Monday, August 31, 2015

5 Clues That Make No Sense About This Case

As I finish up the last drafts of True Crime Addict, I'm getting another look at some of the very odd pieces of this cold case. Here are what I consider the "Top 5" clues that just don't make sense about Maura Murray's disappearance.

5. Kate's Faulty Memory

Two days before Maura disappeared, she attended a late-night party with her friends Kate Markopoulos and Sara Alfieri. Kate said it was at Sara's dorm room. Maura's boyfriend, Billy, said that Maura told him the party was off campus.

Though Kate said the room was packed -- standing room, only -- and that a man walked her and Maura outside at the end of the night, she claims she cannot remember the name of a single other person who was there. Too many years have gone by, she told me. However, when she was interviewed by detectives in 2004, she could not recall any names, either.

Sara, for her part, won't talk about the party at all. Helena Dwyer-Murray, who runs the family Facebook page says Sara eventually told the real story to Fred and will not repeat it to anyone.

4. Family Apathy

When the TV cameras were there, Fred made sure he was actively searching for Maura. But, according to those who stayed at the hotel with him, during the months after Maura disappeared, it was mostly show. He would wake up, go for a jog, get breakfast, then give assignments to searchers. They would regroup for an early dinner and beers and then settle in for the night. Unless the reporters were there. Then Fred would get out in center and actively look through the woods.

Until he sued the state of New Hampshire, Fred was uninterested in searching Maura's personal computer -- he removed it from Maura's dorm and put it in the back of Tim Carpenter's truck. It sat in his closet until police collected it -- and then Fred wanted it back.

Maura's mother was never involved in the search for her daughter. Her sister Julie appears to have dropped by once in the months after Maura vanished. Her other sister, Kathleen, told reporters she thought Maura's breakdown a few days before her disappearance was so that she could just get out of work. Her brother, Kurt, wrote a song he posted on his Facebook page about Maura, asking her what the family did to her to make her run away.

3. The Londonderry Ping

Someone called Maura from Eastern New Hampshire the afternoon she disappeared. This person has never come forward.

2. The Rag in the Tailpipe

Why was there a rag in the tailpipe of Maura's car? The only logical explanation is that someone wanted Maura's car to stall. In fact, her accident in Haverhill may have been caused after her call stalled and she clipped the corner of the curve in front of the weathered barn. When investigators discovered the rag, it was an excellent opportunity for Fred Murray to advance his "local dirtbag kidnapped Maura" theory. Instead, he said he'd told Maura to put the rag there to keep it from smoking.

1. The $4,000

The weekend before Maura disappeared, her father Fred visited UMass. At the same time, someone withdrew $4,000 from his account using several different ATMs in the area. After the disappearance, Fred claimed that he was the one who withdrew the cash and that he did so because he intended to use it to buy Maura a new car from a local dealership. But... at the time his house was being foreclosed on. And Maura's friends say that she was not looking for a new car. And why wouldn't Fred just write a check? And what ever happened to the money?

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  1. I've been following your blog for so long and went over the details so much that I'm starting to confuse myself. As far as the londenderry ping, is there a way to know what family members or friends of hers lived in the eastern New Hampshire area?

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  2. Londonderry ping is DEFINITELY the key to this case - knowing who made that call would blow the investigation wide open.

    Regarding the rag in the tailpipe, the guys on the podcast did a good job of explaining that, to my satisfaction at least. Although most mechanics will tell you it's not a solution to anything, there seems to have been a widespread "old dad's tale"/home remedy that if you're engine was down a cylinder or two a rag in the tailpipe would keep you running. This is what Fred says he told Maura and some podcast listeners confirmed they'd grown up being told the same thing. Since that clue doesn't really fit in elsewhere, I think that explanation makes sense. There's a lot of old home remedies like that which get passed down my word of mouth whether or not they actually work - especially in frugal old New England which was very much Fred's culture.

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    1. http://www.cartalk.com/content/potato-tailpipe-and-other-automotive-party-tricks

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  3. #3 is really interesting. If this caller has nothing to hide, they should come forward with information. I find the Londonderry ping suspicious.

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  4. I will give my short take on these questions:

    Kate's faulty memory: --- I don't think Kate has a faulty memory, It is my belief that she didn't know many if any of the people at the dorm party other than Maura. Kate was Maura's friend through sports and athletes tend to stick together in college. This dorm get-together was at Maura's art gallery friend's dorm room.

    Family Apathy: I agree with you on this one.
    When cameras were rolling, a display seemed to be underway and spin was well and alive. Fred has stated himself that if anything was to truly have been done for his daughter (resources and manpower to locate her) it needed to have been done on those first two days she went missing. Anything after was too late.

