Wednesday, February 19, 2014

List of Agencies Shows Focus of Investigation

Among the documents given to Fred during his court battles with New Hampshire was a list of agencies that have furnished reports related to the investigation into Maura's disappearance. Here is the list, along with my thoughts on each.


New Hampshire State Police (lead agency)

Haverhill PD (first responders)

NH Fish and Game (helped coordinate ground and air searches)

Exeter, MA PD (this is presumably a typo. there is an Exeter in NH and Maine, but not Mass -- I do not have a theory about why this jurisdiction was contacted)

Oxford County Sheriffs ME (this county borders Quebec)

FBI (contrary to Fred's claims, the FBI have been involved since the beginning)

Grafton County Sheriffs (this is county Haverhill, NH is located in)

Vermont State Police (reasons to contact VSP include links to Brianna Maitland case and/or criminal history on Kathleen Murray)

UMASS PD (investigation of credit fraud, disappearance)

Amherst MA PD (credit fraud)

Hadley MA PD (reports related to accident of Fred's car)

Rochester PD (this is interesting. This is where Kate Markopoulos has been working)

Sullivan County Department of Corrections (no idea)

Can you help me fill in some of these holes?

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  1. Sullivan County NY is the county next to the county west point is in. I would say it's pretty close by.

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    1. And strangely, Sullivan county NH is next to the one where Maura disappeared. Also Goshen NH (where the new years party was) is in Sullivan county.

      It didn't specify what state?

      Why DOC? Maybe info on a potential POI? I really have no clue, that one is bizarre.

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  2. Didn't Healy say they got word she was working at a bar in Rochester?

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  3. The Quebec angle is interesting; it, at the least, lets us know the investigation lead them there.

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  4. http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/02/search-for-maura-involved-multiple.html

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  5. James, it's been around 8 years since the court ruled that it was in the public's interest to keep the police files sealed in this case. But their "75% likelihood" of an arrest hasn't produced one.

    I think an excellent and history-making angle here would be for YOU (or someone on your behalf) to bring another suit on the theory that after 10 years, crowd-sourcing the investigation with access to the case files would be much more likely to yield a result than letting the records stay sealed - and therefore a better benefit to the public and better allocation of resources.

    It's a long-shot but it would be a landmark case and a hell of a story for you to tell. I think people in the sleuthing community would contribute generously to defray the costs (even more so than they did for the newspaper ads). We're at a critical juncture - most of the "cast of characters" are still alive and have relatively vivid memories of the events, most records still exist, etc. That will not necessarily be the case in another 10 years. Interest is high right now - seize that.

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    1. Interesting idea. But I think the solution is in legislation and not lawsuits. It might be better to lobby a NH politician to create a new law giving a statute of limitation to police files. But I'd recommend 20 yrs instead of 10.

      About the 75% chance of an arrest-- he wasn't necessarily speaking about an arrest relating to murder or abduction. It could be referring to those other crimes the police uncovered while investigating Maura's disappearance.

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    2. I am not that familiar with American legal procedures, but in my opinion a law suit (even a not winnable one) would put more pressure on politicians than "Lobbying"...The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press could help with the procedures...If James is not willing to do that, maybe someone else -who is invested in Mauras story- can do it...Following a two-pronged strategy would probably even more effective...

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  6. Just a question. What if someone lied to investigators about information they knew? Like why she was going to NH that week, or possibly where she could be now? Could they be charged with something?

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    1. If Maura was wanted for a crime, they could be charged with obstruction of justice or impeding a criminal investigation. So far, from what I can tell, the search for her began pursuant to a missing persons report, not related to any criminal activity she may or may not have been involved in. So even if she was later pursued for criminal charges resulting from identity theft etc, on a technicality involving the reason for the police's investigation, then the answer would most likely be no. If someone knows something about her whereabouts but is afraid to coem forward, hiring a lawyer to negotiate with the DA for immunity from charges in exchange for information would be a safe way to approach it. It is my humble opinion though that no charges would be pressed against someone who came forward. The reason being, the person came forward voluntary so no level of coaxing is needed to get them to speak, and secondly, it is unlikely that the DA would slap charges on that person since the charges would most likely not be a motivator for Maura to come out of the woodwork, since she has shown (whatever her reason may be and however justified she may or may not have been) an indifference to the feelings of her friends and family. I believe at this juncture, the authorities just want answers. And in the end, an intelligent, living, willful person out running the law that has gone unnoticed by the FBI, PD, etc. for years is going to reflect better on the investigating skills of everyone involved than them being blamed for not finding her body after a decade. So again, I dont think anyone with information should have cause for concern about approaching the authorities with information. I believe they are eager for the truth and willing to work with people to get them.

