Thursday, February 16, 2012

Who is R.F. Shannon?

In one of the Creep's latest videos, an antique stuffed bunny rests on the edge of what appears to be an old munitions box stamped with the above insignia. The camera slowly pans in to this insignia.

Many people figured this to be a reference to a chemical weapons facility in Maryland. The numbers stand for the Korean War-era detachment this R.F. Shannon was a part of.

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  1. Perhaps this is just a box that someone bought at a jumble sale? Beagle was always suggesting that there was a government conspiracy and cover up into Maura's disappearance with respect to large pharmaceutical conglomerates abducting people for body parts and reproductive experiments. Perhaps "bunny in a box" is a reference to rabbits used for cosmetic, chemical and/or reproductive research?

    Beagle often posted on Topix from Silver Spring, MD where the Institute of Behavioral Research conducted widely criticized experiments on macaque monkeys in the 1980s. Beagles are often bred in laboratories and used in live medical experiments. Perhaps the subliminal message he was trying to get across is that the government condones medical experimentation on both animals and humans?

    Ian

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    1. I agree completely! He probably found the box at a junk sale and thought it was a "sign" that it was meant for him to find.

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    2. Well said. The history you are providing is, to my knowledge, accurate.

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  2. Not sure who R.F Shannon is.

    Whoever this creep is, he is clearly disturbed and trying to get attention. He is the textbook definition of a troll. I'd say just ignore him.

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  3. It is very obvious that this guy has planned this in advance. This vidoe was put up the other day and he took it down asap. The Bodies of water video was taken while leaves were on the trees.
    Mr Renner, anything more to post from your Foi requests?

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  4. Army surplus. I agree with anon 1241. But I wonder James ... in the context that it appears the attention you are paying to him not consistent with your approach in general (in so far as I am familiar with them), I wonder if perhaps you have a reason? If so, I wonder if you could signal that reason. I must admit, this attention to him now seems pointless and in sense cruel.

    But I await further developments, understanding that my inklings here are circumscribed by a potential wide vector of lack of knowledge about your motivations.

    Best,

    John Green

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  5. This blog is losing my interest as more and more attention is paid to the "creep." Outside of the ski pass, which is a stretch anyway (I have an old ski jacket with passes Cromwell 2005 still hanging on the zipper, BTW) there is no tangible reason to believe this is any more than a crazy person seeking attention.

    AJD

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    1. AJD, I think you have said it very well. The "losing interest comment" resonated with me. I am not sure why this sensationalist direction is being pursued when at the seeming expense of the fruitful posts, thoughts and work before. I think I said this less directly than you, but indeed I agree. I am really wondering why James is investing so much energy in this, even after saying he would not. There is some fact missing from my sphere of knowledge - perhaps one that James has that I do not, or perhaps something about him that I am not exposed to - that would help me understand this.

      Bottom line: waste of time, feeding an obsession of a sick man spinning out of control, and maybe quite cruel in that respect.

      ~ John Green

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    2. Also AJD, I would buttress your last sentence thus: there actually is AFFIRMATIVE reason to believe that this man is EXACTLY a sick attention seeker. The police got numerous calls about the first videos. Fred immediately posted an unequivocating statement that this guy is irrelevant and sick. It is REALLY clear that the police have looked at him and found him irrelevant to this case. This is confirmed by the fact that LE could arrest him right now for the original two videos as they represent hindering an investigation/obstruction of justice and/or make him a possible material witness. They have not because it is not worth their time. Even if the charges did not stick, having a mentally unstable person under your control is GOLD for LE because he might say something stupid or confess. Thus there is A LOT of reason to think that this guy is irrelevant. AND if not, we'll know soon enough when the police move and should that happen, we can come back to it. Just like should Maura should show up in Nagasaki dancing in Cirque de Soleil, we can start in on that angle too. Meanwhile, Toronto looks an interesting place to look with actual reason to look there.

      I really hope this is not about James stirring sensationalism about his book. I cannot imagine that it would be, but I like you am finding - all or a sudden - less interesting stuff about Maura here.

      I am ... confused.

      ~ John Green

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    3. I feel the exact same way. I feel like the "creep" himself no longer struggles to make a connection between his vastly pointless videos and Maura's disappearance. He has created enough sensationalism (as Mr. Green rightly puts it) around himself that he can create any kind of nonsense now and expect many, many hits within so much as a day. I just can't see any indicative reasons as to why we're going along with it.