    The Londonderry Ping: We would have to understand what law enforecement was really after with this affidavit, and I don't believe it's ever been established.
    One thing is for certain, this did not have to do with cell phone pings.

    Cell phone pings are for tracing people's movements vie their phone, not for tracking phone calls made to that phone from other locations.

    Always keep in mind that there are two Londonderry's.

    One Londonderry in New Hampshire and one in Vermont. The one in Vermont lines up much more with Maura's believed route that day she went missing which was I-91 to the 302.

    Rag in the Tailpipe: you interviewed the lead investigator and he is the one to throw out it could've been a possible suicide attempt. I would love to hear more from him.

    The $4,000: Interesting for sure. He claims they had a three-year old geo prizm picked out. It looks like the last place they went was to a dealership in North Hampton Mass. No clue why they didn't get it same day unless they were short on money and the lot they were out wasn't financing (which is possible).

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    1. Probably doesn't mean anything, but I don't think Fred could have bought a 3-year-old Prizm in 2004. According to Wikipedia, Geo was defunct in 1997.

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    2. The Prizim was manufactured as the Chevy Prizim up to 2001.

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    3. Oh, didn't know Chevy picked up after Geo went under. Rats, thought I had caught Fred Murray in a lie about the $4000. ;)

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    4. Geo didn't "go under", it was merely a captive import brand of GM. GM joined with Toyota for the Prism, Suzuki for the Tracker and Metro, and had the Storm and Spectrum built by Isuzu in Japan. After the 1997 model year the only remaining models being sold were the Prism and Tracker, which were sold branded as Chevrolets until 2002 and 2004 respectively..

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  5. I think that maura stole that money from her fathers account. i think this may have lead up to the running away. maybe he found out and that is why she had a break down... also in regards to the londonderry ping how accurate is that? i don't know alot about phones and computers but when i log on to say facebook it will say i am somewhere totally different than where i actually am? it could be a good 20 miles off from where i actually am located.

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    1. A tower ping for cell service will be the phone reaching the nearest tower.

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  6. Looking at Point. No. 2 (rag) through a slightly broader lens, I'm bothered by the fact that Fred has basically stated Maura's car was a total POS, but she nonetheless had no qualms about taking it on a 150+ mile trip into a rural area during the middle of winter. Either: (1) the car was not in nearly as decrepit as we've been told, or (2) Maura had (for whatever reason) reached a point where her desire to get out of Amherst outweighed any trepidation she probably would have felt concerning the car. If (1) is correct, then why was Fred deceptive about the car? If (2) is correct, then we're still stuck with with the same old questions concerning the impetus for her trip.

    Of course, my favored theory (abduction) is not as connected with the car's condition as some other theories (need to disguise a prior accident), but I try to keep an open mind. I've always felt that it is possible we've been lied to about the car's mechanical shape. If so, it might be important to figure out why.

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    1. Absolutely. The vehicle passed Massachusetts inspection in October of 2003, so that would lead one to believe that the narrative of the vehicle being in poor running condition to be false.

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    4. Years ago, I had a poorly running car. I could get it to pass Massachusetts state inspection, but the car still wasn't in perfect running condition by a long shot. I drove the car from Massachusetts to Haverhill, NH and beyond on several occasions. It's definitely not something that is out of the question.

      Maura's car passing inspection in October does not mean it was in good, drive-able state in February, especially given the number of accidents she was in and was speculated to have been in with that car in the days leading up to her disappearance.

      On the other hand, we have only Maura's father's word about the condition of the car. Did he know she was planning to drive north in the middle of winter? Or was Maura so distraught about a recent event or events that she left without telling anyone?

      The rag, though, is a weird clue. Since Maura's father knew it was in the tailpipe, was he there to put it there? That's the huge question, since the family doesn't seem to have been all that freaked out about the whole thing - was a family member present to help her get away from whatever demons were haunting her?

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    5. Massachusetts inspection at the bare minimum would have checked for visible smoke from the tailpipe. This would be an instant fail. A vehicle that simply burns oil but otherwise drives fine will emit visible smoke and fail an inspection, and yet we are to believe that the car was "running on three cylinders". This really isn't possible without major internal engine damage which would never allow the vehicle to drive for hours. The car may have had a misfire on one of the cylinders due to a faulty spark plug that would cause the vehicle to run rougher than normal but otherwise drive reasonably well without smoke. This would illuminate a CEL. This is all speculation however. There is no evidence that the vehicle was in poor operating condition and based on the trip that the vehicle made, would indicate the opposite, that the vehicle was in good running condition. There is no evidence on the vehicle of any collisions prior to the Haverhill crash. No accident reports are known for MM's '96 Saturn other than the Haverhill crash.

