Friday, July 6, 2012

Documents are up!

You can now access the majority of the records I have received relating to Maura Murray's disappearance (clink on that "documents" link that now appears to the left).

I still need to scan the records related to Maura's credit card fraud in Amherst. But that make take another week. I'll post when the link is live.

Honestly, I have yet to read through every page of these reports, myself. So if you find something particularly interesting, let me know.

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  1. Great job Mr Renner!
    I´ve only had the time to be skimming through some of the documents posted and haven´t this far seen anything particularly eye-opening that I wasn´t aware of previously.
    Still lots of pages to be read, though...
    Again, many thanks for your effort.

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  2. Hi James--I got a question.

    Do you feel there is any signifigance that police have not released a photo from the ATM Maura used shortly before her dissapearance?

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    1. I wondered the same thing Richard. Wouldn't it make more sense for law enforcement to go off a fact, and release atleast a photo of Maura at the ATM, to show the public, what she was last wearing and looks like? That is something I never understood either.

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    2. Maybe someone was with her and that would hinder the case if the public saw it at this point.

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  3. Anyone know what the "SUICIDE INQUIRY" stamp on the O.V.I. form means? I mean the documents in the file Murray 004.pdf.

    Chris

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  4. I haven't looked myself just yet. But one thing just popped in to my mind. We know Maura had problems and committed crimes. Any indication there was an accomplice? It would certainly lend some motive to Maura's disappearance.

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  5. Speaking of made-up stories, I'm more convinced than ever that the picture taken of Maura in front of the painted cinder block wall is an authentic police mugshot, not a photo taken in a dorm hallway as some have suggested.
    Credit card fraud is not a small deal, and this girl was probably in trouble for some time. It seems much of her trouble likely played into her disappearance.
    Everything has been hush-hush, but I think you'll get to the bottom of it all, James. Go for it!!

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    1. I agree with you, I think the credit card fraud is *not* a small deal. What I didn't understand, was supposedly, she got kicked out of WP for credit card fraud..so why would U Mass Amherst accept her into their nursing program? I know any nursing program, they conduct a background check on you.. wouldn't it be hard to get in? Or atleast find a job as an RN with that on your background record? That is one thing I never understood about this. At the last company I worked at, a CNA was accused and found guilty of stealing elderly peoples' credit cards, so she could pay her car payments and bills on them..she got fired immediately and was facing criminal charges.. i have no doubt that she will most likely never be able to work as a cna ever again.

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    2. Yes, records would have been transferred from WP to UMASS, and it's possible disciplinary records were sealed. Otherwise, as you said, she would not have been a good candidate for the nursing program if it was confirmed she had acted illegally and/or was dismissed from WP.

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  6. I had a feeling interest in the Maura Murray case might not last until February 2014. Out of the documents, the one I thought was interesting was the first accident she has with her father's car. I was surprised to learn she actually drove straight into a guard rail at a T intersection.
    Her second accident is also strange. When a car is fast the back end is first to go out of control and indeed there is damage broadside to the passenger side of her car. But the wierd part is that where the nose of the car struck hardest was on the drivers side, away from the snowbank. In terms of physics the car made a very unique 180 to end up how it did.

    I am not sure of much but one thing. Whatever happened to Maura Murray, it happened to her ALONE, at least initially. Maybe someone came and grabbed her after the accident or she hitched a ride. That is a possibility, but her destination and trip was by herself. I disagree with Mr. Renner. I do not think she was planning on meeting anyone and I do not think she was traveling in tandem with another car in front or behind her. The reason is simple to explain if you are willing to assume she does not have a second cell phone and that she was not making random payphone calls from Amherst.

    On the day she leaves she calls GO STOWE at 2:05. Supposedly she leaves the dorm around 3:30.

    The problem with any sort of meeting is that she is planning her trip up to the moment she leaves. It is the same problem with someone traveling in another car behind her.

    How does anyone know what she has planned if she does not know herself?

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    1. The more I find out about Maura Murray, via old interviews online from friends and family, and the more information James seems to pull up, the more I do think she ran off on her own. She had two places picked out in Vermont, and one place picked out in NH..so no definite set in stone destination. But she did chose to go with the Bartlett, NH directions. I suppose if I were planning on leaving the country, i would probably chose to see my favorite place before i left. Maybe that's why she chose the Bartlett destination, with the White Mountains being around, who knows. Just an idea. I would have to say that the other two locations in Vermont are awfully close to the border. If a 'poor' college student just wanted to get away, you would think it would be over the weekend, in a nearby place, that wouldn't involve much 'cash' usage...gas money, places to stay, food, etc., etc..

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    2. a counter point to this theory of not traveling in tandem would be she contacted this person via her dorm phone. In 2003, while living in a dorm, we had our own line in there. It came with the room. Working off that theory, she could have communicated with her accomplise this way. The londonberry ping is a good clue if James can figure out who called her.

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    3. Herm, the police had records of her dorm room phone.

      If she was coordinating with someone via personal or school email, cell or dorm room phone the police had records of who she was in contact with.

      Unless JR intends to write a book about his journey in "writing the book," which seems to be the direction he is headed, I don't know what he is going to tell about Maura's disappearance that couldn't be told in one blog posting.

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    4. Anon @10:33, the police may not necessarily have a record of the local calls that came from the dorm phone. I used to only get a statement of the long distance phone calls I placed from the dorm phone. I'm not sure if they did or could track the local calls from the room phone. Also, we are still not sure whether she had an unknown disposable cell phone that she was communicating with others.

