topix "Did U Mass researchers kill Maura Murray" This will give you more insight.

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  15. This guy is just sad. He obviously needs A LOT of attention.

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  16. http://www.topix.net/forum/city/franconia-nh/T0DQUJ4P593IE7SE6/p377

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  17. Wasn't there a witness sighting at a gas station saying the Maura was in the presence of an older man mouthing the words "Help Me?"

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    1. There was such a supposed sighting in a grocery or similar store -- as I recall it was checked out and debunked.

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    2. Yes, there was.

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  18. I think it is definitely the guy pictured. One of his posts on topix uses the word "dirtbag," which immediately got my attention. In addition, this guy's blog details how he rents a room in a boarding house and moved from the second floor to a small basement room (looks like where the video was filmed). In addition, other blog posts he has written detail the boarding house's red carpet and SEAFOAM GREEN WALLS.

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  19. He says "I get out of work well after dark and drive up the hill into Amherst to the college library to read and write until midnight or so, the same as I've been doing for the past three or four months." Apparently he was also a student there at some point.

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  20. In some of his Topix postings, it shows Beagls is from Amherst. In other postings on that site, from yesterday, it shows he is from Chicopee, MA. Here are links to show you.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/T0DQUJ4P593IE7SE6/p554 (he is VERY interested in the grand jury proceedings here)

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/T0DQUJ4P593IE7SE6/p560
    (seems mostly concerned with the previous searches for Maura here)

    Brian

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  21. I think I messed up on the links. They are:

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/T0DQUJ4P593IE7SE6/p560

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/T0DQUJ4P593IE7SE6/p554

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  22. Maybe. The hairline, laugh lines..and the somewhat triangular nose looks similar. It's a little bizaar for me to comprehend why someone would let everyone on the internet know he was questioned by law enforcement. Does this guy want to be found out, if that's the case? Does he have too guilty of a conscience. A lot of you are already classifying him as just attention seeking. How do you know he doesn't have anything to do with Maura Murray? Whatever the case or conclusion with this man may be... I still think it needs to be reported to law enforcement.

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  23. I also recall reading about a woman working at a gas station, she claimed she saw Maura with an older man, and Maura was mouthing the words, "Help me." I think this needs to be reported to law enforcement. Out of curiosity, how did you run across his youtube videos?

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  24. All this stuff just seems so distracting. One minute we're thinking maybe she's alive in Toronto, the next that she was killed by this joker. I suppose anything's possible. The BTK killer used to love sending taunting pieces of evidence of his crimes to the police until he was finally caught.I suppose anythings possible but of all the possibilities I still think the most likely is the simplest, she just died in the elements out there. Becky

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  25. Also on the blog he states " I checked in on the Murray Threads' interesting.

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  26. So Mr. Beagle posted some lengthy discussion about all the possibilities of the MM case on Topix in North Dakota. Interestingly, his first post IDs him as being in Sutherland, MA, while his subsequent posts show him in Silver Spring, Maryland.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/cannon-ball-nd/TUF51V2JM7FRMVD90

    ~ John Green

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  27. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/woodsville-nh/TTF8PLSCSOUGIFK4O

    THIS might be why he would do it, and maybe why they would ignore him.

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  28. I wonder if anyone from Amherst would recognize him, if he hung out there? Maybe, they have some insight on the weirdo.

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  29. Sorry if this is obvious, but would Mr. Freaky Deaky have driven past the intersection where Maura disappeared if he'd been en route to purchase the lift ticket?

    Maybe he'd been driving up to the slopes on the day of Maura's accident but was only able to purchase a lift ticket two days later because he needed time to properly hide her body?

    He's probably just a troll, of course---internets bring out the wackadoodle in everyone:(

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  30. Apparently this guy goes by Harmonica also. He has a lot to say.

    http://passingthroughtown.blogspot.com/

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  31. How do you know it's Beagle. And just what side is Beagle on anyway? I get the feeling he's trying in earnest to find MM. I don't buy it that he made that video. If I find out he did though, I would question his reasons. Does he have some kind of "lead" he's putting out there, for someone else to see?

    Beagle writes beautifully when he feels like it. Other times he must surely have his reasons to sound, and write differently.

    The video is surreal to be sure....we'll see what happens now that it's been shown on television.

    Paris

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  32. Gosh, on the one hand, this seems so ridiculously implausible, that a man would implicate himself in such way. (Supposing, of course, that he's guilty of something.)
    On the other hand, to me it's simply too much of a coincidence that this "Beagle" posts videos about Maura, lives where Maura used to live and attended the same University Maura attended. It's too much of a coincidence.
    And still I'm finding it hard to believe it's genuine.

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  33. yup That's what I always tought about him ^^. Because if you look at his post, He ALWAYS insist on the police to start their investigation in AMherst. That always struck as odd since he's from there. Almost like saying, "hey look at me". He also always insist on someone having maybe seen or stalked Maura starting in Amherst and well to me personally that's creepy.He is familiar with all the areas that we know of about Maura.

