A new look at one of the North Country's Coldest Cases
Police are also investigating a message on Maura's phone from a friend she talked to the day before she disappeared.
I always wondered about text messages, text message records, and if text messaging could have been a distraction and been a factor in any of the two accidents
Was texting popular in early 2004? I'm not sure her phone had that capability or provider service.
I've read stats that say between 2001-2004 was when text messaging hit it's popularity. I remember sending texts in 2004 with the most basic Nokia phone. According to the Maura Murray Missing page she had a Samsung flip phone that was was capable of texting (according to its specs) I feel it's at least a possibility.
I just watched a documentary on her disappearance on Netflix on a show called "Disappeared". It's Episode 2, Season 1. Answers a lot of these questions.
from Whitman express:"Maura called a fellow nursing student at 1:13 p.m., though the purpose for her call is not clear. According to John Healey, a New Hampshire private investigator who is familiar with the case, Maura may have arranged to give her scrubs to a fellow nursing student. Family member Helena Murray maintains that Maura, always conscientious, was merely returning scrubs she borrowed from another student."Possibly this is the call.JWB
Nice work JWB.
James, if I recall this story came out early on in the investigation. I wonder if this could be a voice mail she may have been responding to with the "I love you more ... don't feel like talking" email(s).John
we were told that Maura did not have her cell phone until sunday p.m.8.30 was what I was told when she retrieved it from Sara Alfieri whom she had ,we are told may have worked with Maura on Sunday.Makes me wonder who had access to the phone and contact numbers
things aren't making much sense here. to wit: i don't understand how investigators could have known what messages were on her phone ... (what and how did they access that information?) ... and then not make contact for how long (six months? maybe longer?) with the last people maura is now known to have called ...
All of that information was available from the cell phone provider. Voice mails are stored on the voicemail system at the provider and you have to call to listen to them. Copies of text messages and who they are sent to and from are retained on the servers for a number of weeks for investigative purposes. And text messages are so small that you could literally store billions of them on an average size hard drive in 2004.Likewise, logs of incoming and outgoing calls and their duration are retained. These will also store information on the cell towers used during the call and the duration on each tower. That can be used to see when a call was handed off from one tower to another and determine where someone was traveling.All in all, law enforcement would be able to subpoena that information from the phone provider and get a very accurate picture of their communications minus the content of what was said during a call.
To the Franzia wine theory person:Do we know for certain the boxed wine was 5 liters? http://www.franzia.com/aboutthewines_vintner.shtml#2They come in 3 liter boxes too. Still quite a lot to consume on a persons own....but way more doable than the larger one.
I thought it was 5 liters because that was stated by Lt. Scarinza on the Disappeared episode about Maura's disappearance. I theorize about the wine. For all anyone knows it was damaged during the accident and spilled out onto the backseat of her car making drinking the wine not important and my theory not important.There is more than just spilled wine that makes me wonder about Maura's case. Whether she had a sleeping bag in the trunk of her car is something I would like to know? It just is strange to me that a person who is planning on going hiking does not have a sleeping bag with them. It is all these little things, not just one thing, that make her case so interesting and makes me question whether the many theories associated with her case. Franzia wine theory person
I hike nearly every day. I never take a sleeping bag, and have only camped twice in the last 10 years. Was much the same when I was Maura's age.Given the calls she made, seems pretty clear she wasn't planning on camping. It was midwinter after all.adam
on the Disappeared show a cop said a spilled coke can was found outside the car that had alcohol in it implied Maura opened the wine and was using the coke can to drink it, which also explains why the wine spilled in the accident.
Why was Maura driving in the afternoon/evening if her car was in bad shape? If the car was in such bad shape that they needed to buy a new one, why didn't she drive to her destination during daylight hours? Makes me think that perhaps the car was not really that bad...?
Hi anon. Good point. How do we know her car was in bad shape? If I am not mistaken that information came entirely from Fred.John
Hi John,This is from an article in the Patriot Ledger, March 9, 2004." Then she loaded her Saturn sedan, a car that friends said she hadn't started in weeks, and took off. Her dorm mates didn't even notice she was gone." I think that is some sort of corroboration that her car was in bad shape, from a source that is not FM. JW
If she hadn't started it in weeks, I'm surprised that the battery hadn't run down.
