Monday, March 19, 2012

Phone Records Conflict With Fred Murray's Version of Events

Sprint provided law enforcement with Fred Murray's cell phone records Feb 20, two days before Fred's signed statement about his recollection of the events of the two days leading up to Maura's disappearance.

In his statement, Fred says he didn't learn of Maura's accident until after she got out of bed in his motel room at 10:30 Sunday morning. But according to this page of the cell reports, someone made three outgoing phone calls from his cell phone at five in the morning that day.

So are we to believe Maura returns to his room after two a.m. Makes phone calls from his cellphone. Sleeps in the bed. And he either doesn't know she's there or is unconcerned with why his daughter came back to his motel room in the middle of the night instead of sleeping in her dorm? Something about this is not adding up.

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  1. Would it be normal for the police to get a subpoena for the the cell phone records of a missing woman's father if he was not a suspect in her disappearance?

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    1. Yes, phone records of immediate contacts are often obtained, especially those who indicate attempts to contact the missing individual after their last known sighting. It does not in any way represent a POI.

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  2. Mr. Renner,

    It seems like I do not know what I am talking about. I tried to find the picture that I thought I saw of Maura wearing a Northhampton sweatshirt, but I could not find it. I just thought maybe I remembered some slip of the tongue by Mr. Murray which really does not mean anything. He could have been thinking alot of things. Mostly he just seems like a concerned father and whatever might or might not have happened(a verbal fight between him and his daughter) has little to do with what actually happened up in New Hampshire.

    The real question is whether Maura Murray is still alive or not. Theories are just theories without proof. It would be funny if this girl really did pull off some type of Kansas City Shuffle(which is a con). We all think we know what happened but only one person does. Everything else is just a mystery.

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  3. Did Fred give Maura a key card to get in to his hotel room? He must be an incredibly sound sleeper (sleeping through Maura coming in and making a 10 minute plus two five minute calls a few hours after that). I just don't buy it. I don't think he is responsible for whatever happened to her, but everything James has been unearthing seems to be pointing to him covering some sort of information up.

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  4. In addition, for whatever it is worth: were two of those calls actually a single 3-way conference call? Doing the math, the second call in the 5 am hour goes from 5:49:16 am to 5:53:56 am. The third goes from 5:49:27 am to 5:54:01 am. Did cell phones back then have 3-way capabilities? Sure looks like a 3 way call to me. Note that there also appears to be similar phenomena (2 overlapping calls) at 11:39 am, 6:11 pm and 11:26 pm.

    Also, if I am reading the statement correctly, Fred stated that he went back to Bridgeport on Sunday, arriving there at 3:30 pm. However, note on the bill that the the same three SID codes are the only ones that pop up on the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th (4106, 4108 and 4162). If we know we was in the hotel overnight on the 7th-8th, and in Amherst later in the day on the 7th (when those codes pop up), then do we not also know that he was in the same general area on the 9th and 10th (as those same codes continue to show up on the bill) and thus could not have returned to Bridgeport as he stated? (Same issue with the Repoll codes, which I believe also have something to do with tower location.)

    Am I missing something?

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    1. I recently saw a televised trial where the Sprint representative was discussing times for phone calls overlapping & he said that was a normal occurance--the calls didn't really overlap, it just was billed that way. Something about rounding up the phone calls.

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  5. I've always felt that Fred's reaction to Maura drunkenly causing thousands of dollars in damage to his new car was a strong impetus for her departure.

    An interesting question for me is which mystery is more intriguing? The motivations for Maura leaving in the first place or what happened to her after the "accident" along the way?

    The two are intrinsically linked, no doubt, and while each question for me is fascinating in and of its respective self when considered together they take on almost Rosebudesque proportions.

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  6. Have you noticed that there are quite a few overlapping calls? I assume they are either calls to another phone on the same account or conference calls. 

    First one happens immediately after the 10 minute 5:36 call and goes on for around 5 minutes (this is only 2 hours after the time on the accident report!). 

    More overlapping calls that day:
     11:39 - 5 minutes
     18:11 - 25 minutes
    23:26 - 3 minutes

    Regardless of what this means (if anything), there is no doubt in my mind that Fred found out about the accident around 5:36. Keep digging!