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  34. Paris,

    I am not sure how you can question that that is Beagle. There is vanishingly little room for doubt on the physical resemblance alone. This is based both on a human empathy/recognition capability/instinctive response which is very precise (see Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink), but also on a close analysis of the faces. Moreover, Beagle's recent flight from his customary Topix hangouts to other forums across the country, the way he has disguised his identity with other screen names and locations (such as Silver Spring, Maryland) on Topix, and then disappearance altogether from the Topix boards (when he realized how bad he looked and how many people were aware of and posting about what he did) to some degree corroborates the resemblance. But frankly that resemblance stands alone; it needs no corroboration. You seem to dismiss this very obvious conclusion, but offer no reasoning or basis for so doing. You just say "I don't buy it" in the face of the obvious fact verified by lots of detailed reasoning in lots of posts but multiple. Why don't you buy it? You cannot just, for instance, "not buy" that the Giants won the Super Bowl given that it is obvious they did. What supports your belief that the visually obvious - Beagle made the video - is not true? If we all are missing something, please do state it. I certainly am open to being corrected if I have overlooked something.

    In the same vein, having now studied lots and lots of Topix posts by Beagle and his blog, I will give you that he can write well at times, although I have repeatedly observed that he has a lot of trouble progressing a chunk of writing in a logical way to form valid points. He seems to assume that what is swirling in his mind is common knowledge, sometimes bizarrely so and I sense from his writing that he suffers from delusions in his mental illness, which makes me feel sorry for him. But could you please point me to some posts of his that support your "feeling that he's trying in earnest to find MM"? Perhaps the posts I have seen don't represent him well, but others I have not seen do? Please give me the links to some examples. Because - from what I have seen - he is mentally ill, prone to stereotypical tv show like far fetched connections and is most interested in bringing attention to himself via his obsession with Maura, regardless of the negative impacts on the progress of the investigation and in complete disregard for the feelings of the Murrays or anyone who cared about Maura.

    Finally, I must tell you that I think the suggestion that he may have made the video to put out a lead is ludicrous. It is so far out of domain of reason to say that, that it made me wonder whether you and your apparent blind faith in Beagle - despite the obvious - may suggest that yourself are Beagle.

    I would be very interested to hear read your responses to this. And if I have overlooked something that has falsely swayed my reactions and conclusions, I will be only too happy to admit it and apologize to you. But as it stands, I cannot understand why you are going to such irrational lengths to defend him.

    ~ John Green

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    1. "...Beagle - despite the obvious - may suggest that yourself are Beagle"

      The same thing occurred to me. Isn´t it more than probable he´s got lots of AKAs, why not even here?

      At the best, he´s a time-waster, and an evil taunter (re - horrible fake laughter video). At the worst - who knows?

      How can ANYONE claim those are clues, or that he is not showing ill intent, or...?

      The fake laughter video is extremely disgusting and horrifying. How anyone can claim he means anything positive with his "happy anniversary" is out of my cabality of comprehension.

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    2. John... well said. I agree with you 100%. Maybe... "Paris" is just "infatuated" with Beagle... or is in fact Beagle... or... an accomplice?

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  35. "AnonymousFeb 10, 2012 12:20 PM
    it's simply too much of a coincidence that this "Beagle" posts videos about Maura, lives where Maura used to live and attended the same University Maura attended. It's too much of a coincidence."

    Maura attended UMass Amherst. Beagle, regardless of whether or not he's the poster who made those videos, seems to have attended Amherst College--two different colleges in the same consortium and geographical area.

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  36. I agree with Paris. I did a search for "storagehead" on Google (Beagles blogspot blog shows his email address as being storagehead@gmail.com and his youtube account is called sotragehead, although he has deleted all his videos as of 2/7/2012 - this made me think he probably uses storagehead as another code name) and about 5 pages into the Google search, it shows the account that the XC Bretton Woods ticket video was uploaded to was storgehead's. That, to me, is undeniable proof that he uploaded the videos. Not to mention it looks just like him. Also, there are some other telling results to the search. Try it yourself.

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    1. Is the pic a picture of Beagle or someone else? Should check that out!

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  37. Anonymous 11:57. I think you are agreeing with John Green and anonymous at 11:37 (and others) but not Paris. Paris' post seems to be contrary to what you are saying. Up above a few posts, Paris is calling out people for assuming it is Beagle, saying without any reasoning that she "does not buy" that it is and extolling Beagles virtues as an earnest seeker of Maura and great writer. You might have been thrown by John Green addressing himself to Paris by name at the top of his post, as in letter format, which is not customary on this blog.

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  38. This post is for whiston/phillip, You were at one time going to meet Beagle. Did you? Is the pic of the so called creep (beagle) the person you met?

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  39. Looking at the background in the top photo above, it appears that the railing is at the same angle as the railing shown in one of the videos. I am pretty sure they are one in the same guy.

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  40. The profile of Beagle is definately the same guy that is in the rest of the creepy videos. Look at the background of his profile pic and his latest posting with the keyboard. same background.

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  41. Beagle and 112 are most certainly one and the same. The nose is the same, the ears, the hairline. No doubt in my mind that he absolutely matches this profile.
    JW

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  42. Beagle / Dirtbag likes making videos for Maura's missing date anniversay. The skull of a woman found on the side of the road in Danby, Vermont and was found on Feb 12,2012. Wonder if someone put the skull out for someone to find on Maura's missing anniversary. But No one found it until a couple days later?

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  43. It is the same man in all the videos. Same wall. Same railing for the stairs in the background.

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