Monday, April 1, 2013

The Saco Connection is Pretty Cool

Remember the Saco thing? The report my PI kicked up on Maura showed that someone used her name or social security number in Saco, Maine a couple months after she went missing. Well, the address was listed under the name Richard Graves. I was going to look into it when I got back home. But then I ran into Tim Carpenter, who mentioned that I should talk to the guy who helped Fred search for Maura every weekend for a year. The guy's name? Rick Graves from Saco, Maine.

I just spoke to Rick.

An amateur sleuth who moonlights at Home Depot, Rick was "hip to hip" with Fred every weekend for a year, walking through the woods, looking for Maura. Got to know Fred and the family really well. There will be more about Rick in the book. Suffice to say he's a nice man who wanted to help. Here's some highlights from out interview:

- He stayed at the Wells River Motel, next to Fred's room on the weekends. Every morning, Fred would have to go running first, shower, then they would set out for the search.

- Also present for these searches was Tim and Kathleen, a "dowser" named Dave, and Fred's cousins Sookie and Pattie.

- He thinks Fred is a good guy. Conservative. But nice. And he paid for everything.

- During his first search, Rick found an empty vodka bottle on Lime Kiln Road, which he thought might be connected. He told Tim and Kathleen about it but doesn't know what happened after that.

- Kathleen found a pair of thong panties in a driveway which he believes may have been Maura's. The cops tested it and said it wasn't related.

- He found strange skid marks on Rt. 18 in Franconia.

- He personally went through Maura's stuff when it was stored in Tim's basement. He found some notes in her pockets. One of them was about Billy cheating on her.

- It appeared she was looking for jobs at brew pubs in Mass.

And here's the big stuff.

Rick says the story Fred told him about the night Maura left the party and ended up at the hotel was different from the statement he gave police. Fred told him that Maura had gone to the hotel lobby after the tow truck dropped her off and passed out in a chair. The hotel clerk called his room, woke him up and he went and brought her back to the room.

The reason Maura's name is associated with Rick's address is because Fred gave him permission that year to put a trace on her social security and credit card numbers. If she ever used them, he'd get a notice.

There was a rumor that Maura was raped at the dorm party but they've never been able to get the full story from Kate Markopolous or Sara Alfieri.

Take this next statement with a grain of salt.

Rick visited a medium and before he said why he was there, the woman told him, "Kate knows everything."

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  1. I guess its time to talk to Kate Markopolous?

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  2. Wow wow wow. What the true story may be seems even more confounding!

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  3. Wow. I feel as though you have uncovered more in your few years of searching for the truth than law enforcement has.

    I'm totally speechless about the above information.

    Maura really had a lot on her plate, on every level of her life, and that is very sad.
    What's more sad, is that her "friend" keeps her mouth closed, even after all these years, is she afraid of someone?

    You know, If we went with the rape theory (i hope this didn't happen to her), I would see why there may be motive for murder, maybe an overachieving young college guy, afraid she would say something, or someone would say something.

    By the way, I've heard conflicting things on Tim Carpenter. You looked up Kathleen's criminal record, and i suggest you do the same for Tim Carpenter.

    Looking forward to your book.

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  4. Skid marks on Rt 18 in Franconia? Thats quite a distance away, relatively speaking. Where the heck do you think we are talking about here? Its rural NH, a common pastime of local kids is to race cars/trucks or otherwise mess around with vehicles. Thats life in a redneck town. By strange, I'm guessing you mean meandering, irregular which is perfectly consistent with people just messing around. If they are unintentional, plenty of moose and deer to cause people to swerve, ice to cause accidents, etc.

    If this PI is reading anything into skid marks on a rural road 30+ miles from the accident, he is not much of a PI.

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    1. I agree. And unless the Vodka bottle on LKR had something very specific tying it to Maura that's a heck of a reach too. Empty vodka bottles in rural NH aren't exactly rare and LRK is quite far from the crash.

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  5. Another thing I always found baffling, why was Laurie, never present in any searches? I recall reading someone her ankle was broken at one time? But what about all the other times? Fred always seemed much more concerned for his daughter than Laurie ever did.

    There was one point where I actually felt as though Sharon was trying to 'sub in' as a motherly figure for Maura; maybe she knew Maura didn't have much of a mother figure in her life. Sad.

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    1. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/southofboston-ledger/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=127027436#fbLoggedOut

      note the part that says lengthy illness. She was sick with cancer for years.