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    1. Apparently this is just an anomaly in the billing, and is quite common. It doesn't mean the calls actually overlapped.

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  7. Hi, it looks like only 1 outgoing call was made at 5:38 AM for 651 seconds. Then at 5:47 AM there was one incoming routed call that lasted roughly 280 seconds. This is going by the "Role" column in your scanned document. Someone called his phone at 5:49 AM after he/she placed a call at 5:38 AM.

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  8. maura made a phone call to her boyfriend billy at 4:49 a.m. that morning USING HER FATHER'S CELL Phone, as reported in the maura is missing series that was published in 2007.

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  9. Some is strange about that bill . Look at the second early morning call . Placed at 05:47:16 and according to the next column it lasted 200 and something seconds

    However the next call is marked as starting about 30 seconds later ( 05:47:(fourty something)

    So how can a call be started , last nearly 11 minutes and yet another call starts being billed a few seconds after the first

    Is this an error or maybe a three way conversation ( did that technology exist in 2004) , or is there another explanation ?

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  10. Okay scrap the last comment . I've looked more clearly on a bigger screen rather than an iphone

    The call at 5.36 am lasted 10 minutes 51 seconds and was an outgoing call
    the call at 5.49:16 is code labelled as routed call so I assume someone called the mobile and the phone was set up at night to route to another number so the caller called the mobile , was rerouted and spoke for 4 mins 20 seconds which was charged to the cell bill
    Then 11 seconds later the call routing must have been knocked off because an incoming call was received which lastest 4 minutes 14 seconds
    This is weird stuff

    I am with you that its a completely bizarre situation if Fred isn't phased by his grown up daughter coming to sleep over in his hotel , creeping in while he is asleep and then one of them making and receiving calls at 5am while he supposedly doesn't know shes there until 10am

    I wonder if fred has alcohol issues too - seriously who passes out until 10am and wouldn't notice another person who isn't supposed to be there coming into the hotel room

    Perhaps Maura knew she was drunk after the crash and headed to the hotel room out of panic and swiped his cell to make calls in the hallway

    I'd love to know who those three calls were to and from

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  11. Maura had left her cell phone at the party, as has been stated previously. It's also been stated that she called Billy in the early hours of the morning.

    It's therefore logical to assume (and depending on whether or not you have the redacted version, you may or may not be able to confirm this) that Maura called her boyfriend from her father's cell phone.

    No conspiracy there.

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    1. then why the cover by Mr. Murray if it's that sure of an assumption? Why lead everyone to believe that he was aware of the accident at 230am? if the accident happened and she went back to hotel at 230, why wait until 5am to call Billy? What did she do for 2.5 hours without her dad's knowledge? She sleep, wake up, call, go back to bed? She share a bed with Dad? Something is terribly amiss here.

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  12. Now would be a good time for Mr. Murray to sit down with you and do an interview. I doubt he will, since he has been shady from the start. I believe people watch the ID discovery show on this case and take his side. I wonder has he really gone up there every weekend to search? Also, has he taken a lie detector? Maybe he was so eager to get the records of this case to see if he failed or passed a lie detector. Maybe the one party intercept is something related to him? Who knows?

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    1. He won't, of course, because it has been such a tangled web and an explosion waiting to happen. Throw enough contradictions out there and confuse the public; play the blame game and accuse everyone and anyone of harming her while keeping facts held tight to the chest.
      My perception is that Maura's siblings know exactly what how their father reacts on a day-to-day basis, and they know exactly what his relationship was to Maura. Whether or not some incident triggered her leaving Amherst, only they can surmise or know. And he silenced her friends. Keeping secrets.
      Keep up your good work, James. Even if no clues are uncovered for law enforcement, the story will be told more accurately.

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  13. I don't think the "rerouted" calls are 3-way calls - I think that this is either a roll over to voicemail or a call forward function. Anybody know what rerouted means for sure?

    We know the police have these records - my guess is that there isn't a smoking gun here. Still, why were the police interested in Fred's records in the first place? What did Fred do/say that got them suspicious?

    Where there is smoke...

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    1. He was the last person, who saw her. Also, Maura used his phone.

