Saturday, May 11, 2013

Timeline: February 5-9, 2004


TOPIC POST
May 11, 2013

The timeline is included as jpegs in this post.  The table (5 pictures) is the timeline itself.  The other five images are the source references.

If you would like copies of the files emailed to you, email me at John88Green@yahoo.com.

As you are read the timeline, some details or conventions might be confusing.  Don't worry too much about that now.  The follow up posts will better orient you.  Just focus on the flow of the facts and the time frames and how the pieces fit together.

A caveat ... this is version alpha.  I surely have not located all sources.  There may be better or even contradictory ones out there.  For example, I can't find an authentic original of the Grafton County Dispatch logs, which often are reproduced and quoted.  I may also have mad some errors in reasoning, such as where I inferred time frames.  And I may have left out an important event or two.

Par for the course.  For now, the point is that we have a working, detailed time line.  It will evolve.  Some have already expressed in email a willingness to review it for omissions and alternative or contradictory sources.  Thank you in advance. That process will tighten it up.  In particular, if you are familiar with a source or know a lot about a specific issue in the case, let me know where my efforts need perfecting.  In the end, as this product evolves, it will give James a good reference point as he writes, and all of us one as we think and chew and hypothesize.

But don't feel obligated to do review it critically.  Mainly I hope that by just looking it over, your sense of the flow of events is as edified as much as mine was by creating it.

Have a great weekend.  More to come next week.











92 comments:

  1. Hi John - Amazing work!

    I think row # 8 should be New City, NY as opposed to New York City.

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  2. I find it interesting that the last 2 comments I've posted, possibly the last 3, have disappeared completely from this blog. Now I think I could care less about reading or contributing to this discussion.

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    1. Hmmm. Well, this one is here. I don't know what to say. I don't manage the comment. But I hope you will stick around.

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  3. Perusing this I have a lot of thoughts, including one which I think may be significant. I think I've thought of a scenario for the accident that fits all the odd known facts: the red truck's odd behavior, Maura's sudden disappearance, the possible report of an earlier accident, the rag in the tail pipe, etc. It's a somewhat modified version of a theory that John Green had posted earlier.

    My suggestion is that there was a first incident just preceding the accident, but that it was not an accident per se (I think we can agree that that's just one too many accidents to be believable). Rather, it was that Maura's car was disabled, probably overheated from the long drive. Not only is this not at all unlikely, but given the car's age and local-only driving status it's not surprising it would break down soon after leaving the interstate and heading into mountainous terrain. Assuming Fred's rag in the tail pipe story is true, I'm envisioning a car that is stalled out and smoking on the side of the road.

    This scenario solves a lot of problems, not the least of which the problem of the red truck...it explains how it could be that the truck was behaving as if it expected an accident to occur:

    It works like this. Maura is disabled somewhere around 302/112, side of the road, smoking car. Red truck stops to help. In this situation, red truck can be driving in tandem, good Samaritan, or dirtbag. Doesn't really matter to this scenario, as in all three cases, the red truck is certain to stop.

    Maura says to red truck, I've had this problem before, I think if I put a rag in the tailpipe, I can get this thing moving again. Red truck says I doubt it, but go for it. Maura tries tailpipe trick. Car starts again (if it is overheated, just having the car stopped in the cold for 5-10 minutes would probably suffice). Maura then continues. Again, whether tandem, good samaritan or dirtbag, chances are the red truck driver is going to follow her, because notice that in this scenario, a second breakdown is not only forseeable to a third party, but in fact highly likely. It gets rid of all the somewhat far-fetched scenarios of intentionally disabling the car, etc., and also partially answers the question of if there was a first accident, why didn't they just snatch her there?

    Now... why wouldn't the red truck, following MM, know that RO wasn't Maura? All it would take would be for the red truck to get a little behind a curve or two for there to be enough distance to make it work (though it does slightly suggest the good samaritan or dirtbag vs. tandem, since I would expect tandem to be following a bit closer). I don't know the topography, but regardless, even if MM's car is only a few yards ahead of the line of sight of the red truck at first, the act of red truck spotting RO and then waiting to ID RO as not MM would CREATE the amount of time for MM to have the accident, and have interaction with SBD, without red truck being there. Because it does seem that red truck is checking out RO at almost the precise time the car is wrecking. Once RO is identified, red truck moves on to the anticipated second disabling of MM's car.

    Anyhows, while red truck is at Stage Shop, rag in tailpipe OR car overheating again cause MM to stall, and thus the accident. Red truck appears on the scene shortly thereafter. In any of the three scenarios (tandem-good samaritan-dirtbag), Maura is now likely to accept the ride.

    I really like this explanation. Everything fits, and it gets rid of most of the difficulties with John's theory about a first accident and MM being OK taking a ride from a familiar face. If the car wasn't wrecked at first, but obviously disabled in an overheating situation (which is hardly out of the realm of possibility -- one could even consider it likely given the distance, topography and condition of the car), then everything falls into place.
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    1. This is an interesting speculation Adam. Fred Leatherman at one time also posited the idea of a first accident, relying also on ideas about the inconsistencies in the damage to the Saturn and the nature of the Haverhill accident (although not everyone agrees with those ideas.)

      The only thing that I would point out is that the timeline, including RO's statements as a source, suggests that if indeed the Saturn came from 302 down 112 to the accident scene, the red truck likely passed RO before the Saturn got there.

      In addition, where RO first saw the red truck is just slightly more than one mile from the scene on a road where the speed limit is 35 miles per hour. They would have turned onto 112 from 302 only about 1.5 miles back of where RO saw the truck. So even if the timeline deceives the truck was behind the Saturn going east on 112, it is a pretty short pathway at a pretty slow speed for the following truck to have lost contact with the Saturn.

      Does that make sense? I am afraid I might be under-appreciating a finer point of your scenario here. Can you construct it as well around this information? Do you agree with the reasoning?

      John

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    2. Both Frank Kelly and another PI (Healy, maybe?) were interviewed saying they believed there had been another accident enroute, and perhaps also that Maura's final accident was staged.

      I also think there's a risk of relying too much on very tenuous details about the red truck's placement and timing at certain points, and especially of using such hazy information to draw broader conclusions about the case. That said, great observations and (of course) great work John Green!



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    3. No, it makes sense. It falls apart completely if the truck's ahead of the Saturn (along with a number of other theories), but as you say, time is so tight we can't be absolutely sure of that. More on that below.

      I do acknowledge it's a short amount of time for the truck and the Saturn to have gotten separated, but this detail doesn't bother me as much. For example, if two cars are pulled over, and one pulls out more quickly than expected, and another car comes along behind, you can have a fairly large space between the two cars develop pretty quickly. Or sometimes the following car doesn't pull out right away for some mundane reason (coffee spilled, engine doesn't turn first time, adjusting the seat, etc.). Or, say that Saturn turns on 302 and another car turns in directly behind and between and slows down. Anyone who's ever ridden in tandem has experienced all these things. And, of course, in the dirtbag or good Samaritan scenario, the red truck may be following at enough distance that they don't want to be perceived by Maura. So I don't think this is too bothersome a detail.

