Monday, March 31, 2014

Down the Rabbit Hole, Again...


I'm guessing this is a long shot, but I'm going to post out of an abundance of caution.

After a day that saw Maura Murray Facebook page moderator, Troy Killman, quickly deleting his sock-puppet accounts, an astute reader found this video of a flash mob which "Killman" posted to YouTube.

There is a woman who appears in the video whom some believe resembles Maura, or what she may look like a little older/heavier.

What do you think?

54 comments:

  1. Definitely not her and PLEASE let's not do this again. Last time this for very ugly.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That isn't very nice. Unabashedly I say she's quite a beautiful young lady as always she was.

      ~ Cool

      Delete
    2. LL Cool Green I read your last comment in a Yoda voice lol Also, no that is not Maura. There is a great profile pic of her on one of the websites. She had a decidedly smaller nose!

      Delete
  2. Flash mobs are a colossal waste of time. Don't people have better things to do? The videographer must have been on crack, terrible video. I couldn't pick OJ out of this video. If you are referring to the woman with the bad hair cut, not a chance it is MM.

    ReplyDelete
  3. So James, what happened to we are weeks away from finding Maura from your post last year and trip to Canada? I don't recall you following up on the trip. Please give us insight in to why you made the claims? Is Canada a dead end?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Here here. James, you can't treat people who follow and support you with such blatant disrespect. Even I, once one of your staunchest supports, now have a lot of doubts about what you are doing, why and your methods.

      ~ John Green

      Delete
  4. I don't think it looks like Maura.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Well it could be her i guess, probably not. But im not really sure of the direction you are going with this Renner.

    ReplyDelete
  6. I think those bangs are very unfortunate. Did she lose a bet?

    ReplyDelete
  7. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  8. What an impressive resemblance. It really looks like Maura.

    ReplyDelete
  9. Doesn't this girl have a wedding ring on? Not sure of the significance, just think it should be noted. If Maura is still alive, I wonder why she would get married. It would either involve her lying to her husband continuously or implicating him in a secret that could potentially bring public ridicule.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Or she did in fact leave that night with/meeting someone whom she later married.

      Delete
  10. This might be a better bet....but it is a trip to London Jimmy.

    The girl in this pix could be Maura. The girl in Your pix is not.

    The magic show is over Jimmy...

    Kelly Panton.......Coincidentally a friend of mines name.

    http://www.island-house.org.uk/about-us/who-s-who/

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. it looks like her but i found her on fb and in her pics almost all resemble Maura but its not her. your pic looks like her more than his anyway

      Delete
  11. It's not her. I'll give you that.

    But can you tell me what exactly you add to the 'search' -- if that's what it even is at this point -- by trolling here? What's in it for you to come and cause a stir like that? I'm totally serious and just curious.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Richard.....

      Is that question intended for me.

      Delete
    2. This comment has been removed by the author.

      Delete
    3. Ah, no. The original comment has been deleted.

      Delete
  12. Friends, we are setting up a Fundme account to raise money to help Jim get an eye exam and glasses. We will also be buying him new prescription sunglasses.

    There will be a collection jar placed at the entrance to each forum and chat room. PLEASE deposit what ya can to HELP this person with his progressive eye issues.

    If Ya don't have cash You can just leave old glasses in the bucket and maybe those will help.

    Even IF Ya don't like Jimmy.........THINK OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE HE IS STALKING.....in the so called mission to find Maura Murray.

    OK...let's get this party started.

    Who wants to go 1st...?

    ReplyDelete
  13. That's funny John. So what do you think happened to Maura? Did you know her personally? At least James is trying although I agree more screening should be done before posting stuff like this.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I did not know Maura.

      I feel She was abducted by a still unknown person somewhere else besides the WB corner. I feel this happened very close to where the Saturn was found. The Saturn was being towed by someone who said they would help Maura, the tow strap came disconnected at the corner. Thus the clipping of the snowbank in front of the Westmans house.

      Delete
    2. Interesting theory, how does that line up with BA seeing Maura at the scene of the accident?

      Delete
  14. I just checked your link John Smith. Kelly Panton does look like her! Thats crazy uncanny! How did you find that?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The girl in the pix has the same exact name as My friend Kelly who lives in KY. I was looking up My friend because I had heard she was getting married. And up popped this link in a google search.

      She does look like Maura though. A lot more than any of James look alikes.

      Delete
    2. She does look a lot like Maura! And I agree that the past few sightings have been super far fetched. But at least he is leaving no stone unturned right? Even in the face of all this ridicule he gets. I dont know, to me that tells me he really is interested in learning the truth. There is a term in investigation called a confirmation bias, which is when someone comes to a conclusion before they have all the facts, then they only look for the facts that support that conclusion. I think these last few posts of possible sightings or look alikes show that even if he was guilty of that in the past with the Murray family (which from what I can tell is what upsets you most about him) he doesnt seem to be doing that anymore. So that's progress right? :)

      Delete
    3. @chefsgirl - I have to disagree. I think much of the information these days doesn't compare with past information ie. her supervisor while at UMass. Nothing conclusive has been proved or even come close to proving that Maura is still alive. I'm not sure why these so called sightings in Canada, Georgia, Nevada and this latest location are considered credible when it's basically just a story. There's nothing of substance to them and they're quickly dropped until the next new sighting.

      The issue with Troy Killman is most likely a non issue and I hardly doubt that Helena Murray was duped. I go into a lot of detail on this in the article prior to this one.

