Sunday, January 11, 2015

Let's Take One Last Look at Who Maura Called Before She Disappeared **UPDATED**


Here is a screen grab of Maura Murray's last cell phone bill.

It's been posted before, but many years ago. If you feel like doing a little sleuthing, perhaps you can figure out who/where Maura was calling just before she disappeared.

The New City number is her boyfriend, but the others, I believe, have never been 100% identified.

I will edit this post with the results.

**UPDATE**
An anonymous sleuther from the Netherlands did an extensive investigation into these numbers a couple years ago and developed a more detailed list of Maura's final phone bill. Here is the pdf:



57 comments:

  1. The majority of the calls appear to be cell phone to cell phone or "mobile to mobile" with each caller having the same phone company (I believe it was mentioned Maura had Sprint) the other two for Hanover, MA and Amherst, MA are either landlines or a different cell company

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  2. Doesn't look like there was much time for sleeping

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  3. would be interesting to see billy's cell phone bill as well. think billy knew a bit more than he has stated. jmho

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    1. totally legitimate assessment. As a survivor of domestic violence, whenever I am reminded of the statistics I can't help but think about the fact that she left a printed email (I forget if it was to or from) the boyfriend. He was in OK but if he had contacts in NY , they were just a few hours from Maura. I think his involvement has been too easily written off because of his whereabouts at the time.

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  4. So the 4:37 call was the incoming Londonderry ping (not a voicemail check)?

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    1. i believe that was to her voicemail. billy @ 2:18 and then msg. @ 4:37

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    2. Which entry is the Londonderry ping? I believe it was an incoming call - does that mean it is not on this statement?

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    3. This 4:37 VM check was Maura calling to check her VM. VM, as many know, is not stored in your phone, it is stored on the carrier's server which requires the server to be contacted to receive the mail(a call is made, usually automatic). The way I understood the Londonderry ping, it was an incoming call attempt that did not connect. Had the Londonderry ping connected by Maura answering her phone, it would have shown up on her bill as "incoming". So it did not connect, but it could have left a VM and that could have been what she was checking for at 4:37 pm.

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    4. Makes sense, Bill. Thanks for clearing that up.

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  5. You could probablly check with Dominos Pizza to see what credit card number was used to pay for thoose pizza's.

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    1. Yes Domino's will for sure offer up credit card information of one of its customers to any old person who calls to ask about it....

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    2. Domnos Pizza i think has pretty good technology. They would probablly have transactions that come in around the time of thoose calls. If any of thoose transactions were reversed due to credit card dispute it would then be considered a bad recievable. Bad recievables i believe are considered in tax filings at end of year. Financials of dominos might be public and a bad recievable maybe criminal that they just never pursued. And knowing theres a missing girl involved they might be accomodating. its a stretch .....

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    3. I actually dont think she would be stupid enough to keep ordering pizza on probation on 2/9. You would need cell phone records around time she was caught.

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    4. No company like this with even a half-decent legal department would ever do something so stupid as to release private financial details of one of its customers.

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    5. Most businesses would be required to destroy such data by this point anyway (10 years later).

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    6. Not so, Jack. At my place of business we are required to keep records to 13 years.

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    7. Dominos even in 2004 used a modern POS system. For every CC transaction there POS system would assign a Order Number. ( So they could get delivery out in 30 minutes or less). So the time of the phone call would be pretty close to the order number on the ticket. All your lookng for is reversed disputed transactions that came back the next day. Its really pretty simple. If the store no longer has the records. For every POS debit there would be a credit. Even if the store no longer kept the records. Their bank and or CC processing company still probablly has it im.sure of it. I would bet their POS system does as well. And disputed returned debits would stand out. Its really not that complicated. Now would you need a court order probablly.

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    8. You must be in a pretty specialized business, Yuri. I don't doubt your situation, but in most lines of business, 13 years is a very long time to keep records (especially those such as credit card numbers on a restaurant delivery).

