Tuesday, February 11, 2014

Open Question

Fred still insists the reason he came to UMass with $4,000 cash the weekend before Maura vanished was because he was going to buy her a car. Of course, they never did buy the car.

One thing he's never mentioned is what his plans were for the car Maura was driving, which was in his name. Neither he nor Maura had made an effort to put it up for sale. There was no For Sale sign in the window. He couldn't have used it for much of a trade-in, as, in his words it was "running on three cylinders." What was the plan, there, exactly?

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  1. Come on now.....grasping @ straws now aren't You.? Any car dealer would have taken the car in trade. Drive it in, tow it, pull it, push it here and we will give You money for it. Let's be serious now. There is no big issue here. No for sale sign means nothing. more than likely he was going to scrap it if He did not trade it. You DO NOT KNOW IF THE DEALERS THEY HAD TALKED TO WERE INTERESTED IN THE SATURN. This question is just another of Your methods to try and make Fred look bad.

    Give it up. Fred Murray is more of a Man than You will ever be.

    Do not delete this, let people see it.

    John

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    1. Hi John.

      I must say I agree with your analysis that the plans for the Saturn certainly do not heighten the mysteries around Fred's behavior, contradictions and obfuscations.

      However, your personal angle in denigrating Renner are pretty off base. Mind you, I have not agreed with some things he has done and said so. But you clearly either don't know the facts surrounding Fred's participation in the case or you are one of the "big four" trolls who have been trying to obfuscate discussion of Maura's case online for the last 10 years, using literally dozens of false online identities (nice picture by the way).

      As for Renner's methods to make Fred look bad, I think you have erroneously used the plural. There is only one method: say the disturbing stuff that Fred said and did.

      ~ John Green

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    2. Let's keep in mind about what Renner does. He is not a private detective who is doing work on this case pro bono. He is a journalist who is planning on writing a book. He want's to profit from this story. Not bashing him for that at all. It's just a fact. Plenty of people do it and it's interesting to hear all the pieces of the case.

      But.. that being said. It's been ten years and Renner needs to keep interest in the case. How does he do that. With 'stories' and creating 'suspects' by presenting the facts in a way that appear to point in one direction. (the direction he wants). Even though it's non fiction he certainly needs elements of fiction(drama, a good story, plot twists, etc.) to keep interest for his book. I'm not saying he's a bad person. You be the judge. I think he IS really interested in finding out what happened to MM. I'm sure he would love to be the one to crack the case. More books sold!

      He'll probably delete this but I want people reading this blog to keep that in mind. He benefits from making accusations. Easy to do when you accuse a guy who does not talk to you (he wont give you his defense).

      I would love to buy/ read this book b/c this case is very interesting. As long as it's done properly. I agree with the person above. Your grasping at straws on this one. Just b/c the car didn't have a for sale sign in it? That results in him being involved in her disappearance somehow? Really? It just feels like I'm reading a conspiracy theory website now with every minor detail meaning the father did it or was involved somehow.

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    3. Hi John,

      Not true…. At one time I drove an old beater of a car and wanted to trade it in for a new Nissan. The answer, no thank you, it's too old. The car actually ran nicely, but it was 9 years old and very outdated. The dealer wanted no part of it.

      With that said, I don't know if I believe that them not having a for sale sign in the car window has any bearing on Maura's disappearance at all. But, I do appreciate the opportunity to have questioned raised and watch posters minds go to work.

      Prayers for Maura after a decade away.

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  2. I may be missing why this would be an important point to nail down; getting rid of a running car in any condition in a college town should be easy, if he was shopping low end used car dealers they would have just taken it, otherwise craigslist would have made the car gone easily too;

    I would like to know if he can account for the disposition of the $4k cash that was not used that weekend to buy a car - deposit slip, bills paid in cash, etc; the amount always seemed wrong too - too little for a much newer car and too much for a cash deposit; the other odd thing was I believe he used an ATM while visiting that weekend to get the cash when they had not yet even found a car to buy

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  3. You can not remove $4000.00 from an ATM. Fred did not have that capability. The money was probably redeposited in His account. Too much for a cash deposit..? Why..? the more You put down the less the monthly car payment.