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    2. If they lied as in making a false report to police they can be charged with false reporting of a crime. The chances of LE finding out the were lied too after 10 years is probably slim. I think it also depends on how big of a lie it is as far as being charges with it. I'd assume after 10 years they're just going to be happy to have someone come forth with some sort of information.

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    3. At the time Petrit Vasi was clingng to life. If they linked her to that hit and run and he died , vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of an accident , could be serious charges and reason for cover up. And maybe the dad petitioning the court was trying to find out if she isxsuspected in that. Vassi lived and may even still be able to sue in civil court for damages. Its a pretty good reason to remain in hiding. i know Renner has prety much ruled this out , but im still not 100 percent convinced she did not have some direct or indirect involvement. Its the only thing that i can think of why she still would be in recluse.

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  7. This is getting way off the map, but in addition to Exeter NH and ME there is also an Exeter PA. It is in the next county over from Sullivan county PA.

    Of course it is extremely doubtful that this has any connection to the list of agencies, but it does account for two different unknowns from the list and puts them in close proximity to one another. Just throwing it out there.

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  8. It sure would be nice if Kate Markoupolous would do a sit down.

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  9. Bartlett, NH is like 15 miles from the Maine border (Oxford County). Just a thought.

    Also with the Sullivan DOC involved, as someone said, my guess would be they had a person of interest and wanted to know more about them.

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    1. And from what I see there are no border crossings into Quebec from Oxford county. Doesn't mean she couldn't have crossed through the woods but thought I'd throw that out there.

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  10. And as it was brought up on the previous post with this information. It would be more informative if you had the extent of each agencies involvement in the case. As one agency could have been involved just because there was a false sighting they checked into. Simple as that.

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  11. Just want to make a couple points about Oxford County, Maine. James, I think your comment that is borders Quebec is deceptive to the extent that it is intentionally suggestive.

    First of all, Oxford County is long (north to south) and narrow (east to west), containing more than half of the border between New Hampshire and Maine, including the road that 112 becomes in Maine. In other words, a really obvious reason it may have been included among the jurisdictions who did something or provided information in this case is that Maura was on a road driving toward it, albeit at quite a distance.

    But much more importantly is the area around this border shared by Oxford County and Quebec. The border is about 15 miles long, stretching in a jagged line across about 10 miles' distance east to west. At its closest point, the nearest U.S. paved road that could possibly be driven on in the winter 20 miles south of the border.

    There is ZERO percent chance that Maura went into Oxford County Maine and from there entered Quebec, particularly given the fact that no passport was required to enter Canada in 2003. I have snow shoed in that region, in February as a matter of fact. It is rugged, difficult and sometimes dangerous terrain. It is ridiculous to suggest she accessed Quebec through Oxford County.

    Frankly, there has been a sensationalist tone to your posts lately, James, as well as a kind of stretching of facts to make suggestions align with your thesis. Although I respect you a lot, I am starting to have some questions about your credibility and wondering about your motivations. This began after you left unresolved and dangling the bold proclamations that you knew where Maura went and who she went with, and that you were weeks away from solving the case. Looking back, it feels like you were just shoveling it at that point and that is why you never came back to that topic. Perhaps I am wrong and maybe you had a good reason for your approach, but it is making me wonder, as does this unfounded, clearly not investigated and sensationalist suggestion that Oxford County's short border with Quebec has any relevance whatsoever to Maura's disappearance.

    Another symptom of this trend was your appearance on the news show, where you substantiated an response to the argument that it is very difficult to disappear with the romanticizing comment, "if anyone could do it, Maura could. She was brilliant and tenacious." (Or words to that effect.) Everyone seems to turn Maura into someone they pretend to know and have some relationship with. I never felt you had done that until recently.

    I hate to say this James, but in the aforementioned instances and others here, it seems like you are starting to drink your own bathwater. Maybe it is time to take a step back an get back to basics. Why are you doing this and what do you really care the most about?

    ~ John Green

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    1. I personally don't mind the fact that James was shown to be wrong re: Maura following on from the article where he claimed he was weeks away from solving the case..

      What I did mind was the total lack of follow-up to that post - and the lack of acknowledgment that it is/was way-off.

      The post you mention undoubtedly suggested that James knew where Maura was, why she was there and who with.