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    5. Anonymous @ 3:13am, the police had a record of all incoming and outgoing calls from her dorm room, her cell phone and her emails accounts.

      None of her friends or family were aware of a disposable cell phone - I think your theory might be a bit of a reach.

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  7. Maura Murray makes a unique phone call and email on February 9th, 2004 that I had a question about.

    At 12:55 pm she calls the Salamone's to ask about renting that cottage in Bartlett, NH. The call was 3 minutes long so it would have ended at 12:58 pm. According to a date stamp on the email she sends to her boyfriend, she sent the email at a few seconds after 1 pm.

    Did she already know the number for the Salamone's? Was it a number she knew well and already had in her phone or was it something she would have to look up, for example, on the internet? I know police would have probably checked on something like that.

    The one impression you get throughout is that when she makes all her phone calls she is sitting in front of the computer. What I wanted to ask is, "Was the time she called the Salamones and the time she sent the email only 5 minutes apart?" That is my question for anyone who reads this.

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    1. I'm not an expert, but from everything I have read, Maura had previously stayed at that lodge in the past with her father and boyfriend. Wasn't it a 1-800 STOWE number? I may be mistaken, but that's what I remember from reading different articles.

      Her email to her boyfriend Billy was very short, basically implying that she didn't feel like talking to anyone but she said she would call him later. If i remember right, it was a very short email, like two sentences in length, it wouldn't take that long to write and send.

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    2. I think its very strange how Maura chose to leave on a Monday and not a Friday, or a Saturday. I also think it's weird the hour she chose to leave at, in the evening. Being aware of how bad her car was running (i read that she was getting rides from classmates to clinicals and so forth), she wouldn't take her car down the street, but will drive out of state with it? Especially at night? She obviously wanted and felt like she needed to get away, and to do it quickly, and discreetly, even though she knew she didn't have the right resources to do so (money and a poorly running car). I want to say because of this, and because she chose not to tell anyone...I want to speculate that she must have had some other 'plan b' 'well, what if my car stalls, what if i get no reception, i don't know anyone in nh...what if i cant afford to stay at a lodge for a whole week?' Even if her other 'plan b' option was just to 'hitch a ride from a passerby...'

      Some people have speculated that she may have walked somewhere/went off the road into the woods. I ruled that one out, in my own opinion, solely for the reason that there was 2-2.5 feet of snow in that area of NH, and no foot prints were found off the road. They also took helicopters and scanned the area and used heat censored equipment. Anyone who is from New England, particularly ME, VT, NH.. (myself included), we know that we do not bury anything in the frozen ground during the winter months and we also know that we do not dump anything in lakes during the winter months. Most of the time, deceased bodies are stored away after funerals and waited until the spring months for the soil and ground to thaw out- to be buried.

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    3. Mauras dad was up to help her search for a car over that weekend . I would bet that the Toyota accident that weekend is what precipitated Maura wanting to get away to think things over.

      You bring up a great point about Maura leaving so late on Monday afternoon. Did Maura have class that Monday or was it still break that week? What did Maura do that Monday morning?

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    4. No one knows for sure if that was Fred's reason for being at Umass. He says that. But I am skeptical of what he says. Too many inconsistencies in his statements. One thing about his trip up there that doesn't make sense at all is him loaning Maura the Toyota. Why? The dorm party was where? HER DORM. She was escorted back to her building by Kate and some male friend....she didn't need a vehicle that night...unless the plan was for her to get back to Fred. That's the mystery...why were they so determined to meet back up? There's has to be a reason....also Im not totally convinced Maura was low on cash for her trip to NH. Fred had said he had 4k on him in cash....why? Who really carries that much on them? I know he claims for a car, but most people buy with a check...the whole 72 hour period of events is all out of whack...and to me, a big coverup. Fred needs to talk.

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    5. Herm- I don't know of too many parents who are going to loan their vehicle, esp a *new* vehicle, out to a 21 year old, if they know the reason for borrowing it is to attend a college party. No offense to Maura, but I could see her lying about what she planned to use it for. I doubt she told the truth 'so i can party and go out drinking on campus?' I doubt it. More like 'SO i can pick up more scrubs, or I can meet up with friends off campus to study...etc...etc..' I also recall reading that Maura didn't receive her driver's license until she was 21. Again, what parent is going to loan out a brand new car to a college kid, to attend a party, and drink, and just gotten their license 6 months prior? I don't know of any.

      People do things differently. To be honest with you, the last truck my father bought, he paid it all with cash.

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    6. Maybe she said she needed a car. To me, it didn't sound like her plans were to go to the party. It sounded like she took the car for the evening in case they do something and ended up deciding to go to the dorm party. A father letting his daughter use his car for a night doesn't seem odd at all, unless you're fishing, which, Herm, you always are. It was probably embarrassing for Maura to bum rides because of the car she had, and maybe embarrassing to Fred, too. Shopping for a car doesn't sound at all odd.

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    7. Fred knew they would be boozing. He took them to get booze...and they drank at the pub. I can't understand why he loaned her the car. Strange. We will probably never know. Fred is getting old and is too reluctant too open up ...k

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    8. I believe that what Herm was pointing out was that the party maura was going to was AT HER OWN DORM. It was either a few floors up from where she lived or a few floors down. After the party, she just needed to take the elevator to her floor, she didn't need a car.