    I feel as though You are stating the $4K was for something else..?

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    1. There is much to suggest that it was. For one thing, Fred's statement to UMASS police is full of contradictions. This includes a bizarre story of selecting a used car, having $4,000 in his pocket, intending to buy it and somehow leaving the dealership without having bought it. Some of his apologists have tried to explain away this and other contradictions, but there has never been a satisfactory explanation. If this were an isolated incident in this history of Fred's behaviors and statements surrounding the the time of Maura's disappearance, that would be one thing. But it is not. Not at all. For one thing, I believe that a mountain of empirical information shows that he outright lied in saying to the UMASS police that he picked up Kate in a student lot on the Saturday night before the disappearance. For another thing, the bizarre circumstances of Maura driving his car to his hotel from her dorm very early Sunday morning have never been accounted for. No, clearly there was something going on in Maura's life that we do not know about, which Fred at least knows about or was directly involved in, which something set in motion the five strange days before her disappearance and her trip north on Monday.

      ~ John Green

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    2. "Fred's [UMass] statement ... is full of contradictions. This includes a [] story of selecting a used car, having $4,000 in his pocket, intending to buy it and [] leaving the dealership without having bought it."

      Did the Boston Magazine article change your view?

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  4. You can argue this the other way around, too. If the old car wasn't worth much, it wouldn't have been a priority for Fred to think about. He could have traded it in for a couple of hundred dollars, put it on Craigslist, or junked it. I don't think there's any inconsistency here.

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  5. Good Evening to all
    My name is Fabio, and I am writing form Italy.
    I came to this blog mostly because after reading "The man from Primrose Lane" I just wanted to know if the author wrote other books as well.
    Then I became much more than intrested in this sad story and in this blog too, as I think here the comments are more "open minded" than in other sites about her disappearence.
    I have a couple of question for all of you:

    1) What definitive proof do we have that Maura was really up there in NH? As far as i've read we only rely on a couple of cameras one at the ATM and the other at the liquor shop. No one ever has seen the images, that sounds very weird to me. Why? This would have been a piece of vital information for her research: what dress was she wearing? was she wearing an hat, a scarf, a pair of glasses? which color was her jacket? How potential witnesses could have recognized her on the basis of a picture taken months or years before? My opinion is that maybe the images or the videos weren't that clear themselves so useless for identification.
    The other witness was the bus driver, who recognized her from a picture some time later the events happened.
    The bus driver had health problem, one of them was diabethis, that i know for sure that cause sight problems. Plus, it was dark. If he talked to her inside his bus, his seat should have been lighted up by the inside lights, and she was standing outside in the dark. Not the better condition for a full view.
    What other certain proof do we have? DNA, hair, blood, fingerprints, other witness that saw her for certain along that route?
    I know that other students have seen her leave the UMASS, but this is not enough. She had much miles in front of her and we are missing a 30/45 mins in her time line.
    Has anyone ever thought that someone else could have been in that car?
    She (the doppleganger) inscenate the car accident, then her fellow helper was waiting for her behind the bus (not predicted) in his car, and as soon as the scene cleared up, he picked her up and ran away? In the meanwhile Maura was developing her "escape" in another direction.
    In my opinion this is the only way that could lead to her running away and not being caught by some bad guy up there.
    Has anyone searched for evidence that may lead in another direction?
    Usually a car accident is something that put at risk you plans for run away and hide yourself, so if she managed to complete her goal despite all means that she had ready a "plan B" and she was able to set it up in 10 min without even using a mobile phone.
    Weird...
    In other words, could the accident be something like smoke in the eyes of the people who are looking for her? That they never found her because she never had been in those places?

