Monday, March 19, 2012

Police Obtained Fred Murray's Cell Phone Records, Murray Statement Gives New Details on Last Weekend



Records obtained through a public records request reveal some new information about this unsolved disappearance.

I have a lot of questions about the purpose of Fred's trip to UMass that weekend. In earlier interviews, he has said that Maura had a car picked out. As we see here, that doesn't seem to be the case. Again, there's no direct evidence the purpose of Fred's trip was to purchase a car. Even Kate, who was with them that weekend, cannot recall the topic coming up.


According to this statement (which Fred provided on Feb 22) Maura slept in the bed in his hotel room the night of her first accident. Fred didn't formally sit down to be interviewed by homicide detectives for another two years and when he did, he brought two lawyers with him.

It also seems like Fred accompanied Maura and Kate to the liquor store, though it's unclear if this was when/where Maura purchased her liquor that was found in the car after she disappeared. In fact, he changes his statement about this while dictating it.

You will also see cell phone reports obtained by law enforcement from Sprint for Fred Murray's phone. It's very telling that these reports came from Sprint and not Fred, himself. The numbers listed to the side of the call correspond to towers but I have been unable to yet uncover exact locations.

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73 comments:

  1. Finally . . . a statement! I copied and asked Peter Hyatt to take a look at it (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/) and hope he finds the time. Statement Analysis is fascinating and revealing. I am in no way proficient, but can tell you that leaving out the pronoun "I" at the beginning of the statement would def be flagged, ("Saturday arrived..." "Then went . . . ") as well as referring to Maura as "she" and "her" at the beginning may well be distancing language.

    I hope you don't mind that I linked to your blog and this statement.

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    1. Great idea, I hope he has time. I love that site.

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  2. When I was a freshman in college I had a wreck of a car, an 87 Nissan and this was in 2008. If my dad had come down to look for another car, me being an excited girl I would have brought it up during dinner at least once...it strikes me as odd that her friend Kate doesn't recall this being brought up. Have the police interviewed her more? About the party, dinner, and now we're learning of a possible liquor store visit. Mr. Rener, have you checked out the hotel that Fred stayed in that weekend? Was it a single or double room? How far was it from her dorm? This case is very interesting.

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    1. I completely agree that it should have been brought up during dinner if Maura were in fact getting a new car the next day. However, Kate's memories of the events before Maura's disappearance are notoriously incomplete--which is certainly understandable given that some of these interviews took place years later.

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  3. One thing that sitcks out in Freds report was he says they first went looking in New Hampton as her Boyfriend had good luck There. What boyfriend is he referring to? Billy was form Ohio and they met at West point

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    1. very good catch

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    2. I'm also curious about what boyfriend is being referred to, for just the reasons you cite. Oh, by the way, it's "Northampton," as I know because I was born there.

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    3. Good catch and more importantly the official bf was stationed in Oklahoma. No one would buy a car in MA and drive it back to OK (and Freds comment that he had luck has to mean bought a good car, right?). But why wouldnt Fred just name the guy or mention him later on?

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    4. Just to comment to that ^^ me and my husband are from NY and moved to TN and when my husband needed a new car he flew up to NY to buy it and drove it back down here because for some reason the cars in NY were cheaper (go figure) so its not completely unheard of for someone to do that but I do agree it seems unlikely

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  4. I have been following this case for about 2 months now. At first, i thought that there was NO was his father had anything to do with this, although many people have suggested otherwise. Even though my opinion changes every other day about what actually happened, I DO feel that her father has been dishonest. I can't say for certain that he had anything to do with her actual disappearance, but i feel like he knows waaaayyyy more than he is telling. I hope things are going to hit the fan soon. I NEED to know what happened to her!! Im almost a bit obsessed now. GOOD JOB MR RENNER....

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    1. I think im a tad bit obsessed too. Its so many possibilities.

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  5. Awesome work Mr. Renner

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  6. I wish DAWN would come on to check out the phone records and explain them. DAWN are you out there?

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  7. I remember on a topix post that someone mentioned that a man also joined them for supper. Implying new boyfriend. Does anyone else remember this post?

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  8. I dont think that Fred really had anything to do with this. I mean, there are no guidlines to say how a father SHOULD act when his daughter goes missing. Give the guy some slack. Why would he want Maura dead. For all of you out there that think Fred had something to do with this.....explain to me why. What was the motive? What would he have to gain from the death of his daughter? Was there a life insurance policy on her?