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  6. You need to get Kate to talk

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  7. If Maura was raped at the party, then that's clearly a game changer, and at the very least explains why she might have gone back to the dad's hotel instead of staying in the dorm...but again you have to ask the question why would the friends keep their mouths shut about it? Girlfriends generally don't protect rapists.

    It would also give a very, proximate, real reason for Maura to get in the car and drive very far away. Because presumably the rapist was someone in the dorm.

    And wasn't there searches about abortion and the effects of alcohol on a pregnancy the day of the disappearance? If so, that fits too.

    It's looking more and more like there's a very specific sequence of events that would make sense of the nearly inexplicable behavior of all concerned. It feels tantalizingly close at this point...but still frustratingly elusive.

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    1. Steubenville, OH - case rested.

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    2. "but again you have to ask the question why would the friends keep their mouths shut about it? Girlfriends generally don't protect rapists." Um college kids are assholes. If they knew the rapist longer than Maura, they completely would have turned on her. I've seen that exact scenario happen. I wouldn't put too much stock in the computer searches either. She was a nursing student (as am I) and at some point she would had to have taken an entire semester of Maternal and Newborn Nursing before she graduated. Trust me, you spend a lot of time researching fetal alcohol syndrome, abortions, STDs etc. I'd hate for my family to look at my search history. They'd think I had gonorrhea and pinworms.

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    3. OK, all good to know.

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    4. Anon 5:41--Yes, OMG, yes. Generally speaking, people don't speak up as it happens because they're afraid of immediate or future reprisals; they don't speak up after the fact because they feel guilty/complicit, either personally or that they might be in the eyes of the law. Teens have peer pressure added to the mix. (Some people truly have no empathy and just don't care, which is terrifying.) I wish we could all be brave and speak up.

      Also--Me too, re: search history, ha ha.

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  8. Lime Kiln Road is a LONG way from the accident site...but it's a suggestive spot. If Maura took off from the accident site on foot, odds are high she took Bradley Hill Road. That winds up on 116, then if you head west for a looong way, Lime Kiln Road is the first through road heading south. Thing is, to judge by the map, at that point you're almost to civilization and Lime Kiln takes you further away.

    Why in the dickens what Maura need to go THAT far? And why head south, when she was originally headed east? If the vodka bottle WAS connected...it seems a sketchy connection to me but he was there and I wasn't...it greatly strengthens the "wandered off to die" theory. Because to be on Limekiln Road means you are going as far as you can and staying in the mountains on through back roads as much as possible, with no destination in mind. That's the only logical (if you can call it that) reason to be there that I can see.

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  9. So if this new story about how Maura got in Fred's hotel room is true, and it certainly tracks better than the official story...why did Fred lie? Particularly on a police report? The sequence of events seems totally innocuous. There's nothing illegal or shameful about it. Why make up a whole different story that aroused police suspicions?

    If you can answer that question, you may begin to unravel some of this thing. Because I can't for the life of me imagine why the need to change the story.

    What does the new story change? Basically, as far as I can see, the big difference is the new story says Fred is sleeping through the critical period. But why would establishing this be important?

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    1. The police report makes it sound like the accident was caused by careless driving, whereas Maura being passed out in the hotel lobby makes it sound like the accident was caused from drinking. That's another difference.

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    2. That is a very good point...but it's hard to see why it's worth lying to the police about X days later. She's already beaten the rap; they can't prove anything retroactively just by the fact that she was passed out in the lobby at 3 a.m.

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    3. Agreed. However, I would hope the police would have followed up with any persons at the hotel he was staying at, that could have seen either her or him. Can this be confirmed by the clerk that called, phone records, and how do they know that Maura was his daughter? Did they speak with her? Usually there are two different shifts at a hotel, day shift and night shift. Even if she had been there working out early that day, only the day shift people would see her. So how did night shift know to call Fred?

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  10. So does this mean there was a use of Maura Murray's SSN info in late 2004, or that it was a false alarm? It's not clear from this blog post which is the case.

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    1. It means that Rick Graves was the false alarm. The activity on the ss# was Rick Graves putting a trace on the number.

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  11. Rereading the "lost weekend" section of the blog, it appears Maura was walked back to her dorm room from the party by Kate and Sara along with one or more male relatives of each. Then shortly thereafter we have Maura leaving her dorm and heading to her dad's, wrecking the car along the way. And now we have a rumor of some kind of a rape or quasi-rape possibly occuring at the party.

