Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Why It's Probably Not Israel Keyes


On Sunday, confessed serial killer Israel Keyes committed suicide in an Alaskan jail. He was awaiting trial there for the February abduction/murder of 18-year-old Samantha Koenig. He had also confessed to the 2011 murder of Bill and Lorraine Currier, a middle-aged couple who were killed in their Essex, Vermont home. Following his suicide, the FBI have released a timeline of Keyes' travels across the country and have asked the public to help them figure out which other crimes he may be connected to.

Since then, there's been a lot of speculation about whether Keyes may be a good suspect for Maura's disappearance. I do believe he should be looked at, if only to rule him out, but I think it is very unlikely Keyes had anything to do with what happened to Maura Murray.

Keyes, like many serial killers, was highly organized. He stalked his victims and the crime scenes for some time before acting, to make sure he could commit the rapes and murders without being caught. Even though he was traveling across country, his murders were not "crimes of opportunity." They were meticulously planned hunts.

It is extremely unlikely that Keyes happened to be driving by the scene of Maura's accident in rural New Hampshire in the seven minutes she was alone and decided to abduct her in clear view of three homes. It would be too much of a coincidence in timing. And Keyes had no control of the scene.

A much more likely explanation is that Maura was traveling in tandem with someone she knew and left with them after they turned around to pick her up after she crashed.

24 comments:

  1. I don't rule Keys 100% out as someone who could've planned it. He didn't know his victims.

    I take it, based on your assumptions, that you are stuck on Maura's dad being a likely perp? Those assumptions leave the door open for a stranger to be a perp, too.

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  2. When is your book on maura murray coming out. I read Finding Amy and am anxious to read more of your work

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  3. I don't think Mr. Renner is assuming her father is her killer. I do think, and perhaps Mr. Renner does, that it's possible he (her father) knows more about her disappearance and the reasons behind it.

    Of course it's possible Maura was picked up by a stranger who killed her. Perhaps unlikely but certainly possible. But if you think about all the other strange things that happenend in the days before she disappeared, I think there is a connection between those events and her disappearance. Or at least you are tempted to believe there is a connection and that her disappearance is not a case of extreme bad luck and coincidence (her car breaking down and meeting a killer in the next 7 minutes).

    JW

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  4. I disagree James. LE did a a sit down interview with keys, keys Talks about how he would venture to areas that could not be attributed or linked to him. Keys would seek out opportunities where other people would gather. He also talked about having a scanner in his car to avoid cops etc... Maybe Keys saw maura at a gas station in vermont or Woodsville and followed her. Maybe keys stuck the rag in her tailpipe.

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    1. I totally agree with above commentators- Keyes flew into Manchester, CT and clocked 1000s of miles driving around. He admitted hunting and killing in that area only 8 months after the disappearance- flight to Manchester proves it. He also liked to hunt opportunistically in camping areas-the famed White Mtn camping areas were likely a place known and familiar to him and to which he would be drawn. Keyes DID take high risks at times and that was in fact his undoing- he held up a woman at a coffee kiosk near his home and the abduction was all on camera! He also manipulated victims vis a vie their cars. The urges lend to mistakes and risk is part of the thrill. He may have had another woman in the car similar in age to Maura- he was an intelligent, beguiling, practiced sociopath with an Eddie Vedder look- Maura's contemporary (Keyes was born in 78; Maura was born only 4 years prior)- he may have picked up a woman that didn't know his plan when he thought two would be even more of a challenge and thrill. A woman of similar age could have put Maura at ease- hurry up- you're going to get arrested-come with us and we'll drop you in the next town, you can get a place and come back for the car in the morning. Maybe he's panicked and drunk set off guard and agrees and jumps in. Then maybe later on he pulls a gun and subdues them both, drugs them, takes advantage of lowered defenses perhaps hours or even a day later...

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  5. Why is it "much more likely" that Maura Murray was traveling in tandem with someone she knew? Can you provide the evidence that supports that theory?
    Thanks.

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  6. This is strange; http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=SxTw0isuzHs ~kolina

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  7. I think Mr. Renner picked a great case for a blog. The title of this post could be used as the title for many of the posts, "Why it is probably not..."

    I would be interested in knowing why it is more likely she was traveling in tandem with someone. I cannot understand how two people traveling in different cars would not contact each other once during a nearly 3 hour trip. Maybe they were using walkies, but even in 2004 that seems rather unlikely. Then you also have the bus driver who interrupts.

    There are so many of these inconsistencies with Maura Murray's case that make it so intriguing. Take the example of the email and the accident. On one hand, Maura writes an email where she lies about having to take a week off due to a death in the family. 4-5 hours later that same day she crashes her car on that curve. Which one is more likely to be real, the email or the accident?