      But...if the truck was ahead of the Saturn, I think my theory can't work and more than that the entire red truck premise has to be rethought, because there's very few reasons one can imagine for the truck to be ahead of Maura, and looking for her on the side of the road.

      But I'm skeptical that the red truck got there first, unless the red truck is not a player in the mystery at all. Here's why: if the red truck was being alert for Maura (for whatever reason), it certainly would have been alert for her car. And it's hard to imagine them failing to notice it pass by while it was at the Stage Shop. And if it didn't pass by while the red truck was there, then the truck would have passed the accident scene before it happened, and thus unlikely to have picked Maura up. Or am I missing something?

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    4. I remember on Helena Murray's old forum there was a woman who often posted who said that at 7:00 or thereabouts she heard something go over a police scanner about an accident of some kind. She maintained that she was listening intently because a friend from a warm climate had just moved to New Hampshire and was in no way used to driving on New Hampshire roads in winter. If anyone from those days is around now and remembers this poster and what she wrote-most especially if the lady who posted is reading these words and wants to explain things far better than I-please leave a comment.

      John Avellar

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    5. Well, take a look at the time line. Maybe there is an error in my reasoning. Your thought on this topic well positions you to acid wash that part of the timeline, if you have the time to do so.

      John

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    6. SAH,

      You make a good point about getting too literal. The truck was certainly there and there is uncertainty in the timeline. But as a starting point, it might help to see if logic/theory about the red truck might help to wash some uncertainty out of the time line.

      John

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  4. Second isolated thought that I hadn't had before and I'm not sure anyone else has either: the used car may have been a red herring, but not originating with Fred. It could have been a way for Maura to get Fred to fork over $4,000 for her own purposes. They "pick out a car", Fred gives Maura the dough to make the downpayment, some "stall" is introduced into the car buying junket causing Fred to schedule a return the next week to finalize things. Meanwhile, Maura splits with the money, after creating some space duirng which no one's going to be looking for her.

    I haven't worked through this thought to see how this plays out...but any time I think of a new angle, I'm going to throw it out there. It has the ring of partial truth to me, but I don't think it quite gets there. But I think there's an element in there that's right.

    adam

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    1. That's an interesting comment. So in other words, you are speculating that Maura needed the money and thus convinced her dad to buy her a car to get the money from him? It is an interesting thought.

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    2. As I said, I don't buy it on its face as is. But an element of it feels right to the facts. We know that Fred had brought the $4,000. We know that they didn't buy a car, and for no apparent reason postponed the decision for a week (according to their own account). And we know that Maura immediately took off thereafter. And there is a suspicion that Fred transferred the money to Maura because of his vouchsafing publicly that he had the money on him when he went to Amherst. All those facts taken together are suggestive, and it's a new way to look at the car conundrum. The whole car thing feels fishy, but maybe it's fishy because it was something Maura herself made up.

      One other detail to consider, if only in passing: what effect, if any, did Maura's wrecking Fred's car have on Fred's plans, not just for that day, but for the week following?

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    3. Buttressing your reasoning, I believe - thought I don't have time now to run down the source of this - that Fred went so far as to say that they had picked out a car. And then, as you said "for no apparent reason postponed the (purchase) for a week." Not only does that story suggest the possibility that the money stayed with Maura, but so too does Fred's mention of that specific amount and the way he recounts the story in talking to the police. Could all be a red herring. But that's the trouble with this case. The most relevant information and the red herrings dress similarly.

      John

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    4. Fred would probably want to handle the money aspect himself because a car dealer is highly unlikely to fool around with Fred but is exceedingly likely to think he can walk all over a young woman.


      John Avellar

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    5. This also makes sense in light of the fact that Maura drove a car that she had told everyone was on its last wheels and completely unreliable on a longish trip. She may have been making sure everyone knew how badly the Saturn was running in order to have Fred feel he needed to help her out with it, and thereby start the ball rolling on the cash. This would mean of course, that Maura knew for much longer than a few days that she wanted out of her present life. I'm not sure I buy this, but it's in the realm of possibilities.

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    6. Interesting theory. Just keep in mind that we don't "know" that Fred took $4,000 with him to Amherst--we know that Fred SAID he did. Fred, and a lot of other people, have said a lot of things . . . without serious, objective, unimpeachable proof, however, we need to be careful what we believe.

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  5. Thanks for putting in your time for this, John! I have thought there needed to be a timeline laid out for a long time. It would also be interesting to have a timeline of Fred's movements around that time (although I realize that would be hard and the sources may be more questionable for accuracy).
    James, have you spoken to any of Fred's coworkers or his supervisor?

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    1. Fred's movements is something that is kind of in there and I think will be the topic of a follow up post.

      Bear in mind that this is only a first version. It needs a lot of tightening up and there are many more sources to be referenced in.

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    2. Oh, and thanks for the kind words anonymous at 6:56. If you can, please use a first name so we can all kind of get to know each other here. A fake name will do.

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  6. I did want to bring up a discrepancy with the "Londonderry Ping" In item 68 you say Saturn entering Deerfield on ramp to I-91N at 4:29 PM earliest and 5:07 PM latest. Even taking the latest possible time of the ping, there is NO WAY her phone could have pinged Londonderry if she was on the route we believe she took up I-91. As the crow flies, you are looking at about 65 miles from Deerfield to Londonderry. I'm no expert on cell phone signal propagation but google will tell you a rule of thumb range for any cell tower is 30-40 ish miles on a really, really good day from a high tower with flat terrain. With terrain and other obstacles the realistic range can be between 5 and 10 miles. Being generous, if you go in google earth and use the ruler tool, put one end in Londonderry and then sweep I-91 with it from Deerfield, MA up into VT. The closest "crow flies" distance I get is about 50 miles, generously. Then consider the terrain between any point on I-91 and Londonderry, in some cases you have mtns over 2,000'.

    The best James can gather is that its an INCOMING call from some unknown person whose phone is hitting the Londonderry tower.

    I'd personally suggest you amend the timeline to say something along the lines of an INCOMING call to Mauras phone from somebody in or traveling through the Londonderry area. That is all it could realistically be without a major change to the supposed route she took north. Considering the distance involved, the fact that there were (even in 2004) many other towers for Mauras phone to Ping along 91 from Deerfield up through VT and the fact that there are places in southwest NH CLOSER to the tower that have no cell service at all (ie they cant hit the tower), it is physically impossible for Maura to ping Londonderry from Deerfield, MA or anyplace else along I-91.

    I believe the disappeared episode might have more info on the ping as to exact time but its been a while since I watched the episode.

    I'm so anal about this detail in the case because it could be the one small thing (of many possibilities of course, known and unknown) that blows this wide open.

    Was Maura meeting somebody who was coming up I-93 from the Boston area and called to check in? 93 of course passes right through Londonderry and Id bet the tower is right along the interstate someplace, especially in 04 in NH.

    If so, did she intend to meet this person at some resort/location further east in the White Mtns?

    or

    Was that person headed for Haverhill to help Maura "disappear"?