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    1. I agree. I was always told something lIke a rag or anything blocking the tailpipe would make the exhaust not able to get out, and therefore it would go back up and stall the engine.I've read where people have put potatos and other objects in enemies tailpipes to stop them from being able to drive. Sorry this is not a technical explaination. As far as it being an indicator she had left or whatever, that would mean she and her cohorts had planned to leave it somewhere and put the rag in as a indicator. But, would the person she was signaling coming after her? A 3rd person? I feel the 2nd one picked her up. Could this be her 2 friends who will not talk? Very possibly could explain their actions.

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    2. You are correct, which is why the rag may have been used to intentionally stall the car, one way or another. The stall causing the car to wreck which was unplanned.

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    3. But putting a rag in the tailpipe if sealed properly will cause it to stall in seconds... not hours. If the exhaust has a place to escape... and the car is warm enough to keep the moisture from freezing....

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  8. I would add one more...why did it take 2 years for Fred to sit with the police, and why did he need to bring legal counsel?

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  13. 5. Kate's Faulty Memory
    Kate is no dummy. She knew who the man was that walked her and Maura outside that night. Kate and Sara knew Maura was newly pregnant, and Sara told Fred in confidence. This is where a grieving Fred smartened up.

    4. Family Apathy
    After Fred learned this shocking news from Sara, Fred turned to finding Maura privately. Fred used Maura’s computer to find clues. As we know from her web searches prior to the disappearance, Maura was so newly pregnant that she was worried about alcohol effecting the fetus. Already guilty of credit card fraud, Maura was potentially guilty of more charges that were at the time still undiscovered by law enforcement. She was a mother-to-be running away to escape future legal charges, as she couldn’t bare to go to prison and not raise her own child.

    3. The Londonderry Ping
    The Londonderry ping was an associate of the getaway driver, or the driver himself.

    2. The Rag in the Tailpipe
    Placing the rag in the tailpipe at a predetermined location in the miles approaching “The Weathered Barn" was part of a plan to stall the car. The plan was for the car to stall out in that general area. Her stalled vehicle was to eventually be found with no sign of Maura, conning authority to believe she was abducted when her car stalled. She would meet the getaway driver on foot at a nearby planned spot. Maura was not expecting the car to wipe out when it stalled but it smashed, attracted help, law enforcement… a real close call. She bolted like hell before police showed, made it to the getaway spot and got away. Fred is no dummy, and realized she stalled her own car on purpose and abducted herself. Another con.

    1. The $4,000
    Yet another con! Maura conned her trusting Dad into letting her hold onto $4,000 until he had enough additional cash to make a vehicle purchase. “My car is junk and I need a new one” was the name of the fraud this time. This was to be her short-term funds on which she would live in hiding until her new life was in full swing. She emptied her own bank accounts in efforts to get any cash as she could, as cash is untraceable. Fred did not want the $4,000 theft publicized, as more legal drama would just give her more cause to never return.

    In conclusion:
    If people were misled to think Maura was dead, they would stop searching for her. It was actually the perfect and ultimate con and it almost worked, but Fred found out the truth from her friends who talked just enough to reveal Maura’s secret. This is why he did not sit with police for 2 years, he knows Maura is alive and that he is a grandfather.

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    2. The anonymous post has several great points.

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    3. Thanks Kristin! I stand by this theory, because I think it is the only theory that marries case facts with a clear motive for running away. All other theories have major holes.

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    1. Why do you ask?

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    2. Perhaps NNM is considering that many religions place great importance on issues like suicide and abortion....

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  16. First, James - I have been actively reading your blog since the rerun of the Cracked.com article and you've gotten me addicted to this case. I check your blog and to see if the podcast has been updated every single day.

    Question for you: do you know if anyone has ever mapped the locations and times at which the portions of the $4,000 were withdrawn? Like would the route match up with Fred's route from CT to MA? Were they in a concentrated area? Were they out of order? How long before?

    I only ask because my assumption was always that he did it that way because ATMs will cut you off after a certain amount of cash but now I wonder if looking at the times and locations would give us any clues. I imagine it would just be yet another thing in the case that makes us all scratch our heads, though... seems to be that way with everything.

    Just a thought from this newly inducted armchair detective.

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  17. If you're working from the idea that Maura left willingly I've always wondered if Fred's unsubstantiated claim that they were car shopping and he had the $4,000 in cash wasn't to cover the fact that Maura stole the money from him either by stealing his debt card or taking the cash afterwards. It doesn't appear that anyone ever looked into Fred's bank records, nor looked at any ATM footage from the time because it wasn't that far fetched of an idea for them to be car shopping.