      As noble as it was of James to canvass Canada for information, why he felt the need to suggest the trip was made on the basis of a solid tip is beyond me.

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    2. John, my interpretation of Renner's earlier statement is that he believed Maura ran to Canada with the Poker player (his name eludes me at the moment, but is probably better off not mentioned anyway lest someone decide to approach his mother while she's shoveling snow in Massachusetts and give her a heart attack).

      I don't begrudge Renner a propensity to get overly excited about one particular theory or another - part of his job is to drum up interest and he''s very good at it. I don't think he's deliberately misleading us, just perhaps getting a little ahead of himself at times. That's human nature - we all do it. Point taken that a follow-up post could help put everything in context "for the record."

      The post in question was a "letter to Maura" in which Renner conveyed that he "felt" that he was close to solving the case in a "matter of weeks." The main point of the post was (at least ostensibly) to give Maura a chance to preserve her privacy - to put her on notice, as it were. Although it's a subtle distinction, I do think that there is some difference between that and a "bold proclamation," although I may just be splitting hairs. In any event, I think it goes without saying that the case has not been solved, and so Renner and the rest of us continue to suss out theories and investigate.

      Speaking of investigations, theories, and follow-ups, I recall that some time ago, just before your blog went off-line, you had promulgated a series of intriguing hypotheses regarding a shady chiropractor, a sinister elderly couple, an abandoned red house once owned by lesbians, an insurance fraud ring, a possible shallow grave, and/or Maura Murray sightings in town later on the night of February 9th (either at a bed-and-breakfast or a bowling alley, I don't recall which). While I realize you have no obligation to follow up on that either way as you have removed yourself from the forefront of the "community", I think there are many of us who would be interested to hear your conclusions, if any, on all that if you'd care to share.

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    3. John Green is merely pointing out James Renner's unprofessionalism. As the "investigative journalist" (and I use that term lightly) at the forefront of this internet "investigation" he should at least act like an adult, as opposed to an excitable teenager. This blog is often very gossipy and the maturity level of his posts has taken a nosedive, especially the one where he thought the Murray family was threatening violence. Screams insolent teenager.

      If he were more objective and not as egotistically involved, perhaps he could admit to his shortcomings and realize his chance of solving this is about 1%.

      J Green is right when he says he's drinking his own bathwater, but he's been doing it for quite a while.

      I'd also like to reiterate that it is ludicrous to think it was a good idea to "put Maura on notice." Again, who does he think he is?

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    4. 1) I do not like all of James' Strategies: Publishing Kate M's. identity and Family Background online..., before speaking with her a second time...He is alienating potential witnesses by exposing them online to quickly...not everyone likes their family history dragged out into the open...

      2) But in this case James only offers "his thoughts" why a certain PD might be involved. He does not even mention a possible border crossing over this particular county....And for me it does not seem unlikely to contact a PD bordering Quebec to confirm/rule out possible sightings in Quebec...This rumor is out for quite a while now and message boards are monitored by the police all the time...

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  12. If you break it down a bit more simpler with the information we have.

    Either Maura Murray, who lied about where she was going prior to her disappearance, disappeared of her own free will to do-whatever. Start a new life... commit suicide...join the CIA... enter witness protection.. etc. etc. OR if she got out of that car and -was- the victim of a crime of opportunity. In either of those cases... which is basically what it comes down to:

    Maura would not have wanted to be found or the person who committed the criminal act against her wouldn't have wanted her to be found.

    If you look at her background: Come on John... she was indeed smart enough to be able to disappear and conceal her whereabouts. She wasn't a dummy. You don't need to know her to know that. We have her educational background that tells us that.

    At the beginning of looking at this. I was convinced she had to be the victim of a crime.

    But when you look at all the facts leading up to this. The deceit, the crying, the things going on at home... it all is a very compelling argument for her walking off to do whatever.

    That is what makes this case a truly mysterious disappearance. James isn't selling psychic readings here. He's trying to continue to bring out as many details as he can to try and solve in hopes it leads to a resolution.

    To be honest with all the bs he's put up with. I hope his book on this case hits the New York Times Best Seller List and the next day some person from Poughkeepsie calls and says: "Hey, that woman is my neighbor!" and the public resolution is that she has been alive.





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    1. Anyone who has followed Renner's blog since the beginning knows that you should just scroll on past John Green's comments. He's a mess emotionally and almost brought this blog down when he took control while James was dealing with legal issues. All of his posts are still up--go look at the comments. He was a complete butthole to anyone who challenged him. Not the sign of a genius, in my opinion. I think people got suckered in by Green because like society as a whole, we are fools for those who seem intellectually superior and come off as authoritative.