    None of the above?

    The point is it HAD to be somebody in range (likely within a few miles of the way the cell network works) of the Londonderry tower that caused Maura's phone to ring.


    If we were to accept an alternative explaination that Maura herself could have been within range of the cell tower, that would have to put her on I-93N. Given what "concrete" times we do have in the timeline, Maura's Saturn would have needed to be fitted with jet engines and a means of lift for flight in order to make it from Amherst to the accident site in the time known. None of the rural roads from MA and southwest NH that wind over towards I-93 would take you there in anything that could be described as quick. Other options would be Rt 2 eastbound or I-90 (mass pike) into I-95 (rt 128) and then into I-93N but again, time consuming and you can add the thick of Boston traffic in there to slow you down. There is no way, in my mind and I dont think ever in yours either that she could have been on I-93 or in range of Londonderry in the known timeframe.

    Thanks for listening to my ideas, I think its an important but easily overlooked detail of the case and is something the timeline sheds great light on. Distance and time tells us she was not on I-93 and physics tells us no way could her phone have reached Londonderry tower especially where there are closer cell towers to her route than that one. No way.

    Thanks!
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    1. I am with you Chris. Really good call. In the next version of the table, I will update that line to reflect that it almost certainly was a ping from an incoming call from somebody within 22 miles of that tower, which happens to be right next to I-93.

      The only way - however, unlikely - it might not be is this: there are scenarios in which Maura did not drive the Saturn out of Amherst. There was enough time for Maura and/or someone else to return to her dorm room after Maura's visit to the liquor store and before the Saturn began its journey north. Thus, we have exactly one witness to say that Maura was actually driving the Saturn and there are minor suggestive issues with his ID of her (i.e., the hair being down). Kathleen at that time looked a lot like Maura. Unlikely but you never know. If Maura was not driving or in the Saturn, she might well have been within 22 miles of the tower by 4:37, if whatever car she was in was headed - say - straight from Amherst to Nashua.

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    2. But what about the fact that the dogs smelled Maura's scent near the crash site in Haverhill?

      (I have also heard, anecdotally, about other details and reports that confirm it was Maura in various ways. People who saw her leaving the parking lot at UMass, etc.)

      P.S. John Green, great work!

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    3. If you read the affidavit it is clearly talking about and incoming call to Maura that hit the Londonderry Cell tower . Maura probably had her phone off at the time and the call never made it to her phone.

      From Renners affidavit post:

      "5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.

      6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.

      7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours."
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    4. @ SAH - see my response to 9:56 pm, below. Good point.

      @ 6:07 - Agreed. Good point. Another poster, Chris, has pointed out that I need to rename that line to indicate that - almost certainly - that was an incoming call from someone within 22 miles of the tower, which - by the way - is right next to I-93.

      I assume that the name at the end was picked up in the cut and paste. But just in case, I must ask, did you just sign your name as Todd Landry? That would be cool. But even if not, cool to have you whomever you are (how about signing a name, even a fake one) thinking critically here.

      John

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    5. Does anyone know the full truth behind the Londonderry ping story? I have read several different explanations and never really felt I had grasped with certainty what happened. I always got the impression that the facts, and also the significance of those facts, were in doubt. If I were a juror, I think I'd have to ignore the story entirely. Of course I'm not, but it's an incredibly confusing piece of information.

      Chris (the other one)

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    6. John-- one point on this thread about the hair being down and that being uncharacteristic of Maura-- I was in the Army and had to wear my hair the way Maura frequently wore it. Except on long drives! While driving, the bun hits the driver's seat and makes it uncomfortable because you have to bend your neck weirdly. While I drove home (I lived 45 mins from post), I'd take my hair down and drive. I have always wondered if this is why her hair wasn't in her customary 'do. --VA

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    7. I thought for a moment that: "what if the call to Maura's phone was just a fluke...a coincidence"...a wrong number call...but considering the fact that it was made around the area where she was, makes it less likely that it was pure coincidence...but one wonders...why would she no answer it...was it because she really did not want anyone to know where she was through phone records (which is something I have always believed..?) What other explanation could there be..?I have always believed she had a calling card..

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    8. Hey there anonymous at 3:57

      What a great little detail that few would know that you have brought to the table. Thank you. That is something that really adds to consideration of the possibility that Maura was not driving the car.

      Listen, if you can, use a first name (even a fake one) when you post. That way we can kind of sort of get to know each other's brains and angles as we discuss the case. Thanks again.

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    9. Hey anonymous at 7:05.

      That is worth considering. What might suggest that it is not the case is that LE subpoenaed both the carrier's and Fred's phone records. That perhaps suggests they were seeking to see if he made that call. But you could be exactly right.

      Funny thing about this case. Probably, in the end, a bunch red herring will be revealed in retrospect: maybe the rag in the tailpipe, or the email to Billy or whatever. But right now, they are all suggestive and often in contradictory ways. So the ping might be.

      In any case, I feel in my bones that James is slowing nearing tipping the first domino.

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    10. Chris ... nobody does ... and in fact there are some contradictory technical assumptions floating around. I am right now lining up an expert to talk to and the Londonderry ping will be a topic post at some point.

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  7. WHERE THE HECK IS JAMES RENNER?????

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    1. James will still be posting. He simply asked me to post some things I had shared with him.

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  8. For those interested, this is more or less the route Maura took into NH: http://tinyurl.com/mauramap

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    1. Many thanks for posting this. One thing that jumped out at me is if you consider all the sources and the fact that she almost certainly got on I-91 at Deerfield - along with the 38 minutes of slack time in the trip - there is no way to exclude the possibility that she returned to her dorm after visiting the the liquor store, perhaps after that dorm mate saw her leave the campus. As such, we have no definitive direct evidence, aside from Bruce Atwood, about who was driving the car. It is not impossible to imagine that Maura did not drive to New Hampshire and instead Kathleen did. This is all the more worth considering in the myriad puzzle given the fact that Bruce was a stranger who could have not differentiated sisters between a brief intrraction and a a later picture, as well as the "hair down" issue.

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  9. This is very impressive, JG....very impressive indeed!

    Two quick comments:
    1) I think a substantial part of the Grafton County Sheriff's Log is in the Documents section of this site. Not sure if that's what you were looking for, but it's quite interesting in any case. Saw a few stray red trucks milling about in there...

    2) Someone on Topix pointed out (with typical Topix snark) that Maura's shift began at 8 p.m. rather than 7. I don't know who's right; just wanted to mention it.

    Anyway, great timeline! I would love to see a Fred timeline myself, but obviously that's a pipe dream. This is plenty to chew on for now.

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    1. SAH,

      Many thanks again for your positive contributions and kind comments.

      I can't find those logs there. I must be overlooking something. Would be much indebted if you could send a link to my email.

      Karen Mayotte said that Maura began at 7, I think. I forget where I got that. But thanks for the observation. I will run it down and get it right in version 2.

      You know, I intended this to include Fred timeline stuff. But we know so little about his movements. You are the third person to bring it up so I think I will post on it and show where the gaps in knowledge are, as the effort toward this time line exposed a lot of the Fred information to me.