    We know Maura stole a classmate's credit card number prior to this and Fred was drunk that night he, Maura and her friend went out to dinner and she was in possession of his car. Say she drops him off at the motel and he's drunk so it'd be easy to just take his debit card without him noticing or tell a lie about why she needs it. She goes to various ATMs and gathers the money to fund her escapade, but possibly feels guilty about it later on or wants to put it back before he notices it's gone. She may have told Kate this and that would be why she was so insistent on getting his car back to him and into his room that night, but she gets into that accident.

    On another note, while it's odd it took Fred two years to sit down with police it's not even bothersome he brought lawyers. Always bring lawyers when dealing with the police.

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    1. "Always bring lawyers when dealing with the police"
      It was his daughter! If I was truly concerned about what happened, and had nothing to hide, I would have been at the station the moment that I heard she was missing. This is a huge piece of the puzzle.

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    2. New England Journey I think it's hard to say until it happens. I know that I come from a place where we were taught you ALWAYS use an attorney when dealing with law enforcement...

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    3. Always make sure your rights are represented no matter if you're innocent or not. It is in your best interest to ensure your rights are not infringed upon or you are being led/coerced into something by law enforcement. I see no problem whatsoever with Fred Murray having legal representation.

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    5. I agree there's nothing strange at all about bringing a lawyer to talk to the police in this situation. While many people might not, I believe most people would.

      As for Maura stealing from Fred's bank account - it makes sense on the surface but not really. Fred was based several hours away from Maura so it would be obvious from the ATM records who took the money out based on their known whereabouts at those times. In other words, there'd be no sense in using that story as a cover-up because it is so easy to debunk.

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    6. It's possible it never happened and Fred's above board when saying what the money was for/when it was withdrawn. I merely have always had the impression she'd stolen money from him, which then led to an argument (especially after she wrecks his brand new car) and eventually Maura taking off leaving Fred with immense guilt and why he always says that what happened prior to her disappearance didn't matter.

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    7. Is their ATM video footage of him making all thoose withdrawals to buy a used car ? Or is it her using his ATM card. That seems easy to figure out.

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    10. I have been watching this case for quite a while now and this time I am hearing different things about the $4000. I was under the understanding that Fred took the $4000 out of the bank and brought it with him. I never heard it was taken out of multiple ATMS. I don't believe that Maura took this money out of the ATMs (nor do I think Fred did). There are withdrawal limits at ATMS, which people have said that's why it was taken out of multiple ATMS. The thing everyone is forgetting is Banks have daily ATM withdrawal limits which are normally $500-$1000. If we assume his bank had the higher limit then that would mean it would take 4 bank accounts and 4 different ATM cards to withdraw the money that way. Add this all up and it is more likely the money was withdrawn at a bank branch. This means Fred would have been the one to withdraw it (either in CT before traveling or at a local branch near UMASS). Just my 2 cents.

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  19. I think Mythbusters tested blocking a tailpipe and the only thing that happened was the object was shot out.

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  20. Quite honestly all of this makes sense in my mind if Maura was seeing someone that we don't know about. The money, the cars, Fred not talking, the friends not talking, her disappearing all of a sudden, it all adds up. She took-off with her unidentified boyfriend. By the way, Fred said that she got snatched up by a local dirt bag. That doesn't necessarily mean that it a random criminal who meant her harm. It quite possibly means a man who Fred knew about and didn't like. Just simmer on that point.

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  21. The thing I don't get about the Londonderry ping is that....after all there years we still don't have any precise info on it.

    Was she cell simply turned on and communicated with the tower as she was driving near it?

    Did an incoming call come in and that caller hit off the tower?

    Generally these days, when you hear of a ping...the phone was on but idle and near the tower or a call was made or received when near the tower.

    It's weird we have no details on this.

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  22. I would bring legal counsel with me, no matter when it was, I don't trust police. Many people don't, so this could be why Fred brought his attorney. Why it took 2 years to speak to them is beyond me, sounds like the police dropped the ball, why didn't they demand it sooner, it seems suspicious if he refused to speak to them, you would think he would be on the radar as having inside info and that they would have pressed him for info, since they didn't put pressure on sooner, makes me speculate police dropped of this case early and something forced them to take a look back into it or into Fred.

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    1. Do you think she has a Black Eye on the ATM CCTV footage of her withdrawing money? And they think Fred gave it to her? Reason why cold case has never released it ? Also has anyone checked ATM video making sure its him withdrawing all thoose times getting money for a used car?

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    2. As long as MM remains missing, the evidence in police custody will not be known. We can speculate all day, but as long as the case is active, the likelihood of the police releasing any additional evidence is low, if not nil. I think it strange that in a missing persons case the last known images of the individual are not released to the public. I can only speculate that those images, if collected, would have contained evidence that might implicate another or otherwise be important in a criminal case.