    2) on Facebook , on the Maura Murray Missing Group I've read something that creeped me up: many local people swear thad days after Maura's disappearance in the bus driver's home "a concrete basement was added to the house", and for week a company poured cement in that? Has anyone investigate on that? They said no, no one ever.
    I'm not here to start again the "the bus driver is the man" stuff, but i think the NH local police left huge holes during their researches.
    Maybe someone up there know something, but won't talk.
    Why? Well here in Italy we have good examples of this: go to Sicily and try to interview someone about a crime he or she should have witnessed....the reason is simple: fear.
    Who or what the people in that area could fear???

    I'm sorry for my english not being good as yours, but i hope you will have the patience for reading my post and share you thoughts with me.

    With love

    F

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    1. Hi Fabio.

      Thanks for your contribution. I wanted to address on matter. I think you are right that there is no concrete proof that Maura was driving the car that night. I have studied the timeline of known events, putting specific time ranges on each event based on the evidence. By my calculations, given what we know, Maura had between 9 and 33 minutes of slack time in her trip, meaning that from UMASS to the accident scene she had between 9 and 33 minutes to do something else.

      This raises a number of interesting possibilities, particularly when you consider the striking resemblance between Maura and her sister Kathleen at that time. I feel it is unlikely that Atwood could differentiate between the sisters, when recalling a meeting in the dark, which at the time would not have had any reason to make a deep impression on him. So there is really not much reason to conclude that Kathleen was not driving the car, other than the fact that she has never said she was. Moreover, somebody else with brown hair, not tied back, could have been and Atwood could easily have mistakenly believed it was Maura well after the accident.

      So, consider, she buys the booze and goes to the ATM. Perhaps with her slack time she went back to the dorm and Kathleen or another person took the car. For all we know, Maura's room could have been packed up AFTER her car was headed north. It is not possible to rule that out on the evidence.

      There are a lot of scenarios to consider once you open the door to the possibility that someone else was driving the car. I am not claiming it happened that way, but I don't see clear and convincing proof, in part because I believe that Maura was caught up in some kind of dynamic that her family knew about or was involved in that set in motion the entire five strange days in February 2004. I therefore treat with some skepticism their very often contradictory and strange statements about the case. There is no doubt this was a troubled family. I wonder if some of its troubles had created a scary problem for Maura and, while they may well miss her and love her and desperately want to know what happened to her, whatever that issue was or still is causes them to obfuscate issues.

      ~ John Green

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    3. Thank you for your reply.

      I totally agree with you.

      And, being a long-distance divorced father, some points in all the facts that happened shortly before she disappeared doesn't seems "normal" father and daughter issues.

      I have no doubt that she was trying to have some time off from her life and her family.
      And people that belongs to her family knows well the dynamics of the Fred/Maura relationship and maybe they are all pretty sure too.

      The thing is: did she succeded to build another life in another place or something went wrong?

      If she actually was in that car in NH and the accident was not inscenated, I think there are a lot of chances that something went wrong. The time between the crash and her disappearence is too short, there were no mobile network reception and she was too shaken to set up promptly a "plan B".

      The only chance for her plan is that she wasn't there that night and she did everything from Amherst. (and I strongly hope that)

      This, of course, in my humble opinion.

      And what do you think about the statements of local resident in Maura Murray Missing FB Group?

      Don't you think that there could some sort of relevance here?

      I personally found weird that no one ever looked into some unexpected works on a basement just in front to where only few days earlier a girl misteriously disappeared.

      Best Regards

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    4. I agree with Fabio and John G.... my question is, as a Mother myself... what is the significance of her Mother being so Silent on her Daughter's disappearance?... I am Serious. I don't care what health issues I faced, and maybe just Because of those health issues, I would be knocking down every f^(#!$% wall or person who interfered with finding my daughter... WHERE WAS HER MOTHER IN ALL OF THIS....