    The email's intention is to give her time to get away, whether to relax with an excuse or disappear. Therefore, the accident is a real accident. The email supports this because of when it is written.

    This case is a great example of how people think. Since Maura has not been found, she either died in the woods, disappeared, or was kidnapped and murdered. The ironic thing is that this case may be just what the facts suggest it is no matter how hard everyone wants to put thought into it. She drank and drive, crashed, and then either was kidnapped or took a ride. That is what the facts of the case suggest.

    I just think if she did take a ride it was probably not with anyone she knew.

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  8. Mr. Renner. Would you check with your sources close to maura if she did have the bowling shoes half red/blue? Please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it. These are the shoes I saw Maura wearing that day I saw her. Thank You for all you have done.

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    1. Bowling shoes? Did Mr. Renner get back to uou on this? Does anyone know if Killer Keyes ket trophies, ie diamond necklaces etc?

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  9. Wow, December 18, 2012 11:15 PM - probably one of the only people I see on here (besides me) that makes sense seem so common.

    The idea she was traveling in tandem with someone seems so ludicrous, and I've spent 8 years trying to figure this disappearance out. At best, she MAY have been followed from somewhere she stopped, like a gas station. But I don't believe that. Even if it was unlikely that someone in those 7-10 minutes drove by the exact location she wrecked, there's a VERY good chance she had run away from the scene since evidence indicates she was drinking and driving, AND someone (at least reportedly) said they saw her running. I think the odds on her being picked up are much greater at that point. And she didn't have to be picked up by a 'dirtbag' either. What if someone dropped her off ten miles down the road on the way to wherever they were headed and she hitched another ride? What if she said just take me to the next town and let me out, and then succumbed to the elements? The odds of those things happening are way higher than "driving in tandem"...

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    1. I shared your logic/opinion when I first delved into this story, but then I went over everything I could find on the Internet with a fine tooth comb. Even then, it took me several months of pondering at odd moments--when trying to sleep, in the shower, while driving--when I finally had a couple of aha moments.

      A lot of the people commenting here have not really delved into the story deeply. The ID show, Disappearance, leaves out a lot of significant information and was very selective about the information they chose to include. That's the nature of the series--wouldn't be as entertaining if it weren't such a mystery, right?

      I've spent many hours researching this case myself, and I've come to the conclusion--based on everything I read and viewed--that Maura disappeared purposely, either with the help of her father or with the help of a friend/boyfriend.

      When I see the father on the TV shows, I'm still inclined to believe everything he says, since he seems so, so sincere. However, when you ignore emotion, like a good investigator, and stick with the facts, he becomes a very viable "suspect".

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  10. Have you checked inmate records along the east coast to see if Maura is in jail somewhere?

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    1. Boy, this is not a bad question! But the entire country and Canada should be checked, wouldn't you think?


      John Avellar

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  11. I wrote to the FBI regarding this matter, they did not respond but I did see an article in the paper Burlington Press, stating the Keyes was not involved in Brianna Maitland's disappearance/death, as he was known to be elsewhere. I do think Keyes could have been in wait at a gas station, store and followed her, however don't know where he was in Feb. 2004.

    A local person from the area stated that near the Atwoods' Home, there is a hunting lodge/camp owned or visited by a person who drove a red truck and had License plates from Maine. There was a report of a red truck in the area, the driver acting very suspicious was seen by a person walking along the highway, and the timing fits the time of the accident. Haverhill is on route from Constable, NY to Hampden where Keyes sister lives. Will write once again and asked the FBI about where Keyes was on the night Maura went missing. Food for thought!

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    1. The driver was not acting suspiciously according to the person who saw him.


      John Avellar

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    2. Someone on these boards wrote Maura had cousins close by to where she broke down, does anyone know of this which I speak? She could be in jail, she can use her social security number so why not, no one had the balls to declare her dead.

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  12. I agree - the red truck is key. I have thought since a week after this happened, that the red truck was someone Maura knew and was following her. Nothing to do with Keyes. I think Maura's Dad is also key. There is something going on that has never been told. I think Dad knows why Maura left and he has done all this as he wants free (law enforcement ) help to find her.

    I just can't wait for the book.

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  13. hi- I am Mauras first cousin. Although her mom Laurie was my moms sister, mauras dad is my uncle. Any one here who thinks that my uncle Fred had anything to do with Maura dissappearing is totally incorrect. That poor man suffers each and every day with this. I hope someday you will all come to realize that if you really want to help find Maura you would take your mind off of Uncle Fred, it is just not an option. I know that for sure. Please focus your attention where it is needed and greatly appreciaited from my entire family.

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    1. I'd be very interested to hear your side of the story. Please contact me directly at becarriedaway@hotmail.com Thank you.