      Her father should've dropped maura and her fellow dorm friend off at the dorms and then he should've driven back to his hotel about seven miles away.

      This is something that fred needs to clear up (why he let maura have his car just to attend a dorm party at her own dorm). This should be an easy but very important point for fred to clear up ... yet eight years later ... and nothing. No wonder people look at him suspiciously.

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    9. Thanks Clint. That's what I was trying to say...has to me fishing...we all are in a way...it's the only way to put the puzzle together...but thanks for the counter point. We need to keep this blog free of arguing amongst ourselves and engage in healthy discussion. BTW, I do not think Fred harmed Maura...but I think Fred has something to do with her leaving Umass..and I believe he knew where and why she was in a rush to flee. I would love to see him questioned in a setting where he can't control the content.

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    10. Herm- where have you found on the internet or in prior news articles that Fred, knew for a fact, that Maura would be boozing when he lent her his car? It isn't right or fair to state a fact when it isn't even the truth. We can all speculate, as all of us do, but simply coming on here and stating a fact 'Fred knew they would be boozing' is not fair to Fred, or anyone. Are you Fred? Did Fred tell you that?

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    11. Clint- I obviously realize (as probably most of us do by now) that Maura attended the party on campus. Obviously she didn't need her father's car to go to this party, which is why I think she initially made up an excuse to tell her father she needed to borrow it for something else, that night, or morning, or whatever.

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    12. Maybe Fred had been drinking too much and preferred Maura to drive.
      ~Kolina

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    13. I think that Herm's assumption is that since Fred went to the liquor store with Maura, he "knew" that she would be drinking later. I guess you could assume that all the booze was for Fred, but I can't remember who paid for that liquor purchase, or if we ever found that out...It would make sense that Maura would drive the car from the pub to drop off Fred b/c he was too drunk, and then take the car back to her dorm that night because that was the only way she could get back. Then she would just bring the car back the next morning. That explains why Fred said he didn't even remember Maura coming into the hotel room in the middle of the night. He was probably passed out drunk.

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    14. Look no further than this blog and Fred's statement to police. He said, after dinner at the brew pub, he took Kate & Maura to the liquor store before attending a party. Read before lashing out. Thanks.

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    15. Kolina,

      I am the anonymous poster who started this comment and also wrote 7-19 10:51pm and 7-22 10:14am.

      I just wanted to say that you bring up some great points that not even I thought about. I like your ideas. That is very smart, about the father drinking too much. A hard day at work, driving all the way to see Maura, then drinking would certainly put him at greater risk of an accident behind the wheel. Plus, he has been driving all day and she cares alot about her dad.

      It seems you missed your calling. You should have been a detective.

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    16. Fred did know they would be boozing because he took the girls to a liquor store (to buy alcohol for their dorm party) prior to having them drop him off at his hotel. He has stated this in his witness statment to police that james has released on this blog.


      Good point by Kolina, fred could've very well had to much to drink and therefore needed maura to drive him back to his hotel. However, he could've cleared that up eight years later. He has to know people still focus heavily on that Saturday night and the bizarre circumstances that unfolded. And if fred really wants people to quit focusing on all the stuff that happened prior to maura's disappearance, then he needs to clarify things and what he knows so we all can put it to rest.

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    17. It was my understanding that the party was at the "Track House" not in her dorm.

      Is this correct? If not, where does JR tell us so?

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    18. It has been reported all along for eight years now that the party maura went to that saturday night was in her own dorm.

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    19. Where can I find the original police statement that Fred gave when he learned of her disappearance? Because I'm confused,people keep saying that Fred knew she would be drinking and let her borrow the car anyway because he took her to liquor store. They way I understand it, the trip to the liquor store occurred on a different day, was made by Maura ALONE, while on her way out of town. Were there TWO trips to the liquor store then?

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    20. yes, 1 trip with Fred and Kate. Then a few days later Maura went and bought more alcohol at a liquor store with her money from an ATM.

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    21. Herm mentioning the $4000 makes me wonder. That is an odd sum of money. Not $3000, not $5000. Why that amount? I wonder if the police ever verified that Fred actually withdrew that money or that was just part of Fred's story that he was there to purchase a car. What if he withdrew the $4000 to give to Maura to get away and then made up the story about buying a car. Thus, his avoidance of the cops because he knew that she was already in trouble, and now the cops caught him in a lie too. I bet part of the reason they wouldn't let Fred access the missing persons case files is because they were investigating him, not as someone who would harm her, but someone who would help her to run away/escape the legal troubles she was in at the time. I would love to know if they subpoenaed his financial records. I don't recall if that was stated in the documents.

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    22. ACtually, $4,000 doesn't seem to me any odder than any other sum. Maybe that was the limit Fred was prepared to spend on a car for Maura. Whether the story's true is another matter, though I'd bet the cops checked his financials very carefully. A better question might be, Which cops? One of the problems with this case from the beginning has been that so many different LE agengies were involved--local, county and state for NH, MA and CT, and even the FBI at one point--that it's been difficult to understand who, exactly, was in charge overall, if anyone. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

      I have some doubt that Fred gave that money to Maura. He doesn't seem to have been overly free with even small sums for her, beyond essentials. She didn't even have a cell phone until her boyfriend's family gave her one for Christmas in 2003. I suspect most families with a daughter at uni in New England, one who was doing a lot of driving for clinicals, after dark and in rough weather, would have thought a cell phone was pretty important. Not Fred, evidently.