      In the past conservative accountants would tell everyone to hold on to everything basically as long as possible, but now best practice is to have a document (and data) destruction protocol that destroys records as soon as they are no longer required by law - because if you hold onto them longer than required and there is a data breach your liability is potentially more serious.

      See this article for a brief rundown: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-long-should-you-keep-business-records.html

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    9. Depending on the kind of business and jurisdiction, there are actually transaction record retention and destruction regulations, defining both how long a business must and the longest possible time it is permitted to maintain such records before destruction.

      ~ John Green

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    10. It's possible, but I think 9+ years is an awfully long time to be saving information about people who ordered pizzas.

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    11. Yes. Most corporations have a document retention policy these days to destroy documents and records once they are no longer legally liable to keep them. This is for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is so the company can answer a subpoena requesting 11 year-old credit card records with a definitive "We don't have that information."

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  6. I tossed out stuff while back but I also got a auto repair from granby mass area and. Family council atornney from somehere in that area though not amherst

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  7. That is from memory as I had it all written down but tossed it

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  8. It is really too bad that the only info we have of Maura's life is from just a few days before the accident. Personally I think this all started long before that weekend. I think that Maura managed to talk her father into getting $4,000 together for her, perhaps by telling him that she needed a retainer for a lawyer. It was that Thursday during the day that FM called Maura to let her know that he had gotten the money for her, and it is when she felt "ready" to put her plan into action. She faked the breakdown at work (note how after all this time no one can find the "upsetting phone" - there was none) so that her time off the following week would not raise any alarms. It was the set-up for the "death in the family " email.

    Did Fred not give her the money like she thought he would? Did she go back to the hotel in the middle of the night because she knew he was a heavy sleeper after drinking? Was her intention to get the money from him right then and there?

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  9. Hi everyone.

    I want to add an analytical note. Back when said sleuther was putting together this great piece of work, I was in contact with him and thought a lot about the significance of Maura's phone records.

    My conclusions follow. If someone wants to hear more of my reasoning, feel free to email me at john888green@gmail.com.

    [1] The call from Kathleen at 9:56 is not the call that upset her. LE seemed to suggest it was. It most likely wasn't, as I reasoned things out.

    [2] When LE said they knew who the call came from, but not why it upset it her, either (1) they were wrong (if they were suggesting it was the call from Kathleen, from Hanover), or (2) my point #3 is correct.

    [3] I can't prove this, but my reasoning leads me to it: Maura got a call on the desk phone (which could have come from inside or outside the university telephone system) which brought the upset. This happened after the call to "New City." This might be the call LE was talking about, a proposition supported by a fact pointed out herein by another poster; that without any subpoenas of any records, LE would have had access to call data from the UMASS system.

    [4] Two other less likely scenarios exists: (a) the news that upset Maura walked in the front door of Melville in the form of a visiting family member or friend, (b) the call to "New City" brought the upset, but if it did - based on a very detailed analysis of all available evidence consolidated into a timeline, which I did back in June of 2013 - it took about 39 minutes for Maura's upset to either appear or get noticed.

    A final note, and a very suggestive one, at risk of sounding like John Wolfman Flower not-really-a-detective Columbo Smith: at posted speed limits, it is a two hour drive between Hanover and UMASS. Make of that what you want. This last point relates to nothing more than musings and speculations of mine.

    ~ John Green

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    1. and the call to new city would be billy. so my point would be that call was the upsetting one. maybe billy had said something to Maura or vice versa that initiated the breakdown. did billy know more?

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    2. [5] There was no upsetting phone call. The whole thing was a little charade by Maura to get herself set up for taking off the next week. Note that Maura does not have an issue engaging in "dishonest" practices. She never explained what upset her to her supervisor - she simply went into "I am too upset to talk" mode, which is perfect if you want to look as distraught as you possibly can.