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    2. Just because you're 'book smart' doesn't mean you can disappear forever and be able to conceal her identity for over ten years now. I know plenty of straight A students who could not disappear like you claim she has. Now maybe she actually was more than capable of disappearing without a trace, but I haven't seen any evidence that would suggest she would be able to. Her use of someone elses credit card doesn't suggest to me she is some master mind at using other identities like some people claim. All she did was pick a receipt up off the ground and use the number. A month after she got charged with the crime the fed. government made it illegal to print the full number on a receipt so I don't know how she would get a cc number now not to mention other ID/ documents.

      She would need to know how to get and maintain a new identity without detection but, as you kind of hinted at, in reality it probably isn't as hard as people may think. That being said, if that's what she did, she has done a pretty good job to stay hidden for ten years..

      That being said it is a tough case and I'm just not convinced she ran away.

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    3. Hans,
      I absolutely disagree with you calling Mr. Green a "butthole." How childish can you be? I appreciate everyone's approach to this mystery. You know why? because it's not about me, you or Mr. Green, it's about Maura Murray. I wouldn't want any one of us alienated. We're here for Maura. The more brains that come together on this case, the better. If I don't like a certain style or approach that someone comes here with - I ignore it. The way you complain about Mr. Green is akin to the movie Tombstone where everybody thought Kilmer's Holliday was being an ass, when in fact he wasn't, it was just his "style." So let's everyone of us back-off a minute, catch our breath, then come back together united in our journey to fine Maura.

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    4. Awww, please don't ruin my favorite movie for me. I LOVE Tombstone and Val Kilmer did an amazing job as Doc Holliday. He portrayed a man that was was a tortured soul, who was a criminal, and decent at the same time. I'm sorry to say, and I usually don't say mean things, but IMO John Green speaks to hear himself speak. I can only handle reading a handful of his posts and I need a break.

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  13. If you go back and track Greens comments, he has gone from being a big Renner cheerleader; almost agreeing with all of James' methods to now constantly complaining about what James is doing. I sense it's more personal. Possibly a crestfallen Green has not adjusted well to being on the outside of the online Maura Murray power players? Also, where's the proof you said you have John of Maura being seen in downtown Woodsville around midnight the evening of the crash? Remember? You wanted us to pay to see your proof...

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    1. Do you honestly disagree with John's assertion that it is highly unlikely she crossed into Canada from Oxford county. So why would Renner say the county borders Canada (a very small portion none the less)? To push his agenda? I think so.

      So if you're complaining about the bottom half of his comment for complaining about Renner (and you say because it's personal) fine. But saying Oxford county borders Canada and leaving it at that is very suggestive and simply is irrelevant. At least in the eyes of John and I. I can't imagine you find relevance in this case between Canada and Oxford county?

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  14. I'd like to see James participate more in the blog. It seems he has a history of throwing post out to the sharks and then lets the feeding frenzy begin. It seems it's his way of keeping interest in the blog so he can eventually sell more books. I have no problem with capitalism and trying to make money off an eventual book release. However you would get more followers and support if you would be more direct and follow up with the wild theories that don't pan out. If you say you are weeks away from finding her and it's been months since then, man up and come on here and say that angle didn't pan out and why. My gut tells me James doesn’t have a clue what happened to her or were she is at. I still say she committed suicide and her body is yet to be found. Drank too much an died from the elements.

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    1. I think suicide is the most unlikely. The reason is simple: the textbooks. If she was going up there to clear her head for a few days, I think she would have studied some. If she was fleeing to start a new life, they would have been worth a couple hundred bucks towards that effort. I don't know why she would bring them if she knew she was going to die in New Hampshire.

      It is possible that they were already in the car when she left from having traveled to clinicals but the probability of them being there is greater in the other two cases.

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  15. First of all, James has no obligation to reveal anything to anyone if he doesn't wish to. Second of all, why would he give up the potential ending when he is writing a book about the case? Clearly he is not going to do that so if you don't like what he posts here, don't come here. It's pretty simple.

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    1. Well said.....if you don't like what James posts then simply stop reading

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      I agree with you 100%. Now, let me stick my head out the door to check and see if hell, has indeed, frozen over....This is Renner's site, if no one likes it, create your own.

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  16. if there were no theories, thoughts, ideas none of us would be reading this blog. Let the sensationalism role in!

