Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Nate Kibby

Having had a front-row seat for the craziness that was the Amanda Berry/Gina DeJesus/Michelle Knight story, I figured we'd never see such a thing again. And now comes this story of Nate Kibby, who has just been arraigned for kidnapping Abigail Hernandez. Whenever a boogeyman pops up in New Hampshire, everyone wants to know if he could be connected to the disappearance of Maura Murray.

I dunno.

We have yet to hear Abby's story. The way NH prosecutors are playing it, we probably won't know the details for weeks. There's a lot about this, the moves everyone's making (from Abby to the prosecutors to the FBI) that I simply don't understand. Did she know Kibby? Did she know where she was at? How did she return?

He was in Conway, though, which is a straight shot down Rt. 112 from where Maura was last seen, in 2004. Kibby would have been 24 at the time. It's interesting to note that he was in trouble last March for rear-ending a vehicle and then assaulting the driver.

If that's what happened in Maura's case, why didn't she head to a neighbor? Or accept Butch Atwood's ride? Certainly she would not have gone with the man who'd just bumped into her, forcing her off the road. If he put the rag in the tailpipe of her car, again we have to wonder why she would go with him and not Atwood.

I'd like to know where Kibby was in 2004. Where was he living? Where was he working?

If she crossed paths with this guy, Maura had astronomically bad luck.

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  1. It would be a huge leap to say the least unless he previously lived in another community. Gorham is just not close at all. I call it a no story.

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  2. He looks like he was probably hot 10 years ago. And Maura loved a hot guy. She'd be way more likely to go off with him over Butch.

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  4. This case truly disturbs me. The pictures of Hernandez taken prior to her return were those of a happy high school student. She aged years in those nine months and lost her innocence.

    I truly hope, for Maura's sake, that she did not fall victim to Kibby. That said, for obvious reasons, anyone who takes Maura's case seriously has good reason to consider Kibby.

    Let me add something to your suggestion re: a crash. Brianna Maitland.

    With respect to your question (where was Kibby in 2004), I spent hours trying to determine that last night. I came up with very little. Before he lived in the trailer park, in 2009, he lived in an apartment at 13 Exchange Street, Gorham, NH.

    I found that piece of information in a deed. Also, although he is listed as having lived in Milan, NH on some databases, that appears to be an error -- the two men who sold him his trailer lived in Milan and are listed, on those databases, as living at the same address as Kibby. Therefore, I believe that Kibby was erroneously connected to the Milan address.

    What I thought of doing is this: I would like to call the former landlord (at the address that I provided above) to determine the duration of his tenancy. Perhaps my conversation with him might lead to more information. Or would you like to do that, instead?

    Thanks for raising this question.

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  5. Also, he was working at E.M.M. Precision, Inc., in Center Conway, NH, as of his court appearance earlier this month. I wonder if his boss/co-workers would talk?
    http://www.emmprecision.com/machining-manufacturing.html

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  6. He was living in North Conway in October, 2004.

    http://www.conwaydailysun.com/opinion/letters/61404-nathaniel-kibby-10062004

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  7. Until we know more about the case it is a far fetched theory, that Nate Kibby was involved in Maura's or Brianna's disappearance...

    If you want to speculate, you have to keep in mind all the discrepancies in the Hernandez case:
    There is more to Abigail's story than just the abduction. Some describe her family-life as troubled and Kibby might have known Abigail before he abducted her. Either he just watched the family home or they had secret meetings and he convinced her into leaving. Abigail was allowed to write a letter to her family (highly unusual) and Abigail probably wasn't held captive the whole time. Her abductor trusted her.. She might or could have left earlier, but suffered from Stockholm-syndrome: Maybe she saw Kibby as a rapist and a father figure at the same time.

    (And for those who think the Stockholm-syndrome does not exist: You have to read about the Natascha Kampusch case. She was abducted, when she was ten years old and kept in a basement, but later lived with her kidnapper and slept in his bed. The motivation to leave was a fight over cooking a Zucchini. She even cried, when officers told her that her kidnapper committed suicide)

    Back to Abigail:

    The sketch from the suspected Kidnapper doesn't resemble Kibby at all...Even the eye color is wrong. So maybe she didn't want the police to find the right person, or was ambivalent about it. I find it very strange that she came back wearing the same clothes she had on the day when she went missing...Also she does not look that malnourished in the raw court room video released by the Boston globe. Was she found earlier than reported?