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    1. I agree with you. It seems like once someone brings up the word "suspicious" many people jump on that bandwagon. I don't think Fred has anything to do with it too.

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    2. there is a possibility, albeit far-fetched, that he could have sold her to human-trafficers. there is an under-reported, extremely immense market in the united states for human trafficing and sex slavery. was he having money problems? i don't know one way or another, but to ignore this possibility is foolish

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    3. Well, I can think of one reason, if Maura was scared of the consequences, so was not going to tell the police about the accident, so Fred would have to pay for the repairs to his damaged car himself...This might have made him mad.

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  9. A question that I still have, is why Maura went back to his hotel room that night to stay? And why would a father loan his new car to his daughter after drinking with her at a bar and possibly taking her and her friend to a liquor store?
    KB

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  10. First, this is incredible detective work, you have found some very interesting facts and, at this rate, I actually feel you might solve this long standing cold case. However, while this new info and the credit card info add even more fuel to the 'she ran away' aspect, we already know she ran away. The question is: What happened then? The 3 possibilities: Started a new life/Committed suicide/or Met with foul play are still all equally likely. And while it seems Fred is possibly being deceptive in this interview, I think he's just trying to gloss over or cover up Maura's heavy drinking and his harsh reaction-- both things you maybe don't want to face or fess up to the cops. Remember this was only about 2 weeks after the accident. Fred probably still thought Maura would turn up. Even if you think Fred is a terrible person, even an abusive monster (which I don't) It doesn't answer the big question above unless you actually think Fred killed her which I believe is preposterous.

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  11. AWESOME!! OH YEAH!!!!!!

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  12. The letter accommpanying the phone records says they run from 02/01 to 02/20, yet we see only those from 02/09 onward. Surely Fred's phone activity during the week leading up to Maura's disappearance on 02/09 might be quite revealing and interesting. Where's the missing week? Also, so much is redacted from the records that they could be anybody's. Guess we're supposed to take Sprint's word for it that they're Fred's.

    Fred's statement appears to have been taken on 02/22, two WEEKS after Maura's disappearance, yet we've been led to believe that he never spoke to any LE until two YEARS after the event. What's up with that?

    Fred apparently omitted to mention, until prompted by LE, that he, Maura and Kate visited a liquor store on Saturday night, 02/07. So what? Perhaps he simply forgot, given the turmoil of the previous couple of weeks, or perhaps he was trying to protect his daughter from questions about her drinking habits. If his wife was an alcoholic, he must have been aware of the potential for similar addiction problems in his children. We know Maura visited a liquor store on 02/09 because a dated receipt was found in her Saturn post-accident, and because video surveillance tape showed her there that day. Very possibly, Maura and Kate were just looking for a bottle of wine to take to the dorm party later.

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    1. To answer your questions:

      1. Fred Murray's phone number is on the documents. I have omitted it, because I don't want to send obscene callers his way.
      2. This is only his initial statement, not an interview. He did not submit to a formal interview by detectives for 2 years. And then he brought his lawyers.

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    2. Thanks for the clarifications. I agree with your not wanting Fred to be subjected to evil callers.

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    3. WHY WHY WHY would Fred be so stupid as to say things in his media interviews (Montel, etc.) that conflicted with the statement he gave police?? I'm talking about the night spent in the motel.

      Doesn't he realize that the police are going to watch him on those shows, and see him lying???

      Stupid Fred.

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  13. Thank you for publishing this statement on your blog. Finally some information, that is not quite so abstract. My intution tells me she felt horrible about that accident because it may have been her fault due to some irresponsible reason; perhaps she was on the phone with some guy she shouldn't have been talking to, etc. If it had really just 'happend' she shouldn't have felt so guity. I also wonder why she was staying at the motel with her Dad; maybe because her room was still packed up in boxes and not so comfortable or she needed to be close to her Dad for emotional support for some reason. ~Kolina