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  14. While I have no reason to believe that Keyes had any involvement here, I disagree slightly with your assessment.

    Keyes was known to choose a location, hide a "cache" and lie in wait.

    As stated in an Oregon paper, during FBI interviews, "Keyes reported [that] he staked out the North Fork Trailhead in Eagle River, Alaska with the intention of abducting someone. He prepared a cache a short distance up the road that contained Drano and a shovel which he intended to use to dispose of the body."

    Therefore, while I agree that Keyes did not commit crimes of opportunity in the sense that he planned to commit murder, in another sense, he created situations where he would have an opportunity to successfully commit murder. If he had inadvertently stumbled upon such a situation, who's to say that he wouldn't have seized it?

    -- Coincidence in timing.

    Once, Keyes planned to kill a couple sitting in a car in a parking lot. According to the paper previously quoted, "a police officer pulled into the lot. Keyes considered shooting the officer but changed his mind when a second police officer showed up."

    If the second officer hadn't showed up, Keyes would have killed him. It would have been a coincidence for that officer to patrol that parking lot at that time. But it would have happened.

    --No control of the scene

    What control did he have over the Common Grounds Espresso (i.e., the place where SK worked?).

    Is it likely that Keyes killed Maura? No.

    But if, on a night that he had planned to commit murder, he had spotted her on the road, abduction and murder would be entirely consistent with what we know about him.


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  15. Dude. Keys is the best lead. In a long time.

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  16. I feel Keyes should be looked at highly in Maura's case, very familiar with the area, he had the old run-down home in upstate N.Y..On the Nov. 29th tape-- they bring in a huge stack of papers...It shocks Keyes as you can tell, he blurts out "Wow, thats a lot"...the lady investigator begins to show him these photo's and some if you watch close makes Keyes stop for a few seconds and he looks as if he is really thinking hard on some of the photo's..Not every murder of keyes was planned out, he told FBI that he only meant to rob the coffee stand that night, but when he saw Samantha he could not resist, as she handed him the coffee he ordered, he pulled his gun, zip tied her hands, then slid through the window
    I have tried to follow Maura's case, but I'm sure not as much as some have but I have followed Keyes case when they released his 1st photo and that was before they knew he was a serial killer...just because his photo affected me so bad
    I hope each one here got the opportunity to see the 3rd season premier of Dark Minds on Investigation Discovery channel...it had a 2 hour show on Israel Keyes...very informative...but if Keyes was the one that took Maura, it is highly unlikely her body will ever be discovered because he told FBI that "NONE" of his victims bodies could ever be found, so that told me he sure disposed of the bodies very well and most will be in bodies of water, yet he choose places like Crescent Lake where it would be impossible for any diver to go that far down and they stated the waters there was very very cold.
    Keyes entered my mind when I 1st saw Maura's dad on TV....I will never believe the father had anything to do with her disappearence and I have this to add, I am not that UP on the phone calls made to Maura before her disappearence......Keyes was known to stalk his victims before the kidnaps and killings, they have not released this to the public as of now, but Lorraine Currier in Essex Vermont (one of Keyes victims) told her co-workers she felt as if someone was following her or stalking her and this was just a few days before he zoomed in and kidnapped and killed Lorraine and her husband...it was so bad that her husband went out and bought a gun, sadly that gun was taken the night he kidnapped them and it was used to kill Bill Currier
    Did Maura get phone calls from a stranger???....when she was doing her everyday life in the usual way, did she feel someone was watching her???.....Perhaps the reason all boxes were packed, she was taken as in the Currier case at night and forced into her own car...Keyes was a known alcoholic, Did Maura or was Maura seen or known to be the one that bought the wine???.....and Keyes was definitely known to frequent trails and I'm sure he was very familiar with the one some think Maura perhaps went to that night, he was also known for Marathon Runs..it would have been very hard to escape this Monster....My thinking is did Maura perhaps manage to get out of her car, but was soon apprehended by this creep Keyes???...but would love to know if there are 100% True cell phone call records before her going missing, this could be why she was so upset right before she was thought to have gone missing....in the Dark Minds show, he brought a bottle of wine out to the shed where he had Samantha, gave her some water, yet he stood and sipped on his glass of wine telling her details of what he planned on doing to her....I'm sure any phone calls from this POS would have horrified any person living on this earth and perhaps a few threats here and there I'm sure would have been added.....I feel any missing person that has been gone a few years should be looked at as Keyes being the #1 POI....and if there is 1 tiny bit of dna anywhere in the car or on the car, his dna has now been added in CODIS.

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  17. Keyes strayed from his MO only once, killing the girl in Alaska. Keyes knew all to well the dangers of acting on impulse and not planning his actions first.

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