      John

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    2. http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/06/phone-call.html

      This is a link to the post on this site regarding James' interview with Susan Mayotte. In it Susan says Maura's shift began at 8 p.m.

      Jamison

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    4. Okay, it looks like I simply screwed that up. Many thanks for setting me straight.

      As a Topix vitriol troll said, "BRAVO JOHN GREEN THE FIRST LINE OF YOUR TIMELINE IS WRONG!"

      Oh well ... its not me ...we're all working together. The Topix dysfunctional family can only look on in envy.

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    5. Clarification - "its not me" should be "I don't take this all on myself ... we are working together here and so our approach worked because a "colleague" spotted and corrected an error. I meant that comment as we are working as a team to develop ideas here. I did not mean to seem as if I was evading accountability for a poorly researched error on my part.

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  10. On your timeline it says someone saw a person running 4 to 5 miles from the scene. Did that person fit Maura's description? Also, the Disappeared episode said the dogs lost Maura's scent in the middle of the road suggesting she got picked up. It is all so frustrating! Really enjoying (intrigued, rather) this blog.

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    1. Interesting you should bring this up ... it is the topic of my next post, which will be up just as soon as I confirm something with an expert.

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    2. I have been told that there was a kid who was running because he had been seen shoplifting and took off like mad. Then there was a report that there were people driving around looking for a special needs boy who ran off from a local facility for people who cannot live alone or however one should describe it.


      John Avellar

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    3. I hate to bring this up because it sounds so repetitious...but not long ago on the MMMG the person who now lives in Mr Forcier's house said that LE had brought a highly trained dog to the house and asked permission to search it. Also another house was searched. (I was told.) And these searches with this dog happened not long ago..but sorry I can't remember precisely when... Mr Renner might know though.... so is this mean that LE's trail is so cold that they are still looking at these houses...? Would it make sense to say that if LE found anything concerning the call that was made to Maura's phone from the Londonderry tower these searches would not have occurred ?

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    4. @ John - consistent with James' approach, if you an ID a source for that and email it to me at John88Green@yahoo.com, I would be obliged. Even if it is just someone heard it from. If we can trace that back to citable source, that is HUGE. Much appreciated John

      @ anonymous at 7:17 - you and another poser brought this up... I didn't know about it. I'd like to more. Now, I have searched around for a source on this and I can't find it. If you have one, could you send it to the John88Green@yahoo.com? What you are saying seems perfectly reasonable, but this is simply how Renner is approaching the investigation and it is that approach that I think has really buffeted success. Because there are some disturbed folks out there (see Topix) who are putting lies in the "record." Any further help you can give toward pinning this one down would be appreciated. This is one that with a source would make a good topic post.

      By the way anonymous, how about a first name (even a fake one) so we can all get to know each other?

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    5. As to whether the person running fit Maura's description, according to Rick F. he saw a young person running; that is, he couldn't even place the gender! let alone say for certain that it was a woman and the woman was Maura.

      But I believe that the clothing he/she was wearing was of the type Maura-and millions of others-were given to wearing.

      Mr. Atwood said that the woman he saw had her hair down. This fact gave pause even to the Maura-was-kidnapped-and-murdered-crowd since she was reputed to never wear her hair long at that stage in her life.

      John Avellar

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  11. By the way you have done a great job John G. Keep up the good work.

    John Avellar

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    1. Many thanks John!

      I am working my way up, so I reiterate now my comments to you below.

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  12. Thanks for the timeline, John. It clarified some things I had been thinking about, mostly regarding the Red Truck. I think this truck is significant – here are the reasons:

    1. The red truck was travelling in the area around Maura’s crash, looking for a lone female.

    2. The red truck was looking for the lone female BEFORE the calls to the police about Maura’s accident.

    3. The red truck sped off around the same time that the first call was made to police dispatch by Faith Westman (was he listening to police radio?).

    4. Mrs. Robinson was on high alert because of the truck driver’s behavior and went as far as looking at the license plate. The red truck was from Massachusetts.

    5. The sighting of Maura running by Rick Forcier is not a very strong fact. However, even if he had seen her a few miles from the crash, it is still possible the red truck driver found her, since he was driving around looking for a lone female.

    There is a strong possibility that these two events (the red truck looking for a lone female and a lone female disappearing) are related. It seems unlikely that two, nearly simultaneous and extraordinary events in a very small and sparsely populated geographical area are not connected.

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    1. Hi AN.

      Spot on analysis. I think you say it well in saying that the coincidence is too proximate. It can't be ignored. And a thought provoking insight there about the possibilities of how to tie the red truck in with the Forcier sighting. I have a few ideas on that which will appear at some point in topic post. In particularly, your last line in framing the statistical angle is a really good insight. I had not thought of it that way, but it makes a lot of sense and further suggests the relevance of the red truck.

      You know, reflecting a moment. This blog of Renners accomplished something when we called him back from too hastily dismissing the red truck based on Graves's statement. To James's credit, he realized he was wrong and went back. This is why he's got this blog. I think that the more we can work coherently and cordially in dialogs to help James see where something is indeed resonating and requiring further explanation, and helping him to interpret the evidence he doggedly and capably gets it really giving him a unique chance to the be the agent who tips that first domino, thereby gets LE re-aroused and resolves the case.

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  13. Hi John you wrote "Bruce" Atwood and not "Butch."



    John Avellar

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    1. Thanks John. Another stupid mistake I made.

      They went NUTS over this on Topix. I am a complete fraud to hear them tell it.

      Much appreciated. Really looking forward to your contributions. You are one of the more knowledgable people out there about the case and you bring a distinct level-headedness.

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    2. I never go there. It is generally composed of the revolting people who early on insisted that their brilliance was such that they knew that Maura was dead and that we had all better get behind them on this or else we were awful people.

      It is just like them to think that a small matter like the airport and Atwood's name totally negated the fantastic timeline you have developed. Perhaps they are nervous because, as a close friend has pointed out to me, the timeline shows that there was quite a flurry of activity among the Murray clan thus pointing to the certainty that something was going on with them in the days before Maura disappeared. It need not have been anything illegal or immoral, but sure as shootin' something was going on of some note.

      Also, as most Topix posters who take the view that Maura has been dead since that fateful night she went missing are bullies they thrive on attacking a gentleman like yourself.


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  14. I just rewatched the Dissapeared Episode and I noticed one of her friends recounting 'her first stop was to an ATM mashine where she withdrew $280 - that pretty much depleated her account with THAT bank' Does that imply her having more than one bank account?

    It's great to see John working on this case! I am looking forward to his next posts.

    ~Kolina

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    1. Kolina,

      Thank you. It is likewise great to see you here.

      Good catch. Could I ask you to transcribe the exact quote and friend in question and send it to me. This is one of those below the radar details that might open up a new line of thinking and evidence seeking.