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  14. I personally think the key to solving this thing is to really understand Maura's state-of-mind immediately following the 2nd car accident. There have been a few posts where people mentioned they didn't think that Maura wouldn't have accepted a lift from a stranger after rejecting the bus driver's offer. I don't necessarily believe that. If Maura was truly trying to "get out of Dodge" and get away for a bit without being noticed or seen she would have never took the bus driver up on his offer but I could understand her taking a ride from the next car that pulled up. The bus driver told her that he lived just down the road and already asked her if he should contact the police. Why would she go with him a few blocks away especially if she had been drinking. She wanted to get the hell out of there and as quickly and as far away as possible. She wrecked her car and she knew that she needed to get far away. She was desperate and I think that it would have been reasonable to accept a lift from the next passing car with a made up story that she was heading to a relative's house or something like that and if he/she/them could give them a ride there because of the weather. I think in situations where a car accident happens in terrible weather it's not unreasonable to go to a safer location instead of staying with the car. If one of her friends/new boyfriend was following her they would have been there already or one of the witnesses would have seen them. There are also arguments on this site pertaining to the probability of a predator showing up in those 10 minutes. True, the odds are slim but that type of target could have possibly made a predator out of an opportunistic individual. I think she was abducted. Maybe she was going to meet someone but that someone was not with her at the time.

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  15. Hello James,

    That first document you showed I believe has Fred's cell number in the subject information line: I'm sure he's changed it a billion times by now.

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  16. One thing I found surprising: Fred didn't know about his wrecked car until he woke up the next morning, and he found Maura sleeping in his room? Quality Inn rooms are usually just basically bedrooms, aren't they (with tiny bathrooms attached toward the rear)? How'd she get into his room in the wee hours of the morning, when he wasn't expecting her, without waking him then? And where did he find her sleeping the next morning? (I assume there was a second bed in the room.) All this time, I've pictured her returning to his room in the middle of the night and waking him to let her in so she could confess to him the accident.

    I also must admit: The tone if this statement seems exasperated to me. It could be the way the cops wrote it, I guess. But his remarks about him begrudgingly staying out with her and Kate, his griping about the late hour of their party, his assuredness that she'd call to discuss the accident report because "she wouldn't let me down again." Judging solely from this, I'd say Fred's attitude toward Maura's disappearance changed between the time of this statement and the taping of the "Disappeared" episode. I really do wonder if, in the immediate aftermath of her disappearance, he was more aggravated than concerned, thinking something like, "She has run away. She's not being strong and dealing with life. She'll be back."

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    1. You make some interesting points. I'm sure I read somewhere, possibly on this blog, that other guests at the motel that night reported hearing sounds of a very noisy argument coming from Fred's room, but that could just be bs of course, people inventing a drama to get media attention. Still, Fred's story in this statement has a lot of odd holes in it. How DID Maura get into his room in the middle of the night without waking him? And didn't Maura call Bill Rausch quite early that morning, certainly before 10:30A, to tell him about the accident? I think he said that himself, though I may be misremembering. Curiouser and curiouser.

      I agree with you about Fred's change of attitude and tone as time went on. I've always believed that he was probably livid about his car initially and that it took him quite awhile to calm down. Everything we've learned about Fred supports my belief that he has quite a temper, that he was very hard on Maura to achieve, achieve, achieve all her life and that, in general, he didn't suffer fools gladly.

      In Miles to Nowhere, the Disappeared episode, my impression was of a man gobsmacked, baffled, absolutely bewildered and uncomprehending of what in the world could have happened to cause Maura to be gone so long without a word. The anger seemed to have drained away.

      It may be a good idea to remember that the thing about lying is that one lie tends to lead to another and another, and it gets harder and harder to remember exactly what one said, and to whom, over time, causing contradictions and confusion. I think Fred told a lot of lies in the beginning, perhaps not huge lies individually, but small fairy tales designed to protect Maura's reputation and cover up his own anger--and the guilt that followed from it when it became evident that Maura's disappearance wasn't merely a little snit--and that he's now stuck with them.

      I have no idea how I'd respond faced with the loss Fred's had to endure. I'm for cutting him a lot of slack.

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    2. great post. I just wonder why after 8 years he still so stubborn. It's clear this case is very cold. Mr. Renner is starting to heat it up again. So why not help in everyway possible? Fred could be the key to it all. Plus he's not getting any younger, so why not know what happened to Maura before it's too late? Only conclusion I can come to is he is hiding important, possibly damning evidenct. I hope not. But there is alot of smoke. Must be a fire there.