      Delete
    4. @david w, I read your other post. I appreciate your perspective. I agree that these sightings are bordering on ridiculous. I believe that's the general concensus which is why James said "down the rabbit hole again." I was merely pointing out that these approaches are not targeting family members which is what seems to really incite anger on this blog. So in that regard....it's progress...as in moving away from posts that point fingers at the Murray clan. That's all I meant. I frankly dont see it as credible either but I do believe that injustices are done when conclusions are lept to and then only eeh leadds that support that conclusion are followed up on. For instance, if James wanted to make it out like Fred Murray murdered Maura, he wouldnt have posted these "leads." Do you see what I mean? Perhaps I am not explaining myself clearly! It's been known to happen :) It makes sense in my head and when it comes out of my mouth it's a no go lol

      Delete
    5. Kelly P. clearly has some % of Asian ancestry whereas Maura does not.

      Delete
  15. If I was Maura Murray not sure I would be doing flash mobs out of fear of being discovered?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

      Delete
  16. For what its worth, I think this woman looks more like Maura than the woman James looked at a few months back. Moreover, if you look at a candid pic of Maura that is not from straight on, you can see that when she is laughing or smiling, her chin has this concavity to it, a characteristic through which she resembles Fred. In that respect, this woman strongly resembles Maura. That said, however, my first/"blink" reaction was: not her, no way. As some others have commented, I am still perplexed by the now exclusive emphasis on leads that Maura is alive. Any lead, any tip, any clue, even those not consistent with other "Maura alive" theories is embraced. Some are a little forced, although I think this one was worth posting. This emphasis is based on zero evidence I have seen here or anywhere, other than cryptic comments by Renner - such as that he knew where she went, who she went with and was weeks from solving the case, a statement which he never followed up on and just left us dangling with after his poster hanging expedition in Quebec came to naught, showing tremendous disrespect for the people who have followed and supported him - which he never gave a factual basis for. In addition, there is nothing that rules out foul play, but that just seems ignored now. It feels like James has fallen in love with a romantic version of this case that possibly has as much to do with him as the case's facts and it is the singular lens through which he now views everything. As someone who once supported him, actively helped him and - upon meeting him, came to view him as a friend - that leaves me really disappointed.

    ~ John Green

    ReplyDelete
  17. Although after I watching the video it is interesting to note the woman keeps turning to avoid the camera....

    ReplyDelete
  18. For all the complaining about Renner's method in running this blog, the fact is that one of his detractors, in the midst of telling him what a jerk he is, just linked to a very remarkable likeness. I gather that's why Renner has this blog and why he keeps stirring the pot. It annoys the hell out of many people, but the process has resulted in several very interesting things floating to the top. Thanks to people like John Wolfman Smith, ironically, Renner's getting leads he would otherwise never come across.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. If i was a betting man, I'd say James keeps ol' Wolfman around because he's suspicious of him.

      Delete
    2. Well then He should have visited me while he was in NH. I invited Him for a chat but He never came through.

      All talk is His game....

      The offer is still open James....

      John

      Delete
    3. I understand what he's doing. Like you said he is stirring the pot to try and draw people out of the woodwork so to speak and try to develop leads. And sure these leads are interesting but have these ever panned out to much of anything. Does he follow up on these sighting or let us, the readers, know where these leads end up. I agree that string the pot can be a benefit at times but I feel it's only hurting the search now. Or at least not adding anything new or important to the search. I feel like he (James) is stooping to the level of the "trolls" who frequent this blog. And is almost becoming too involved or concerted with things that may be of very little relevance, if any, to Maura. I think everyone should take a deep breath, take a step back, take some time to clear their head, and then try to take a new/ fresh look at this case. I like the idea of the timeline that is based on facts. We (everyone who is intrigued by this case) should really try to focus on facts. I don't think much will change around here but I thought I'd share my thoughts that I have had for awhile. Carry on.

      Delete
  19. Another video of the same girl.

    http://youtu.be/GtSuxZJxcmo

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Posted by this guy Mark Hensley....Check out his video....!!!!!

      Chasing a female.....Scared.....Killed. Wow

      http://vimeo.com/61250065

      Delete
  20. I'm making an announcement I'm sure you'll enjoy later tonight on my official page: http://jamesrenner.com/?page_id=640

    ReplyDelete
  21. I think this woman looks like Maura. After 10 years, and possibly having a child or two, what woman doesn't look quite different than she did at 21?

    As far as her nose looking different, any Google search will confirm that noses (and ears) continue to grow as a person ages. I had a nose job 8 years ago to correct what I considered a long, pointy nose and if you compare pictures from the months after the surgery to today, it's clear my nose has changed shape yet again.

    Also, many women report their noses growing/swelling during pregnancy. This woman is quite a deal heavier than the track star Maura we've seen dozens of pictures of, but if she'd recently had a baby, that could explain some of the physical changes. (I've said before, I have the same round face and prominent chin as Maura, and if I gain more than 10lbs, the changes in my face are dramatic.)

    As far as the bangs go, short, blunt baby bangs were a HUGE trend a couple of years ago (Think Rooney Mara in "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo"). It looked awful on everyone, but most young women tried it. If Maura is alive and well, 10 years have passed, so she'd likely feel confident in living her new life, flash mobs and bad haircuts included.

    ReplyDelete
  22. I do not think this looks like her in the least. And I agree with the previous poster; if she ran away and was in hiding, why in the hell do a flash mob?? Doesn't make sense.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Maura doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would participate in a flash mob, not for fear of being found out, but more for lack of personality. Granted I don't know her personally, but nothing I've ever read about her leads me to believe she's the kind of fun girl who would even get into the whole thing. But that's just my opinion.

    ReplyDelete
  24. I agree, this does look like Maura. Very interesting.

    ReplyDelete
  25. What you need to do is find a clear picture of Maura hands and compare them. This person seems to have pretty flat nailbeds which I believe is not as common as curved.

    ReplyDelete