    So if Maura or Brianna were abducted by Kibby than he might have observed/known or met both girls. Could he have seen or spoke to Maura and her dad, when they were hiking? If Kibby abducted more than one girl, he certainly targeted girls with certain traits (family troubles etc.)..Kibby probably saw himself as a savior of young girls and not as an abductor/rapist...

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2014/07/29/raw-video-abby-hernandez-walks-into-court/vsXfsUzy9EDMVsHUQDfK1N/video.html?p1=Article_Related

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/380667/Will-we-ever-know-the-truth-about-kidnapped-Natashca-Kampusch

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    1. "[I}t is a far fetched theory[] that Nate Kibby was involved in Maura's or Brianna's disappearance... "

      Assuming that he, in fact, kidnapped and confined Hernandez, it is not at all "far-fetched" to consider him in connection with other brunette women or girls who went missing in New Hampshire or Vermont in the last ten years. It is reasonable to infer that he has committed similar acts in the past.

      I have seen nothing to suggest that Hernandez knew Kibby, that she was not confined for the entirety of her absence, or that she intentionally described Kibby inaccurately. Admittedly, I have not read everything about this case.

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    2. The case is quite unusual: 1) It is not common for a child to return after being missing for such a long time.
      2) The sketch:
      Abby described her abductor as overweight and only a few inches taller than herself. According to her: He was a large build, with darker skin and dark brown eyes, and black stubble facial hair. Kibby is the opposite of this description. So either there are two men involved in her abduction or she was giving a wrong description and I would never say „on purpose“. Probably she just needs time to trust anyone to talk about it freely or there are threats (in her mind or real) to talk about it or it is even more complicated and she may not completely realize, that she is a victim (Stockholm Syndrome...( Another thing I don't get is why her family dragged her into the courtroom and media spotlight. They should guard her and let her heal...) The family did not explain how she did show up again. Despite having a website and being very media friendly, since Abby came back, nothing is revealed. And according to the Boston globe: „Police were also looking for surveillance video from around Hernandez’s home and asked nearby residents to provide tapes to investigators from home surveillance systems in an effort to “gain answers to the many questions” in the case.“
      Abby couldn't have walked back to her family home on her own...Police still search witnesses who may have seen Abby return after she was dropped off on the same road where she was possibly abducted from all those months ago.
      Also it was revealed that sources close to the investigation said that Abby has so far not been able to tell officers any details or facts about her disappearance. So they are still in the dark about her knowing or not knowing her kidnapper. They are looking into social media, cell phone logs and there is also the question if Kibby was arrested during Abby's 9 month absence, due to drug charges...(So how could Abby survive during that time...The shipping container might be the holding space, but she also could have been living with her alleged captor...)
      But everyone is convinced that a crime has been committed because there is no way Abby could have fed herself and stayed hidden for nine months without some kind of adult involvement.

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      Yes , you should rule him out, but if he was involved in other missing person cases, than he might have a certain type (girls from troubled family's)/girls with certain traits etc...We just don't know, yet...Therefore, is Maura or Brianna fitting into that picture or not...? Did he observe or approach his victim or victims?

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  8. Just found this on an NH newspaper website; it is well worth reading:

    http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115548-kibby-was-rotten-to-the-core-according-to-former-classmate

    On the whole, it sounds like Mr. Kibby might be the type of guy who would relish the opportunity to abduct a stranded female motorist from the side of the road, especially if she had dark hair.

    Does that mean he was involved in Maura's disappearance? It's way too early to say. No evidence has been released that kidnapped or otherwise wrongfully detained other young women. He had a lengthy history (http://abcnews.go.com/US/abigail-hernandezs-alleged-kidnapper-arrested-missing/story?id=24756065) , most of it relatively petty, but is entirely possible that Abby Hernandez was somewhat of a first for him.