Maura spoke with 3 loved ones that Sunday. I'll name them, but not in order. Fred, kathleen, billy. Then fred again to talk about getting those papers next day. (They spoke about 11:00 pm Sunday night)Correct me if wrong but the call about scrubs was Monday, and maura called her.This leaves ppl like sara from work or the person who moved on. Could she be the one who didnt want to get maura in trouble? Is the Scrub nursing student the one to give mauras departure time from campus? Whomever left a message the day before must have been heard by maura first.When she left and called her own phone, was it to hear the plan or hear the hurtful words?
Maura’s cell phone was a Samsung SPH A620/VGA 1000. She could receive a text message, not send any. So the message could be a voicemail or a text message. I found that she had this model on mauramurraymissing.com . The details of that model can be found on:http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=318&gi=1Remember the smoking man the witness saw in Maura’s car? It’s been said they didn’t see someone smoking, but someone using a phone. With a cellphone like Maura’s this is indeed possible. When you are using this phone, there is a small display on the outside of the phone. So I think it is possible to confuse that display with a burning cigarette (from a distance and in the dark). Back to the message. What is the precise meaning of these lines? The more I read about the case, the more I wonder whether police found something specific early on that led them to believe it was not a criminal case. That is one thing that keeps coming back. LE doesn’t (or didn’t) think it is (was) a criminal case. In the article in Socco magazine from April 2011, an official assigned to the cold case unit states that “the investigation developed information that raised a question as to whether Maura Murray disappeared as a result of foul play.” Those words are not very specific but whenever LE is cited in any article, they are extremely vague and sparse with information. That is not unusual, but in Maura’s case it seems to be extreme. They have not even released the images from the ATM and the liquor store. You think it would have been helpful if the public knew what she looked like on the day she disappeared? But if LE assumed or knew she disappeared voluntarily, it becomes more understandable they didn’t release that footage or any other information.Perhaps this message from a friend is that clue telling police that she voluntarily disappeared. Not only why she went away to where she was going, but also why she disappeared after the accident. Interesting is also police probably know who the friend is. Someone she talked to on Sunday. Who could that be? I hope James knows.If only we could read those police files…Another thing. The article doesn’t say the message was left on her phone on Sunday. So it could also be a message sent on the day of her disappearance or even on a later date. And it also doesn’t say Maura talked to that friend on the phone. It’s a lot of information and perhaps a bit off topic and confusing, but I wanted to share it anyway. JW
JW --This is a really interesting perspective and it contains a few things I did not know. Let me just take it slightly further.You could almost say that LE's take on the case would be further explained if it wasn't just that they questioned whether there was foul play, but that they were unofficially sympathetic to Maura's situation, and suspected (most likely) Fred as the casus belli.I don't have a specific reason for theorizing this, just lots of little indicators, the biggest one of which being the tug-of-war over the files of the case between Fred and the state, but I also would think that the police would take a sterner view of Maura's taking off and using up taxpayer resources looking for her if there wasn't some ground level, tacit understanding of her probable reasons by the investigating officers.You keep coming back to this dynamic that the family wants Maura back, which I truly believe is a genuine desire. And if one makes the natural assumption that Maura would want that too, it leads you to foul play or, less probably, death by exposure. Which would be a natural position for the family to take.But if you consider the possibility that Maura didn't want to go back to her family in the first place, the whole picture completely changes.adam
Honestly, if we knew the whole truth about what happened on "Saturday Night" from all parties involved...I guarantee, we would have a very good understanding of what happened to Maura. That being said, I would like to know what it would take to pull off your own disappearance. How difficult is it for Maura to just "up and leave" her old life. If Canada is her destination, I think, in 2004, it isn't as difficult as you'd think. I went to college in Plattsburgh, NY and in those days, a trip into Montreal was just a matter of waiting in line at the border. And when she gets there, again in my opinion, she could get lost there...become a new person. Really, from discovering this site through the terribly factless wikipage and discovering all the new information and facts, I have to say...I think she is alive and well and not remotely interested in coming back to her old life. I can't say I blame her. The MOST amazing aspect of this whole story is...I think she'd pulled it off!
Good to read this, reminds me that it's still a real possibility she is alive!