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  8. I thought it was noteworthy...as it was news to me that the wife of the neighbor initially claimed to have witnessed a man smoking a cigarette in the car after the wreck...as reported on the 911 call log...

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    1. I remember reading about that too. The husband swore it was the cell phone emitting that light, but the wife says it was a man with a cigarette. When Maura's parents heard about this, they found it strange, as Maura was "vehemently against smoking". Something that stuck out to me, was that if they couldn't even tell if it was a cigarette or cell phone, then how did the wife seem to think it was a man and not a woman? Also, the bus driver, Butch, never saw another passenger in her vehicle, just Maura.

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    2. Yeah, but Maura probably would have been vehemently against credit card fraud if someone asked her, too.

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    3. I have always been against smoking, but I dated many people who smoked when they were drinking alcohol when I was younger. Either Maura or an unknown person could have been smoking in the car for sure.

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  9. It appears that she was in some personal crisis: pending marriage; need for geographic escape on a Monday at start of term; depression for letting her father down by the first accident with his car; two accidents within a short time; a large purchase of alcohol; one bank account depleted; uncommunicative with friends; refusing help at accident scene (i.e. bus driver); lying (said she called AAA). These stressful events so fairly close in time seem a great contrast to her usual and generally more coping lifestyle. I'll pray.

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  10. Some readers bring up an interesting point about Maura Murray. She is up in the mountains where it is dark and there is no cell phone coverage.

    One thing I kind of disagree with is that Maura Murray was a scared individual. Yes, she drove a rundown car, but when I drove a rundown car, the one thing I was most afraid of was not having any help. Her boyfriend's mother bought her help in the form of AAA. When I had AAA, I would still go on a trip even if my car was not in top shape.

    The ironic part is that she is supposed to call her father around 8pm that night, and if she had not called, he probably would have tried to call her. Either way, they would not be able to talk to each other with her being in the mountains.

    The irony is that Maura Murray ends up crashing in the one area where she would not have been able to call for help, no one would be able to call her to see if she needs help, and no one else can call for help for her(except of course if they leave her alone).

    I think Mr. Renner has done a good job showing the evidence and documents associated with Maura Murray's case. Everything about this case says she was kidnapped and is most likely dead. I just cannot understand why I do not believe it.

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  11. I wanted to add that I think Mr. Renner has done a good job investigating Maura Murray's case. The one thing you have to remember is that people will always reach for the conspiracy theory when they cannot figure something out. The conspiracy theory in this case is that Maura somehow planned and executed her own disappearance. I reach for that theory all the time, but at the conclusion of everything there is nothing to suggest that is the case.

    Why would anyone crash their car to frame their own disappearnce?!

    That is what blogs and discussions are for, to have an interesting dialogue of what might or might not have happened to Maura Murray. The answer though is that no one really knows.

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    1. I totally agree. People want to fill in the holes themselves, and there just happens to be a lot of holes in this story that cannot be filled with known facts, so people want to point the finger somewhere. Fred letting his daughter use his car is not odd. Maura was in trouble for credit card fraud, which was stressful. Her car was in bad shape, which was probably stressful. School is stressful. She wrecked her dad's car, which was stressful. Even her boyfriend said she seemed to have more on her mind last time they talked. Maybe she was pregnant or there were other things going on physically that added to the stress. I doubt Fred thought, "My beloved daughter is stressed out, so I am going to kill her." THAT doesn't makes sense.

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    2. I agree. I don't necessarily think that Maura staged her own car accident, there seems to have been many car accidents that happen in that part of Woodsville during the winter.

      I also agree in that I don't think Fred stuck a rag in her car, and i also don't think Fred caused that car accident, i also don't think she was meeting up with Fred in NH. Granted, none of us know what happened, we can only speculate..but those thoughts are totally far out there and bogus in my opinion.

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    3. We know with absolute certainty that Fred wasn't at the scene of the accident when it happened. He was living and working in a different state.

      I don't think JR has put a post up about this fact, but it is an important fact that eliminates a ton of crazy theories that have been posted on this blog/site.

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    4. Actually, all we have is Fred's word on that. And even that is second hand.

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    5. I didn't realize that you only had Fred's word, which of course would be second hand bc you haven't landed an interview with him yet.

      That being said, have you even discovered what city/state he was working and living in when Maura went missing? Who his employer was?

      I thought you would have gotten that far by now JR. Even if you haven't, it is a fact. Hopefully you aren't basing too much of your book on the idea that it's not.

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    6. Why couldn't she be traveling to run away and disappear, and then have a car accident? Not crashing the car on purpose, but skidding on the ice, or falling asleep while driving drunk, or just falling asleep. When I was in college, I used to keep odd hours like it seems Maura did. I feel asleep at the wheel twice. Once around 9:30 PM and I was only driving about 10 miles an hour in a parking lot. The other time it was 7:30 in the morning. I was sitting in traffic and I fell asleep. I let my foot off the break and drifted right into the back of another stopped car. I was completely sober both times. My point is, she probably just abandoned the car because it was a crappy car anyway, and she needed to get away for whatever reasons she had at the time.