    I am also hesitant to officially declare that his involvement with Abby Hernandez was a kidnapping in the traditional sense of the word. There are a lot of loose ends in this case. Abby somehow managed to get a letter to her parents. There is no evidence the he held her for a ransom. The police sketch looks nothing like him.

    It's tough to say exactly what all that means. Police sketches are not always accurate and Abby might've been shook-up to the point that she did not review the sketch with adequate care. Maybe Kibby had an accomplice. Maybe Abby gave the police misleading information because, for reasons unknown, she wanted to protect Kibby. Could it be that she went with Kibby willingly and then things turned extremely bad? Again, it is just too early to draw an conclusions.

    Unfortunately, considering the secrecy of N.H. law enforcement, it might be impossible to ever even speculate one way or another with regard to Kibby's potential involvement with unsolved crimes against women.

    Even if Kibby were involved in Maura's disappearance, there is also a chance that he was smart enough to destroy any evidence linking him to it many years ago. I still hope they hook him up to a lie detector long enough to ask.

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    1. "On the whole, it sounds like Mr. Kibby might be the type of guy who would relish the opportunity to abduct a stranded female motorist from the side of the road, especially if she had dark hair.

      Does that mean he was involved in Maura's disappearance? It's way too early to say."

      That is my position, as well.

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    2. Exactly. I did not intend for my post to imply that I'm highly suspicious of Kibby. It seems like it could be interpreted that way and that's my fault for writing something in a hurry.

      I'm not saying it is likely that Kibby was involved with Maura's disappearance. We don't know enough to say one way or another. All I'm saying is that, at this point, I think it would be a little premature to completely discount him as a person of interest.

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    3. I wonder if there would be any way to get his phone records for that time period? You never know, what you might find.


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  9. The odds of Nate Kibby picking up Maura on Feb 9 2004 are slim to noneTo try and tie the brunette thing is absurd and laughable. It was dark for one and for #2 it is no where close to where this guy is from.

    Something new to talk about but I feel it is nothing more than that. Anyone that knows the area that Maura went missing knows that it is not an area of destination.

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    1. -- "To try and tie the brunette thing is absurd and laughable."

      "One of Kibby's former classmates, Randy Waldron, Class of 1999 at Kennett High, said[:] '[t]his has been a pattern for Nat for 20 years. He's been a sexual deviant — he ... always obsessed about girls with dark hair and drew them with their hands tied behind their backs.' [...]. 'It was always a dark haired girl and it was always in bondage,' [Waldron] said." http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115548-kibby-was-rotten-to-the-core-according-to-former-classmate

      -- "[Woodsville] it is no where close to where [Kibby] is from."

      Israel Keyes traveled 4,490 miles to kidnap (and ultimately murder) the Curriers. THAT is a long distance. Fifty miles (from Conway to Woodsville) is not.

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    2. I spent last week in the White Mountains region of NH, and since my cousin graduated with Maura from Whitman-Hanson, I have been interested in this case since it happened. I visited the crash site, and I agree with Samuel. In this area of NH, fifty miles is nothing. Where I live in Mass, everything is pretty close together, but the White Mountains are different; businesses are spread out and there is very little traffic. We stayed in Franconia and we could travel 50 miles in the time it would take me to get to Boston from my house (20 miles).

      I'm not saying these cases are connected, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

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  10. This is really getting ridiculous. I thought at one point, Maura was supposedly in Canada, starting a new life? Oh, I forgot, Maura was also into orgies, and according to one want to be profiler, that works at Verizon, Maura might have been molested.This new theory that Kibby is involved is laughable.

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  11. I don't think James is saying that there is any connection so lets give him a break and not connect Canada to Kibby etc... Some of the readers think it might be a story and that is ok but I am not in that camp.

    I think it is good to talk about everything etcc and to keep everything on the table but I really feel this is a long long stretch. For one I think the Abigail Hernandez story smells bad as in doesn't make sense such as description and lack of a story of how when and where.

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    1. Kibby is charged with kidnapping. Based on my cursory reading of NH law, kidnapping focuses on confinement, together with the defendant's intent to victimize, rather than the victimization, itself.