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  17. Question for James Renner:

    You ever file FOIA request for possible FBI file on Butch Atwood?

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  18. Not sure what people mean by being "smart" to be able to disappear. I can think of two girls around Maura's age who ran away and were found years alter. One in particular who was found working at a Sam's Club round 7 years later. Some of you might recall who I am talking about. She was even using her Name and SS#. I remember the police saying that they have no way of checking to see if someone is using it to work because the IRS are the only ones who can access that info. Whether or not this is true that's what the police had stated. When the police contacted her she declined to talk to her mother and family even after all those years. Yes Maura could be hiding in plain sight anywhere in the country and no one would have a clue. People change a lot from the age of 21 to 31. Facially she probably does not look at all like herself. Maura was always under weight because of her running. Probably the main reason for her bulimia. Add another 30 pounds plus 10 years and again you would never recognize her. I also know a girl who used her middle name as her first name and it literally was close to 20 years before I knew this. She simply did not like her first name. Even people where she worked didn't know her first name. Point being Maura could be using another name but still using her last name which is a very common name to begin with.

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  19. Just want to point out that the number of public roads crossing from Oxford County to Quebec is zero.

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  20. Does anyone know if her fingerprint off any of the items in her car have been run through AFIS? from what i understand AFIS has come a long way in 10 years to include some proffesions to fingerprint registration. And if somebody was helping her family members sending money sometimes you have to put a fingerprint on a western union check and postal money orders to cash them. Also it seems like she was on a roll in 2004 with alcohol related issues. Sometimes people with alcohol related issues have a high rate of recidivism in 10 years she may have had a brush with the law under an alias , got fingerprinted but if it was a minor charge they may have just finger printed her and not run a proper search criteria in the AFIS finger print system to include Canada or internationaly. Im sure her DNA is flagged. But running prints through AFIS on a schedule might produce leads. Just a thought and a question to ask when the last time they were ran, who ran them and what search criteria did they use.

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  21. Regarding the ME/QC border in Oxford County, I also agree that if she crossed into Canada, she wouldn't have done so on foot. Perhaps there was a reported sighting in that county? I have crossed the border by car at Coburn-Gore, which is in nearby Franklin County. Like many of the smaller border crossings in Maine/NH/VT and NY, back in 2004 one could cross fairly easily showing only basic ID (such as a driver's license), which would have not likely been logged. If Maura was indeed riding in tandem with someone, left with them in a vehicle with clean tags, they could have easily crossed into Canada without any hassle.

    Reinventing yourself in Quebec is a bit of a bigger challenge, and while not impossible, dealing with the cultural and linguistic barriers is much harder than one would think. The Eastern Townships or Montreal seems more likely than Quebec City (record store sighting), I would have to say. There is a geographical and historical connection between the Townships and Montreal, and more predominant English-speaking populations.

    Anyone else find it curious that Kathleen Murray relocated to Swanton, VT? That town is a stone's throw from the US/Canadian border, right between two of the heaviest-travelled crossings in Quebec: Champlain, NY (connects to I-87) to the West and Highgate Springs, VT to the East (connects to I-89 and passes through Burlington, VT, where Mura's MapQuest directions led, and eventually down to Lebanon, NH connecting with I-91). There are several secondary crossings at various points in between.

    Coincidence or connection?


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    1. Interesting aspect of Kathleen's adventures in Swanton, VT: Her (former?) boyfriend up there is a member of the highly controversial St. Francis Abenaki clan, a somewhat shadowy outfit that apparently wields quite a bit of power in the region. Probably unrelated, but certainly sounds like the type pf group that would have the wherewithal to establish Maura with a new identity either in VT or with the assistance of a related Canadian tribe.

      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2013/04/kathleen-murray-busted-for-growing-pot.html

      http://reinventedvermontabenaki.blogspot.com/

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    2. Why are you calling the Abenaki-tribe controversial? You may not like their political beliefs and values, but that hardly makes them ALL criminal...Also I do not know much about that particular tribe and their relations to other tribes, but the canadian Abenaki speak french and I doubt that there is much contact with the english speaking US-tribe in VT...The Wabanaki Confederacy was only recently revived...
      Also: why should the Abenaki help Maura with Identity-fraud...??? Native Americans are quite angry about white people posing/playing Natives and most reservations/reserves are quite poor and every major college campus has newer technological equipment...For a new identity card etc. I would go to an university town and not into a reserve...