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  14. My gut feeling is that the father was involved in most aspects of her life and that he knew exactly what her issues were. She, no doubt, had a pretty good handle on whatever his issues may be, too. That's how a family constellation works.
    He was in Amherst in a motel room with her, and shortly afterward she takes off without explanation and is missing for 8 years. It doesn't matter whether 100 people believe or disbelieve him, but I happen to suspect he has some clues about the circumstances leading up to her leaving, and increasingly wonder if he was, in some way, directly involved in participating or creating those circumstances.
    He discounted all aspects of her life at Amherst, and he wanted the car crushed. And more.

    For all the kicking and screaming to prevent this discussion, the whole picture is becoming more suspicious with each revelation.

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  15. The first call around 5 am was an incoming call.

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  16. Hi all,

    I'm sure everyone has seen this but just to keep the accident location fresh in everyone's head.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=207352764226113736997.0004bbafbd294ca963ce1&msa=0&ll=44.119041,-71.93625&spn=0.001558,0.002411

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    1. No, I hadn't seen it as I am new to reading about this case. In case anyone is having link issues, the address is 270 Wild Ammonoosuc Rd, Haverhill, NH 03785

      What the map should remind everyone is that the theory (purported by Fred) that she was abducted in ridiculous. A car crashes in a remote area and someone very malicious happens to be in the area at nearly the exact same time. (The cops showed up about 1/2 hour after the accident was reported).

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    2. The abductor could be following her & even the one who caused her accident. It doesn't have to be random, but random occurrences like you imagine have happened in abduction cases before.

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    3. Not in this neck of the woods, believe me. This area, take it from someone who lives there is actually very remote. Haverhill doesn't even have a grocery store

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  17. Can anyone explain to me how the Police knew that she left with a black backpack from the accident scene. I've researched quite a bit but couldn't stumble across how they knew this. Was it in the ATM video?

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  18. It looks suspicious if one does not have the information that LE has about who made what call, to whom, and when.

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  19. Forgive me if this has been posted already, but I recall hearing several times that Maura called Billy to tell him about the accident in Dad's car - FROM FRED'S PHONE. So perhaps that explains those entries on the Sprint report. (Of course, I find it to think that Maura let herself into Fred's hotel room, used his phone to call and speak with her boyfriend, then got into bed - and Fred slept through it all. Perhaps those two nightcaps at the brew pub knocked him out cold. That's some strong beer.)

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  20. I'm confused about the Billy angle here and the timing. I thought she found out Billy was cheating on her and left a note indicating such on her packed belongings before she left. Why would she be calling him, and especially with Fred's phone, as others have suggested of the 5 am phone calls? I thought Maura had her own phone that Billy's mom paid for. Why did she need Fred's? Could it have been Fred that called Billy?

    As for Maura returning to the hotel room, it seems that it was for some desperate purpose. To leave a close friend in the early morning hours from what I assume was their very own dorm is very suspicious in itself. And for Fred to suggest that he had no knowledge until much later in the morning raises even more red flags, especially since earlier posts suggest the room only had one bed. What could possibly been going on that night that prompted Maura to get back to Fred's room at 2 am without waiting until morning?

    Another thing that is hinky to me is that Fred does not recall if he accompanied the girls to the liquor store that night? Certainly he should have remembered that detail! Given that his car was crashed, he would have known if Maura was drinking. Why did he even give her the car that night, if so?

    Also, if her car was so unreliable, why didn't he give her the loaner??

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    1. There are tons of legitimate reasons for her not wanting to be in her dorm. Maybe there was a lot of partying there and a lot of noise and she just wanted to rest. Maybe she was lonely since she had a single room. I used to leave my dorm room all the time because the neighbors smoked and the smoke would come in the vents and under the crack in my door. I am extremely allergic to smoke. I think Maura wanted to go back to talk to her dad or check on him in his hotel room for some reason. I don't know the exact circumstances of Maura's relationship with Billy, but if he dumped her, she may have been calling him repeatedly in an attempt to get back together with him. I know that I've done that many times when I was dumped by a boyfriend. We have to consider that Maura broke up with Billy before that weekend. She told her dad that she was upset that she had broken up with him and that's why he came to visit. Or maybe as another person posted, she wanted her dad to meet a new boyfriend.

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    2. 70 percent or more of what is posted here is reaching.