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    3. I agree so much with everthing Anonymous at 09.43pm has said. I think Mr Murray was very angry with Maura for crashing his car and possibly said some nasty things to her that he regrets now. Initially he probably thought Maura was going to turn up and wanted to protect her so didn't see the need to divulge all the problems that were going on in her life. I don't think he had anything to do with Maura's disappearance but probably did tell some lies in the beginning to protect her and now can't lose face by admitting it.
      ~MF

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  17. Maura seemed to have been somewhat of a 'daddy's girl' or really, maybe she just wanted to please her dad, and make him happy..do whatever to make him happy.. maybe she felt as though growing up..seeing her older siblings accomplishments..she felt as though maybe she had a lot to live up to. I think if she were on the phone during either accident, it would have resurfaced by now. I still think that Fred feels somewhat responsible or guilty over the disappearance of his daughter. I remember reading about the night it happened (the first car accident) she called her boyfriend, Billy, up..and he said it took him a long time to calm Maura down.. he said he could tell she was really shaken up over the accident.


    I try to put myself in her shoes..and i try to think why a young lady would want to run away, in the pitch black of winter, in New Hampshire. I understand she didn't want to get in further trouble with drinking and another car accident... but one has to think? She must have had some plan..who runs from an accident without having ANY kind of plan? A plan for anything.. to find the nearest store, or restaurant.. use your phone.. anything. I want to say that having grown up in Massachusetts, and having gone to college for 2 years in New York, she would have known to not accept a ride from a complete stranger. Who really knows though, the most we can do is speculate.

    I still find it to be strange that her friends don't want to speak. I look at that as being 1 of 2 things: 1. Maura's disappearance was very traumatizing for them, which is very likely..and Fred told them years ago, to move on, to carry on with their life..to not go to bed at night with this on their mind... or 2. They know a lot more than what they've said.

    I can't think of any other reason that would make any sense for them to not want to talk.

    I've been toying with an idea that maybe she did get picked up, and was in the wrong place, at the wrong time... I was looking up NH's homicides and murders..and compared to many other states.. NH has a very low crime rate. It seems a little strange to me, that a non resident would be a murder victim...especially in such a rural, small populated town, where everyone seems to know everyone? And be picked up within minutes of crashing her car.

    The more shows I watch on television, dealing with disappearances, and homicides... it seems as though..within a few years, something is found.. or someone starts speaking up... it's been 8 years now, and nothing has been found, and no one has spoken up.

    I guess anything is really possible, and i must say..hats off to you for picking up this task and to find the truth.

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  18. These phone records were obtained from a subpoena. Don't the police need probable cause to get this kind of information? More than the content of these records, I want to understand why the police believed they were important to the investigation. Why were Fred's phone records deemed necessary?

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    1. Most likely to rule him out. However, I don't understand why he wouldn't just hand over this information if he knows he did not have anything to do with her disappearance. If he really wanted them to focus on finding her, he should have given LE all the information they needed to rule him out and move on to the next possible scenario.

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  19. All of the outgoing calls are SID code (0)4162, which is listed as Sprint PCS with location New York, NY. Could roaming from a location in CT really show up as NY?

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    1. Is it more important that the incoming/rerouted calls are SID Code (0)4106? That's Southern New Hampshire.

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    2. http://www.cellguru.net/roadrunner.htm
      This might be very interesting or maybe nothing. It connects cell range in different areas at the time.

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  20. The whole buying a car thing seems odd. Being from mass personally, I know how the RMV works. Mass doesn't have temp plates, so its not like you could just drive off the lot with a purchased car. You have to have your insurance company fill out an RMV form that you hand in at the registry. Once you have that, then you get the plates. It takes time and is aggravating, I don't see that happening during a weekend because the RMV is closed. One other thing that struck me funny was Fred made a point of saying he had 4000 on his person...what if Maura stole it? That may explain how she funded a "runaway" its probably far fetched, but just curious.

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    1. Pure genius. Lots of possibilities here. I somehow don't think her father was flush with SSS. Lots of stories have been circulating, and most of them don't make any sense. This man is sure popular with the ladies that pity the grieving father. Did he encourage or facilitate her running away? Or was she running away from HIM?

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    2. It would certainly work as a cover story that they were buying a car, if they had the foresight to think the police might check Fred's financial records. I don't have any experience buying cars, but I don't think I'd want to purchase a car with cash. Somebody from Mass also mentioned that it is extremely challenging (especially on weekends) to buy a car off a lot without going through the process of changing over insurance, and getting new plates. So the idea that he was there to buy a new car is a bit less believable to me.

      Someone also mentioned the possibility that Maura took the 4 grand from Fred and took off. It seems less likely when you are confronted with the fact that all indications are that she planned to leave.