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    3. This particular sect is indeed very controversial - just Google them or start at the link I provided. I'm not making any judgment either way just stating that there's a lot of debate and controversy concerning this small group's egitimacy and dealings. Not referring to all groups claiming "Abenaki" status - referring specifically to this group.

      Also, they don't live on a reservation that I know of - not sure where you got that idea. The point was in small town life and in remote areas where there's a group that's tightly knit - you can get things done through those kinds of networks and channels that are hard to accomplish without that kind of support network - a job without papers would be a simple example. Similar concept to Renners e earlier mention about an"underground railroad" type network among abused women.

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    4. The Canadian Abenakis live on a reserve in Quebec...http://cbodanak.com/EN_/index.html

      The Abenakis' in the US are scattered around New England and do not have a reservation, but Vermont gave them Tribal-Status in 2011...I doubt that the Vermont Tribe and the Canadian tribe communicate much or build some kind of network...But I could be wrong about that...

      In my opinion it would be easier to hide in the "open"...(Bigger university-cities with lots of incoming students.) Concealing your identity on a reservation/ among the Amish or in the French part of Canada would be more difficult... You are immediately visible as an outsider not belonging to the close knit-community...

      An "underground railroad" network of abused women is an interesting idea and they do exist, but I am not sure that Maura was in contact with such a group..She certainly was emotionally manipulated and abused by her family and maybe worse things happened to her, but would she seek help...???

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  22. This is an idea that just popped in my noggin and just want to get it out there and see what you guys think. I think that Maura and Billy's relationship was almost over, they both knew it. I think the infamous phone call that Thursday evening at her security job was from Billy, and they had both pretty much said as much, which is what had her so upset. When Fred came to town to visit, Maura had made up her mind that she did not want to continue with her nursing degree or her relationship with Billy, and needed to get away for a week to clear her head. This is why her dorm was packed up, because she did not intend on finishing her degree at UMASS but perhaps had not completely made up her mind yet, that's why her stuff stayed there yet packed up. I believe this is why she HAD to go speak with her father that Saturday night, lets face it she had "liquid courage" at that moment. Then the accident with Fred's brand new Toyota. I believe in the heat of the moment Fred was upset over the accident, who wouldn't be honestly. She lost her courage to tell him of her decision, as she had already disappointed him with the accident. The rest of the weekend was spent focusing on her getting reports, a rental car, etc. so now there's no time to tell him of her new plans. I know I have felt "I just need to get away" and I believe Maura chose Bartlett because it was special to her and felt she could get some answers she was searching for there.

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    1. Very plausible theory.

      I may be wrong but I thought the phone call she got at work on Thursday was from one of her sisters. I've always wondered what was said during that phone call.

      But that's not to say you theory didn't pan out. Certainly her and BIlly could have been having issues and the writing was on the wall that they would break up. Maybe the phone call with her sister was about billy?

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    2. There was a 10 pm phone call between Maura and one of her sisters, however there was a later phone call that is believed to be between Maura and Billy, the records were posted on the blog much earlier. I have been following this way too long haha.

      I believe this phone call to be the source of Maura's breakdown, not the earlier phone call as was reported.

      I just logically ask myself, what would cause someone to be in such an emotional state. Definitely a break up, or Billy saying they need a break, etc. Or even a terrible fight where Maura realizes it isn't going to work. I am not one of those that puts any stock in the Vasi angle, so I do not include that in my theories.

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    3. But during her break down she mouthed the words "my sister"...

      I always had the feeling that one of her sisters was in trouble or she realized something terrible had happened to both of them...

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    4. Her sister Julie had known Billy was cheating on her with Julie's friend. If I found that out on me about MY sister, I'm sure I would be catatonic for a while too.

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    5. I thought that Maura did know that already and Billy's cheating was the reason for their short break-up...

      The supervisor who found Maura, did know her quite well and never witnessed something like this before, therefore I doubt that Maura play-acted this...

      On message boards are a lot of different ideas:
      -Possible unwanted pregnancy of Maura (who was having sex with her sister's boyfriend as revenge and she found out...But would not explain Mauras meltdown very well and since no one even stated the name of the supposed boyfriend it was just one of those theories I read somewhere...Topix??? Websleuths??? ) Or her sister was pregnant/driving the car. I forget what that was actually about....(Very far fetched and probably impossible...)
      -realizing her sister was (sexually or physically) abused "as well"
      -sister herself was cheating on her boyfriend...(Ruled out because Julie was stationed somewhere else)

      Do we know if Kathleen was already drug addicted in 2004? Maybe she did not have enough money to pay a drug dealer back and this what sets all the following events into motion...(But I admit, that this scenario seems very unlikely...)