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    3. Nobody is allergic to smoke. Proven fact.

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    4. Dorms are crowded, noisy, cheaply built with thin walls & you have to share bathrooms with a bunch of other sloppy drunk young people. There are TONS of reasons to prefer staying in a hotel with your family rather than stay in your dorm room, if given the option. It doesn't have to be interpreted as weird for a daughter to want to hang out with her father.

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  21. Mr Renner, Will you explain the sid #'s etc and what it all means? Please? Thank You

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    1. The SID is your cell phone carriers' FCC code. i.e Sprint, verizon, AT&T etc. It has been stated before that we already know that she called Billy from Fred's phone at 5 AM-ish. The next 2 entries at 5:47 were probably Billy calling her back and getting her voice mail.

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    2. But doesn't the code also have a geographic component? I see NY and NH SID codes on the documents - even on 2/9. Am I wrong?

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    3. What is the NH SID code? tia

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    4. (0)4106 is Southern New Hampshire.

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  22. the idea that the relationship between Maura and her father is "suspicious" is absolutely ridiculous !!!! My daughter and her father had a very close relationship while she was in college. If there were isues worrying her, he would drive or fly the 4 hours to see her every time and help her think things out.Just like Maura, my daughter was extemely private regarding personal relationships at school. In fact she was fanatical regarding her privacy...so to me maura's behaviour is not so odd. What is odd is how far individuals are willing to go to invent hypothesis that are probably far from the truth. I have posted 3 times regarding a question that interests me very much but my post are never posted. Thanks.

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    1. Then why wait 2 years to be interviewed by LE? Why bring lawyers? A lot of parents are close with children. But 230 am drunk sleeping in same bed close?

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    2. To assert a possibility and dismiss one completely as "ridiculous" both require evidence. Thus I ask, what evidence have you to say that suggestions of a suspiciousness in Fred and Maura's relationship (meaning that suggestions exist that there was something strange and still unrevealed that was going on or that transpired) have NO merit and ridiculous. I see enough evidence to say that such an idea at least merits consideration and is not ridiculous. The hypothesis is not invented but follows from Fred's actions and statements or lack thereof. But a hypothesis is not a fact ... it is an idea for testing against other facts. To dismiss a hypothesis as ridiculous and not worthy of consideration you need facts and reasoning. What are your facts and reasoning? The comparison to your daughter and her father seems not relevant at all. There is nothing you state about them that makes them at all comparable to Fred and Maura.

      ~ John Green

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    3. James does not publish all comments, but that doesn't mean they are not read or considered. Perhaps he wants to use your idea or answer you question when he publishes the final book :-)

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    4. I'm fairly new to reading this blog, but it was clear to me from the first that it was unusually reflective and civilized in tone. Here, calling other people's ideas "absolutely ridiculous !!!!" is a bit of a slam. How your daughter and her father related was, well, how THEY related, and isn't necessarily a universal truth, the best and only way to be.

      James once published one of my comments and then said it was "RIDICULOUS," in caps, no less. But it's his blog and he gets to say what he likes, how he likes. Funnily enough, a few other people responded, disagreeing with him. He sometimes doesn't publish my comments, either, and I never know why, but if yours are angry and dismissive, maybe that's why in your case. People here seem to try very hard to be polite, respectful and non-confrontational about other people's views. It works well!

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    5. What makes things suspcious is his constant insistence that the circumstances before she disappeared "don't matter". They do matter. Investigating any disappearance requires that the lead-up to event be thoroughly investigated, with no stone left unturned. It is thus very odd for him to insist that it "doesn't matter".

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  23. TOTAL Hypothetical here.....(and sort of off-topic)

    So supposedly Maura was upset because Billy had cheated/had a history of cheating. I've wondered if he cheated on her with her sister; could explain the crying and saying "my sister" during her breakdown at work. Also could explain everyone's reluctance/forgetfulness about disclosing what the phone call was about from her sister. Also, why the father is so tight lipped about anything before the disappearance. He wouldn't want to explain Maura's problem by incriminating another daughter. Billy was at West Point with one of her sisters, and certainly would have had the opportunity. Just a thought...

