Monday, April 14, 2014

**UPDATED** Coordinates



This got caught in my spam folder for a couple days but someone using a program to obscure their true IP and email address sent me coordinates for a location in the White Mountains.

Depending on how you interpret the info, the coordinates lead to a small section off a hiking path, or half-way up the face of a mountain.

Probably a hoax, but, again, worth checking. Whoever sent this would like us to believe this is where Maura's body is located. So, it's either someone with knowledge of her death or a person with a sick and twisted agenda.

In the future, if you have a tip like this, please provide a photograph for verification.

** Editor's Note: It is still, as the locals say, "Winter in the Whites". Lots of snow left on the mountains. Only experienced hikers should venture there.**

***UPDATED***
Here's a report from a reader who volunteered to check out the coordinates over the weekend:

Sorry to take so long to get back to you, but the post hike beers won't drink themselves. Here's what I can tell you about the day. 
I enlisted three friends of mine from the Boston area, all of whom are experienced technical climbers, and a close work associate with a decade experience in digital topography. The three grads headed directly for the Sawyer River Road, to make the 7+ mile accent to the top of Carrigain, while my colleague and I headed for the closed Bear Notch Pass, to make a far less technical one and a half mile snowshoe trek to the second possible waypoint. 
The two of us were able to locate the Bear Notch Pass waypoint at about 10:40am and spent nearly two hours in the immediate area investigating any and all possible anomalies. The area is a logging area, and fairly open, but unfortunately we were hampered by the 24 to 36 inches of snow still remaining in the pass. We were able to locate nothing unusual. If there's something there, and it's not three or more feet in the air, it may take several weeks until we can find it with the current amount of snow on the ground. 
The Carrigain team had similar luck. They reached their waypoint at just after 12:30pm, and spent over an hour in the area. They reported snow at that elevation of between 36 and 48 inches, with some drifts even higher. Like us, nothing was evidently visible, and the ground has 100% snow coverage.
Everyone returned to the southern end of Crawford Notch safely by 7pm. 
We voted unanimously over dinner at the Truant Tavern in Woodstock, to come back in a few weeks, ideally with increased numbers, but until the snow melts I'm afraid there isn't much more we can do for you. It may be mid spring in the rest of the country, but the mountains have their own calendar. 

27 comments:

  1. Why do people do this? Don't they know this is a TRUE Case of a MISSING WOMAN?!! It's sad they treat it like it's some big joke...

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    1. If the emailer is joking, they're as sick as a murderer.

      It they're not, or if they have true insider info, AND aren't coming forward, they're scum.

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  2. What if it's not her body but some kind of trap in hopes of causing harm to Renner? It would be wonderful if this turn out to be something. Even if she is deceased the mystery will finally be solved and the Murray's will have their daughter and a sense of closure. I'm still baffled at how much hate people are showing that Renner has taken the role her family should be in by stopping at no means to find her or what happened.

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  3. If you go there, bring others. It could be a trap dude.

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  4. James, I put the coordinates in Google Search, and, if I'm not mistaken, it placed the coordinates right on Wilderness Trail. http://goo.gl/AmluF8

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    1. Sam put it into Google maps and it's half way up mount carrigan a hard climb during the summer even harder with snow on the ground

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  5. WTH-the-Original provided this link on Topix: http://acme.com/mapper2/?ll=44.10278,-71.45806&z=15&t=T&marker0=44.10278%2C-71.45806%2CN%2044%206%27%2010%22%20W%2071%2027%27%2029%22

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  6. This tip doesn't make any sense. If it was someone who wanted you to find out something about Maura, they wouldn't only give you coordinates. It's probably just someone looking to waste your time.

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  7. Probably hoax but still very very curious.

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  8. Isn't it 31miles from accident scene? Can't imagine she got there on her own. Doesn't fit the run away into mountains suicide theme unless she got a ride closer to the trail. Could fit a flee east from scene and picked up by the abductor who discarded at the coordinates. If I lived closer I would go check out.

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  9. Trap?- Doubtful
    False lead to expend your time and energy.- Almost definitely.
    Should you check it out?- Absolutely. It's the responsible thing to do.

    I think your decent good hearted readers are starting to see exactly what putting yourself out there to help find a missing woman can do. It can lead evil doers to play games at your expense.

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  10. Send the tip to the police then.

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  11. Big thumbs up to the volunteers.

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  12. Very cool! Put up some trap cameras!

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  13. Trap? I can appreciate the concern but think of the logistics of that for just a second: Somebody wants to "trap" (cause harm, what have you) to Renner or any of his blog followers and you think they are gonna post coordinates a 2+ hr hike into the woods? It is still winter for all intents and purposes, you think said person is camped out at the spot waiting for somebody with a nametag on that says "I read this on Renners blog and here I am". Give me a break.