      Who knows? What we have to remember is that Maura didn't seem to be typical. Thanks to Mr.Renner's work, we also know she could be manipulative, resourceful, and actually criminal. This isn't meant to downplay her disappearance, or to insult her, just to remind us all that we aren't dealing with "just some 21 year old".

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  21. I think these are good points, at least things to think about. I thought twice about the money Fred said he had, too. Maura had stolen credit card numbers before.. Or, maybe the car buying story was just that, a story, and Fred brought the money for Maura, to do what with, I don't know. I do know she had a lot on her plate though, and if my father were to come visit me at school while I was having a rough time he wouldn't leave without offering money. Who knows.

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  22. Fred said "I was sure she would call, she wouldn't let me down again ". Kind of a superior statement. Seems like Fred put high expectations on Maura.

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  23. Why is so much made of Fred bringing attorneys along when questioned by NH authorities 2 yrs later??? By this time Fred was well into the "investigation" of Mauras disappearance and dealing with everything that goes with it. ANYBODY in that situation would be in contact with attorneys to advise them on everything from possible death declarations (and any associated benefits, monetary or otherwise) to relations with the media. From there, ANY competent attorney(s) that you may deal with will tell you to have them present during any Law Enforcement questioning. They would be correct in telling you that. The police are NOT looking out for the interests of the person they are questioning, they have a job to do. You either need to be really good or you need to have legal representation to look out for your interests, simple as that. It does not constitute guilt. We have a problem in our society when people think looking out for ones own interests when one could be considered a suspect automatically equates to being guilty or hiding something. If Fred were railroaded in anyway by investigators, it would not be the first time the cops pressured people into saying things, etc. You seem pretty reasonable about most things Mr Renner but you are relentless and unreasonable about this detail about Fred. Any major dealings with business/govt/LE involve attorneys. You would be crazy to be questioned in such a high profile case and NOT bring attorneys. You should know that damn well, at least based on the quality of your reasoning in other areas.

    Like many others, I'm not convinced that Fred's versions of events leading up to the accident are entirely truthful BUT the attorney thing means nothing. Like most, I don't think Fred has one iota of direct knowledge, nevermind involvement, in Mauras disappearance. I believe his story has always been tailored to cast his daughter in the best light possible and not drag her name though the mud. Any father would do that, right or wrong.

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    1. Maybe Renner is relentless because he knows more than you about the case. He's talked to all the main players in the case, in person, on and off the record( besides Fred). Let's look at all angles and see what happens. This case is 8 years cold. Someone close to her knows something.

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    2. Maybe because Fred gave a bunch of different accounts. Didn't meet with police for 2 years and I think he failed at least one lie detector test? That they had to subpoena his cell phone records and this is his daughter? Also, his home was being foreclosed on, and he can come up with $4000 in ready cash? I also think I remember reading he couldn't account for whereabouts after Maura went missing.

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  24. Just a thought, I wonder if anyone could stage a scene again... from where her car was in the snowbank. And run in the opposite direction for two minutes...& see if you can see a person from where the cop would be, by her car..I also keep reading that there were no footprints at all in the snow. I say 2 minutes because I'm seeing that on mauramuraymissing.com that it was only two after Butch left, & the cop arrived.

    I recall reading in an article online, that Butch, the bus driver... said that after he called the cops, from his home.. he saw a few cars pass by, that tells me that this must not be that remote and desolate of an area, that on a regular bases people normally travel down this road.

    & with all those cars passing by, no one saw her?

    That all tells me, she stayed strictly on the road running, or she got picked up. I'm also curious as to how much media attention she received the first week of her being missing, as well as how many flyers were posted. I would think that if Maura left on her free will she would have taken a break from running all night. Get food, use the bathroom? Stop in at a gas station? Try to use her phone? Drop in at a store, anywhere... I don't find any article saying that people had seen her. I'm also a runner, but I also can not run for hours on end, especially in winter up north.

    I think I also recall reading that her family had checked into many hotels, motels, inns & other various places to stay at in the state and part of Vermont. I'm thinking that if Maura, a full time college student, called two places initially before she left to check for a room...that she didn't know anyone in the area to stay with. So I'm thinking she wasn't freely staying at a friend's house in NH.
    I don't know, anything is possible. I would just think that if someone were intentionally going missing, then they wouldn't bring their school books with them, as well as their bank cards, their cell phone & their birth control pills. I would think it would be easier to just leave, then try to 'stage' something.