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    5. Maybe Maura went to Canada for a bit, the circled back to be with her mother.

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  6. Rt 91 is a very hilly drive along with a gradual incline. If Mauras car was running on 3 cyl then I am sure that her speed was slower than norm.

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    1. I still wonder if Maura drove up using the roads that run parallel to the interstate. It would fit in with the timeline much more neatly.

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    2. I don't. I think she would lose much more than 33 minutes taking 5,12A and or 10 rather than 91.

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  7. Fable-hello! Your English is fantastic-better than most Americans! Welcome! Bien venido!

    I believe she was in the car on the drive up-with her birth control pills (hell no those don't leave their owner's sight!), stuffed monkey joseph etc.

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    1. FABIO stupid auto-correct lol

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    2. Thank you JLB!!!!

      everything is possible, but i fear that if she was really in the car something bad happened and it happened just over there.

      never in my life i wanted to be proofen wrong so badly

      Regards

      F

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    3. Was that really the stuffed monkeys name?

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  8. I dont get what this has to do with anything. Why would they put a car up for sale if they werent 100% they would get a new one. James you are getting close to the rabbit hole, sure you can focus on Fred but this is just silly in my opinion.

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  9. The most interesting thing to me; is i read that she took pictures and posters off her dorm room walls and it looked pretty clear she packed her dorm room in a manner which looked like she is never coming back. I think Mr Murray gets a little bit of a bad rap, and may not be winnn any father of the year awards ; and quite possibly be the reason why she might of been trying to ditch out for the weekend or for good. But his numerous trips everyweekend to the area and his trespassing in backyards weeks after , and his frustrations with local law enforcement seem way to elaborate and over the top for anyone. There is definetley something wrong with father daughter relashionship but all avenues need to be looked at. But there is so much overwhelming things that look like she did walk away. And being a victim of a crime of opportunity thecodds are so astronomical although possible just doesnt seem plausable. And who says the FBI is not involved? there are a lot of missing people in that region over 2 decades that i find it hard to believe its not on their radar it just might not be active. Still one of the most bizzare cold cases because your inner voice tells you their is a conclusion coming.

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    1. jjholy... yep.... i feel it too... and i fear the end will be very anticlimactic...

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  10. Oh boy, I'm about to ruffle the tender feathers of the Fred supporters...oh well.
    I believe - until better evidence is presented--that Fred is a viable suspect in this case. There are too many looming issues that have never been addressed and probably never will be, until good ol' Fred decides to do a real interview instead of hitting softballs thrown by Boston/New Hampshire media. For example:
    A drunken Fred awakens in his hotel room by a call from the front desk saying his daughter is passed out in the lobby. Once he shuffles her off to his room, he finds out she has just wrecked his shiny new car. Could a boozed up Fred smacked Maura around? Maybe. Maybe not. There's no proof either way. So, all things being equal, we can't entirely rule out that possibility. Could he have verbally assaulted her? Maybe. Maybe not. But, we have good evidence from various sources on this blog that Mr. Murray wasn't exactly a perfect father. So.....how can rule out any possibility that either of these two scenarios occurred?
    The ATM photo. Why oh why was that not released to the public? Out of all the missing persons cases I've seen or heard of, this is the only one I've came across that the very last picture of the person has been kept under wraps. Why? This question never recieves a good answer- just a lot of hand waving. Why would the police keep this from the public, knowing it showed what she was wearing and how she looked the day she vanished? The only thing I can come up with is it shows something the police are holding for evidence against someone. But who? Who was the last person she saw? Who was she with over the weekend? We know Fred happened to come down the exact weekend before she went missing. Where's there's smoke....
    Maura, per Fred, was supposed to call Fred at 8pm the night she disappeared. We know she had the accident in NH and that she left for somewhere before 8pm. Did Fred make any attempt to call her phone? Her dorm phone? Her college? Her friends? Her classmates with whom she did her clinical work? Other family members to see if they had heard from her? What about the police in Amherst? I'm a father. I know if my daughter was supposed to call me at 8, and she didn't, I'd get concerned. If I didn't hear from her by 9, I'd be in full panic mode. Who wouldn't? There's no proof Fred called anyone. Of course, we'd need to see his phone records, but, someone at UMass or the Police in Amherst should've had some recollection of a distraught father calling to check on his daughter. There's no proof of that.
    Finally, the point made by Mason in a previous post. Fred's long drive to Haverhill to begin the search for Maura. Did he call UMass to see if Maura was there? Call her dorm phone? Did he call her friends? Did he stop by UMass to check and see if she happened to be there; he supposedly has no idea what occurred, so from his point of view, she could be on campus. 4 hours is a mighty long drive. A lot of time to think. There's no proof anywhere of what Fred did during that 4 hour drive. And, there's no proof of what he did on the Sunday or Monday after the accident in Amherst. I'm not saying he did anything. I'm saying he could've, and until these issues are addressed, he is a viable suspect and should be to any objective observer.