    That said, never hike into remote areas alone if there is anyway at all you can avoid it. Social, political and other beliefs come in from here on out and thats not what this blog is about but I'm of the strong opinion that you should also be carrying a firearm anytime you venture into the hinterlands even more so if even the remotest expectation of potential "trouble". Others will disagree and thats fine, not looking to start that debate.

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  14. rayrummau@mailinator.com notice the name in the email kind of spells Maura Murray? I suppose this so called tip has to be investigated, you never know. Keep us posted on what you find when the snow thaws.
    Any serial murderers or psychologists on this blog? Do serial murders ever desire to have their victims found?

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    1. jabroni, I noticed what the users names spelled too. It was the first thing I noticed.

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  15. Sure, sometimes serial killers want their victims to be found. I don't think it's "common" but it's far from unheard-of.

    What I've never heard of though is hiding a body for 10 years and suddenly one day, while still at large, a killer deciding that it should be found. I would consider that extremely unusual.

    So, why would someone hypothetically suddenly decide this was a good idea? Take the exact words that Renner received in the email at face value: "stop looking". If something is found, I think the point of it would be some notion in the sender's mind that the discovery of whatever is at the site would influence people (Renner, police, whoever) to, as they said, "stop looking" for Maura. Maybe someone thinks there's too much heat on them as a result of this investigation, and "closing the book" on it, so to speak, in their mind might help to alleviate that heat.

    I don't think in reality that would be the end result, but people get desperate.

    If an actual body (or part of one) is found at one of these sites, this is almost definitely a one-time killer who is trying to stay in the clear, not a serial killer.

    If some item related to Maura is found (her backpack, for example), but a body is not, that would strongly suggest (at least to me) that she is still alive and whatever it is was planted by someone who is aware of that fact and is attempting to reinforce the notion that she is dead.

    To be clear, I also think it's extremely unlikely that a body will be found at either of these sites. How the hell would someone get it 7 miles up the side of a mountain? Or how could it sit in an open logging area for 10 years and not be discovered? The latter is far-fetched, and the former is basically impossible.

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  16. Psychopathic serial killers (not all psychopaths are violent and not all serial killers are psychopaths) often kill for the thrill of the cat and mouse game with investigators. They are narcissistic and their narcissism is usually what gets them caught. They want credit for their "work" so they leave and or offer clues. They get satisfaction from being of superior intelligence and outwitting police and yet they eventually get frustrated when their game is anticlimactic. Just one of the many puzzling nuances to the psychopath that empathetic, "normal", people like the rest of us dont understand. They often critcize investigators for not being able to figure out their clues....a perfect example would be the taunting letters from the zodiac killer. That being said, sending it from an email that is an anagram of Maura's name is a little cliche and unoriginal, which no calculating psychopathic serial killer strives to be, so my gut tells me that this is a dead end.

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    1. I agree. If someone killed Maura, he likely believes he got away with the perfect crime. 10 years have passed and people are still fascinated with Maura. Every mistep by LE, PIs, journalists, and armchair websleuths is a boost to his ego.

      I'm going from memory, but it seems activity like this email picks up when discusson starts to drift toward theories that Maura is still alive, or that a particular suspect killed her. This would enrage the real killer because someone else is getting credit for his work, OR be a good opportunity for someone who is obsessed with the case (but wasn't involved with whatever happened to Maura) to insert himself back into the game and hope people pay attention to him.

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  17. Wonder if the snow has melted. I'm still very curious about this lead. James, did you ever get any type of follow up from this email?

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  18. It would be nice to know something about the place and better search the area.

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  19. These coordinated are right off the desolation trail of Mt Carrigain. I find it really interesting because, even though most likely a hoax and soemone being a douche, these coordinates are very close to Bartlett NH-- a place Mauras family have vacationed to in the past. This is also a place Maura was trying to plan a trip to prior to leaving UMass-- she attempted to rent a condo. In terms of her report it was said she was heading eastbound most likely, and the route she was taking off of Highway 91 was probably the route most people would take from Western MA to get to Bartlett NH-- taking Interstate 91 and getting off to get on route 112 towards Bartlett. If we take the info provided by a man on his way home from Franconia.. he said he spotted a young person running on foot about 5 miles east of the crash site-- heading eastbound, the way she was heading in the car anyways. The coordinates you have been given are directly in between the crash site and Bartlett NH. I just find that very interesting. The distance between the coordinates and crash site was 38.25 kilometers. Distance between crash site and Bartlett NH with coordinates is 55 km. Id say this is attainable to achieve on foot if u wanted too. But im just thinking out loud.

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  20. did they ever go back when the snow melted?

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    1. the snow on that mountain won't melt until june most likely.

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