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    4. Glad I'm not alone! FYI, "Cromwell" was supposed to read "from" - darn autoreply ;)

      AJD

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  6. This guy is really taking the focus off of what is important. Maybe he is the guy that picked her up, but I doubt it. In fact, I am surprised anyone picked her up at all.

    Think about it. If you were the person driving along, would you pick up some stranger who you could smell alcohol on their breath? If the person is coming from the west, they would see her car, then her, and want to ask alot of questions. Remember that person would be just as alone as Maura Murray. They do not know who she is, whether she is involved in some type of crime with the vehicle, etc. They do not know her intentions once she is inside their car. So it almost certainly has to be some type of creep. That would at least give the most popular theory of murder some versimilitude.

    I tend to believe the bus driver killed her because the bus driver no matter what her plan could not have been planned. But there is still a part of me that for some reason thinks it is not a murder. I cannot get over running away from an accident scene but taking the time to pour out alcohol unless there is a reason. You would think her main concern would be to check the damage to her car, make sure it is off the road, and see whether or not it will start up again. I know the airbags would be a problem which support the idea the accident was unintended.

    This is a very intriguing case because it is so different from other disappearances. There is one final question that I always wondered after watching the Disappeared episode and that is why she did not come up with a better lie. When Atwood asks if she called police and she responds with AAA I could not understand why she did not say, "I called my girlfriend up the road and she called police for me. Thanks anyhow." Drinking does impair judgement and again, it supports it being bus driver because I think anyone else would want to know if police were on their way unless they knew they weren't. Theories like mine are always hindsight and hindsight is always 20/20.

    If it is anything other than murder or suicide, you really have to hand it to Maura Murray. She saw all the angles, well except for the curve. It was planned out to a T. But that is exactly why it is probably not a planned runaway. People do not go through that much planning to fool people. They just don't. It is that simple.

    Now I am going to listen to some Martin Solveig. That is my next mystery to solve...Why do I like this song?

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    1. I think the bus driver was just a witness. Maura was drinking wine while she was driving, which is one of the reasons why she didn't want police involved. She used the AAA excuse, because she didn't want the police involved.

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    2. Why would the bus driver killer her AND take the liquor bottles? He would have just left them there unless she had disposed of them at another location previously (perhaps a hotel room). Bus drivers have to have fingerprints and background checks. Unless he had never been caught before, he had never committed any serious crimes (if any) based on the requirements for his employment. These background checks are randomly re-run throughout your employment. I think it would be silly for the bus driver to come upon her accident, and decide to take her/kill her when he knew that police would come across her car eventually and search the local/surrounding area.

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    3. Let's not assume that if Maura got into a vehicle, it was occupied by only one person . . . two or three guys, maybe the worse for drink or drugs . . . wouldn't be the first time.

      We don't know that she poured out the alcohol. It could have fallen from her lap when she got out of the Saturn, or she could have dropped the soft drink container, hoping it would roll under the car and go unnoticed.

      As for the "better lie," I think we have to consider that Maura would have been in quite a state. She had probably been drinking, she'd probably whacked her head on the windshield and, after all, she'd driven to NH for reasons that seem to suggest she was a very troubled person before she ever left Amherst. It can be hard to think fast on your feet when the world seems to be crumbling around you.

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    4. Even if Maura hadn't taken so much as a drop of alcohol, she still would have been in a state - the second car accident in an alarmingly short span of time. In her place, I would have thought that this time around my parents were sure to be livid. And as she's sitting in her wrecked car, her brain working in overdrive to come up with what to do next, someone comes up to her wanting to call the police. She can't have that, obviously! I'm inclined to thinking that police was the only thing she was decided on - that she didn't want to call them. Everything else she was still working out. So naturally she says the first thing that crosses her mind - her AAA membership.

      As for the Butch Atwood theory, I am almost certain that this is a dead-end. Honestly, I wish this theory was dropped once and for all. Firstly, nothing in the man's demeanor suggests ill intention, only frustration at being viewed as a suspect for being a good samaritan and stopping to offer a hand. In an interview a few years after Maura's disappearance, Mr. Atwood was naturally quite resentful and said "I am never stopping again". He stopped to do a good deed, you see, and now everyone thinks he is involved.