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    1. I've been doing a Fred v Renner mental flip flop for a few months now. I made excuses for Fred's behavior, based on the fact that after 10 years you'd have to move on with your life. However, reading all these things about how he behaved in the days following the accident, I have to lean more in favor of Renner, even though I think he's reaching in some ways. If Fred had nothing to do with Maura's disappearance, he needs to stop talking about it and maybe just let other family members take on that roll. He didn't say the right things 10 years ago, and he still isn't. He makes it easy to suspect wrongdoing.

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    2. I'd like to see someone who does body language analysis view some of Fred's clips. The constant looking down and the lack of eye contact with the interviewer is suspicious.

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    3. Well my amateur statement analysis indicates that he is being deceptive.

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    4. I have a lot of your same questions, Hans Strudle. From the very first time I heard about this case on Disappeared I have wondered why he never tried to call her when she missed their call time that evening. It doesn't seem like that has been addressed much in the investigation (that we know, so who knows.) I don't know if I think that Fred had something to do with Maura's disappearance, but something is off here.

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    5. I think he is just one of those people who have only two states of mind, "ON" and "OFF".
      Now he is on the "ON" state, and he isn't able to quit his effort in investigation otherwise he will fall forever in the "OFF" mode.
      Maybe , again, maybe he wasn't reachable and didn't call Maura at that time because he was in the "OFF" state at that time (booze??)
      In other words, I think he IS responsible for Maura's attempt to run away from her life but i'm not sure he did something to her, not at least that day.

      Regards,


      F

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    6. Just because you may panic and call everyone you daughter had contact with because she didn't call by an hour after she was supposed to doesn't mean every father would. I know lots of parents wouldn't think anything of it really. Doesn't make them horrible parents. Maybe she got busy doing something else and he was doing something else as well. Then he would try calling her the next day if hadn't heard from her by then. Nothing suspicious about not trying to call her that night IMO. Yours is obviously different though.

      Now if he hand't heard from her for a few days after he was supposed and did nothing about it, then that is way more suspicious.




      Also, if he really was involved in the disappearance, why would he go to the NH supreme court to try and get documents about the case released? Why would you do that if you were involved in someones disappearance?

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    7. A friend of Mauras a Meghan Sawyer had stated one of the reasons Maura got in trouble was a drunk party at a hotel by a parent. History does repeat itself, sometimes. Having said that, it would make sense that the few days before she disappeared they had a party, not in a dorm but in Freds hotel. This wpuld explain alot.

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  11. I would say, that not selling the Saturn or having a set plan for it wouldn't prove anything. I feel it is really reaching to suggest that the lack of a known plan for one car, proves that there was no plan to purchase another. Short of saying he used the 4k to pay to have her killed (which no one is saying, to be clear) Speculation about the money could go on and on forever with the known details, which is only that he claims to have had 4k on him that he took out of several atm's over several days, (according to him). We actually have no evidence that any of that is even true, though he'd have no reason to mention it if it wasn't. The question is WHAT DID HE DO WITH IT AFTER? was it redeposited? was it spent on the search? If he isn't a suspect this info will likely not be known, or potentially doesn't matter. There simply isn't enough reliable information regarding the 4k as a "clue"

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  12. Fred Murray was working on Feb 9th 2004. LE has confirmed this.