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  23. There are so many "expert" opinions on the rag in the tailpipe. Who can we depend on for a definitive answer?

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    1. Connie,

      We can't depend on anything but testing Maura's Saturn's exhaust system, and here is why:

      Assuming an exhaust system is intact and not leaking, you can stop an engine by plugging up its exhaust outlet. However, if Maura's vehicle had a leaking exhaust system, placing an obstruction in the tailpipe would not disable it, as there are other outlets of exhaust.

      Fred made the statement that he told her put a rag in the tailpipe to stop it from smoking. This is the only real indicator of the condition of Maura's vehicle under the hood.

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  24. do we know if the money was taken out before or after her first accident? it might be a stretch but since the officer who attended to that accident hung up on you when you were asking him questions, i can't help but think maybe Fred bribed him to not arrest/give her a ticket. it seems odd that a bribe would be $4000, you'd think something more along the lines of $5000, but perhaps that's all Fred had.

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    1. Fred wasn't present at the crash site, so how would he bribe the police officer. I think the officer simply did not believe the driver was intoxicated, and therefore elected not to administer a sobriety test. He likely violated department policy with this and was likely disciplined in some way and doesn't wish to be reminded.

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    2. but then why even talk to James at all? it just seems more suspicious than because he is embarrassed about letting her off.

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    4. The police officer hanging up on Renner bugs me too. He had to of had conversation with her 30 to 40 minutes before he allowed her to leave with a tow truck driver. Did he let her sit in the cruiser? What was her demeanor like? Did he run her for warrants? I dont think he was bribed. I think he is a good cop who made a judgement call. He might orsome might speculate she might not be missing if he had arrested her that night. But hanging up on Renner bugs me too....

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    6. @Ell Officer Ruddock spoke with Renner as a courtesy. He is allowed discretion in many places. Ruddock may not have been disciplined, that would be up to the Chief and department policy, but due to the later events in the case with MM disappearing under suspicious circumstances, Ruddock likely thinks back that if he had detained her, she would likely have not been in the situation two days later to have disappeared. LEOs think about the implications of their decisions constantly, and this is one in which he may not be satisfied.

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  25. Not only is Kate's memory faulty but Sara won't speak about the party. Why, what is so secret?? Why doesn't Kate remember the guy who walked her and Maura out at the end of the night? Wasn't this her statement?
    Who called the police in the Toyota accident? Didn't Maura supposedly leave her phone at the "party"?
    Billy says Maura said the party was off campus but Kate and Sara say it was in Sara's dormroom.
    Did you ask Billy about the phone call on Feb 5 @ 12:07?
    I believe Kate knows exactly who was at the "party" and what was going on with Maura.
    What better way to not get caught in lies , keeping silent and claiming to not remember.
    When I first watched the Maura Murray case on ID, I thought there was something wrong with this picture. It seemed Fred was hiding things. And knew more than he was saying.
    Witnesses say Fred put on a " show" when cameras were around. This was my impression from the Disappeared show.
    Very strange to take 2 years to do a formal statement with the police when your daughter is missing, but then sues to see the police case file. He wouldn't do a statement but wants there information. I think he wanted to see if they had any incrimating evidence against Maura.
    Her brother Kurt writes a song about Maura running away. Was this his way of trying to reach out to her, knowing she's alive. Who writes a song about there missing sister insinuating she ran away. To me someone who has a pretty good idea that's what she did.
    Maura's mother not speaking out. I think she didn't feel comfortable lying so she stayed silent.
    I agree I think the caller of the Londonderry ping could be the key to solving the case or answering several questions. The only reason I believe they wouldn't come forward is because they don't want there identity known because they know what happened to Maura. This person would be asked some questions. Like why were you calling Maura , and why were you in New Hampshire.
    Clint on this blog said there's two Londonderry's one in New Hampshire and one in Vermont . Didn't Kathleen get caught growing pot in Vermont. Where did Kathleen live when Maura disappeared?
    Rag in the tailpipe, I debate back and forth between it being used to stall the car or a sighn that her plan was in motion. How far was the rag in the tailpipe? Was it far up there where you had to use something to push it in there or was it barely stuffed in there?
    Im not sure what to think about the 4,000, it would of been nice to have surveillance of the transactions to see who was getting the money. What day and time did Fred start withdrawing the money? Could this be what Fred and Maura was really doing on Sat , Going to ATMs . School was canceled on Friday due to a storm, so Maura had no classes. What did she do Friday? Who did she talk to on Friday? Did anybody see her around on Friday? She had just had her Breakdown at work.
    I also think Fred could of brought the money with him, and maura stole it. Maybe she needed to take the car back, so she could get the money or return his ATM card. If Fred's house was in foreclosure how did he get a new car? I also could see Fred bringing the money to give to Maura to help her start a new life.
    Just a thought. Perhaps Fred brought the money, to fix Maura's car, somehow she convinced him to let her hold onto it, and she used it in her own plan.

