Thursday, April 18, 2013

More Reasons to Forget the Vasi Connection

Remember Karen Mayotte?

She was Maura's supervisor, the one who found her nearly catatonic after receiving a call at her security post the week before she disappeared.

I asked Karen if she thought it was possible Maura could have snuck away for a bite to eat or some coffee, hit Petrit Vasi (as the theory goes), and return to her post. Here's what she said:

I do not think that she left her shift and was involved at the hit and run accident, for a number of reasons. First of all, the parking lot takes about five minutes to get to your car, and by the time you drove to Amherst Center, had the hit and run, drive back and walk back to the dorm for your shift...she would have gotten caught leaving her post. Her ID card to get into the dorm at that point would be deactivated, as she should already be in there working, thus she'd be stuck outside waiting for someone to open the door, then sneak in to sit back at the desk. And her stuff was sprawled on the desk...nursing book, cell phone, and I don't see her sneaking away, and then taking her book out again. The supervisors are always rotating around Southwest to check up on the receptionists. Thus the odds of her being able to go get the car, do the drive, get back to the dorm...nope, don't see it happening. As I tell my first graders when learning about probability....very highly unlikely.

I like Karen. Then again, I like anyone who can look at this case objectively.

The reason for Maura's disappearance may have begun that night but I don't think it had anything to do with Vasi. The answer was probably much closer to home.

22 comments:

  1. Very good work! At least you are removing and clarifying some of the issues I wanted to know and was not allowed to ask on MMMG.I always wondered why her supervisor had not been interviewed and I always wondered about how significant the "red truck" was....you have answered both. Thank you very much.It goes behond me why that group, and her 'relatives" like to play games regarding the simplest information....Arrogance and sadistic if one is to categorize it.

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  2. There's one way that the Vasi hit and run can still be connected - and I think it's worth considering.

    What if Maura had accused Vasi of rape and her father and/or sister to Amherst to "take care of him." The phone call she got could have been informing her what had been done.

    Freaked out now not only about the rape (and possible pregnancy) but how her family decided to "take care of it," she skips town.

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  3. This theory lacks a lot of verisimilitude. After reading about the dorm ID card which I can tell you from experience is designed to keep strangers out of the building, Karen makes a good point.

    All I want to know about is the Franzia wine. I still find it hard to believe the box AND bag could break apart in an accident. The wine just did not disappear if as it was reported the box was near empty. Either she drank it or dumped it. There is no way at all that I believe she drank an entire box of Franzia wine in 3-4 hours!

    If the bag is intact, then in my opinion, the scene is staged and if that part was staged you have to wonder what else is staged.

    If the bag is not intact, leaking all over the backseat of the car, then she most likely is the victim of a crime or at the very least a good amount of bad luck.

    In my opinion, the wine bag is an important detail.

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    1. They said on the Disappeared show that there was a red spot in the snow where the wine was thought to have been dumped on purpose after the accident.

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    2. Where does it say it was found empty?

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    3. It says it was found "near empty" in a very recent article written in the Concord Monitor published on March 31, 2013.

      It would be interesting to see the photos of the backseat of the car because if the bag was punctured which means the box was also punctured, you would think there would be a large puddle stain in the backseat. The underneath of the wine box would also be soaked in wine from it leaking out. The police did not get a search warrant for at least a day so the wine would have drained out.

      As for the spot in the snow it was thought that came from the Coke bottle she was using to drink the wine or there would be two spots in the snow, one from the Coke bottle, the other from the rest of the wine. But maybe she had just finished the Coke bottle of wine before the accident. I guess that is always a possibility.

      I have talked about the wine enough, but there is one other theory about it. Maybe she used the Coke bottle to splash some wine around the car and then dumped the rest of the wine in the snow? It would be interesting to know about WHY the wine bag is empty because I know this for sure:

      A female of Maura Murray's size, the amount of time, and the amount of wine, there is no way in the world she could drink that much wine. I just thought it was weird that someone as smart as Maura would take that much time to empty a bag of wine out of a box, then put the box back in the car, all the while concerned the police were on their way. There just seemed something very strange about that....at least to me.

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    4. The box of wine haunts me and I believe is key. Initially I felt this purchase was key to her potentially meeting someone. I would counter about people assuming Maura would not be able to drink this amount. If this girl was drinking every night she might well have built up quite a tolerance. Atwood, the bus driver who helped her said she was shaking - the rush of adrenaline might well have disguised the effects of intoxication. Of course the bag might well have been accidentally ripped when she opened it. I just don't see her emptying this bag after or before the accident as it makes no sense I can see.

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  4. Thank you James (and Karen) for finally putting a rest to this Vasi conspiracy.

    As a UMass graduate and someone familiar with the area, I've not surprisingly been very interested in this case from the time I enrolled at the school and for a while frequented as many forums, websites, blogs, etc. about Maura and have said time and time again that it was not possible for Maura to have been involved in the hit-and-run, yet some people kept on going back to it like it was a missing piece of the puzzle.

    Just looking at a map and seeing where Maura was posted and where the accident was would make it clear this couldn't have happened.

    Hopefully this puts an end to all the speculation about a Vasi connection.

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  5. I don't know if I can post a link, so I took out the . and wrote the word "dot." Go to this link and scroll down to Maura's picture and click. I know most people don't believe in psychics, but it's interesting to see that Helena Murray posted there and that the psychic says "the people who are looking for her know where she is." He thought a police man abducted her, but maybe that quote applies to someone she knew/knows.
    briansprediction dot com/missing-public-1.html

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  6. Maybe a friend or boyfriend of Maura's hit Vasi (with her car or their own car) and Fred came up the following weekend to help out. Maybe he brought money for an attorney's fee? I still think that Maura had committed another crime (maybe a larger theft, not a hit and run) and that's why she was acting so strangely and why Fred wants to cover up the whole thing.