      You never know, she may have committed worse crimes than just stealing credit cards and driving drunk. Heck, the way the family acts about trying to cover up all of these negative things about her makes me think that maybe she STOLE the $4000 from Fred while he was drunk on Saturday. She knew he wasn't going to buy her a car because he was upset about her wrecking his new car. He seems scatterbrained enough to pack up his things and go home in a huff, not realizing that the money was gone until she didn't call him on Monday morning. He would be too embarrassed to tell anyone that she stole from him. That is why he thought she ran away and he made that plea on the news for her to come back. When she didn't come back, he then jumped to the kidnapping/murder theory. (Which may or may not be true because now NO ONE knows what happened after she left). That is why he feels so guilty because in the course of her running away from everything including him, she may have been murdered.

      I don't know why people romanticize this whole thing with her and Billy either. She left the email of him breaking up with her on her dorm room bed. He probably found out that she was caught stealing credit cards, and that she just wrecked her dad's car (maybe due to drunk driving). Who knows if she had other mental problems or an eating disorder? This was a long distance relationship and this girl had some serious issues. I'm sorry to say that I'd probably break up with her too based on all of these issues!

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    7. Sorry, I meant Monday evening in my post at 3:52 AM.

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    8. No, the conspiracy theory in this case is that it was a stranger abduction. I initially believed that too, but now I am quite convinced that Maura ran away of her own volition.

      It is also becoming more clear the more I read that Fred knows exactly what happened. I think he has kept quiet in order to avoid self-implication, though I don't think he is responsible for Maura's disappearance.

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  12. Good point about bringing up that 8pm call she was suppose to make to her father.

    I read somewhere that Maura chose to take the faster 'snake like' route to Bartlett, instead of the longer, safer way she seemed to be more familiar with. It makes me wonder if the reason why she chose the quicker 'snake like' route was to in hopes, reach her destination by 8pm, so she could make that call to her father.

    I think there are a lot of questions about this case, and I don't just mean about Maura's actions, I mean about LE's actions. Questions like, why have they not released her last ATM video? Or photos of her at the ATM? so that they could show the public what she was last wearing. Is there a way for a phone carrier to check voicemails by looking up the cell phone's number, without actually having that cell phone in hand? We all are confused because there is so much law enforcement isn't telling us.

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  13. Totally agree w/ July 22, 2012 5:04 PM poster.

    LE seems way more responsible for this than does Fred. Not to mention, Fred has risked putting himself on TV multiple times with no lawyer, he has searched to the point where he may be arrested for trespassing, and he has searched weekend after weekend. Not to mention it's his own flesh and blood.

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  14. Is the boyfriend billy still actively seeking maura as Fred is or has he moved on?did Fred & billy do polygraphs?before the school bus driver who was the last person to see maura?

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    1. Neither dig polygraphs. Both were questioned and interrogated by police individually and as part of a larger group of family present immediately following the accident.

      Also, neither was physically present when the accident took place. This was confirmed by police based on the fact that both were living and working in locations far from where the accident took place.

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    2. Fiona, i wonder the same thing. I always thought it interesting that Fred seemed to be the only one still searching for her (that we know of). I realize that Maura's mother has passed away already, but I could only find very little about Maura's mother online, pertaining to her daughter's disappearance. I feel I can find a lot more on Sharon Rausch, her boyfriend's mother, than her own mother. If i remember correctly, Fred told Billy and Maura's friends to all move on. I could only find very little of Billy also. It all mostly seems to be Sharon and Fred.

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    3. In other missing persons cases there are active pages on twitter Facebook etc but maura doesn't seem to have these except a very limited page on fb.why are her family not actively seeking information?social media would reach millions.
      I think here family know where she is & that's why they are quiet compared to these other families moving heaven & earth for information on their loved ones.

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  15. Anonymous July22,2012 7:04 wrote:


    AnonymousJuly 22, 2012 7:04 PM
    Totally agree w/ July 22, 2012 5:04 PM poster.

    LE seems way more responsible for this than does Fred. Not to mention, Fred has risked putting himself on TV multiple times with no lawyer, he has searched to the point where he may be arrested for trespassing, and he has searched weekend after weekend. Not to mention it's his own flesh and blood.
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    It seems odd that having bravely put "himself on TV multiple times with no lawyer" because we all know it takes great bravery to do something so utterly dangerous like dealing with TV producers who are anxious to help find missing people, Fred then decides to not meet with the police for the astonishingly long period of two years and then brings along TWO lawyers.

    What do you make of that?

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  16. Here are 2 things that I have wondered and not see addressed....

    1) Do we know when Fred made reservations at the hotel the weekend she crashed his car? Was this weekend visit planned for quite some time or was this made at the very last minute, thus raising suspicions that there was some emergency he needed to attend to? It could have been as simple as "Dad, I tried driving my car once again after returning from break and it just doesn't work, I need a new one" or it could have been much more important a visit (Vasi accident and need to buy new car quickly)

    2) Unless she returned back to school from break and her car got even worse, wouldn't it have made much more sense for her to look for a new car when she was home with her Dad for Christmas break? It never made sense to me that she was home for several weeks and then almost right after returning to school her Dad has to go out there for the weekend for them to look for a car. Logistically this makes no sense.

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    1. I'm not sure Maura "was at home with her Dad for Christmas break." Fred seems to have maintained a legal residence in Massachusetts but to have lived for some considerable period of time in Bridgeport, Connecticut, owing to some job he was working there. I thought she'd spent part of that break at her mother's house in Hanson, MA, part of it with friends in New Hampshire and part of it with the Rausches in Ohio.