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    1. NICE! You and I are on the exact same track. As of recently I have commented very similar statements regarding all you said here.

      What do you think of the possibility of Maura being newly pregnant, that being the missing piece from this entire story. This is the secret that Kate and Sara new. Remember:

      "Sara, for her part, won't talk about the party at all. Helena Dwyer-Murray, who runs the family Facebook page says Sara eventually told the real story to Fred and will not repeat it to anyone.”

      She could have told Fred, and Fred realized this as her motive for running from him and the law for other charges.

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    2. Yes I think Maura being pregnant could be the missing puzzle piece, and the secret Kate and Sara know. I also think there's a high possibility if Maura was pregnant it wasn't Billys. I think she probably couldn't bare the thought of telling Billy and Fred.
      I also, think the Vasi hit and run could be a missing puzzle piece. Very strange quincendances:: Maura's phone call to Billy 12:07-12:14, Petrit was found at 12:20, was 0.9 miles from where Maura was, around 1 am a Major Breakdown
      ( catonic state) Then Maura's family and friends say Maura was at work and couldn't of hit Petrit, he was hit no where near her, when in reality it was very close to her and she was using her phone really close to when he was found, ( they weren't suppose to be on their phones at work) Also, her family has repeadly said her car was in bad shape, she was catching rides to clinicals ( which probably several students catch rides with one another) They hadn't been back in school that long since Christmas break. How many clinicals had she been to since getting back? Who was she riding with?
      Was she driving her car around before they went on Christmas break?
      Maura's car had passed inspection 5 to 8 months prior.( can't remember exact), and she drove it 150 miles with no issues.
      Is it known what day the search was done on the computer of alcohol on a fetus?
      Yes I think once Sara told Fred the " Real Story" he realized her motive. Perhaps this could be why he pushed a " local dirtbag grabbed her" because he wanted the search efforts to be in that area.

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    3. What if Maura had done a pregnancy test earlier in the day and left the test with a friend to break the news to her later, either because she had to go or because she couldn't bare to look. The devastating phone call could have been a positive result.

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  26. One thing that came to mind was the potential onset of bipolar. Maura could have been have episodes of delirium explaining all the car wrecks, emotional lows and potentially manic behavior like driving up to NH out of nowhere. If she was suffering from a break from reality, succumbing to elements while hiding from police, or suicide don't seem as far fetched anymore.

    Also, she did have tylenol PM in the car... Did she have trouble sleeping? Was she prescribed Ambien at any point?

    Ambien users have been known to have "ambien blackouts" the following day, where they wake ip in traffic, already at work, cooking, or performing a task on autopilot without any recollection of the blackout. These can last for hours. Very scary.

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    2. This is a good point. Bipolar and other mental illnesses often present themselves in a person's early 20's

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  27. Another case similar to Maura:

    Teleka Patrick attempted to check into a Kalamazoo hotel on the night of 5 December 2013 (even though she lived in the area) and security camera footage showed that she then took the hotel's shuttle bus back to the parking lot to the hospital where her car was parked.

    A few hours later, her car was found abandoned over 100 miles away, no explanation for the drive. Interior lights were on, the vehicle apparently had a flat tire, and Teleka Patrick's wallet was present. Witnesses claim her car was driving erratically. A bloodhound later tracked her scent from her car back to the edge of the highway, but there the trail went cold.

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    1. then she was found dead in a half frozen pond.

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    2. Are there any bodies of water along Route 112?

      Early February, they would have been frozen but someone walking on them to evade police could have fallen through????

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    3. There is the Ammonoosuc River which is near 112, and right next to it in some cases.....I've always wondered whether it played a role....