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    1. Proof of this, please? I'll gladly drop it from my concerns if you can show me evidence. Far as I know, James has asked for proof of this in the past and has received nothing.

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    2. Pretty sure this was police-confirmed, in which we would not have access to it, just like the other locked up files. Just because an author writing a book demands something from the police department, doesn't mean they have to comply.

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    3. If It was locked up, how can it be confirmed? Topix rumors? I've poured through all available files and posts on this blog and others, and I haven't seen this confirmed. If you assert this without any evidence, I can freely reject it.
      You're right that an author can't get access to certain files. But, James has sat with LE and the PI's who were closer than anyone to this case and still posed this question on this blog sometime last year. If anyone asserts Fred has confirmed this, then I fully reject it; his lies and confusion has put all of his assertions in doubt, to me.

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    4. You can clearly tell FM wasn't at work based on his statement to police as well as his many interviews and articles, it's never once been mentioned. He was confirmed to be at work the next morning, I believe it was morning . My question then would be: what kind of parent has a child tragically go missing and proceeds to go to work the next morning? I don't know about y'all but I'm sure many employers would allow you to take a day off possibly even paid in this situation, so why did he get up and go to work like nothing had happened?

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    5. MrsForman... you are so very right in your statement... as a Mother, no stone would go unturned, no second would slip by, without the World knowing I was looking for my child...

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    6. Didn't he not find out about the accident until the afternoon/ evening of the 10th(the day after)

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  13. I'm still confused as to how she would be maintaining some sort of ID in Canada. She may have gotten in without a passport, but she'd need some sort of identification at some point. Canada and US talk, as far as missing persons go, so there's no way she's running around as Maura Murray when I'm fairly certain the US has flagged her.

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    1. Why would they flag her, people have the right to disappear, not only that she wouldve already been in Canada before they realised she was missing. Easy Peasy

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  14. Fake id from college? Fairly available I would say.

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    1. JWB-a fake ID from a US college is not going to let someone stay in a foreign country for this long. Anything she did there, rent, work, et cetera, she would need proof of Canadian citizenship or a valid working licence.

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    2. Perhaps she isn't using an id very much? Nannies, housekeepers aren't always paid on the books. I can't remember the name, but I remember seeing one Disappeared where the missing woman was living across the country and working as a live-in nanny. We also know with her credit card theft that she was capable of identity fraud on some level. Anywho, just possibilities of how to maintain an ID.

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    3. If you have proof that your life is in I'm deviate danger, the social security administration will issues you a new identification- name and SSN included. I did a google search for another question on this forum and found that info on the ssa website directly. You can also chose to have the files sealed if you've assumed a new life. However, in the event of a missing person such as MM they would have let LE know that she's alive and well and wishes to not be found/located just so that the search doesn't continue at the cost of the government. Hope this helps.

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    4. I think JWB meant that it would be fairly easy to obtain good fake ID on a college campus. Not try to travel internationally on a college ID.

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    5. Ahh. I see, but have to disagree. My college made me provide ID and sat and looked me up to make sure I was actually an active student.

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    6. No...he means that sometimes, if you are underage, you can get a fake ID. As in...actually fake. Some people (commonly college students) make fake
      ID's and sell them to underage students as a way to make money. You can get in trouble for doing it, but it happens quite often.

      So, Maura could have had a fake ID at college, but she also could have went to Canada and gotten a fake ID there. That would still cause issues with jobs and healthcare, but who knows what happened?