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  23. I have said this before, and I'll say it again. I'm a woman. I am capable of a lot of things when I want or need to be. If I decide for whatever reason that I want to leave work and the best way to do that is have a meltdown in the middle of the room, I can do that. Or I can have a conversation with someone at 11:00 am, and not find it to be worthy of a meltdown until 2 days later. I think it's strange that the common belief if that a phone call that she received at any point had to be the reason for this breakdown. As it has been described, this incident almost seems too dramatic to me. Like it was part of a bigger plan. Just my two cents.

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    1. I agree 100%. And just because she said it was her sister doesn't mean it was.... unless I am missing phone records that substantiate that? Seems to me like she had to exit work at a certain time and the only way to do that without being questioned is to make yourself appear so distraught and emotional that no one woudl question you. Especially a man....and I believe her boss was male. Most men just stand at a distance and throw kleenex at crying women! Every woman on the planet knows a man wont ask questions when they are hysterical. Trade secret. Sorry boys....

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    2. Especially a man....and I believe her boss was male.

      FWIW, the supervisor who was there the night Maura broke down was a woman.
      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/06/phone-call.html
      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/07/clarification-on-time-of-mauras.html
      http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2013/04/more-reasons-to-forget-vasi-connection.html

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    3. Thanks for clarifying Snap dragon :)

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  24. It's just my opinion that that's what happened. I'm a woman, but not an emotional one. The idea of pretending to have a meltdown is foreign to me, so it just never occurred to me is all. It definitely could have been an act. It just seems to me that so many things were happening in her life that it boiled over, and that phone call was one of them.

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    1. My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I apologize if you felt I was countering you.

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    2. Nah, I think our tones are misinterpreted online. I enjoy bouncing our ideas off of each other, I really enjoy that aspect of this blog. There are so many intelligent participants.

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  25. Sullivan County Dept. of Corrections probably has something to do with Lawrence James Moulton (1953-2007), who lived in Claremont for many years, had a criminal record, and served time in New Hampshire State Prison.

    Larry, as he was known, allegedly gave Fred Murray the bloody knife and allegedly indicated that his brother Claude Moulton, who was staying at the infamous A-frame house, was involved in the murder of Maura Murray.

    It's worth noting that a fellow named James Moulton is currently serving a couple of life sentences in Colorado for murder, one of which was committed in Hillsborough County, NH in the mid 1980's. Moulton shot the victim, a local dirtbag drug dealer and wife beater, in the head and then decapitated him. Moulton and the wife, Ann Durand, fled to Colorado, where Moulton later killed a store clerk before finally killing Durand's young daughter. Apparently, this was not enough to win Moulton a spot on Colorado's death row roster.

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  26. From "The Telegraph"
    (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19890306&id=cgEmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HfwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3665,2241567)
    March 6, 1989:

    "Moulton, who is about 36, was convicted of fatally shooting John Timothy Whalen of New Ipswich in December 1984, dumping the body in the woods, and returning the next day to cut off Whalen's head with a carving knife so the bullets couldn't be traced."

    Whalen... where have we heard that name before?

    James Moulton does not seem to be the brother of Larry and Claude (he is not mentioned in Larry's obituary: http://www.stringerfh.com/archived/lawrence_james_moulton.htm). Might he be a cousin.

    Also, it mentions that James Moulton killed Whalen while the two were driving to a drug deal and that Moulton removed the carpeting from his car to hide the blood stains.

    Maybe not directly related to Maura's disappearance but it sure has a similar ring to some of the "local dirtbag" theories.

    Great info, Swartz, keep it coming.

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    1. Or is he not mentioned in the obituary, because he is seen as a traitor/mole...?

      Was the rusty knife (he allegedly gave to Fred) ever forensically tested...?

      Were the Moultons still active in the local drug business???

      I have absolutely no foundation for this, but could it be that Maura was initially not trying to runaway, but her destination served a specific purpose...(Buying/selling drugs)

      It is far fetched and there is no evidence backing this. I just wonder why the Murray family still see the Brianna Maitland and Maura's case related..., after a connection was ruled out...Do they know something we don't ...???