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    1. I've often thought this too. Although it would be pretty difficult to prove. I had heard that Billy cheated on Maura with a *friend* of her sister's. There had been actions on Maura's part that would out of place given the situation you outlined. She had emailed him, called him, etc. She brought a stuffed animal Billy gave her on her final trip, I doubt she'd want a reminder of Billy in her face if she was angry/depressed about him sleeping with her sister. It does explain why the family would be so tight-lipped, though.

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    2. When Maura told her teachers that htere was a death in the family maybe she meant herself, cryptically implying she was going to commit suicide.

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    3. I read somewhere that her sister was deployed overseas when this happened but that aside this seems a bit off track. The email/note was an old printout and even Sharon admits that billy and Maura had issues in 2002. There's nothing other than speculation to say anything happened since. And I agree that you wouldn't take a reminder with you. Also the email she sent him earlier in the day was a loving email. Not one you'd send to a cheater. So .... I have a possibly more off the wall idea. Bear with me: what if she knew she wasn't going to come back. Knew that she couldn't check her emails ever again. Would she have printed out all her favorite emails from friends family lovers etc as a memento then discarded the few she didn't want to take (such as one where she rows with her boyfriend)? Also did she take her favorite photos? I would have and I'm sure she would have too. James do we know if there were photos among her stuff in the dorm room? She must have has photos on her walls and I would like to know if she took them with her because if she did then that suggests she knew she wasn't coming back.

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  24. After really getting knee-deep in all of my research regarding this case it certainly seems to me that LE is playing the waiting game regarding a suspect. This happens all the time. They probably have a key suspect in mind but don't have enough evidence for an arrest. Some of these types of cases finally result in a suspect being brought in and questioned but then you don't hear anything back for years. I'm fairly convinced that Fred is simply a concerned father who is very upset in his perception of LE being more concerned about why Maura left or his relationship with her than in trying to find her. He doesn't "get" why this would be important which leads me to believe that he wasn't involved with anything mysterious or suspicious. Just because Fred gave LE the old, knife and didn't hear anything back from LE doesn't mean they didn't do anything with it. I think they have a fairly good idea of who did what to Maura. Maura's 2 phone calls to the Condo and the motel/hotel reservation numbers really indicate that she was looking to stay somewhere and simply winging it. It was too late to get the condo and the reservation number wasn't working so she spent 5 minutes on the phone listening to a recording. I think one of the more credible witnesses is that guy who saw her running 5 miles away from the accident that night. Sounds like she probably never left the road and since she was already 5 miles away she was starting to freeze to death and ultimately accepted a ride. Being 5 miles away already gives plenty of time for an abduction. It doesn't take long in 12 degree weather and 2 feet of snow to freeze to death but I highly doubt that she left the woods and headed for the forest in jogging shoes. If she was outside for that long she would have accepted a ride from just about anyone to warm up.

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    1. I've thought this as well. After an hour or two in the cold and having sobered up enough to realize you did something rash, it's much more credible that Maura would get in the car with a stranger. And the map shows that a quick run down Bradley Hill Road would get her out of the way of the cops pretty fast.

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    2. I think you are right on. I think they defintely have a suspect. The police told the Court that there was a 75% chance there would be an arrest in this case. The facts are that is such an isolated place there would be no real witnesses and perhaps no DNA evidance. The major problem is that there is no body and likely will never be. What did that woman tell the police, her ex husband dismembered the body. Usually where there is smoke there is fire. MM was the victim of a sexual predator who had a victim fall in his lap. I think Fred even knows and that is where his Dirtbag comment came from. Problem is, it may never be proven and we will continue to search for answers.

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    3. No proof Mr. Forcier had anything to do with MM

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    4. @herm. No one mentioned Rick Forcier as being involved but it's odd that he made public comments/jokes about Maura being in his house and yet refuses to talk to Mr Renner.

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    5. Yea, I think you're right about Bradley Hill Road. It's so close and I don't think she would have stayed on 112 if she didn't want to be found. It really depends how drunk she was. I think that you are also right that in about a few miles into her trek she probably did sober up and realized how much of a mistake she made. On the map that road looks pretty creepy especially at night.

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  25. The weather wasn't freezing that night.