      If you can do it, you can send it along to me at John88Green@yahoo.com

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    2. Great catch Kolina!! If she is willing to steal some ones credit card information (and use it, no less, with a coupon!), could she have possibly opened another bank account under a false id? I know this is stretching the imagination a LONG way, but geez there is so much that we have found out about her that does not fit any stereotype of the person that she claimed to be (by her friends and family). And if BA cant clarify whether her hair was black or brown, to her shoulders or past, she could totally get a bank account opened under a false identification.
      *Just throwing it out there.

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  15. Taking a look at your timeline once again (I will surely have to look at it more)... I didn't realize the computer search for mapquest was done after midnight on Monday morning. I find it strange that Maura left so late in the afternoon. Yes, looks like she was doing some planning and whatnot. But from midnight until 3:30 pm-ish seems like a long time to plan and pack for a short trip. Almost seems like she was taking her time because she was meeting someone after work or evening time-frame. Just a thought that I had to comment about, back to looking at the timeline. --VA

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    1. That is a good insight. She knew she was leaving but was waiting for someone else who she was meeting. Altogether logical and feasible. But like everything else in this case, we can't quite sew it up as a conclusion.

      Another thing to keep in mind (looking at the time line) is that she had a lot to do on Monday before she left. Like pack her room. Although (subject of a future topic post) I am not 100% convinced that it was Maura Murray who packed Maura Murray's room.

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    2. John, that is an interesting point you bring up about packing her room. Looks like she also could have had most of the day on Sunday to pack up as well. If Fred & Maura weren't out all day looking at cars, what were they doing? Could they have been packing her room? Has anyone said if they saw Fred at her dorm that Saturday? Did her dorm have those student security screeners (although perhaps those were only a night thing)?
      On the subject of Maura's room packed up, I wonder where was her computer in the scheme of things, packing-wise? Sounds like it was one of the last things she used in her room and your timeline is making me think of all sorts of small questions. Also makes me wonder if anyone knows if it was a laptop or a desktop? Just wondering how easy it was to pack up as well.
      Very intriguing about packing, looking forward to it. -- Vanessa (VA-- I shall use name instead of initials as you asked in a couple of replies to me)

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  16. Everyone keeps talking about Maura's scent being lost. The scent that was lost was the scent on the gloves, not necessarily Maura's scent. I'm not saying this happened, but as an example the gloves could have been handled by substitute driver A, who wrecked the car and then got into a 'get-away' car a little ways down the road. The dogs are then given the scent and lose it not far from the car. I think the data on where the dogs tracked the scent to it meaningless because we don't know for sure whose scent they were tracking. Even Fred said the gloves were new and Maura had not worn them.
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      Excellent point. The dogs, like many of the clues in this case, tantalize speculation, but are too muddy to go real far with.

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  17. I love the timeline and all the comments and insight here. There has been some talk about why Maura searched for "pregnancy and alcohol," with many speculating it was part of her homework. Seeing it on the timeline I can safely conclude that it was something Maura searched for as part of her overwhelming stress and anxiety that day. I have noticed that a lot of men comment here. That is fine, but none of you have experience with what Maura was going through when she was googling that. I can tell you I have googled that before even though I was not convinced I was pregnant. My guess is that Maura is a lot like many sexually active women who also like to party. The worry and fear of getting pregnant does not go away just because you are on birth control pills. It is ALWAYS nagging the back of your mind somewhere. It only takes some very stressful times for that nagging stress to come flooding to the front of your mind. Severe stress can also make your period late, and it would not surprise me if that happened to Maura when she was under so much stress.

    There has also been some speculation here that Maura was bulimic. If that was true, then it is also entirely possible that Maura purged too soon after taking one of her birth control pills, thus making them ineffective. Therefore she may really have been pregnant. Even if she was not pregnant, she had at least had sex during the time of her last period. Anybody know the last time she saw Billy? This was the first week in February. She likely saw Billy over Christmas break, but she would have had another period after she last saw him and before she searched that on her computer. Does anyone know if she saw Billy sometime after the first week of January? I would be surprised if she did, which leads me to:

    My female instinct tells me that the only way we are going to unravel this mystery is to find out which men were in Maura's life around the time she vanished. Where is the track coach she had an "affair" with? Maura clearly did not feel that she could turn to her fiance Billy with her problems. I get the feeling that those two were not emotionally that close anymore. Who was she close with? Who did she have sex with in January?

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    1. Thanks much for the great insights about the relationships among pregnancy, gestation and bulimic behavior. You clearly know your stuff intellectually and have your intuition tuned well to your rational mind.

      Could I ask a favor? It might well be worth a topic post to discuss those relationships. Could you tell me via email (John88Green@yahoo.com) a little more about your background, a little more about how all that works, and maybe point me to some sources. I think it would help James' cause.

      John

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  18. Things that came to mind after reading the timeline-
    -Are we positive the dogs were really tracking Mauras scent?
    -As a graduate nursing student I google a lot of strange things that may or may not have to do with what Im working on in school. Im not convinced she was pregnant.
    -Lets list the kind of phone calls that could make someone act the way Maura's boss claimed to have found Maura...and that phone call content would explain 75% of her disappearance.
    -I really wish we could get more out of Kate re: the party and visit with Fred.

    Nice job John Green.

    -MM

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    1. Thanks MM. Look forward to hearing more from you.

      Great thoughts. Here's my thoughts about your thoughts, in order.

      - no we are not sure
      - nor am I convinced. Somebody else might have been though.
      - I have thought about such a list: "you are dying Maura" fromm a doctor, "someone you love is dead or about to die," "you are about to go through a devastating experience like arrest or expulsion," "somebody you trust had sex with your boyfriend," " I am going to harm you in some way." There is probably more. Could I ask you to think it through from there and construct your list and send it to me. That could really be worth a topic post.

      I find it significant that in her hebephrenic state, she could only utter "my sister." Also (as you will read in my next post) I m not convinced - like everyone else seems to be - that this was a reference to Kathleen.

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  19. A very good point has been made regarding the fact that it seems obvious that Maura was not confiding in her boyfriend BR at that time.....that seems significant in some way...

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    1. Agreed.

      Who are you? Can you give us a first name, even a fake one, to remember you by?

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  20. John, great job- thanks for this. I've followed this for years and have never posted...but I have a question? Who called Maura's phone from the Londonberry ping? There has to be a way to get the phone number, even if it is no longer active. I'm a Market Research Director, I find people's email addresses, phone numbers and backgrounds for a living... Have the police not released this phone number? Has nobody been able to make a positive connection? I can tell you, if we had that number, we could rule it out or rule it relevant - and either move on, or dig deeper- thoughts?

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    1. Liz,

      Thanks for the kinds words.

      The police subpoenaed the records for the tower. They also subpoenaed Fred's cell records. For me, there may be a slight suggestion that Fred made the call. And if he was within 22 miles of the Londonderry Tower, which is next to I-93, I'd really like to know what he was doing up there if not meeting Maura.

      I don't have much expertise here, so actually, I would be interested to hear your thoughts. But I think the problem with getting at the data about the call is that the carriers are subject to Federal privacy laws. This is why a subpoena and affidavit had to be tendered to get the ping records.