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  28. I have also wondered if the " dirtbag grabbed her" wasn't someone unknown but someone known to her friends and family. Perhaps Fred is angry she ran away with him but can't talk about it because it'll throw Maura "under the bus".
    Another thought of mine is that Maura was suppose to leave quietly out of town, later on someone would of brought her stuff to her. She could of withdrew from school, left quietly, and most likely it wouldn't of been looked at by police.
    I think the car wreck if not staged put a damper on leaving quietly, and caused her to disappear for good. She knew she could look at charges of leaving the scene of an accident.
    Why didn't the police go through Maura's things immediately. Especially her computer!
    Once the police took her computer Fred wanted it back. Most people would of wanted the computer to be looked at to see if it held any clues to their disappearance in the very beginning. Apparently something was leading the police to believe Maura ran away.
    There's lots of lies, covering up, and deceit in this case. By the family and friends who supposedly loved and cared for Maura. Why? There protecting someone...
    Maura's car: all of a sudden her car is a piece of crap and she needed a new one.
    1. It passed inspection about 5 months earlier
    2. It made it about 150 miles. Sounds like it ran okay. But her family and friends want everyone to believe it was a junker. I'm no expert but I think it was running okay.
    They try to discredit witnesses, hide witness accounts that came forward, hide Maura's trouble, downplayed where Petrit Vasi was hit, Fred put on a " show" when cameras around, Sara and Kate remember and no nothing, tried to make everyone believe her car was unreliable, cell phones went silent, Kate MIA days after Maura's disappearance, nobody has come forward on the Londonderry ping, 4,000 cash, Fred swooping into town, was made out Maura didn't know the area of route 112 when most likely she did, A Party that sara and kate dont remember, mom doesn't speak out, breakdown at work, rag in the tailpipe, brother writes a song about her running away, to me with all this information it seems they know exactly what Maura was doing and what her plan was.
    Perfect plan: disappear in the White Mountains, a place she loved, make people believe suicide and then a dirtbag grabbed her. Anything but she's Alive...
    I don't think they realized how many people would be interested in the case and how social media would blow up like it did. They tried hard to hide a lot of these facts and once they came out they tried hard to discredit the information.
    I believe some of Fred's early statements could hold some clues.
    Didn't Maura call Dominos On Feb 5 around 3 AM only 2 hours after her Huge breakdown at work.


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  29. Above in the comments, I outlined a theory that Maura's entire motive for running away was due to an unplanned pregnancy, instigating the start of a new life elsewhere without legal issues, and without having to tell her Father. I also alluded to Kate and Sara knowing that she was pregnant, refusing to tell anyone but Fred.

    If you think this is within the realm of possibility, let's take it a step further. What male had she been recently involved with? Could this person in her life be connected to the disappearance in some way?

    http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/p/cast-of-characters.html

    Anyone?

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    1. If she was pregnant then she was drinking wine and driving with a "baby-on-board". Not the best thing for a mother-to-be if she wants a healthy baby. Unless the goal was an abortion.

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    2. rcoopr - James has a post from i believe a few years ago that states when forensics were done on her dorm computer they found searches for excessive alcohol consumption while pregnant. this search was apparently done before the search for directions to Stowe. it apparently also had nothing to do with her schoolwork. i'm a natural skeptic so i still feel kind of iffy about these claims, but on the surface it does appear as if maybe she was attempting to perform her own abortion through alcohol.

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    3. I don't believe she was drinking and driving due to the pregnancy.

      I believe the rag was supposed to stall the car for abandoning, and the car accidentally wiped out when it stalled at the turn in Route 112. The alcohol could have smashed / spilled on the car interior upon impact, or the entire "drunk driving" scene was part of a setup.

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    4. I agree with the unplanned pregnancy and Kate and Sara knowing about it and that's part of the Real story Sara told Fred. But what makes me doubt this being the only reason of running is because she was still on probation for the credit card fraud. She didn't have much time left on probation( about a month I think), she couldn't hide it a little longer until she got off. She was taking a risk with running away and being caught while still on probation.
      Unless she stole the money from Fred for an abortion or a new life and accidently wrecked , at that point she didn't look back.
      Or Fred wanted Maura to have an abortion, brought the 4,000 and Maura pretended she was going to and instead made a plan of her own to disappear using the money. But then 4,000.00 is A lot for an abortion.
      What day was the search done for alcohol on a fetus?
      If Maura was seeing someone else, then yes I think this person could of aided in her disappearance. I think Kate can't remember the male who walked her and Maura out after the "party", sat night because it was who Maura was seeing or it was Fred. I think They can't remember who the male was because it
      Would lead or give a better understanding to what happened to Maura.
      If this is why she ran then most likely she knew she would disappoint her Dad and Billy and couldn't face being scrutinized by them.

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    6. The last phone call she was know to have received was from her "boyfriend." She could have told him she was pregnant and he told her that he wanted nothing to do with the child. That may have been the upsetting news.

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    9. So she was known to have several "male friends" and yet that angle has not been explored in depth with interviews, profiles, and such like. Sounds to me like there really isn't that big of a push to find this chick with a glairing and ongoing failure like that. Just my opinion but think about for a moment, she had "male friends" and none of them have been pursued as potential getaway accomplices?

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  30. Here's the thing, Fred knows that if he acts like his daughter is truly missing in the conventional sense of the term then police and public will look for her. Fred also knows that if she ran off with a "local dirt bag" whom he knew about and didn't like, then the public and police would not look for her. She was a big girl, she can run off to wherever she wants, with whoever she wants, whenever she wants and doesn't need to tell anyone including her family. The theory or speculation just mentioned explains the whole case neatly in my opinion. The lies from Fred, the money, the friends keeping tight lipped, the conflicting accounts of events leading up to the disappearance, all of it.