    If such a thing did happen, and male relatives of Kate and Sara were involved, it would certainly go a long way toward explaining their otherwise inexplicable silence (and reluctance to name other people at the party...potential witnesses, though presumably if such a thing took place it happened at Maura's dorm and not at the party per se). But it's a mind-bloggling scenario to contemplate. Still, a picture does seem to be forming that hangs together...it's becoming less and less difficult to fathom why Maura would have suddenly bolted college.

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    1. What the hell is a "quasi-rape"?!

      We don't know what happened, but if it wasn't consenting it was rape. End of. No such thing as a "quasi-rape"!

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  12. Interesting post. If Fred went searching every weekend for a year, it makes it looks like Fred genuinely doesn't know where she is. Possibly he has an idea (probably along the suicide/murder lines), but I don't think he knows for sure. However, he might know a lot more about what she was running from that he lets on.

    Chris

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  13. very interesting and great work James. I do have one question regarding
    Ricks story about tracing Maura. How would an amateur sleuth have the ability to trace someone else' s name and or social security to see if there has been any activity? I can see someone googling the name etc.. but what other resources could an amateur sleuth possibly have?

    In regards to the medium visit, I also find this amazing. I have had the feeling all along that Kate knows more than what she has been saying. It would be interesting to follow up with the medium that Rick visited to see if she has anything else to add.

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    1. Just googling around and it seems it's done rather easily and anyone can do it for a fee. Essentially searching for any public records with SS# on it. Does not appear to be illegal since it is using publc records. This guy may have done something much more sophisticated but it apparently can be done legally. The SS Admin will also send a letter on your behalf to someone if you know their SS# but not their address.(just an interesting thing I found)

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  14. I think the girls aren't talking because Fred has told them not to, and they're scared of Fred. That in itself should tell us something.

    Maybe Fred has even threatened them with something if they do talk.

    WHY does Fred care so much about keeping it completely silent? There are lots of possible reasons. One is that Maura was indeed involved in the Vasi accident.

    I imagine Kate does know everything. She's been particularly evasive, which would suggest she has serious info.

    However, I hope people (including James) don't fall for the medium's comment, or future comments, as worthy of any attention. This case won't be solved without holding on to a modicum of common sense.


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    1. "Sunday morning, Maura woke me up..she had come back, you now, at during the night and told me she had an accident in my car..." This is exactly what Fred says, word to word on the 'Miles to Nowhere' episode.
      Sharon also says in reference to Maura calling Billy that same morning, Billy told her he promised he would call her later back the same day..did he ever follow through with his promise?
      After everything I know now, and having just rewatched the episode.. I don't think at the age Maura was at being missing..that she could possibly go from being caught in every credit card fraud she tried to pull pull off, and every car accident..to going to completely falling off the Earth without even her SS# being used.. Sadly, i doubt she is no longer alive.
      A lot of times, I think maybe someone hit her, it was pitch black out, and icy roads= easy to do. You don't normally see folks walking on streets in the middle of winter, pitch black out, in the North, very unusual. Most people don't think to take extra precautions..

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    2. It was not pitch black. It was almost full moon and mostly clear of clouds on Feb 4th '04 at 19:50 according to the weather report published in this same blog (http://mauramurray.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/detailed-weather-reports-from-day-of.html). There should be quite good visibility, more so taken into account the snow on the floor reflecting the moonlight.

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  15. While this information is great, it only adds to the mystery surrounding the case. I would like to know more about the evidence associated with the case.

    For example, was the box of wine nearly empty as reported? Since it was just bought in Amherst, I think that is an interesting question. I know there had to be at least one place Maura Murray visited on her way to Bartlett and that was a bathroom.

    Did anyone ever ask the woman who rented the cabin in Bartlett if they provided their own toilet paper? I know that sounds like a funny question. Maura had stayed there before so you would think she would know what to bring and I do not remember seeing or reading she took toilet paper.

    Did she bring mouthwash? That would be something that would be important to someone who cares about dental hygiene and just finished drinking that much wine the day before.

    Was there any food in that cabin in Bartlett? If someone drinks that much wine, I would think they would want to get the food FIRST before going into a store drunk or hung over from the day before.

    It is all these little questions that make me wonder about the case.

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  16. Very good reporting by James Renner. There is one thing clear when you attempt to comment, agree or disagree on Maura Murray Missing Group...you get sensored.There are two or three persons pretty much in control and if you don't kiss every word they say, every thought they have and ask questions (for the sake of knowing) you are pretty much out of the group. Also a word of caution if you ever want to post there: Make sure your name is not foreign...if you write with the name Joe or Joan Smith you will get a lot more respect. Also make sure you tell them you are from NH because they don't like people to comment or help if you are not from the area.