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    2. The New Hampshire during Christmas, if true, could explain why she was up there, and possibly a poi. Maybe she met a guy up there and was planning a getaway with him.

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  17. Is it actually known with certainty that Maura was expelled from West Point for credit card fraud? I thought that was still in doubt.

    I would agree with the deduction that, based on the last-minute planning and multiple destinations considered, she was probably travelling alone.

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  18. This is such an intriguing case. My opinion is that Maura was running away from something, not necessarily going to meet someone or commit suicide. I feel that she was traveling alone. Some feel she may have traveled with someone, but Butch was on the scene quickly. I think she just had an accident. Maybe she was a little tipsy and thats all it took to crash the car - again.

    I think she was under alot of stress and perhaps even second-guessing a nursing career. She just wanted to get away from "everything" to clear her mind and regain her "sanity." Unfortunately the crash compounds her problems and instead of staying at the scene she flew the coop. Its not really an unnatural reaction - fight or flight - she chose flight. She was a strong runner and young. You would think that if she did run to another town that she would've stuck to the road and followed it all the way through, but you would also think traffic would've passed her by all night and someone had to offer her a ride and I think self-preservation from the elements would've prompted her to accept.

    I think she makes it to the next town either way and makes the phone call early in the morning while Billy is walking through the airport. She's cold, scared and alone. Now what? What next? A kidnapping? A new life in Canada? Might there have been unknown acquaintances in nearby towns she could've contacted?

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    1. You've brought up something I've long wondered about--whether Maura ever really wanted to go to WP (with a major in chemical engineering) or was just following sister Julie toward a military career, and Fred into engineering, and whether she ever really wanted to be at UMass in the nursing program, or was just compelled by her father's expectations to go somewhere and do something . . . after a somewhat ignominious departure from WP, allegedly for an honor code violation, possibly involving credit card fraud.

      The skill sets for chemical engineering and nursing are significantly different, I think. Both involve intelligence and heavy science knowledge, but to be a first-rate nurse also requires important subjective qualities: warmth, humor, compassion, sensitivity, flexibility, intuition--in short, critical "people" skills that are probably not essential for first-rate performance in chemical engineering. (What the heck do chemical engineers actually DO, anyway? Is that what Fred is?)

      I'm not suggesting for a moment that Maura did not possess these gifts, but if she did, what in the world was she doing pursuing chem. eng. . . . ? My point is that she seems to have been a deeply confused and conflicted young woman, far more insecure than her outward demeanor suggested, and perhaps heavily influenced by others' ideas of how she should live her life.

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  19. Something that boggles my mind that isn't mentioned very often is the names of the other officers on duty that night in Haverhill NH. If you look at the logs you'll notice Sgt. Smith Log entry >H2 clear of scene, Lagoies has the veh, any luck locating the party or has she shown at cottage? adv partner working on will have contact you.> Who is his partner? Then log entry >0243 -- H6 for the time that H2 was off at accident..ADV< Then no communication back why? Then you Have officer H6 and H3 on foot patrol together later in the logs for a suspicous person where they call in H2. Officer H3 put a BOL the next day, and H6 provides the description. So I just was curious if anyone knows if these two officers were on duty doing the actual investigation while Sgt Smith was called away to the incident at the Power lines and if so I'm suprised we don't hear their names more often and maybe the reason it took so long to complete the accident report. Just curious if anyone can shed more light on this.

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  20. Does anyone know if Fred tried to call/find Maura on Monday evening after he didn't hear from her at 8 pm.??
    If not, why didn't he get worried after not hearing from her/not being able to reach her untill he heared the news of her dissapearance? Why didn't he call her, her friends, the dorm to find out where she was? Looks very strange to me.

    Maybe he knew she wanted to get away? Maybe he helped her to get away and maybe he is the only one who knows where she is right now. Maybe he didn't want to talk to police and is so reluctant to work with anyone that wants to solve the case because he doesn't want Maura to be found. Maybe he is giving her in this way what she wants: peace and a chance to get away from her troubles.

    Fred knows more than he is telling, that's for sure!

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    1. I have always wondered this as well. Even if they did argue about her crashing his car, they were supposed to talk at 8pm, and he doesn't get worried at all when he doesn't hear from her? And no one can reach him until late Tuesday? Just doesn't seem right to me.

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  21. What if Maura "came clean" to Billy about the credit card fraud and that is why he dumped her? He was in the military and an upstanding guy. I wouldn't want to date someone with this type of record.

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    1. Where does it say Billy dumped her?

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    2. Really? It's been my impression that Billy was a slimy little cheat. I wouldn't want to date someone with HIS kind of record . . .

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    3. I don't judge people if i don't know them. With that being said, if someone who never even met me before, had to say that i was a 'slimy little cheat' i'd be pretty upset. There are two sides to every coin, how do you know they didn't have an open relationship? How do you know if Maura didn't cheat on him?

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    4. Renner posted earlier that she was cheating on Billy with her track coach months before she disappeared.

      That being said, none of us personally know the key players surrounding this situation and I think it unfair, unproductive and down right mean to talk badly about people, especially these young people that none of us know.