      Also, I don't know is whether in 2003 a ping from a non-connected call necessarily told you what number the call came from. Probably, but I am not sure.

      If the police know who the call from, based on what we know, my money is on that call having come from Fred. We only know that they subpoenaed his phone records. We don't have an indication that they subpoenaed anyone else's. (Am I wrong here, anyone?)

      The ultimate context ... I don't know. But I like to learn more from your expertise. Why don't you poke around and see what you can construct and let us know. You can email me at John88Green@yahoo.com if you would like.

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  21. I really am wondering if she was leaving town to have an abortion and was trying to book a place to rest up after the procedure. Was she planning a week of being away to recover? She may have wanted to go out of town where nobody would recognize her to get it done. This could POTENTIALLY explain the 'family emergency' email she sent and why perhaps her family is so reluctant to share her business. In my personal opinion, she wasn't planning the wreck on the way to have this procedure and subsequently just took off. Maybe she even changed her mind. Who knows.

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    1. Rebecca,

      Huh, I am am working my way up. See my response to the next comment.

      Looking forward to hearing more from you.

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    2. Hi John

      I think that the potential pregnancy/abortion theory would explain a great deal about Fred's behavior. We need to remember as well that her birth control pills were found in the car...was it a new pack that she was planning on starting post-abortion perhaps? Again, this could be the death in the family she was speaking about via email...women do very strange things when faced with an unexpected pregnancy.

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    3. I also think that the pregnant theory makes a lot of sense. It could explain why Fred brought that money (although an abortion wouldn't cost $4000), why she had the breakdown, her web search, etc.

      If this is the case, the question becomes - was the baby's father involved with her impromptu trip and possibly with her disappearance?

      Also, I expect that if she was pregnant, she wasn't planning an abortion in NH. She just wanted to get away to think about what she would do, if she would keep the baby, who she would tell, etc.

      I expect that if she had planned for an abortion in NH, she would have contacted various clinics and researched the procedure beforehand and that there would be phone or web records of this. But who knows? Maybe she did search for this and LE is keeping it quiet.

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  22. Just speculation, but looking at the timeline two things seem in a a way connected.
    She did a google search on pregnancy and alcohol
    And hours later she was buying a lot of alcohol...

    Has anyone considered that her alcohol consumption was an ill attempt to end an unwanted pregnancy? (Utterly, stupid for a nursing student, but desperate people do not think straight...)

    So, maybe the family emergency was: she found out that she was pregnant, but not by her boyfriend ...Maybe she told her father and instead of being supportive he got very angry with her, even pressuring her to hide the affair and terminate the pregnancy...(4000 Dollars seem a bit much for that, but who knows. Her father probably is ashamed by the secret and even fears that police would be even less involved, if someone finds out...


    And also the credit card fraud was catching up with her...It was mentioned before, but I guess she was bulimic and addicted too food...It would also explain why her track career was ending...She did not have the energy too keep the time up...Bulimics often suffer from electrolyte imbalances...

    An severe eating disorder costs much more money than people think. Bulimics can eat 10000 calories a day or more and maybe Fred knew of her addiction and like many parents he tried too control it...he gave her a full meal plan at university BUT no extra spending money..Of course it back fired and Maura was so consumed by her illness, that she spend her friends money...Bulimics are quite secretive and they do not eat large quantities of food in front of other people, so probably even close friends did not know that....

    Probably the 4000 Dollar were for paying some of Mauras Debts...

    So has anyone checked which meal plan she was on? Did she have lots of extra spending money?

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  23. Hey Blogwesen (great name);

    You know, I never really thought much about that before, that connection between her search and subsequent purchase of alcohol. It is another curious and tantalizing but vague clue.

    That said, it seems for a nursing student, with the core acumen you would have by your junior year, to be looking for a way to induce an abortion by alcohol is unlikely. But who knows. How about this idea? She had just discovered (after admitting to herself that she needed to get tested) that she was pregnant. Maybe the research was around feeling panic about what her drinking may have done to the fetus? There is a scenario you could align there with the other facts, but like all the scenarios, they each have their inviting merits and contradictions.

    The rest of your post is equally thought provoking. I especially liked the comment about all the money bulimics eat only to be malnourished. I wonder if I could ask you to send a source on that. It ties in with so many other features of the case, that it might be worth a post. Would be much appreciated.

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    1. Oh ... and Blogwesen, glad you are here. Looking forward to more of your sharp thinking.

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    2. Part III) Let me add a few words to Bulimia and medical complications

      Actually the majority of bulimics will suffer from medical complications...
      Those complications can range from mild too extremely severe. it really depends on how long you suffer from the illness and what type of bulimia you have and how often you binge eat...Some bulimics only purge after really large binges and exercise a lot to prevent weight gain others abuse diuretics. Some do both at the same time which is riskier...
      The syrup “ipecac” was advertised quite a while in the pro bulimia world. It is normally used to induce vomiting in poison victims. Abused and consumed in huge quantities it can “quickly” produce cardiac arrest and severe muscle weakness...
      But also the induced vomiting/ laxative abuse can lead to electrolyte imbalances quite quickly... Vomiting and diarrhea result in excessive fluid loss. In order to prevent dehydration,
      you have to replenish these fluids and electrolytes and severe bulimics often tends to restrict their water and food intake after an attack. Even denying themselves fluid, which can be dangerous....If your an athlete at the same time serious symptoms can occur, such as very low blood pressure, or tachycardia (rapid heart rate)...Even confusion or loss of consciousness for even a brief moment.

      For people not suffering from the illness it probably sounds ridiculous, but the shame and self loathing and the need to control the body weight often leads to the wrong thing...: Restriction, starving...Then the “cycle” starts all over again...
      As one of the most common medical problems, „rotten teeth“ are often listed as the first sign of the illness. But you have to be ill for years to completely damage your teeth...
      At first bulimics often only suffer from small things you hardly notice, like constipation, bloating, icy hands and feet (starving).
      Some bulimics (but not all ) have infected or swollen glands known as “chipmunk cheeks” (Mostly heavy purgers) (Mauras cheeks looked a bit like that, but it could also be a family trait...I only saw like 20 photos of her)
      In clinical studies nearly half of the Bulimics (who where hospitalized during their illness) had irregular menstrual periods or amenorrhea...(Still, you can get pregnant with an irregluar cycle) In severe cases bulimia can cause, osteoporosis, myopathy, and irregularities in brain imaging.

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    3. Part IVa) Was Maura suffering from an severe eating disorder? And to be honest: We don't have enough information to be sure about that...But there are a few indicators strongly suggesting that Maura fits into that image of an eating disorder sufferer...