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    1. I know I'm replying to this comment which is now over two years old...but I just found this blog and it is so good I'm reading it all...this comment made me chuckle (it would actually be funny if this wasn't so terribly sad) because the Maura Murray Missing Group is STILL as describe in this comment today as it was more than two years ago....I was reading over there a few days ago....and WOW - like others this family has a bizarre way of going about finding their missing daughter...I've followed many, many missing persons cases over the last 20 years and I've never seen anything quite like this....James- I really sincerely appreciate all the work you have done for this case. Thank you for starting this blog! It is awesome to come here and read everything is such an organized way....I can't wait for your book....!

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  17. maybe someone was following maura when she was going to dads motel and that is why she wreck the car.

    when she wrote that email to her profesor, after dorm party?

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    1. Most kids her age want to stay on campus, more freedom from them, all their friends. It's weird how it seems like Maura wanted to get the hell away from campus. Stay at her dad's room instead of her dorm..and leave as soon as her dad went back to Connecticut, on a car that she knew well enough to not be dependable.
      Whatever she was running from, she must have been fearing her life. If it's true Fred was going to be up less than 5 days after that to buy her a car..there was a big, big rush for this young girl to not wait around for a new car.

      I almost want to say if her intentions *were* just to run away, one would think she would wait the 5 days to get the new car first.

      I really do think something happened THAT weekend, or the days before.

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    2. If she'd just wanted to get away for a few days, she might very well have waited for the newer car. But if she wanted to walk away from her old life for good, she wouldn't want a newer car--WAY too easy to trace. That $4000 sure would have come in handy, though.

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  18. If there had been a rape,wouldnt Fred want the rapist outed?Why would Fred keep that a secret?Why would he keep quiet about that?

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    1. And again, why would he make up a story about being asleep when Maura got to his hotel room, when the made-up story is fishier on its surface than the one he told his son-in-law?

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    2. I am not saying this is the case, but: it is an unfortunate reality that some people still blame the victim (see: some of the backlash the Steubenville victim has faced). If she was raped, he may feel making this public may make her look bad and therefore the world at large would be less sympathetic.

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  19. I find the medium to be also interesting. I don't recall ever reading Rick's name ever being in the news associated with the Maura Murray case.. not sure how the medium would know..would be cool if he ever tried going back to see the same person, what the hell,right? Worth a shot.. I hope they don't charge too much, lol.

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  20. If Maura was sexually assaulted at the party, it would explain so much. Don't get me wrong--rape is a horrible, horrible thing, and I hope that it did not happen to Maura. But if it did, what we do know about that night begins to make more sense. We can understand why she left for the hotel (seeking comfort from a loved one), why those present at the party have remained so tight-lipped (perhaps they have been asked not to discuss it due to pending criminal charges? That would explain Sara's answer to James when he knocked on her door).

    I, too, have wondered if perhaps Kate knows more than she is telling. Another commenter suggested she might be afraid of someone--wasn't there a rumor going around town at some point that the step-son of a prominent attorney was involved? Perhaps there is some truth to that...

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    1. Good call.. the longer i read about the Murray case..the more I realize the majority of the rumors have actually been proven true.

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  21. Life lock or something similar might track socials?

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  22. Reading this new information about the night Maura spent at the motel, a question comes to mind. Is there any plausible reason why Fred didn't tell the police the truth? I can't think of a reason why this new story is something you wouldn't tell the police when you're daughter is missing?

    But, is this new story about Maura's night at the Motel really the truth?

    If she was helped by someone who was working that night, that person probably (maybe) still remembers what happened?

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    1. I thought the same, JW. I don't think it's everyday that a small motel would get a father from out of state, and a daughter who crashes out in the front chair, being possibly drunk... I wonder if they were ever interviewed..

      One thing I don't understand, James seems to have pulled up more work on this case in the few years he's been working on it..than what cops have done in the past 9 years.

      Why is that?

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    2. It's because cops hate to give out any information about anything. They may already know all these things that seem to be "new" revelations to the rest of us, and just be sitting on them.

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    3. To Anon 6:29pm

      A popular college town and you think it's odd that an out of state father is visited by a drunk kid? Seriously?

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  23. General comment: Perhaps she is waiting on the clock for some statute of limitations to run out.