    There have been some people who have offered their two cents, by saying that maybe Maura committed suicide. That's a possibility, as anything seems to be at this point. But, where would Maura stop at to commit suicide? There were no foot prints found in the snow. You would also think that with as many years that have gone by, if she had committed suicide, her bones would have been found by now. She obviously isn't able to dig herself a grave or cover herself up with dirt, had she committed suicide,
    *Something that also interests me:
    The Murrays also lost an opportunity to have Maura featured on America’s Most Wanted

    According to John Walsh, the Haverhill authorities would not provide them with a police
    report so that they could feature Maura on their show. (A Missing Person’s Police Report
    is a public record.) This happened a short time after Maura was missing.

    Why did Haverhill not provide a police report?

    Lastly, there was this book written a few years ago, which eventually turned into a movie. It's called 'The Lovely Bones' and many times, when I think of that movie, I think of Maura Murray.

    To all who have not seen the movie, or read the book.. in a nutshell, its of a young girl who gets murdered, her body is never found, as her killer kept her body in a suitcase the whole time.

    I wonder if NH LE took the time to research people in the area. It seems as though with most missing persons' cases, and homicides.. the only way most of them seem to be solved.. is because someone speaks up. An ex of the killer, a friend of the killer.. a family member of the killer...a neighbor that overhears something..

    I wonder if poor Maura had been a victim to some lone freak that doesn't know anyone, similar to the movie of 'The Lovely Bones'.
    I guess you have to watch the movie, or read the book to know what I'm talking about.

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  25. Someone had suggested that they believe her mindset before she turned missing is crucial. I agree with them.

    Looking at the facts, she left her gloves in the car, but took her alcohol with her.

    One would think if leaving in to the cold of winter in NH, the gloves would be more important than the alcohol.

    I'm a female, and I don't mean to upset any other females on here. I'm in my 20s, I guess I'm still young. I know that if I am very upset, or let down about something.. my emotions get the best of me..and honestly, I'm not really thinking clearly.. I'm VERY IRrational, I say and do things that normally, is out of character for me, my boyfriend who I live with can probably agree with that.

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    1. Hi I'm also 22 year old female, and when I get upset especially about my boyfriend I do things irrationaly I let my emotions get the best of me. But about the glove, my car has at least two sweatshirts, a pair of shoes, and a few school books. Usually when I'm taking car trips in the winter, I have to remove my sweat shirts and gloves, as it gets warm in the car. Maura could have removen her gloves, and any college student would not see the mystery in her having school books and other items in her car. When you're in college your car is like a second closet...
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  26. Another thing, I can't seem to find anywhere.. online..just researching.. that no one knows the time she left campus, and headed north. I only see 'sometime between 330pm and 430 pm'.

    With this, when she went to the ATM to withdraw most of her money, and also, stop at the liquor store..what time was she seen there? On the surveillance camera.

    I wonder if LE looked into that, at the time. What time she left the liquor store, and at the time when Butch called the police..
    I guess what I mean to say, is if Butch's account on when he saw her was legitimate. If there was time between the liquor store and the crash to do something else, to meet with someone.


    If you're planning on running away, to start out new elsewhere, wouldn't you use the money you withdrew from the ATM for the future? And not spent a percentage of it on alcohol?

    Just a thought.

    I'm also seeing on this site www.mauramurraymissing.com Sharon said that Maura was looking forward to getting her engagement ring that summer. Sharon also says that Billy and Maura would have gotten married the summer or fall of 2005.

    I read somewhere that Billy cheated on Maura with one of her sister's friends. When did Maura find this out?

    Did she find it out months before her disappearance, or did she find out the weekend she disappeared? i guess that's important also.

    I don't know if a 21 year old girl has enough tools or life experience to start out new by herself. It seems as though all of her friends have been questioned.

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  27. The more I read here the clearer it is to me that Sharon is a bit delusional. It's highly unlikely that Maura would be choosing rings while conducting "affairs" with boys at UMass - see posting of James' chat with her rowing coach. I think Sharon's good Christian mindset is clouding her judgement and she's kidding herself. It may also cloud her judgment of Fred who she seems to have done tv stuff with as late as 2007. I think Fred seems odd but I don't think he caused Maura to disappear. I suspect he's hiding something though. Perhaps to protect her, but what is it??