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    7. Or she made it to Canada had 4000 to live for a while. Went to a cemetary looked up a female about her age, requested a new birth certificate and reports losing her social insurance card, issued a new one then takes those documents to get a provincial id, not as hard as you think.

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  15. Getting bored with this blog. James posts routinely then doesn't engage in any of the doalogue or answer follow up questions. Taking a break for a while.

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  16. I hate to say it but why is this case such a mystery. She likely comitted suicide. The key reason behind my theory is that her dorm room was packed up before she left. She tasted a bit of failure after always being an overachiever with the credit card theft and car accidents. I believe she may have been considering suicide when she left Amherst and was drinking and driving when she got into another wreck and this probably put her over the edge. She seems like she was at a crossroad in life and did not have the tools to handle it. Why is everyone so scared to consider that she may have comitted suicide. Probably because it makes her family and friends feel responsible for it which is not the case. It does not make her a bad person. She can still be remembered for the person she was.

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    1. Her actions seem inconsistent with this theory. Her emails said she would be gone for a week. She locked the Saturn and hid evidence that she had been drinking (she hid the bottle after emptying its contents).

      Each of these actions suggests that she wished to prevent unpleasant consequences in the future. If she believed that there would be no future, what would the point be?

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    2. AS a person who grew up with a dominating Father, I can say, out of misplaced Guilt, I would have tried to cover up my suicide so that my "loved ones" would not be blamed... Suicide is not the action of a Rational person...

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  17. I agree Brian, but where is her body?

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  18. He may be telling the truth.

    Assuming that he's not, he may have been withdrawing the money to pay the outstanding taxes on his home.

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    1. If he was about to lose his home how did he had 4k$ wouldn't a normal person pay any extra cash towards the taxes as they got it to prevent interest fees, instead of "saving" it up? If he had 4k to pay for a car and was driving a nice new car he shouldn't have been losing his home which he was as documented. Also, I believe he did still lose the home/move, I can't remember.

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  19. The car is central to this mystery, it seems. I for one am far from convinced that her Saturn was in as bad shape as they say in retrospect. I think she may have hit Vasi and that's why they wanted to get rid of the car. They would trade vehicles, Fred would drive the Saturn back to Connecticut, Maura would hold onto his Toyota for a bit, then Fred would buy Maura a new car after he junked the Saturn to get rid of the evidence. Something went awry with the plan. Did Maura double-cross Fred? Possibly. Was crashing the Toyota part of the plan or the impetus for the plan's unraveling? If it was part of the plan, was it part of THEIR plan or just Maura's? So many different ways this could all fit. One thing I am pretty sure of, however, is that Maura disappeared with the $4000 on her.

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    1. If Maura had struck Vasi, then why would she have wanted to leave the Saturn for police to collect as evidence?

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    2. Jack, my gut tells me you are so very close to the truth... "Something went awry with the plan..." I fear this will be the shocking truth to the end of this story...

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  20. The car was inspected just the previous October. It must have passed inspection for Maura to be driving it in Feb. Who determined the Saturn was firing on 3 cyl between October and February? If it is an auto shop then they could answer these questions.

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    1. jwb... when i have my car inspected, they check stupid little things like does the horn work, headlights, turn signals, etc.... they do NOT check to see if it actually Runs...

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    2. We have emissions testing in NH and Mass and it would have failed if it were tested. I am not sure if they had emissions testing in Mass in 2004.

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  21. Failed if running on 3 cyl and blowing smoke that is.

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  22. Ok, Based on some checking, it looks like Emissions were required in 2003 and Mauras car 1999 was required to have it done.If anyone knows different it would be helpful thanks.

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  23. This entire post james wrote about having money and buying a car is a complete waste of a read..... of course they were looking for cars and the saturn was on its last leg. So dumb..guess hes got nothing better....reaching once AGAIN.

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    1. Agree on that but he is trying to get to the bottom of " Were they trying to buy a car" Her friends were unaware of the car shopping so what is up with that?

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