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  7. James,

    With all due respect (meaning a great amount), I think you are falling victim to false alternative thinking. To wit, the conclusion that Maura did not hit Vasi does not mean it is irrelevant. What if someone she was very close to hit him, then called to tell her about it? What if that someone was driving Maura's car when he or she hit her? What if it was a family member? I am not suggesting that any of this happened. But I am pointing out that the conclusion that Maura did not hit Vasi does not necessarily - by itself - render the Vasi hit irrelevant.

    ~ John Green

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    1. Good point.

      I think the possibility of a connection with Vasi has survived so long in people's minds (including my own) because that incident serves as an excellent *placeholder* for the type of incident that could have actually driven Maura away. So even if Maura herself didn't hit Vasi, and even if the Vasi incident is completely unrelated to Maura's case--NEITHER of which I am ready to concede, by the way--something else phenomenologically similar may well have happened. Something of a similar scale and timeframe, and with similar implications for Maura and/or others.

      So, in short, I think we shouldn't be asking, "Who hit Vasi?", but rather, "Who/what was Maura's 'Vasi'?"

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    2. I have to agree... it may seem illogical to consider the basic hit relevant, but it may also be to consider it irrelevant. It seems very strange that maura would recieve a call and break down around the same moment a man is hit.. and then to look for a new car the very next day. I agree that maura was probably not driving the car, but I am not so sure it wasn't mauras car...

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    3. John,
      I absolutely agree with you that it is too coincidental to not be connected in some way. I do believe her car was involved in the hit and run. And I do believe her father came that weekend to help her in some way. It is obvious, based on the evidence that Maura planned to get away, at least temporarily. To leave in the midst of a Nursing program and two jobs, in an impromptu way, suggests to me that the reason was a major one and that it involved something that had JUST happened. The only reason those close to her would have for not speaking out would be because they are afraid or to protect the reason Maura left. Or both. I enjoy your insight and ability to look at all things, all sides. AnonWV

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    4. Without Vasi, it seems Maura had enough going on in her life to make her want to run or escape. Trouble with Billy, the credit card fraud, the West Point departure and letting her father down could have all contributed to a non-Vasi "Vasi."

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  8. I have a theory about the phone call to her sister. I don't remember which sister it was that she talked to, but I do remember reading that the sister stated that nothing in the conversation would have been that upsetting to Maura. I believe that sister could be telling the truth. Remember that Maura was under a significant amount of stress. Nursing school is no joke without the pressure of a father who required perfection, and a criminal history that was probably close to catching up to her. It could have been something the sister said as insignificant as how well or how poorly she herself was doing, that could have made it hit home with Maura that she had probably completely f-ed up her life. Nursing school causes people to have break downs all the time. It's rare that someone so young makes it through the first time without dropping out or taking a break. It's very high stress. That being said, I really wish you would interview someone with the nursing program. There is no doubt in my mind that if Maura didn't get kicked out before she graduated (for her criminal history) then she definitely would not have been able to obtain a nursing license. At least not on her own. She may have been able to have gotten an attorney to expunge her record, but that would have been very expensive, and doesn't really guarantee approval by the nursing board. I'm taking boards this summer, and I have known several people (in the state of Georgia btw) who have been either denied permission, or had to jump through many expensive legal hoops to be allowed to just test. A few of these people did have expungements or first offender status on their records. I know if I had gotten as far as Maura had, and known it was all for nothing, I would have lost my shit too. If at that time her sister was being very successful I could see that triggering a break down. Competition/comparisons between siblings happens, and we all know at that time Maura was falling short on all the expectations that were being put on her.
    -C

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    1. C, excellent insight! Yes, something her sister said, something that anyone else might have deemed insignificant, might well have been a major trigger to Maura if she were under significant pressure.

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    2. C, Are nursing students who are at the point of doing clinicals as Maura was, required to be drug and alcohol tested?

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  9. Was Maura only back at school from break for one week before going missing? Does anyone know how she got back to college after Christmas break? I assume she didn't drive the Saturn home. Did someone drive her out to Amherst?

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  10. When I was back on the old Helena Murray site I always found Karen's words compelling and believable, and if I nonetheless continued to think that there was a good chance that Maura hit Vasi, it was only because of the handful of years I worked in security myself on off hours when the site supervisor was home with his family. These supervisors were never considered the enemy, but we regular guards viewed them as in no way one of the guys so to speak. This meant that we always kept up on when they were likely to arrive given previous experience with them. No one was doing anything wrong, but it was just the fact that they could easily cause significant trouble for any guard they wrote up. Consequently we made sure to go out to get something to eat in between their perceived arrival time. It was an us against them mentality to the extent that they were doing security as a career while most of us were doing it as a job we would one day gladly leave. All this meant that if we were going to dare to do something like leave to buy a meal, we had to coordinate our movements or else. Maura seems like the type of rule-breaker who would have been especially likely to plan ahead if she wanted to go out and drive somewhere. I know the window of opportunity is not great, but I am certain that ruling it out completely-which I know no one is doing-simply cannot be done. That said the extent of the breakdown Maura is described to have suffered would have absolutely prevented her from going to a party that night. No, she must have been faking all the way and not because she hit Vasi, but, just as one of her own sisters initially told the police, because she probably just wanted to get out of work early. This does not mean that I consider her to be a person of low character, but, as a friend of mine has pointed out, perhaps something in her childhood caused her to rely upon extreme manipulation to get what she wanted.



    John Avellar

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  11. Sorry about the mistake about the party being that night of the crying jag.

    John Avellar

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  12. i will admit I did not read everyone's post on here so sorry if this question is redundant but did they ever try to trace, track down, or find out where this "life changing" call to her work desk came from?

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