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    1. An absolutely brilliant idea. I'm surprised I haven't seen this suggested anywhere before.

      However, if this is what Maura is trying to do, she's doing it wrong. MA's Statute of Limitations seems to be restricted in the following way, at least for some crimes (including manslaughter/vehicular homicide): "Any period during which the defendant is not usually and publicly a resident within the commonwealth shall be excluded in determining the time limited." So the clock on the Statute would not be running while Maura is in hiding.

      But maybe she doesn't know this. I sure didn't know about that part before I read the law.

      ...Tangentially, I'd like to mention that I do think the Vasi hit-and-run could have happened--despite all the evidence to the contrary--and I don't think James or others should exclude it as a possibility. Just because it is unlikely to have happened does not mean it didn't. So much of this story is already unlikely and weird. Keep in mind that the public information may have been shaped, precisely, by the family's desire to cover up such an incident. (Again I would refer everyone to the JonBenet Ramsey case, in which there was very likely a complex, bizarre, decade-long coverup by the family...it shows you the type of things that can happen in the aftermath of such improbable crimes.)

      Whether or not the Vasi incident itself took place, it seems to me fairly likely that Maura is fleeing from a comparably serious mistake. After all, mistakes and flights are the story of Maura's life.

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    2. I don't know if the NY State and/or UCMJ statutes of limitation would run down regardless of Maura's location, though, for any crimes committed at or around West Point, if that was a concern.

      I have been interested in the possibility of Maura living in a country that refuses to extradite to the United States.

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    3. As I recall, Ireland and Brazil are two of the countries with which we do not have extradition treaties. There are probably others. France won't send people back if the death penalty is involved; obviously not an issue here. Some things come to mind about this possibility: presumably anyone trying to "get lost" abroad would want to have the language down pat, so as not to stand out. Did Maura have any languages besides English? Not a concern in Ireland, of course. Did Maura have a passport? Doubtful the government would tell an ordinary citizen the answer to this, but couldn't LE get this information, and wouldn't they have done so? Seems like Investigation 101 to have checked this out.

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    4. Illegal immigration was rampant on the US/Canada border in 2004. The new laws from 9/11 had not taken effect, especially on the quiet NH/VT border. Have you seen the border crossing with Canada in NH & VT? They still are basically shacks dotted here and there in hundreds of miles of woods. They are just now getting around to building a border patrol center and until recently Derby Line VT was bisected by the border with free movement from one side to the other on village streets. Getting into Canada from the US was extremely simple and didn't require a passport. It was part of the problem the US was having at the time since we had easy access on our border with Canada and Canada had easy access to and from international locations.

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  24. The Dominoes are starting to fall. Don't stop now. Once one falls they all fall or once one talks they all feel the need to talk to save their skin.

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  25. I hope you don't go stalking Kate because some nut case mind reader told you to. She is a completely innocent bystander, period end of her story.

    People are ridiculous for not knowing that Fred wouldn't discuss his daughter's rape for the same reason he doesn't discuss anything else bad that has happened to her.

    "Girlfriends generally don't protect rapists." Are you serious? Do you have any idea the percentage of rape that goes unreported? No one was "protecting" anyone with regards to it, if it actually even happened, which there is STILL ZERO PROOF OF.

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    1. Yeah, I'm serious, and yes I am fully aware of the percentage of rape that goes unreported. What does one have to do with the other? Typically rapes are unreported because the victim doesn't want it reported...not because the victim's female friends collude to keep their mouths shut about it.

      I simply have a hard time crediting that if Maura was raped IN THE PROXIMATE PRESENCE OF ONE OR BOTH OF THEM (i.e. in the next room at a party) that her girlfriends would go out of their way to keep their mouths shut about it...unless they or someone they were very close to (e.g. family) were involved. I don't see what's so naive or outlandish about that. It doesn't track to me.

      If it was a family member of one or both of the girls, then...well, yeah. A lot easier to believe.

      All of this is PURE speculation. We do not know that anything of the kind occurred. But it does all fit together...not the same, however, as it being true. It's just something that should be considered.

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    2. This comment--no doubt from one of Maura's more knowledgeable girlfriends--completely convinces me that Maura was, in fact, raped that night. Just look at the commenter's language! It is one of the most transparent things I've ever seen in relation to this case.

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    3. I agree- She/He is clearly a friend or family member as She/He was completely appalled by comments that are mere speculation. Am I the only one that felt it was also implied that more than one 'bad thing' happened to Maura?