      There were other witnesses to Maura's accident who saw it from their windows (as reported in Maribeth Conway's piece on Maura's disappearance) - and what they reported to have seen pretty much rules out Mr. Atwood - especially as once Maura had gotten out of her vehicle, she was alone and by that time Mr. Atwood had already called the police. As those on-lookers had already phoned beforehand, the first dispatch arrived merely three or four minutes after Butch Atwood's call to report Maura's accident.

      Whether Maura had gotten into a car, I don't know. Nor do I know what happened. But I am certain that "the bus driver" had nothing to do with Maura vanishing, if indeed there was foul play involved.

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    5. lets look at this through the eyes of a 21 year old. i am driving and drinking. I have an accident, AGAIN, whether from mechanical issues "The Rag" or my own lack of atttention. THe car comes to a stop, It has hit a tree and the air bags are deployed. The first thing i am thinking at 21 is if the cops show up I am arrested for DUI. I am getting the impression that she already can't meet her fathers expectations. So she gets rid of the bus driver by telling him that she is all set and called AAA. If I am her I am thinking let me get out of here for now. I can find an excuse why i left the vehicle later but at least then I will be sober and it was just an accident. She grabs her wallet or money, cell phone, takes the keys and locks the car. She starts to head down the road and would probably take the first ride to come along against better judgement but it would get her to a place where she can get sobered up and then figure out what to do about the car, etc. The Rag in the tailpipe? Did someone with ill intent put that rag in the tailpipe at her last stop knowing eventually she would breakdown, be following behind and they were the ride she took? or did she think to put the rag in the tailpipe before she left the vehicle thinking that would give her a reason the car malfunctioned? I don't think she would think that far ahead to put the rag there herself. Either way by locking the car she had every intention of leaving it there and walking away and the bus driver just doesn't fit. He know he has neighbors and the police are going to show up.
      I have one question? Where are her clothes? were any found in the car? Did she have a backpack that she might have grabbed when leaving the car? A girl doesn't go on a road trip without clothes?

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    6. Maura did in fact leave the car with a black backpack. I believe this was stated in one of the reports. (I'm quite sure of the information, I just can't tell you precisely where I came across it.)
      There has been so much focus on the alcohol that no one even thought to mention clothes, really. The fact that it crossed your mind says to me that you're able to look at the picture as a whole. Well done. :)

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    7. I may have this wrong, but I seem to remember that in "Road to Nowhere" (the I.D. documentary), Sharon Rausch said that Maura's textbooks, notebooks and syllabus were found in the Saturn, along with her running clothes.

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    8. That is true. The running gear, the textbooks, notebooks, even birth control, were all left in the car. But as Anon at 01:59 rightly said, when a girl takes a trip, however short, especially if it's a bit further away, she packs clothes - the actual clothes she intends to wear. Perhaps that's what was in that backpack.
      I might be wrong, of course, seeing as I can't remember where I found the information about the black backpack.
      But I for one find the fact that Maura left nearly everything she'd brought along in the car - kind of ominous. Backpack aside.

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    9. Does anyone know If The keys were locked into the car or with her ? That too says a few things.

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  7. I agree with the majority here, please stop posting about this guy. He is irrelevant to the case, and why do you keep giving him attention?

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    1. I agree wholeheartedly. I could go out on youtube right now and give myself the name... oh say.. dirtbag-112 and then name my video 'Maura Murray' and post something really cryptic. Then I get to get it discussed on this blog, and all this attention and lots of people wasting time trying to figure out what it means. Hee hee. What fun. (If there is just one poster, and if that poster is Beagle, and if Beagle was questioned by the police, it was probably just because of the one ski ticket showing he was in the area. That's all he's got.) PLEASE, Let's not give him any more attention here unless the police arrest him or he posts some actual hard evidence. Becky

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  8. I want to know what's with the creep. Nothing wrong with keeping us updated on him.

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  9. I've personally questioned the creeps involvement with MM for some time.Mr. Renner appears to be questioning the creeps involvement.Maybe Mr.Renner has more dots connected than we do.Lets hope he's on to something?

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    1. The Creep is a Troll. The Creep has driven interest in this case because he's crazy and had nothing better to do than make weird videos.

      I Find it absolutely horrible that this case is potentially being viewed by others as a Creep show and a laughing stock.

      Please, stop this insanity and Don't give this lunatic the attention that he craves.

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  10. One of the readers here made an excellent point as pertains to any sort of runaway theory. Why would anyone email their professors to tell them they would be leaving for a week? It is an excellent question because it shoots down any sort of runaway theory. Why would that really matter anyway if the person was planning on disappearing?