      This charge would make sense (as would the perceived lack of detail) if Abigail has been unable to discuss in detail her traumatic ordeal.

      The state of NH, of course, would not tell the media that its key witness is not (yet) competent to describe her ordeal. Because, then, Kibby might walk.

      That, JWB, would "smell bad."

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  12. I've been following Abigail's case over at Websleuths, and many posts mentioned an attempted abduction of two teenage girls in the area by a man driving a blue pickup truck. This was reported right after it happened, and before anyone knew anything about Kibby, or what happened to Abby.

    Kibby drives a blue pickup truck.

    Of course it is too early to know if Kibby is linked to Maura, or any other missing woman in the area, but I think it would be a mistake to completely dismiss the idea. Kibby is 34. He allegedly kept Abby in a soundproof storage container behind his home. I'd be willing to bet a 34 year old man who had already taken the time to set up an effective means to conceal a girl for at least 9 months, a girl everyone in the area was looking for, has probably honed his methods over the years.

    Most people wrote Abby off as another young runaway, or as a victim of foul play. The fact she was hidden away all this time makeswonder me how many other women have disappeared and been forgotten who may actually still be out there waiting for a chance to escape.

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    1. Ugh, the typos in my post are killing me, but I'm working on a Frankensteined laptop that does what it wants. I swear I can read and write.

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    2. Liz Vann, it's ok. What's odd is that my iPad does ok on most websites,but on blogspot websites it does terrible and I notice a lag when typing.

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    3. Liz, I think you make a good point about how Kibby's storage container might be representative of a criminal method which was developed over many years. Again, per my posts above, I am definitely not saying that I'm convinced Kibby had anything to do with Maura. I just think it is way too early to completely rule him out. What would the police have to lose by hooking him to a lie detector and asking him?

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  13. Another interesting story, this one on Kibby's shipping container:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711263/Investigators-dismantle-shipping-container-man-allegedly-kept-Abby-Hernandez-15-nine-months-remove-evidence-boxes-marked-Bio-hazard.html

    As a former resident of Northern NH, I highly doubt he was able to keep Abby in that container through the entire winter unless he had a heat source in it. There are usually at least a few cold snaps every winter where temperatures drop to -20 or colder for several nights in a row. Alternatively, he could've given her a cold weather sleeping bag. If Abby was kept in the container, whatever type of soundproofing he used must've been pretty incredible, to say the least. I realize this paragraph is highly tangential to Maura's disappearance, so I apologize in advance for straying off topic.

    On a more relevant note, it will be interesting to hear if police located evidence of any other crimes during their search of Kibby's property. It sure seems like they've collected quite a bit of evidence in general.

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  14. Although it is too early to tell. Nathan Kibby should be viewed as a person of interest in relation to Maura's vanishing. Hopefully he will be able to take a lie detector test which may reveal more insights. Just in reading these last few posts he does have a long and troubled past especially when it comes to women. Kepp up the good work James as the Wikipedia article does not have any of the details that you have been able to uncover

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  15. One thing I should have noted in my previous posts is that the police cannot force him to take a lie detector . . . total oversight on my part. It'd still be interesting to see how he responds if asked, even if he refuses.

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  16. The nature of Kibby's charge may shed some light on the circumstances surrounding the confinement and release of Hernandez.

    Kibby, it has been reported, was charged with a "Class B felony" -- a conviction carries a maximum sentence of seven years. [n. 1]. In New Hampshire, by statute, the offense of "[k]idnapping is a class A felony unless the actor voluntarily releases the victim without serious bodily injury and in a safe place prior to trial, in which case it is a class B felony." [n. 2]. Based on the statutory language, it would seem that prosecutors have reason to believe that Kibby "voluntarily" released Hernandez "in a safe place."

    This may bear on the issue of whether he kidnapped in the past.

    [n. 1]. http://www.smh.com.au/world/abby-hernandez-missing-for-9-months-faces-accused-kidnapper-nathaniel-kibby-in-court-20140730-zybxt.html#ixzz393iiM6FF
    [n. 2]. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxii/633/633-1.htm

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  17. I love how we go from she is alive and hiding from men who thought of her as a sex object back to the dirt bag from New Hampshire theory. I having lived in this area, studied the mind of people who choose to live in a place like this and the circumstances that led to MM disappearance; I guarantee that when the day this case is finally solved, it will have been a local or most likely locals who are responsible for this disappearance. Hope to God she is alive but there is very little chance. Fred is right on this one.