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    4. When I was raped in college, in the next room a guy I knew from high school heard everything and got up and left to go to a bar because he couldn't "keep listening to it". I didn't report my rape because I felt like I had done something to cause it. When I finally tried to resume a semblance of my social life a few weeks later, all of my "friends" had been bad mouthing me for how much of a slut I was. The guy that heard it all happen never opened his mouth except to half assedly apologize a few years later. I'm happy for you that you've never had shitty friends or a bad experience ever apparently, but your impressions of college aged friends are incredibly myopic and naive. You combine a bunch of young adults who haven't known each other that long, alcohol, and the knowledge that in a year you'll never see any of these people again... bad things can and do happen.

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    5. Oh, Anon 4/15 10:01 am. I would personally love to punch the throat of the man who did it, and the man who couldn't "keep listening to it." And your so-called friends. Makes me sick to my stomach to hear stories like this. So so sorry.

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  26. If she was helped by someone who was working that night, that person probably (maybe) still remembers what happened?

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  27. it's amazing on of the girls at the party hasn't contacted you and wanted to get this story out.

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  28. Could the aforementioned rape explain Maura's black eye that she was believed to have? What a twist...

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  29. I now you've been very busy with all of this, i admire all your hard work. I just wanted to make a suggestion. I wonder if you could get a hold of the UMassAmherst nursing school handbook, or speak to an advisor on the phone. What their policy is for someone like Maura who had a record of stealing from her previous school.
    I also wonder if you tried interviewing her boss at the art gallery, or even any of her other professors, someone who is unbiased and has no ties to the family.

    There has been a rumor going on, for some time now on the internet. I know how we all feel about rumors; many of us get annoyed at rumors, others shoot down rumors without thinking twice. However, most of your findings have seem to find many rumors about her and her family were true. There were rumors from people who lived in the same hall as her, that she was bulimic, and the reason why she was ordering all this food at night and eating in her own bedroom by herself was to purge later. That's a common trait bulimics share, they are ashamed, could make sense why she was stealing peoples' credit card numbers also.

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    1. There is nothing shameful in bulimia.It is a psychological disorder. I came to learn that it is quite common in college campuses. More than half the athletic girls in my daughter's team were bulimic. They would steal food from other roomates because they could not bring themselves to buy it on their own...Her bulimia, if its in fact true, has nothing to do with her disappearance...

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    2. As a recovered Bulimic, I can say that being ashamed is absolutely a common trait. While I agree it had nothing to do with her disappearance, I do believe it was the motivation behind ordering large quantities of food for just herself.

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  30. My two cents: Maura was a victim of foul play.

    Yes...Maura had a very complicated life at the time of her disappearance, but we all have skeletons. Remember the woman in "Psycho"? She ran off with the bank deposit only to end up at The Bates Motel.

    If a "kindly" person gave Maura a lift from the accident scene, I'm sure that person would have come forward with information about providing a ride.

    As for starting a new life...I don't think so. Nine years is a long time to leave family and friends worried out of their minds. Maura could have made contact that she was alive and well and starting anew.

    Maura got into the wrong vehicle with the wrong person/persons. She wanted to flee the scene of the accident. She was intoxicated and wasn't thinking straight. She was scared and vulnerable and didn't want to deal with the cops. It takes a split second to make a bad decision.

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    1. i agree with your post---her background and her sister being in jail, is for the most part, irrelevasnt to her disappearance on a lonely desolate road in NH. her father went as far as the supreme coourt to get access to the investigational records--to no avail. i too believe she was a victim of foul play, but i believe its a person who lives in the area

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    2. If you lived in this area as I do you would not so easily pass off her disappearance as foul play perpetrated by a local resident. You would also know that although much of rt 112 is a lonely desolate highway, the accident scene was in the middle of a rather populated area of several houses, all within 100 yards, one within 20 yards.

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    3. well b, what i do know is that according to the supreme court case, polygraph tests were given to persons of interst , names not given, however if i were to guess, those persons would be the bus driver who claims he saw her, and this other guy rick forcier who said he saw a girl on his way home, walking along rt 112...the results of those tests were never made public---which leads me to believe the lead attorney of this case, Strezlin, has a person of interest but will not divulge due to the fact nothing can be proven based on the results of a polygraph

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    4. Well David, I don't believe she was a victim of foul play but if I had to guess who failed a polygraph, my top 2 POI would be Fred Murray and Tim Carpenter. Who is right? No one knows, that's the mystery. My guess is as good as the next guy.

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