      I do not know what people find this hard to believe. Maura did not mind stealing things or lying about big things (a death in the family). So far, not one person has confirmed what the upsetting phone call was or who it was from. Maura made sure that she was upset enough for her supervisor to come over. Supposedly this otherwise private and introverted person had a very public meltdown.

      And apparently this thing was so upsetting that Maura had to be physically escorted to her room, but she was out partying just two nights later? I am not buying it.

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    3. why are you going after this flower guy if he is not being mean?

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    4. Good point Miss Understood. He's gone and not being obnoxious anymore. I am being the jerk now in resurrecting the issue. My apologies to the blog and to John, who surely is watching.

      ~ John Green

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    5. Hello, John
      I was wondering if you can expand your thoughts on point 3? I remember reading somewhere that a few people early on where speculating that the upsetting phone call had come from the Umass landline phone at her station. As I recall they couldn't figure out who called because it came from another phone on the Umass system and couldn't be traced. Or it was something as " the person was located and had since moved on" whatever that means.

      I don't know, but it seems like what ever got Maura so upset it was of a personal nature. So, I am theorizing that it was the call to Billy that did it. If for a moment we assume that Maura was pregnant. Maybe she was just feeling out Billy thoughts on having kids. Maybe due to Billy commitment to the military he wasn't interested in that. Maybe he said something to her without ever knowing that she was pregnant and didn't give it anymore thought. We will probably never know because Billy never made comments to the media. I am sure that Billy knew a lot more then he was letting on. From the phone records above it sure looks like they talked every day. Who better to share your most intimate thoughts with then your lover? I am sure Maura didn't tell her father everything that was going on with her life. It is still a father/daughter relationship, no matter how close they where.
      I would like to know whom the phone number was with the last four digits 9411 Amherst. Any idea's
      Boy it would be nice to know the call days and times for 148 thru 155 on the call log. According to the story line, Maura forgot her phone at Sara's dorm room and didn't get it back until Sunday afternoon at the art gallery.
      There sure looks like a lot of calls in that time frame for someone without a phone. Maybe Renner is right and the party story is bunk.

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    6. sure would be interesting to see billy's phone records as well. just to compare notes.

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    7. Hi Rose.

      I see the Logic of your argument but I don't agree. I am swayed by Karen's statement. I think it was too much to fake and undertaking such a ruse to get out of work an hour before your shift ends anyway seems unlikely.

      ~ John Green

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    8. Good point Miss Understood (re how interesting it would be to have Billy's phone records, or for that matter him stepping up and making a statement). I disagree with your seeming belief that the call was necessarily from Billy. What not from Julie. Renner said he verified this but did not explain. In my own process forward, I don't go with opinion, even his. If he knows it was Billy she should at least offer how he knows. I think it could have been Julie, which of course would lend possible new meaning to her utterance "my sister," while pointing at her phone. (Note, in the end, I think she was just explaining the rule violation to her supervisor, clinging to her halo amid the upset.)

      ~ John Green

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    9. Hi Steve.

      Thanks for your thoughts and recollections. I had forgotten that nugget of info, but you are right that was out there. If you find a link to it, I'd be happy to see it. You are right that that might cause me to reflect or revise my idea as expressed above.

      So, the short version of why I think the call came via desk phone is:

      (1) Otherwise about 39 minutes separates the upsetting call (if it was Billy or Julie in New City) or 2 hours does (if it was Kathleen) from the point at which Maura was observed to be upset, which can be estimated pretty well based on Karen's account of where she was and what happened.

      (2) LE said she "got" the call and they knew where it "came from." The New City call was outbound.

      (3) LE said they knew who she was talking to but not why she was upset, suggesting perhaps that it was the cll from Kathleen. But they would have needed to subpoena the Rausch's wireless account (Billy's mom got her the phone) to know it from her phone records. If I recall correctly, this statement that they knew where the call came from emerged fairly early in the investigation. On the other hand, if the call came from an on campus source through the desk phone, I am pretty sure an old fashioned campus pen register would say who the call came from. If it came in via an off campus number, the telephone company would have it, because even then almost every call had digital "header" information attached to it (which is why they sold caller IDs for a time, going back to the early 1990s).