    I try to be a private person myself and the one thing I do not understand is why she did not leave a note? That is my advice for anyone who is going somewhere they want to keep secret. Leave a note. Hide it in your belongings. Put it under your mat in your car, but always leave a note. You can always destroy the note when you get back, but at least if something does happen, you can at least rest assured that someone might find it later and figure out what happened. That is what I would have done and I was only 8th in my senior class with an SAT score of 1050.

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    1. "It is an excellent question because it shoots down any sort of runaway theory."

      Not if MM thought, "Shit! I wrecked AGAIN! I am OUT OF HERE!" Especially in the frame of mind she was probably in....

      Not saying it happened, just saying it is still a possibility.

      Brian

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  11. Mr Renner,

    Just a request:
    Could we please go back to the subject at hand here, Maura Murray, and stop feeding the attention craving of the youtube poster.
    Just like a previous poster here, I´m starting to find your blog les and less interesting as of late.
    A great shame as you started out with such promise on your quest for Maura Murray.

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    1. I think it is a shame that some of you people are thinking so simply
      that you DO NOT REAlIZE that ALL, ABSOLUTELY ALL information in any
      investigation is important. At the moment, New Hampshire has a
      large number of unsolved murders, with The Connecticut River Valley
      Killer never caught, John William McGrath never caught, and Maura
      Murray's killer never caught, amongst many other isolated deaths.
      There may be clues in all the Beagle information that is valid to
      help solve more than just Maura's death, some of which JR may not
      safely be able to communicate to us. It is very important that JR
      let us know exactly what is going on for activity (Beagle stuff)
      or anyone or anything else. Let JR do his job and start realizing
      that her death may be tied into one or more of these other heinous killers. I think Maura would have wanted all of these
      killers caught, not just her's. Broaden your mental and emotional horizons. Reality is reality and it is not always
      pleasant. JR is not pushing this investigation in any one focus
      direction. He is being a competent journalist and exploring the
      information as it is presented to him. And for those of you who
      view Beagle as an attention getting nutter, you are probably right. But he may be an attention getting nutter who KNOWS something that could crack this case. Just because LE has not
      arrested him means nothing. They may be watching him closely. It
      would be foolish of them to cut off any avenue of information at
      this point. This blog is competently done. Stop criticizing it
      and help JR catch these psychopaths.

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    2. Okay, but we don't KNOW that Maura was murdered. True, it's quite likely that she's not alive, but she could have just gotten further away from the scene of the accident than anyone has imagined. Then, she may have gotten lost in the woods and died from the elements in a place no one has thought to look.

      MC

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  12. Absolutely anything and everything attached in any way to the MM saga is potentially important. Most of the things JR is following will prove to be irrelevant, of course, but there simply is no way to sort them out without investigating. More "reasonable" approaches have gotten us nowhere. -- Gnomony

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    1. Should we post eight years of Beagle Topix posts, which include such topics of how UMASS researchers killed Maura to harvest her ovaries. EVERYTHING is relevant right? And Beagle therefore must be examined.

      Is there any such thing as an opportunity cost in your mind?

      Should we ignore that we are feeding the obsessions of a sick man showing evidence of spinning out of control because the videos spur sensationalist wild speculations.

      Please also see my post below.

      ~ John Green

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  13. I tend to believe MR. RENNER is onto something. I trust his expertise on the matter. He's make strides in this case that others haven't attempted. Let's watch this unfold and see what happens. If this man, beagle was a suspect before, maybe LE knows something and Renner too.

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    1. Thank you for posting this view in a way that does not cast an argumentative tilt toward people who do not agree with you. While I disagree with you, your view is valid and you have stated it productively unlike some other statements of the same view. ~ John Green

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  14. James is writing a book, which requires a ton of time and effort and close inspection of everything. Whether we as followers of this blog like it or not, the fact that this creep emerged during Renner's investigative journalism has to be part of the story in some way and requires his attention.

    Because James is writing a book, that also means he has more information than we do; there's no way he's sharing everything on this blog. He's using this website as a way to allow people to come out of the woodwork; it's a way for him to let people know what he's doing so they can contact them if they know something about the case, or if they're observers and have an idea that might help.

    This mystery isn't going to be solved with the next blog post. Even the police may never solve it. This is a grind for Renner.

    A humble suggestion: Let's all try to have a little patience and let James captain his own ship here. If he's got a question, help him if you can. But who are we to tell him where to steer his reporting?