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    5. I said it was an impression, not that it was a fact. It has been said (allegedly by Maura's aunt)that she was heartbroken by Billy's (alleged) cheating. And yes, there have been allegations that Maura cheated too, AFTER Billy did, possibly in retaliation, though, as you point out, not necessarily. But if they had an open relationship, why would his (alleged) running around (allegedly) upset her?

      I just don't like cheating, and don't believe that every man in the military is an "upstanding guy." Military service does not confer sainthood.

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  22. Is it possible maura Disappeared then a few years later got in touch with Fred said something a long the lines of dad I'm alive but have made a fresh start please don't tell anybody and cos Fred loves maura has gone along with it?im sure if fred was asked on a polygraph if he knew what really happened I'm sure this would be the case

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    1. That is a possibility.

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  23. If my child went missing I would do everything possible to find her.i would prove my innocence if I was under suspicion so police could rule me out then concentrate their efforts else where.i would also welcome any publicity for the case.i would want any facts for books such as James' to be accurate so would cooperate.i can't understand why Fred is not doing this unless he knows something ie maura being alive and doesn't want to implicate himself by lying.i would welcome the case being kept in the public eye.this case has got me hooked and the more I read the more convinced I am that Fred knows more than he has admitted.

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  24. I think a new investigation into mauras disappearance is needed.police are either holding something back or something major has been missed.can the family demand a new investigation?im in the uk so not to sure how things work over there

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  25. I'm wondering about the 2/9/04 dispatcher's notes regarding the accident. The records says "BOL FOR A FEMALE ABT 507 ON FOOT...". Does "ABT 507" mean 'about 5'7"'? If so, who gave the dispatcher that description? The police officer? How would he know at that point how tall Maura is? Did that come from the bus driver? According to the incident report, the bus driver indicated that Maura was sitting in the vehicle when he happened by. So how did HE know how tall she was? Even if he later stated that she was standing outside the vehicle, how would the bus driver know that she's about 5'7"? Why would that be noted, and not, say, what she was wearing? If you're going to estimate that she was 5'7" (which just happens to be her exact height apparently), why not also estimate her weight while you're at it? Just seems a strange way to describe her if you've never seen her before, and/or only saw her briefly.

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    1. 507 is a code used by police to dispatch. This code means typically there is an vehicle that is needing to be impounded due to its location. "be on the look out regarding a code 507 driver who is on foot"

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    2. 507 might be a police dispatcher's code? Possibly "public nuisance"?

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    3. I believe she left her wallet and driver's license in the car, so the height would be listed on there. But that's beside the point since it's a police code number.

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    4. 5'7 is her height and this is something that has been always questioned....indeed, how did they know this?

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    5. Thanks, good to know. Does anyone know what the "ABT" stands for?

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    6. I first saw this story on Disappeared on ID in 2010. I feel like Maura was very troubled and thinking about taking her life. Her family and friends seem like they are in major denial about suicide being a possibility. I found a loved one the summer of 2009 after taking his life. He was a great person and had many family members and friends that loved him dearly! Depression is psychological and physical pain! I had my loved one on a "suicide watch" for at least 2 years. He also had a sister that took her life 30 years earlier and a 1st cousin who took an O.D and survived and a 2nd cousin the in her teens hung herself. James do you know if anyone else in her family has depression or commited suicide? Once you have a family or friend who completes suicide your chance of doing it yourself goes up about 300-400% (check out the book on suicide written by the Aunt of Kurt Cobain, she was a Psych. nurse and wrote a book on suicide!) Even if the person who is depressed and thinking about suicide has tons of loving family and friends, a great boyfriend, a great job this WILL NOT KEEP a depressed person from taking his or her life! You can be pulled back several times from the thoughts about taking your life, but after awhile the Psychological and physical pain get to be to much and the loved one enters "a tunnel" of no return and suicide is completed. Some of the BIG danger signs I see are that she drank heavily (alcohol is a DEPRESSNAT!), 2 MVA's in the same weekend, Credit card fraud,she packed up all her stuff in her dorm room like she was never coming back, the rag in the tailpipe really concerns me as I'm wondering if she thought she could commit suicide BEFORE the police showed up at the accident scene. Also what do you know about a "possible sighting" in Sherbrooke, Quebec? Would she have been able to cross the border into Canada without a passport as of 2004? Would she have been able to apply for a passport to cross the border without detection? Don't you need a birth certificate, ect? Has anyone scanned newspapers across the USA to see if she made a name change as I know it needs to be posted in a newspaper. If she got married in the USA she would need the same information. Was her Father really abusive? He seems like a nice guy on the show and is turning every stone to find her. I must also tell Maura that if she is reading this to please get in contact with a friend or family member as they really do care and love you! Contact an attorney as it doesn't sound like you have any problem that can't be solved so you can get back with your family and friends! Remember that your family, parents won't be around forever don't hold a grudge forever! You family and friends will welcome you back with open arms! I'm a nurse also Maura and all your problems can be worked out! I pray that you can find your way back to your family and friends! Good thoughts and prayers your way Maura!

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    7. I think that Maura's family should contact a solid Psychic, the producer's of "Disappeared" should be able to help them find one. At this point that is what I would do as I've seen stories where Psychic's do amazing things!

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  26. Does anyone happen to know Maura's exact TIME of birth? I'm interested in Forensic Astrology and that information would be exceedingly helpful to get a more precise reading of her inner and outer world at the time she went missing.

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    1. Hey Spiffy, can't you just find her missing person's flier on here or in a missing person's database?