      ~ John Green

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    10. Why do we even agree with the notion that a phone call upset her? Isn't that just an assumption based on her gesturing to her phone? She never expressly said she was upset about a phone call. Maybe a phone call had nothing to do with it.

      Maddening to try and piece together, as usual.

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    11. If LE knew who she was talking to but not why she was upset, then isn't there a strong implication that the caller refused to talk to LE? At least to the extent that the caller refused to discuss the contents of the call, right?

      Much like Yuri, I'm on the fence about a connection between a telephone call and Maura being upset.

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    12. Maura had talked to billy at around 9:19 over a few calls for a total of 15 min.
      Maura called billy back and talked for 7 minutes. Maura later called her sister in mass. and then billy 2 hours later. something transpired during these calls to cause the issue at work with the supervisor.

      something was going down on Thursday and billy and her sister knew something was wrong

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  10. i think some people do not know as much as they think they know. it is kind of comical in a way. to sleuth or not to sleuth!

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    1. Referring to your comment to me, immediately above, perhaps this comment of yours also is a form of meanness, or at least denigration? Does it serve a purpose other than sticking your tongue out at someone else?

      With respect,

      John Green

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    2. actually I was replying to rose white's comment. she was really laying it on.

      sorry for the confusion.

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    3. Please. You have not contributed a single interesting idea or theory to this site. At least I attempt a contribution that I hope might lead to some interesting discussion. Your only purpose here is to write asinine comments (complete with poor punctuation and grammar). If you have an issue with what I wrote, then I do mind, but you need to write out a complete counterargument, and not just write stupid shite like this.

      I am getting sick of the uneducated and lower-end thinkers polluting what could be a relatively decent place to discuss this case. Again, Miss Understood, I am completely fine with people arguing against any theory I have (indeed, I would PREFER that), but what you do here is just childish and something that only someone with zero critical thinking skills and a poor education would ever post.

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    4. honestly Rose I do have an issue. but whatever.

      and picking on my writing is really adult of You.

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    5. You really like degrading people rose white. you have no clue about me, my education or abilities.

      let me just say i will go IQ to IQ with you any day. how long have you been closely involved in this case rose white?

      recalculate those thoughts please. jmho

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  11. I am trying to recall the Disappeared episode (haven't seen it in awhile), but believe I remember that Fred, Billy's mom, and Liz Drewniak were the only three on the program discussing the case. Billy made a quick appearance, but it was more like a snippet of a television program. Billy's mom basically played a lead role with Fred. I find it interesting that the information that James has been uncovering leads to a whole different set of people that have more knowledge of the case who did not appear on the show. By these phone records, she was obviously in contact with Billy frequently, yet he didn't appear on the show. Same for Sara and Kate (if I'm not mistaken). They seem to prefer to stay away from the whole thing. And very little from Maura's family (just a snippet of Kathleen). I don't know - something is wiggling around in my brain about this.

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    1. Billy was being protected by his mother. she wanted to make sure he did not say anything wrong. my honest opinion.

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  12. Just to continue along those lines, I get the feeling that if you have the opinion hat Maura might be alive that it makes the murray tribe uncomfortable Citigirl comes to mind on Topix. She seemed very certain Maura was dead ir at least wanted everyoe to think along those lines.Just weird all this hush hush and going on 11years. Somethig just desn't feel right.