      There are certain family dynamics often related to the illness...(Some scholars might differ from that view and see eating disorders as highly genetical, but most scholars see e. disorders in the larger context of a dysfunctional family... One book I recommend is: (Family Structure in Eating Disorders by W.A. Spannuth)
      Anorexics often have families that on the surface seem „ideal“ loving families, but upon close observation it is often revealed that parents tends to be un-affectionate toward their children and warmth and understanding is missng. Conflict in those families is avoided at all costs, but an underlying dissatisfaction, even tension is often present within the parents marriage of the sufferer. Many scholars suggest that parents of anorexics put high expectations on their children to over-compensate for the lack of love in their own marriage. And the anorexic is then capable of using the illness to unite his/her parents.
      This dynamic reminds me of Mauras Family...Mauras father presents himself as loving, kind and close to his daughter, but you can sense that there are underlying problems. Everyone who wants a deeper look into the family life is dismissed. (like J. Renner) Still on the surface Fred fights for his daughter and will take no refusal from the local police.
      Two of his daughters have symptoms of a mental illness and two daughters are quite ambitious track runners and make it into a very selective programm: West Point. Both seem to fullfill rather their fathers ambition than their own dream...In Mauras family her parents roles seems reversed to the typical model of “anorexic families” often mothers are overprotective and overinvolved..In fewer cases are mothers ambivalent (more often you find that with bulimics) or to be emotionally completely rejecting the daugther. The father is often distant and at the sidelines of the family...In Mauras Family it seems the other way around. Her relationship to her father seems to be overattentive and ambivalent at the same time... Fred like in other cases (the anorexic mother) tends to focus all of his attention on the well-being of his children but at the same time he sets expectations a little too high for his children mirroring his own ambitions for external achievement. Like the anorexic mothers (described by studys) he seemed to be involved socially, but lacking intimate friendship. That's why in many cases, the children (daughter) become the parents confidant. At the same time his daughters are guild-ed into fulfill his dreams and ambitions...(Always scared losing his attention and support...Fred does not accept his daughters as they are but wants them to be like an ideal image of himself. This overinvolvement creates separation difficulty between him and his children during adolescence. His daughters are not able to seperate their needs from their fathers and turn themselves into different addictions..
      In Mauras family the mother seems to be distant..More like the father types who are often peripheral to the family often described as passive and ineffectual. (But we do not know this for sure...I analyze this based on the fact that the mother never seemed to be as active involved into the search of her daughter than Fred was...She could also have been warm and caring but controlled by Fred...)

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    4. Part IVb)This family environment lets Maura “crack” first..She is not able to handle all that pressure...Probably there were first signs in high school: With puberty body changes occur and she tries to keep her figure by starving herself...(Her family can hide her anorexics tendencies for quite a while...) Than after a short period of time Maura slips into being so hungry that she starts eating huge amounts of food and purging parts of it or abusing diuretics. She gains weight, but she does not do well in Track anymore...Her addiction is getting so bad, that she steals from other students and is dismissed from West Point. Stealing is a common behavior for bulimics. According to a survey 37% of the bulimics who were asked, also list suffering from kleptomania as a symptom. “Obviously, stealing is one way to offset the cost of food, but there is more to kleptomania than just basic economics. Both compulsive shopping and stealing are ways to “fill up” without eating, as well as to symbolically fulfill unmet emotional needs. Also, stealing from other people can be a way to communicate negative feelings without using words.” http://www.bulimia.com/client/client_pages/bulimia10.cfm

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    5. Part IVb)This family environment lets Maura “crack” first..She is not able to handle all that pressure...Probably there were first signs in high school: With puberty body changes occur and she tries to keep her figure by starving herself...(Her family can hide her anorexics tendencies for quite a while...) Than after a short period of time Maura slips into being so hungry that she starts eating huge amounts of food and purging parts of it or abusing diuretics. She gains weight, but she does not do well in Track anymore...Her addiction is getting so bad, that she steals from other students and is dismissed from West Point. Stealing is a common behavior for bulimics. According to a survey 37% of the bulimics who were asked, also list suffering from kleptomania as a symptom. “Obviously, stealing is one way to offset the cost of food, but there is more to kleptomania than just basic economics. Both compulsive shopping and stealing are ways to “fill up” without eating, as well as to symbolically fulfill unmet emotional needs. Also, stealing from other people can be a way to communicate negative feelings without using words.” http://www.bulimia.com/client/client_pages/bulimia10.cfm

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    6. Part V) Mauras personality: For me she seemed on the verge of a mental breakdown, when she went missing. But all of her behaviors also fit the description of a personality disorder. People with Borderline personality disorder (BPD) are prone to accidents... Maura had quite a few accidents in a short amount of time...Most Borderline patients are unstable in their thoughts and often have major mood swings. They are acting impulsive, dangerous at times. (Her behaviors speak for themselves. She constantly made the wrong decisions...Leaving the scene of an accident unattended...Not seeking help by the police etc.)
      Often BPD sufferers are in unstable relationships and use emotional weapons such as suicide threats, Blackmail toward their beloved ones. They are deeply scared of being alone and seek constant attention. But their actions often seem counter productive to achieve their goals... Mauras relationship to her boyfriend remembers me of that description. He cheats on her. She is deeply hurt but still holds on to him and she is probably also blackmailing him with her discovery. But at the same time Mauras own actions are not better, because she cheated on him as well and had affairs with other guys...
      But Maura also had some character traits of someone who suffers from an avoidant personality disorder. (statistically this personality type is more often found in patients suffering from anorexia. But the comorbidity (overlap) between different personality disorders is high, so Maura could have had traits from both illnesses.) Like people with avoidant personality disorder Maura was a perfectionist and probably felt that the only way to get loved and be accepted she had to do what her father wanted from her and had to fulfill all his wishes. Also: Overly perfectionist people cannot deal with failure or criticism, a bad graded paper or even the slightest, most innocent form of criticism is enough to reinforce their feelings of complete worthlessness. So maybe she was easily discouraged not seeing her bright future: Graduating from nursing school, but all her failures (credit card fraud) possibly being expelled another time...( Are universities in America really that harsh? In Germany credit card fraud and a prior conviction would end a career in law but not necessarly a university career...Only some branches check your criminal records.)

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    7. Part 6 The END) But even if all my considerations are true: What do we learn by that? There are lots of remaining options: She could have been suicidal at that day...Deeply ashamed of her actions. Loathing herself...Wishing her own death...OR: She was planning her way out of all her situations and running away on her own or with company OR Someone who was not trustworthy used her mental state to his advantages and offered her a ride to a supposed save haven..( Some predators observe their victims for awhile and even target certain personality types. If this scenario is true: Was he close to her?) Or was she just a random victim and at the wrong time at the wrong place? Someone could have get her when she was running through remote areas...(After she left the accident scene) It is easier catching someone in the wild without planning it then in the middle of a street...(The question is: How can you narrow that down? Or rule something out?)
      All our thoughts about her dysfunctional family could be clues or random side notes. Maybe Fred is afraid that people stop caring if he reveals the whole family history and circumstances of Mauras disappearance...There must be a reason why the police is treating this case rather like someone is gone voluntarily missing than an abduction? Without the police files I do not see a way to come closer to the truth...And Freds hypothesis that a local scumbag caught her could have some merit or it only deflects from his own involvement... Probably Maura revealed something about her relationships with men to her father and he encouraged her to stay in the crappy engagement rather than going away with someone else living local---Probably he found out she was pregnant by someone other than her boyfriend and encouraged her to abort the child, because he liked her fiances Westpoint connection too much... But Fred could also simply create an external evil to deflect from his own emotional involvement...(He could feel guilty about his actions and secretly fearing that his daughter committed suicide, because he did not support her in her times of need...It is way easier to create an outside aggressor than to feel remorse and guilt)

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  24. I have posted this before, but it's since disappeared. Since the topic has come up here, I will throw in my two cents.