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    2. I doubt Maura's TIME of birth (not the date) would be on a flier or in the missing person's database. Typically, the only place you'll find it is on the birth certificate, unless someone in her family has a really good memory. If someone in her family has her birth time, hopefully they'll leave a comment on this site. The time is needed to determine Maura's rising sign. The rising sign is about the individual's outer world--the physical body. Most forensic astrologers have only the birth date (without the time) to work with. This limits the forensics to the individual's inner world. I think it's more valuable to see what was happening in her inner world AND outer world at the exact time she disappeared. One thing this case has going for it, from a forensic astrology perspective, is that the exact time of disappearance is known.

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    3. Spiffy, i WANT to say I am hopeful about your 'forensic astrology' but let's be realistic. Can you tell me of ONE case where 'forensic astrology' has actually been successful? Good luck finding her TIME of birth.

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  27. If foul play wasn't involved, someone Maura had known for several years assisted her disappearance, which is my guess, most likely a male friend or relative. Maybe she felt she hadn't lived up to her family's expectations and just left. A similar incident on a much smaller scale happened to me. I was experiencing a ton of financial problems as well as work problems and went to live with a good friend from college nearly 1200 miles away. My transportation...a 1992 Lumina. That was 2004...and after a successful stint in the military, a marriage and baby, only two people to this day knew I had left Nashville..once my dream city. Just a personal reflection to enhance the notion there was possibly a good friend in Canada waiting to help her.

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    1. This is a horrible thing to do to your family. Did you ever consider them?

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  28. This is a copy of an email I had sent to a web site concerning the case of missing Maura Murry..I never had a reply however maybe some theses questions can be answered here???


    Today is April 14 th 2012 - I am writing you as I have just watched a show on "Net flix" titled " Disappeared" with shared the story of Maura Murray. My girl friend first watched the show and than her and I discussed it and than I watched it. While watching it of course I my self questioned many different things. I do not support the idea that this young vibrant woman took her life out of a case of depression, I also commend her father for doing all he has past, present and future. He is an amazing man and I feel any father given in this situation should never give up hope.

    This being said I there were a great many things unexplained that I didn't understand.

    - Did the police examine Maura Murray's car for fiber samples ie Hair, skin, finger prints, or anything other? If so what was the result of them ? This information was not disclosed in the programing.

    - The empty coke can that the police officer claimed " smelled of alcohol" was this particular can tested for alcohol was it tested for finger prints, impressions of whether a male or female had even drank from it or how long it could have been possibly sitting underneath Maura Murray's car at the time it was found?

    - Did the NH police make a scan of a 60 mile area and question everyone? ( I also understand that the NH police department is not cooperating with this family is it or would it be possible to bribe a law offical to disclose this information to the family legally or illegally ? When way or another the truth will find a time to surface and it's not fair to the family that they are being denied access to what could be helpful information.

    - Did the police scan " ALL possible Camera footage for a 60 mile area"?
    Looking for pick up trucks, vans, 18 wheelers, or just simply any car that had a woman in a passenger seat or even driver (however unlikely) that resembled anything close too Maura Murray?

    - The woman's underwear that was found in the woods what became of that? Again were they tested? What was the condition of them? Worn, color faded, ripped, torn, stained, how did they get there?

    - The police also mentioned that there have many false sitings of Maura Murray but what happened with that woman that " swore it was her" where was that woman located? How far away was this from her car crash wreckage and how long after was this.

    I truly hope that this woman is found, and my heart goes out to her family...

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  29. Like the poster above, I recently watched the "Disappeared" program on Net Flix. I had many of the same questions as the person above.

    Additionally, I wondered if a cadaver dog was ever used. I know this is a terrible thing to say insofar as any success using a cadaver dog would mean that Maura is not alive.

    Criminologists know that people tend to commit their crimes near their own homes. It seems like the use of a trained k-9 might provide some answers in the nearby residential areas.

    I also wondered about the bus driver that saw Maura. I suppose he was ruled out through the police investigation, but the program did not give much information about him and it seemed like he might be a person of interest.

    Like the others, I admire Maura's father's strength and perseverance and wish only the best of results for the family.

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  30. she had a prepaid phone it is a well known fact

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    1. By whom? None of her friends or family knew of her having any other phone, besides the one Billy's family provided her with.

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  31. This girl has been leading a double life! She is an alcoholic for sure, and so is her father. He said on the disappeared show to her in the press release that "we will hammer away at their problems..like they always do" ??? So there is obviously a history here. She was doing the credit card fraud to feed her drinking, They are lying about the first car crash, she did it drunk, or she is covering up for the father. Where if he gets caught he will loose his job or something. Which in turn will effect her tuition money. The second accident she was drunk and did not want the police to find out. The pink stuff in the snow was the wine, she poured it out so know would know how much she drank of the box ....pending a DUI charge. She has been keeping alot of secrets from her rich boyfriend aswell, he probably has very little knowledge of her hiding her drinking. That is what drinkers do...they lie and they hide! This poor girl was taking on way to much for her to handle. Track team, 2 part time jobs, and a heavy duty coarse load. Of course she was going to crack, she was living up to everyone elses expectations and could no long keep it hidden. I have no clue to what happened to her butI personnaly feel she disappeared on her own. Oh and another thing she would for sure have an other cell phone! If my mans family got my cell bill and could see all my personal calls! That is a no brainer! Hope she is ok, and comes home to her mom

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