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  28. Anon @2:09 I think touched on something. About billy cheating. We know Maura received a late phone call that upset her. It's late to us, 1am..but go about a time zone or two out to Oklahoma and its a reasonable hour. What if someone called to inform her of billys misdeeds?

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    1. But that person would have come forward. If they were close enough to maura to call her they'd help the investigation. I have to think it was someone scary. Maybe someone threatened her or threatened to report something they knew. I think she was running away from a situation at UMass she was already at enough away from the bf. is it possible she was involved with someone she shouldn't be? And this guy's gf or wife found out? That would be reason to leave town. Or maybe she had a bf whose official gf was visiting that week and Maura didn't want to see them together? James is there any lead on other partners she had?

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  29. This might be nothing but i noticed in the statement that Fred said Mauras friend Kate was at a track meet. I thought Maura was also on the track team i wonder why Maura wasnt at the track meet.

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    1. Maura is said to have quit competitive running sometime in the fall of 2003, ostensibly to focus on her schoolwork.

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    2. So she quits running in fall 2003, steals credit card(s) and scarfs a bunch of pizzas as a replacement for running. Sounds like a she is stressed out!

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    3. Probably not important, but according to UMass Athletic's website archive there was not a school meet on 2/7/2004. There was a meet on 2/2 and 2/9 but not 2/7.

      The schedule is available here:
      http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/w-track/archive/umas-w-track-2003.html

      The site is atrocious, but I was able to find an 02/03 roster that included Maura. I could not find an 03/04 roster but there was a "Personal Best Times" listing for 03/04 and Maura's name does not appear on that listing.

      -TL

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  30. From the police statement, several comments are in order, although none are revelatory on their own

    1. Woe be it to the man who actually has two beers, he will not be believed. Two beers is decoded by Med/LE as "a lot of" beers. Fred said he had two beers.

    2. The statement seems to reveal that Maura was driving after both rounds at the ABC. "I asked to be brought back..."

    3. The statement "it was too late" may have referred to a liquor run to Liquor 44. It certainly wouldn't be too late to drop the girls at their dorm. The place where they ordinarily spent the night. Or maybe the original plan was that Maura would spend the night at Fred's.

    4. The police obviously had a reason to ask Fred about the liquor run. Perhaps an interview with Kate.

    5. Maura may have brought a backpack/overnight bag to Fred's motel. ("when she reached in the back seat..")

    6. The chronology is garbled. By the narrative, Fred speaks of being informed of Maura's disappearance before it happened. ("Late the next afternoon...')

    A quick read thusly: The plan was for Maura to stay at Quality Inn on Saturday night. Kate's appearance threw a wrinkle into that plan, and ended up diverting Maura back to campus. Maura made sure she got back to the Quality Inn, but breaking the original plan had some costly ramifications.

    Under this scenario one can surmise quite a row ensued

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    1. Re: Maura's backpack. I think there's been ccnfusion about this. It's my understanding that she always carried a small, black backpack instead of a handbag/purse/pocketbook. This would have been like a small daypack, not some large thing you'd take for a week or even a weekend away. So I don't think there's any significance to her having had it with her at the motel. Re: Kate's appearance at the brew pub. I thought this was by prearrangement not happenstance, though I may have that wrong.

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    2. Of course anything is possible. But Ockham's razor says a small pack stays up front, a bigger one goes in back.

      It may have been Maura's pre arrangement, but it does not appear to have been Fred's. It appears he neither desired to swing by and pick up Kate, or drop Maura off later to party at the dorm.

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    3. JForceCrater, not to be a jerk, but the chronology is not garbled (your point 6).

      FM says in paragraph 3 "I called Maura on Sunday..." and then in paragraph 4 says "Late the next day..."

      -TL

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  31. J.force carter-good catch! Wow. Really got me thinking on that one!

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  32. James
    Amazing Job please keep up the good work.

    It was my understanding from Maura Murray missing that she had left her phone at the party and she used Fred's to call Billy after the accident at 5AM.

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  33. James, I think you're making a mistake in believing that it's telling that the records came from the telephone company and not from Fred. Often law enforcement prefer to obtain things using a warrant, as opposed to permission, because it's harder to challenge a warrant in court. With permission, the person could potentially claim coercion or something like that. It's my understanding that, from a cop's point of view, a warrant is simply the safest and most proper way of proceeding.