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    1. As unquantifiable as that thought is JWB, I will admit to having sensed it myself. There are some formerly very prominent characters around here (I am not talking about columbo) who over time it was revealed were blowing smoke up people's asses in subtly currying and encouraging arguments - sometimes on invented evidence and other times on distorted evidence - that Maura is not alive or that something worth thinking about was going on before the Saturn accident. Their appearance, along with a guy like Mike M. who pops up his head only to contest the lot 22 argument, never on substantive terms but instead through heated insistence that he knows better than me and that is the end of the conversation, and refuses to email me on the matter. Very strange. As I have said before, uncertainties case long shadows, so this could be imagination .. but I wonder if the Murrays or someone around this case have some hired hacks out here. You can hire firms to recruit folks to do shit like that.

      ~ John Green

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    2. The internet is full of crazies... I don't think the family would ever need to pay for them, lol! If so, that's just bad business sense on their part, haha! I agree that it happens though :) If any family ever hired online PR, I'm banking on Amanda Knox ;) She was accused of murder though - big difference. I don't feel there's an actual need for it in Maura's case. No matter how hard everyone tries, we just can't find any SOLID dirt on her. Why pay people to cover something that can't be found? Just my opinion :)

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  13. I do notice a Call From Billy 2/6 12:07 AM which is a Thursday, if I'm not mistaken the time of her breakdown. I think there is something with them that also contributed to her wanting to leave.

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  14. I think what people are referring to is that the family may be invested in throwing people off track for their own motives. Either to protect the fact that she ran off or that they know what happened and are covering something up. I would think the first more likely.
    I have always thought Maura was more involved in worse things than anyone knows. I question whether she was involved in any drugs, CI work, had to get away fast. The car accident that had her hitting a guard rail before she went missing? did someone push her off road? Her sister Kathleen and brother were both involved in drugs and her erratic behavior, binge/purge, drinking, all go hand in hand with addictions, problems with impulse control, risky behavior. The stolen credit cards? a lot of times, the way kids get cash money is to offer to pay for food on cc and collect the cash from others hence the credit card fraud, its a very common trick to get money to pay for drugs that can't be traced...This may also explain the frequent calls to Dominos. The other point is Delivery guys, easily dealing (sorry for the hard truth).
    This girl badly needed help and if she needed that much money she may have been afraid for her life. There is a whole new CI case that was just exposed on campus at UMASS after a death of a student informant. The CI program was exposed at UMASS Amherst campus as part of their police programs. This may have been how she was on "probation". And someone caught on...
    Another theory about the night of upset, "On the night Maura received the phone call that made her cry, a fellow student was found unconscious in the road, about a mile and a half from where Maura was working. He's believed to be the victim of a hit and run, though there were no witnesses. His injuries were quite serious, and for a time it looked like he might not make it. Some have speculated that Maura took a surreptitious break from work and was involved in the hit and run, or she lent her car to someone who was." In my opinion, Maura's life was out of control and she was wrapped up into a lot of things and got way over her head. It is quite possible that she is safer this way.
    The only other thought on that night is if she talked to sister, Julie at West Point, she was the one that told her bf was cheating on her. And maybe something else happened...


    What is also quite eerie to me is that the boyfriend's (BR) sister killed herself in 2007...

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  15. http://www.ladybud.com/2014/10/14/the-life-and-death-of-eric-sinacori-umass-confidential-informant

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  16. http://abcnews.go.com/US/dangers-college-student-campus-police-drug-informant/story?id=28357345#all

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  17. Wait. Does anyone know if Fred already had the 4000 when maura wrecked his car?

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  18. Is it 100% known for sure that the phone call that "allegedly" upset Maura was a call from her cell phone? Or is it possible that the call was placed to the security desk?

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  19. I was wrong about Mauras phone:
    Samsung/ Sprint SPH -A620. Dimensions 3.54x1.90x1.00 inches. Weight 4.48 oz. Talk time 2.90 hours, stanby time 7.0 days. Obigo 1.1.4 browser. CDMA 800, 1900 MHz. Amps: 800 MHz. Positioning GPS, voice dialing and voice recording. It didnt have walkie talkie features.

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