    Regarding maura searching the web about alcohol consumption and pregnancy. I know some posters who stated that as a nursing student they googled all kinda of strange things, but I would imagine that they would be in topic appropriate courses. So maybe if we knew which classes maura was taking that semester, it would be easier to make an assumption on whether that was a class related search or a personal one.

    Also, I agree that if she was searching for personal reasons, I would bet she would go somewhere where no one would recognize her. And I checked and New Hampshire does do late term abortions. Which take a few days at times to recover from. Makes sense why she might have books and such with her. It could also help explain the email to her teachers about the family emergency.

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  25. This is my first post here. One thing I found intiguing about the timeline was the timing of events for numbers 56 through 60. Intermingled with searches for potential logings is a computer search about pregnancy & alcohol. I don't think this is a coincidence. Maura was conucting computer searches to find a place to stay that night (at a minimum). Some time after the first two searches for lodging the pregnancy search happens. Her dorm room is packed up and she is searching for lodging. Pregnancy (and alcohol) is on her mind along with leaving and finding lodging. I believe these two things are connected in her mind. I strongly feel Maura (or perhaps her sister) was pregnant. Later that day she would withdraw money from her bank, buy alcohol, and leave. The connection of these two computer searches might suggest any number of scenarios and really does not answer any questions. I just thought it was interesting how when you take into account the acitivities of just that day, they don't seem random, rather, inextricably linked (at least to me).

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  26. I've been following this case since Maura was first reported missing. The two big mysteries are what prompted Maura to leave, and what happened to her after she left. But knowing the answer to the first, doesn't necessarily help with the second.

    I too believe that Maura was pregnant and that she was leaving town to have an abortion. Her search for the effects of alcohol on fetuses could have been to determine if she had harmed the fetus, or she could have been thinking about drinking alcohol before the abortion to numb both her and the fetus. IIRC, in some emails explaining her being away, she claimed a family emergency, and in at least one she claimed a death in the family (a possible allusion to the abortion).

    The phone call that upset Maura remains a puzzle as well. It had to be pretty devastating news. I'm in my 60s and I don't think I've reacted to any news in that way. It can't be that she was pregnant -- she would have determined that from a self-test kit. A scenario that I've thought of - that has no basis in any known facts - is something like Maura having an affair with a married professor who had told her he would leave his wife for her. Maura tells him she's pregnant, he calls her at work and tells her it's over, he's not leaving his wife, to get rid of the baby. But that doesn't explain why all she said to her supervisor was "My sister."

    I think Maura was planning to come back - that's why she brought her textbooks and insurance papers with her.

    I'm not convinced that it was Maura that Bruce Atwood saw in the car. I think something happened to her earlier - either an unlucky encounter with strangers. or in my above scenario, foul play by whomever her lover was. In either of those situations, two additional people would have to be involved. Maura was killed somewhere earlier along the route. Then one person drives Maura's car further along the route so the car won't be found near the body, with the second person following.

    Kip

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  27. Part II ) Probably it would be easier to confirm or too rule out the idea that she was bulimic...
    I noticed that she was quite thin in her older track meeting photos. Probably she started her way into the addiction by starving herself first...Many former anorexics turn to bulimia later...
    Someone could ask her ex-highschool peers...( Probably a female college student majoring in journalism could approach Mauras friends in highschool and university...It is easier to talk to someone you can relate to...And she would not be directly related to J. Renner...)

    You wanted some references for my claim that bulimics often look healthy and have an ideal weight, but still are extremely sick...(And also a reference about the food cost...(?) I am not very familiar with the english/american scholars who write about this subject..., since my native language is german, but after a google search I found some material...
    You can find a Reprint from Bulimia: A Guide to Recovery online..(It is a good start to read and easier to understand than a medical study)

    http://www.bulimia.com/client/client_pages/bulimia8.cfm

    Laboratory screening for electrolyte abnormalities and anemia in bulimia nervosa: A controlled study (Only accessible if you are a faculty member of a university )

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/eat.1086/abstract;jsessionid=CBA050B2BE715EF4550D9A962F4296EF.d04t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

    Long Term Health Risks Due to Impaired Nutrition in Women with a Past History of Bulimia Nervosa (The Diabetes II section is most revealing)
    http://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/6vt2k42t.pdf

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  28. If you were planning an abortion,alcohol consumption would be a non issue.Would a late term abortion be close to $4000?Im not even sure late term abortions are performed in Ma.?Maybe she was traveling to NH for this reason?

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  29. The thing that bothers me is in the initial news stories reported the following:
    -That Maura was intoxicated at the scene - later stories all say SHE WAS NOT intoxicated.
    -It seems like the Murray's do know something - Maura's sister said "She may think she is in some kind of trouble and we want to let her know everything is file" or something to that effect. I also remember FM saying something similar in the days following her disappearance.
    -Jenniferever

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  30. I'm afraid that sometimes investigations can get lost in the details. Motive is everything.

    Watch another Disappeared episode - The Long Drive Home (Michelle McMullen)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyRDj_tO9lE

    It's the same case. Both girls:

    1. were students.
    2. were stealing money and were in big trouble with law enforcement.
    3. tied up loose ends before they left. Michelle made child care arrangements. Maura packed up her stuff in boxes and told her professors that she was leaving.

    4. went on long drives right before their disappearance.
    5. abandoned their cars by the sides of the roads in lightly populated areas.
    6. had a close girlfriend that had to have more information, but who were reluctant to tell the whole story.

    7. left letters or printed emails that seemed to offer an explanation for their disappearance.
    8. had families that insisted their daughters wouldn't run away by choice.

    There are many more things that these cases have in common. Even their initials are the same. Michelle was found living in California. I believe that Maura will be found in Canada eventually.

    She wasn't suicidal. She was running away. She "didn't feel like talking to anyone". She emptied out her bank account and split.

    Focusing on extreme details like what Fred Murray put next to the Playboy magazine that he threw away seems silly.

    Just my 2 cents.

    -Johnny Appleseed


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  31. New poster here and a West Point mom. Knowing what I do about the Army and West Point's physical requirements, I find it hard to believe that an eating disorder would go unnoticed. Cadets' weights are monitored and if Maura were underweight according to the Army's standards, she would be placed at a special table in the mess hall where the food would be higher in calories and her subsequent weight gain would be recorded and followed. Athletes also eat at tables where the food is more plentiful and higher in calories.

    Stealing is an honor offense at West Point and is dealt with severely. I'm not clear as to when Maura was separated from West Point. If she had signed her "Cow Commitment," the oath of affirmation that juniors sign at the beginning of their Cow year, then if she was separated after that she would owe the Army/government several hundreds of thousands of dollars as repayment for her education.

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