    Judge him on the book, not on a steppingstone to the final product. He'd probably tell us that a lot of these steppingstones lead to dead ends, but it's his duty to look as deeply as possible into everything.

    All that is just two cents being thrown into the wishing well from an observer who thinks Renner is doing a great job and that there are a lot of smart people following this case who can help him ...

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  15. R. F. Shannon - Lt Commander of Submarine HMS Olympus Western Fleet at Torbay, July 27, 1969.. Also a Psycology Proffesor at USF Florida in 1974 & Economics in the late 90s..
    Im guessing the 1974 version is what the "code" is..

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    1. Shannon ('74 vintage) did some work on organic mental disorders. Tay Sachs driven, adult onset dementia would be a subset.

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  17. Although I agree that "Creep" shouldn't completely overrun the forum, I think that he's MOST DEFINITELY a relevant subject of inquiry. Think about it -- he's clearly a sociopath who is obsessed with Maura Murray, and it is well-known that murderers often collect news clippings about their victims, or troll around on websites. I seriously hope that law enforcement is keeping a very close eye on him (though in this case, law enforcement seems fairly incompetent).

    -TJ

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  18. Something I have wondered is what the destinations where that she was planning on traveling to in Stowe and Burlington Vermont? The hardest part of any trip is usually finding the location within the city of the place you are going? Does anyone know? What she going to a specific college, friends house, etc? Why is there no specific destination within the places she was thinking about going to?

    Does anyone know for sure the box of wine was sitting on the rear passenger seat? If a person has an accident where they slam into something or put on the brakes you would expect everything would fly forward. The accident report only says the box of wine was behind the drivers seat so maybe it had slid off the rear passenger seat and was lodged back there?

    I still think most likely the bus driver did this. He seems like the only one with the amount of time to do this. People do not go to these lengths to fool anyone so even if it started out as a runaway it ended as a tragic accident and murder. That is why the email to her professors is so important. It did not buy her any time if a few hours later her car is crashed on the side of a state highway.

    What happened was she was drinking, crashed her car, and the bus driver or someone else grabbed her or she got into someone else's car who had ill intentions. For all her high SAT scores and IQ she really is not that smart of a girl. She does not research things or think things through before she does them. Her decisions are made on impulse like drinking and driving. I think if she were alive she would tell everyone the only people we are fooling are ourselves.

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    1. Anonymous 08:26,

      If you knew the facts as well as I do after having followed this case for several years, it would be pretty obvious to you that it´s extremely unlikely that the school bus driver had anything whatsoever to do with Maura´s disappearance.
      Just because the poor man was the last known person to have seen and spoken with Maura prior to her vanishing doesn´t automatically make him a suspect.
      He was observed by a couple of witnesses when stopping his school bus to speak with Maura and just a few minutes later he was on the phone to Haverhill PD reporting Maura´s accident.
      He was calling from his home just next to Maura´s crashed car and his wife/partner and mother was at home at the time.
      If nothing else the available time window is just way too tight to suggest any kind of foul play on behalf of the school bus driver.

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    2. Agreed with 08:18. Also, I think it's going a bit far indicating that Maura was "not that smart of a girl" who doesn't do research or think before acting. You can't possibly know that without having known Maura 'in life' (per se), and your judgement seems a bit too harsh.

      Firstly, (and this would also be clear to you had you been following the case) there is no conclusive proof that Maura was drinking and driving on any occasion. For however likely it might seem, we cannot allow ourselves to state it as a fact. I think we all agree that the presence of alcohol (or the lack thereof) in her system at the time of the crash was highly relevant to whatever happened next.

      And we all know that if something is repeated enough times, it becomes a truth (without necessarily it being so). Take everything with a grain of salt in this case - hard, solid evidence is, as many have said, scarce and unhelpful. Don't make them more so by jumping to conclusions.

      For all we know, Maura was plenty smart. I personally feel like she was a very bright person. But I know I might be mistaken, having never met her.

      Just really don't fixate too hard on anything and take everything with reservations. Don't be sure of the conclusions you draw and keep an open mind. That seems to be the best recipe for tackling cases like these.

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  19. Oh I forgot she couldn't have the police called cause of her drinking. This trip may not have happened had she not had a buzz? or drank as she drove? but why not triple A. Not enough money? for triple A? Insurance issues. Did she plan on abandoning her car to who knows what? if she had been able would she check on her car. Was the money she had on her still? or left in the car?

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