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    2. I've always thought it was a possibility that the $4000 was to make a large drug buy and the deal went sour. It doesn't explain why she packed up her room - maybe she was planning on moving off campus? Speaking of off-campus I also think it's quite likely that she was not headed to Fred's motel when she crashed the Toyota but to a boyfriend who lived off campus - makes a lot more sense. Maybe she was planning on moving in with him and that's why she was all packed up. Maybe he was a drug dealer in town and he convinced Maura to get the money from Fred to front the drug buy. Fred may not have even known what the money was for.

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    3. @blogwesen: to clarify, it was Larry who gave the knife to Fred. It's his obituary so he is definitely mentioned :) He spent time in prison in NH and he was Claude's brother. Claude lived in the A Frame at the time of Maura's disappearance and was/is allegedly a person of interest in the case.

      James Moultin (who may be a cousin of Larry and Claude's) is the one who is not mentioned in Larry's obituary. He's the man who killed JT Whalen in NH and is in prison for other murders (including the murder of JT Whalen's toddler daughter) in CO.

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    4. They see a connection only in how it could potentially lead to an interstate crime which would then make a case for bringing in the FBI. I doubt any of them actually believe ANYTHING except what they think will get the FBI involved.

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    5. FBI can get involved in almost any case if they want to - an interstate connection may be sufficient but typically not necessary. All they have to do is categorize the goings-on as a form of organized crime or any other one of their 200+ enumerated missions related to violations of federal law. If taking a baseball bat to your neighbor's mailbox is a federal crime (it is), there's little they can't get involved in if they want to. Drugs not only violate federal law but they're also organized crime because of the distribution networks - no interstate connection necessary.

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    6. Yes, we(the rational, emotionally detached public) know that the FBI would get involved if they saw any small reason to do so if they wanted. I was responding from the family's perspective that if they can in any way show some connection to Brianna's case, they would have a better chance of drawing in the FBI using an interstate connection. It is obvious to me that the FBI sees no reason to get involved. I believe it was one FBI spokesperson, based in MA, that told Fred that the FBI needed to be invited by NHSP. I think it was a standard blow-off answer to make him go away but Fred uses the statement to continue to criticize NH and the NHSP. The family steadfastly maintains that NHSP was negligent and the simpler of minds tend to be his cheerleaders. In reality, Fred himself did the most damage by being so quick to criticize NHSP. He did it again with the group of volunteer investigators that wanted to help him. Now none of them want to help him, including the FBI.

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    7. The FBI was involved and called in 10 days after her disappearance , they interviewed many friends and different people of interest. Refer to the wikapedia site. Plus there has been so many missing people in 4 decades in that region it would be disingenous to think there is no case file from the FBI. But they were clearly involved and im sure its still on cold case radar.

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    8. Reference #19 , under search efforts on wikapedia site and varified by the Boston Globe listing the FBI agents name. I agree an interview with him would be interesting reading 10 years later.

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  28. Rochester PD and Kate M. working there...What was her function during her employment? Wasn't she a history major in Umass???

    Could she have been high enough up to look into Mauras files or was she monitored, because the PD shared the "runaway hypothesis" and thought Maura would probably contact Kate in some way....

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  29. Here's some more info on background of Claude Moulton, who was living at the infamous A-frame house when Maura Murray disappeared in 2004:

    -- Born in April 1962 in Bradford, Orange County, VT, which is right across river and Route 91 from Haverhill, NH.

    -- Son born in September 1978 in MA.

    -- Married in November 1978 in Bradford, VT, but was only 16 years old so his mother had to sign consent form.

    -- Brother Corey Moulton killed in drunken car wreck in August 1980 in Newbury, VT while trying to outrun police.

    -- Divorced in January 1981 in VT, at 19 years old.

    -- Charged with violation of abuse protection order in June 1993 in Orange County, VT. Pleaded innocent in July 1993 and was released on conditions. Changed his plea to guilty in September 1993 and was fined $100. Arrested in October 1993 on warrant after failing to appear in court in pay fine. He was 31 years old and living in Bradford, VT.

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  30. Someone please wake up James Renner!

    The woman Claude Moulton married in 1978 is named Tina Marie Caccavaro. Her mother, Jean Ellen Caccavaro, went missing in 1977 in the Monroe NH & Newbury, VT area. See this newspaper article and other Google links:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bQwUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BIsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7001,4152556&dq=caccavaro&hl=en

    Don't believe she was ever found. Chatter on this Cold Case board as late as 2009:

    http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?t=10323

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  31. Exeter NH would be within the radius of the Londonderry ping...

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  32. Exeter NH would be within the radius for the Londonderry cell tower ping

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