    Chris

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    1. Agreed. Chris hit the nail on the head with his reasoning, but here are a few others:

      1) FM wouldn't receive records from Sprint until he got his bill (if at all, see #2), likely much later than 2/20.

      2) I was a Sprint PCS customer at the time of Maura's disappearance and did NOT receive call logs with my bills. (I still have the bills, with numbered pages [4 of 4], but no call logs.) I'm not sure what help they would be but I will provide one upon request.

      3) My Sprint bills from this era are nicely presented, customer-focused documents. This is a data dump with several columns (everything to the right of 'Seconds') that would be meaningless to Sprint customers (and therefore likely not included in any call logs made available to customers, if any were) yet likely quite important to LE.

      4) I seem to remember being able to look at my call logs online. Do we know for certain that FM did not provide access to these logs and that maybe LE subpoenaed Sprint for extra info (like towers that carried the call for location purposes) or for a more "prosecution friendly" record.

      In my brief time here (I saw 'Disappeared' yesterday and found your blog afterward) I've seen folks get blasted for making unsubstantiated leaps like that. It is distressing to see the care-taker of the blog do the same.

      I fear statements like that one push the family away. And for what gain? A livelier comments section?

      Credibility is easy to burn, tough to earn.

      -TL

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  34. i think the SID codes are worth thinking about more on Fred's phone records. From what I understand/and have googled: 4106 SID code means the phone determined the Boston/Providence area as the zone it was located, while 4162 determines Western MA/NY

    I'm not sure how it would report SID numbers for incoming/voicemail/transfer calls (as seen for #'s 2 and 3 on the bottom) but all outgoing (0) calls are from 4162 - Western MA.

    I think it's interesting that the outgoing calls on 2/9 are reported as being in 4162, Western MA.

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  35. I do believe that Fred knows more than he is saying. However, what I don't understand is why he pushed so hard for the FBI to get involved. Presumably, the FBI would have the power and resources to find out the whole truth, thus potentially implicating him, or at least finding out what he has been hiding/lying about.

    I can't think of many explanations for his insistence that the FBI get involved, other than 1) He really isn't hiding much, and most of his strange behavior can be attributed to extreme distress; 2) He knows the FBI wouldn't ever get involved, and is just pushing for it as part of a deceptive show; or 3) Maura is in Canada--that is, beyond the FBI's purview--and he knows this.

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  36. I have only just started learning about this disappearance.. but has anyone ever thought of the timing of her disappearance? Just before Valentine's Day? Perhaps she was arranging a secret romantic meeting with her boyfriend at the time. She was calling condos and trying to make reservations, etc. Have the police or anyone ever looked into cabins/condos that might have been checked out under his name in the same area of condo(s) Maura had called about? I'm not necessarily pointing the finger at him.. but Valentine's day falls in the time that she had told her teachers she would be gone. And, sending an email to her college teachers stating there was a death in the family is totally something I would have done in college in order to get some "time" off to spend with friends or a significant other... again, not pointing the finger at him, but it's an angle to consider.

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  37. I noticed in Fred's statement that he mentions going to "North Amherst motors [sic] around 12:30"--presumably pm, on Sunday--sounds like the name of a dealership or repair place, to me.

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  38. http://www.northamherstmotors.com/

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  39. It was written that MM became very upset by a call she got from her sister and had to be taken back to her dorm by her supervisor. Could the call from the sister be to tell MM that Billy had cheated on her with the sister's friend? That would be the icing on the cake to a bad week for MM and cause her to want to get away for a few days or for a new life....... FB

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  40. I think this comment makes sense here since it's about Fred's statement. Hopefully it will bump the thread so others can see it & weigh in, if they wish.

    People have made comments (including James, in the book) about an analysis of Fred's statement--not using "I" in the beginning, not using Maura's name, etc.

    Do we know if this statement was written by Fred, or transcribed by an officer from a verbal statement Fred made? It reads like a first-person writing until you get to the last paragraph. Suddenly it switches to second person ("When asked did *you*..."), then to third person ("At first *he* stated no..."), then switches back to first person ("...*I* am unsure..."). Just seems odd.

    Also, has anyone determined who the "boyfriend" mentioned is? It seems unlikely it would be Billy, based on where he was stationed. If it was another boyfriend...then Fred must have known that Maura & Billy weren't as lovey-dovey as statements in the Disappeared episode imply.

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  41. So...just got to the part in the book where Bill flat-out tells you he bought a car in NoHo... So I guess everybody can ignore that question!

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