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    1. Matthew Lyons, I agree with you 100%.

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  19. What a creeper. Can't wait for a new topic so that his pic is not the first thing seen on this blog.

    Could be him, but just because there is finally a name and super-creepy face to put on an abduction theory does not mean this predator had anything to do with anything.
    Every postulation is as good as the next until its solved and everyone who participates on this blog is helping to create a discourse.

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  20. An article in today's Union Leader states that the Gorham, NH police "arrested [Kibby] several times between the late 1990s and 2003." That doesn't tell us much about where he was on February 9, 2004, the date of Maura's disappearance. Maybe he was living in Gorham. Maybe he was living in Conway, where he want to high school. Maybe he was living thousands of miles away. For all we know, he might've been in jail or recovering from a surgery.

    As a rough estimate, it is about a 1.5-1.75 hour drive from Swiftwater (town near where the accident involving Maura's car occurred) to Gorham. Same or a little bit less time from Swiftwater to Conway. It is a straight shot on 112 from the scene of Maura's accident to Conway on 112. Conversely, there is no "easy" way to get from Swiftwater to Gorham--e.g., it's the type of pain in the butt drive one tries to avoid if it's dark, snowy, icy, etc.

    Given that I suspect Maura's disappearance was the result of an opportunistic passer-by, I won't discount Kibby based on those distances alone. Assuming (key word) someone picked Maura up, it is impossible to say where they were going to or coming from.

    As jjholy points out, it would be great if some records existed which could be used to determine Kibby's probable whereabouts on the night of Maura's disappearance. Unfortunately, given that such records would be more than a decade old--and assuming Kibby didn't save anything--there would seem to be a reasonable chance that they have been destroyed as part of routine record destruction procedures used by credit card companies, etc.

    Obviously, the police should try to clear him. However, so doing may be difficult. There's a good chance Kibby will wind up like so many other individuals who Renner has discussed on this blog--an open question who cannot be linked to Maura through substantive evidence.

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    1. Here is a link to the Union Leader article referenced above: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140731/NEWS03/140809992

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  21. Wayne E. Kibby's father (Nathaniel E. Kibby's grandfather) was Elgin Vosburgh Kibby.He owned "Kibby Slopes," a now abandoned ski area in Conway. I wonder if this area has been searched. The link describes this abandoned ski area.
    http://www.nelsap.org/nh/snowpond.html

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    1. Correction: I should have typed "Concord," not "Conway."

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  22. Kibby's grandmother killed his grandfather and then herself:

    "Judith Kibby, 12, awoke at 6 a.m. Sunday aboard her family's anchored cabin cruiser in Lake Winnisquam and found both parents shot dead. Police said it was murder and suicide. The victims were Elgin V. Kibby, 51, of Concord, supervisor of New Hampshire state institutional farms, and his wife, Betty, 52. New Hampshire State Police said Mrs. Kibby apparently shot her husband through the right, side of the head with a .22 caliber pistol, then killed herself with another shot in the heart. The daughter apparently slept through the shooting, police said. Dr. A.J. Nadworthy, Belknap County associate medical examiner, estimated the shootings occurred between 11:30 p.m. and 12:30 a.m. The bodies were found on the cruiser's rear deck, the husband in a sleeping bag. Police said the pistol was found by Mrs. Kibby's side. The couple also leave two sons. James 25; and Wayne. 21."

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    1. Do you have a link to this story?

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    2. Looks like it happened in 1962 from what I can find so i am not sure what the point of it all is.Maybe Sam aka Joe can explain.

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    3. John: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/57297555/ (OCR text at bottom).

      JWB: The relevance, I think, is that it suggests a history of mental illness in his family as well as a history of gun-related violence in his family.

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    4. 52 years ago is a stretch and I don't find it relevant at all unless a connection to Maura is made, I am at a loss for words, It seems like sometimes it is just a show off as to who can Google info that seems interesting but when you really think about it it has nothing to do with the the disappearance of Maura Murray.