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    1. Depends what you mean by freezing. If you mean it literally, I think it was around 30 degrees F. that night, which is below freezing. If you mean freezing as in "cold," the way a New Englander thinks of cold, then no, it wasn't very cold.

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    2. Still cold enough to freeze someone to death. You can easily succumb to the elements in 40 degree weather, so clearly in colder you can too. It is also cold enough to feel awful pain after being exposed to it for a few minutes.

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  26. I think you have to look at one particular detail and focus on that as a way to solve the case like the detective in the movie, Seven. If there was one question I would ask it would be about the wine box. She has all this alcohol supposedly in glass bottles, yet there is no talk that I have read about her breaking any of the glass bottles. Yet she manages to damage a box of wine. I even read the bags used in those wine boxes are made specially to be heavy duty. Some people even reuse them. But that is not the question I would ask.

    I would ask one question to Sgt. Cecil Smith: Was that wine box really sitting on the backseat(after the crash)? That is the one detail.

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    1. Very good observation. If the crash was strong enough to deploy both airbags and crack the windshield, how come not the glass bottles?

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  27. Can someone explain how there is a 280 second phone call at 5:49:16 on 2/8/04 and a 274 second phone call at 5:49:27 on 2/8/04 without them overlappping?

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    1. Call waiting perhaps? I have kept people on hold for some time before returning back to the call.

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      I believe that "routed" indicates that the call was not a simple connection on the cell carriers network. What we are seeing is two records of the same call.

      I found something to support this explanation on the following page - http://people-vs-conradmurray.weebly.com/jan-6th.html. I realize that this is not a transcript but the explanation appears valid.

      The pertinent statements are
      • ***DEFENSE ATTORNEY CHERNOFF** defense atty asks what a “routed call” is- JS defines it as a call being “bridged”- this is the routed aspect, meaning when a person is not getting connected due to not being in a good service area, so the call is being “bridged” and you see both the routing taking place to help get the call actually connected and then once connected, the inbound aspect of the call kicks in, but it’s really only once call. No, person doesn’t know that the call is being routed- neither the caller nor the call recipient knows…

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  28. They had call waiting in 2004. So it's possible someone was on the phone and then clicked over(for lack of better term) to another call and left the person on the other end waiting. It's possible they were waiting for information on one side or had someone on hold and talking to someone on the other. I don't know the proper cell phone terms so I understand if my post is confusing. But the main point is back in 2004 you could have two people on your cell if you had call waiting feature.

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  29. On another note, why would Maura be that upset about Billy cheating if she was seeing other men. The track coach admitted to it and he said he found out Maura was with others while with him. I have known couples like this who just go back and forth with cheating. I can't imagine she would be that surprised or hurt unless it was with someone she knew really well.

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    1. Good point @8:51. Cheaters cheat. It was something much bigger to prompt her running from Amherst, IMO. But What?

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    2. Sometimes I believe too many of just overanalyze things or just lack or relateable experiences. It would perfectly normal, and likely, that Maura would be devastated that Billy was cheating even if she was doing the same.

      Unfortunately I can speak from personal experience. When I was in college I cheated on my girlfrien a couple of times. But i was hurt badly when I found out she cheated on me. She was at another school so my point is these scenarios happen a lot.

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  30. Only way Maura would be upset with Billy cheating is if he were messing with her sister or friend. But Maura supposedly had an affair with the track coach and other guys. So I believe it he phone call is the key to this case. It was traumatic enough to completely overwhelm her. Think about that for a sec. Usually cheating makes one angry . Besides, wasn't the email she put on the boxes in her room old? I dont know but I read that somewhere. Also, why take her dads insurance forms with her? Why not leave them in the room if she knew she was going to commit suicide?

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    1. I've never been convinced that Maura, when she left Amherst, had firmly made up her mind whether to return in a few days or keep on going, but I don't think suicide was top of the options list, if it was there at all. I think she was indeed traumatized and overwhelmed. She seems to have covered all her bases--packing up her room on the one hand, but also taking her textbooks, for example. I'm also not sure it's ever been confirmed whether Maura downloaded and printed the accident forms or picked them up at RMV. If the latter, she couldn't have got them before Monday, and may have done so on the way out of town, so they'd have gone with her regardless of what she had in mind for the future. You'd expect there to be surveillance cameras at the RMV, but I've never heard about Maura's image being captured there as it was at the ATM and the liquor store. Since she and her dad were to speak on the phone Monday night about the forms, she needed to have them. Had she made it safely to a motel, and had the phone call with Fred taken place, he wouldn't have known she wasn't in her room at UMass unless she told him, and I don't think she'd have done that, since she seems to have wanted to get away by herself (or, as some believe, with an as-yet-unidentified man, a new boyfriend).