      I have always been an advocate of turning over every stone that is poss related to the case but there has been zero connection shown. and we don't even know if this guy is guilty of anything.

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    5. "[W]e don't even know if this guy is guilty of anything."

      You have this backwards. A guilty verdict follows an investigation.

      As to your opinion that there is no connection between Kibby and Maura, my opinion differs from yours. If I had to make a list of people to investigate in connection with her disappearance, he would absolutely be on that list.

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  23. jwb, Sam and I are not the same poster. I am open to criticism, but the implication in your post of 8/2/14 at 4:14 PM (that Sam and I are the same person) is incorrect.

    You are absolutely right, there has yet to be any connection shown between Kibby and Maura. That said, the search of his property was still ongoing as of a couple days ago, and it may take law enforcement awhile to determine if anything they've collected constitutes evidence of other crimes. Nobody who posts here has any idea whether Kibby was involved. He's innocent until proven guilty, and I respect that. Heck, I hope to never live in a country where things are the other way around.

    My only points are: 1) he should be scrutinized closely, and 2) it is way, way, way too early to tell what, if any, crimes he might have done in the past that were similar to Abby Hernandez's kidnapping. My thoughts would be the same about anyone else in the North Country who was: a) charged with a crime similar to Kibby's, b) subject to the very early stages of a police investigation, and c) might have been able to operate a car at the time of Maura's disappearance.

    Those criteria are representative of my "armchair detective" thoughts on Maura's disappearance. Criticize all you want, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't throw around baseless accusations that I'm posing as another poster or another poster is posing as me.

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    1. Do u have a picture of Wayne we could see?

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    1. Hey Dre. I'd like to hear more about all this. Can we do a phone interview? Thanks for reaching out! - James Renner You can send your number to: jameswrenner@gmail.com

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    1. -- Other than you, does Nathaniel have any siblings or step-siblings? If so, who are they?

      -- Am I correct to assume that your mother and Wayne Kibby parted ways? If so, when did they part ways and why did it happen?

      -- I mentioned an abandoned ski area owned by Nate's grandfather. Did he ever go there? Were there any other places where Nate (or Wayne) would go to hang out or when they wanted to be alone?

      -- Does anything about Maura Murray or her disappearance suggest, to you, the involvement of either Nate Kibby, Wayne Kibby, or both?

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    3. Thanks very much for the response. You should consider reaching out to James, if you haven't already. If what you say about Wayne and Nate is true, you might be able to help solve some of their crimes. Thanks again; I respect the way that you have looked out for your mother and sisters.

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  31. The half-brother: is he younger or older? Do you know his name?

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    1. Dre, I would like to thank you for your bravery, for speaking up about what you know. This could potentially be the beginning of solving other crimes these people may have been involved in. If that happens, you're a hero. In fact, you already are. God bless & stay safe.

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    4. Do either Nate or Wayne have any social media accounts? Do you know whether they still see each other on a regular basis?

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  34. Renner, you start to get a picture of the people I told you about a year ago? You still think MM made out this cold, dark, creep invested wooded community and is living somewhere in Canada? Not a chance.

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  35. Well apparently no one in New Hampshire is capable of witnessing a kidnapping at 3 in the afternoon, in broad daylight, right next to a very busy shopping center. Also, no one noticed Abby, who was wearing the same clothes she was wearing when she disappeared, walking home a couple weeks ago. I can only assume that Maura could have been in Bartlett or Conway for several days after the accident and that no one would recall seeing her.

    People do not recognize people they do not know beforehand, period.

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    1. Why do you think Nate let her go?

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    3. You know I was just thinking about that. Nate seems like an intelligent man. So, under the theory that he MIGHT be going to jail, he decides to release her. Okay, so now she is back and will be able to tell people who kidnapped her. The theory is that he was decent enough to want her to live. Well, under that scenario, he might as well have taken the risk of going to jail, and then told authorities that he had Abby and that they needed to go get her out of the storage container. Right?

      Oh yeah, one more thing. On the day that law enforcement released the sketch of the man who supposedly took Abby, Nate Kibby casually walked into the police department and they GAVE HIM HIS GUNS BACK. To me, that closes my theory that the sketch was just a red herring to keep Kibby complacent. I think Jane Young was actually telling the truth at the arraignment, and that they only knew about this guy 48 hours before they arrested him.

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    5. This is one of the most bizarre things I have seen. It is like reading a mystery novel when you know a big twist is coming. For some reason, Abigail lied about who her abductor was. Now, I can think of perfectly good reasons that still keep her 100% the victim. She could have been threatened enough to do pretty much anything, and I would not blame her.

      But as I have wondered, why did he just let her go? People say it "makes sense" because he might have been going to jail, but whether he released her or just told the cops that she was locked in a storage locker, the end result would be the same. He must have been the most confident kidnapper in history. He so confident that Abby would not tell on him, that he went to a police station four days later. BTW, this man had not had "good luck" when it came to being in legal trouble. It makes NO sense.

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    7. Yeah we'll see. This is SO strange. At this point I would not be surprised if this guy was a patsy. That is how strange all this has been.

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    8. "[If Kibby] was decent enough to want [Hernandez] to live ..., he might as well have taken the risk of going to jail, and then told authorities that he had Abby and that they needed to go get her out of the storage container. Right?"

      In New Hampshire, by statute, "[k]idnapping is a class A felony unless the actor voluntarily releases the victim without serious bodily injury and in a safe place prior to trial, in which case it is a class B felony." [n. 2]. While I do not know how the New Hampshire courts have construed the "voluntar[y] release[]" element, I am not at all certain that your scenario qualifies as a voluntary release into a safe place. If your scenario does not satisfy the voluntary release element, then, under your scenario, Kibby would have been charged with "class A" kidnapping, and not class B kidnapping, and, therefore, would face a greater maximum sentence.

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    9. Yeah, I guess. Something about that still seems "off" to me though. Is someone who kidnaps a girl and keeps her in a rape cave for 9 months really thinking that they are going to get a light sentence at all?

      It is simply not sitting right with me.

      The other thing that is really, really bothering me is that Abby did not give them the evidence they needed to arrest this guy until that Saturday or Sunday before his Monday arrest. Maybe she was just too terrified and so she made up the other guy in the sketch, but it is still seriously bothering me.

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    10. Hes not being charged with RAPE or even misdeameanor assault. He is being charged with the lowest classification of felonious abduction or holding someone against their will. Unless they upgraded the charge to RAPE so far there has been no mention of sexual assault.

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    11. Yeah it's weird. Apparently, this is the first man in history to kidnap a teenage girl for the purposes of having conversations with her.

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    12. Sometimes they start with the lowest charge to get leverage so they can offer a perp deals if they talk. My source tells me that is what is happening here. Kibby is not talking.
      My opinion here: Nate Kibby abducted a young woman from the roadside. Maura Murray disappeared from the side of the road. Should a then 24 yo Kibby be questioned in Maura's disappearance? YOU BET! I guarantee you Abigail Hernandez was not Kibby's first victim- rather his last.

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  38. I was watching the Disappeared episode last night and was reminded of the supposed "sighting" of the girl whispering "help me" who was with a man in his 60s.

    On the most basic level, "a man in his 60s" would be an accurate description of Wayne Kibby in 2004, yeah? Does anyone recall when or where that sighting took place? If it was mentioned on the show I missed it.

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    1. Cumberland Farms in Hillsboro, New Hampshire. "Gvmeabrk" (the woman who claims to have witnessed this) said, on Topix, not too long ago (but on a deleted thread) that she still reads up on this case daily. She will not, however, talk about the sighting, anymore.

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    2. Is there any more description than "a man in his 60s"?

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  39. http://news.yahoo.com/kidnapped-hampshire-teen-suffered-unspeakable-violence-lawyer-141857399.html

    This is more info about Nate K.

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  40. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711926/I-eyes-He-crazy-Woman-claims-viciously-attacked-Abby-Hernandez-alleged-kidnapper-locals-call-odd-ball-loner-obsessed-zombie-apocalypse.html

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