      Statistically, men are more likely to express frustration and anger directly, by acting out angrily, while women often express it via sadness and tears, by acting "upset."

      If Maura was murdered, and if her killer was someone she knew, I think we need to return to the possibility that she was pregnant and that the guy wanted nothing to do with it.

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  31. I was raised by a single father and we have a fantastic relationship. Look, I'm not trying to insinuate anything, but... I would NEVER share a hotel room with my father. It's too bizarre and creepy and intimate.

    Take that for what it's worth.

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    1. Exactly. I feel odd boozing with my parents

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    2. Ditto and ditto.

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    3. That doesn't mean that everyone feels that way. We are talking about a family that went to cabins at resorts together regularly & were probably used to sharing rooms. Also, why are people saying Maura & her father shared a bed at a hotel? Is there some kind of proof of that? More often than not I have found that the room with a single queen bed & the room with 2 doubles is the same price & maybe that was the room type that Maura's father got. Or maybe it had a couch, as hotels often do, & Maura slept there. Maybe she slept on the floor, as drunk people often do. Or maybe, they were just not weirded out by sleeping with family members.

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  32. I think it is entirely possible that Maura went to her dad's hotel room that night simply because she was feeling sort of stressed and anxious and just "wanted her daddy." I remember when my mom used to visit me at college I used to spend the night at her hotel room a lot just because it was comforting. It is a stressful time for most, and it sounds like Maura was under a great deal of stress.

    I also do not think it is odd that she slept in the same bed as her dad. I'm a grown woman and if I had to sleep in the same bed as my own dad it would not bother me at all.

    Although I do think FM is leaving some things out, I really have to give him the benefit of the doubt on a few things and really question some of the police work in this case. I think it is dangerous to assume that the police were on the up and up when taking statements and documenting the timeline. Looking back on it, it is of course now obvious how much all these little details matter, but two days after the crash, I am guessing that the cops were not taking the case all that seriously. They likely just thought that MM was hiding out for a few days and would be back soon. So if FM said something like, "then we went to dinner, popped by the liquor store, and went back to MM's room," it is entirely possible that the cop just did not write down that middle part. To him it did not matter - the point was just that MM got back to her dorm room and Fred saw her there.

    We know now what we know, so if we could go back in time we would have asked lots of detailed questions and really pressed everyone for detailed answers, but back then LE likely thought they were dealing with some who was stressed out and just needed a few days. Likely their questioning had more to do with whether MM had a friend or a boyfriend she might be hiding out with.

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  33. I always thought that maybe Maura was going to see another man off campus during that first accident...she got drunk, decided to drive after the party, and then had the accident. Since her father was close by at the hotel, she went to him. And no, while some think it's weird to stay in a parents hotel room, I don't, I've done it before with my father.

    So, does anyone think that the packed boxes meant Fred was there to pull Maura out of school. Maybe there was a drinking problem/cheating boyfriend, she was too overwhelmed and he made the decision to take her out for the semester. If you do it that early in the year, you get the majority of your tuition back.

    He could have come for the car reason (never mentioning it to her friend Kate bc obviously it's embarrassing to have wrecked a car, possibly due to drinking, keep her pulled together reputation) but once the accident happened and she went to his hotel room, he had enough and said its over, you're coming home. Pack your things, which she would have done on Sunday. Fred didn't want to come clean to police with all of this bc he knew it would just look like she took off, which won't get police to search for her any quicker.

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  34. Why do people keep acting like 2004 was an ancient time and technology wasn't advanced. They had call waiting and 3 way calling in the 90s.

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  35. 2004 was not an ancient time and to Maura's family it has been a living hell since. I pray that this case will be solved soon.

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  36. People share hotel rooms with their parents all the time when traveling. This is not suspicious in any way to me.

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