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  31. I've been trying to counter some of the people who are pushing the suicide theory on Websleuths, but I'm somewhat limited on what I can say there, as they don't allow discussion of the victim's family. I have to admit, after watching all the different interviews with Fred, I get a very unsettling feeling about him. I feel he either knows what happened, or was in some way complicit. I don't buy that her intent was suicide, there may be a few things that suggest suicide, but I feel like there is so much more that points away from suicide. I'm glad that there is so much attention on this case right now, I think the answers are right around the corner.

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    1. I agree. The 2 suicide theories I've seen most are the alcohol and the succumbing to the elements and I strongly dislike both for a few simple reasons.
      1. Killing yourself with white russians/boxed wine or walking into the woods in the dead of winter may be 2 of the most difficult way(considering time/effort/guaranteed success) to commit suicide.
      2. Contemplating this from the perspective of an early 20's nursing student I can think of AT LEAST a handful of ways that she would either be able to execute much more quickly/effectively or have access to items/knowledge needed to do so.

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    3. "Sara, for her part, won't talk about the party at all. Helena Dwyer-Murray, who runs the family Facebook page says Sara eventually told the real story to Fred and will not repeat it to anyone.” - James Renner in Cast of Charactors

      Right there... in case facts... we know Fred and Maura's friends knows something huge that we do not. And subconsciously, we all can feel it. Maura did not commit suicide, in fact quite the opposite.

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    5. I think they know she.did the Hit and Run on Petrit Vassi and probablly the identity of the individual she took off with.

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  32. Was Maura still on probation? Would she of been in trouble for running away while on probation. I'm sure now they wouldn't bother her about it if she's alive but within the first couple of years they might of.
    How much longer did Maura have probation for?

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    1. I believe she either received a DPA (deferred prosecution) or some sort of other probation. Likely through a plea agreement. Both are basically guidelines from the DA that you must agree to do for a set amount of time instead of facing trial and being convicted. Upon breaking that contract you will be convicted of the charges or sometimes lesser ones. The DPA/probation usually requires you to do any or all of the following.

      To avoid any criminal charges.
      Write letters to the DA regularly.
      *MAYBE* Absolute sobriety. And tread lightly when reading that one because I know people could run way overboard with that one. Her type of charges almost never requires absolute sobriety.
      Regular drug testing, again *MAYBE*

      Although I've never had any type of fraud charges or any relating ones, I have unfortunately had probation and a DPA as well. Thought I'd share some personal information relating to the possibilities

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  33. I'll have re-read the info about the Londonderry ping, but I can't help thinking about all of the digging Susan Simpson has been doing on the Undisclosed podcast re: cell tower pings circa 1999.

    I was just about floored when, during the Maura Murray podcast with James Renner (near the end of the episode, if memory serves), one of them mentioned that Kate went away the same time as Maura went missing, but Kate turned up again a few days later. I want to know more about this. Where the heck did she go? Was this ever disclosed?

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  35. This case is one of the most vexing and tantalizing ever. I really enjoy reading everyone's posts and your blog. Maybe the case is so hard to get the bottom of because bits and pieces of all the theories are true. I think that Maura likely did do the hit and run, which would account for her breakdown at work and Fred running in to help and all their weird activity that weekend. Fred seems like that kind of guy who wants to save face and hide problems, so that's what he was in town to do. But then Maura wrecked his car which caused more problems. They seemed to have had a very unhealthy relationship...all the denial on his part, drinking together, giving her his car to drive when he knew she'd be drinking, her sleeping in his hotel room, etc. I don't think he knew that she was planning on leaving. He seems very concerned with prestige and academic credentials and dean's lists and top ranking this and that. I don't see him ever condoning a plan for her to fade into the woodwork for the rest of her life and not "be somebody." He was trying to hide evidence so she could go on being a "star." I don't think really she had any plan at all when she left. She was desperate, distraught, and frightened. Driving drunk on icy roads at night is suicidal in and of itself, but not the well-planned out kind of suicide. And If she's a sociopath, a vague notion to make everyone worry and feel sorry for her while she hid out for awhile and drank herself silly might make more "sense" to her. All the mixed messages she left behind (packing up her room, emailing professors, bringing textbooks and booze) speaks to a disorganized desire to just get the hell out of there. (I teach college students and have daughters this age, and I frankly can't see anyone that age, going through what she was going through, coldly and calculatedly planning such a successful, life changing scheme on the spur of the moment. ) Then she wrecked her getaway car and wandered off, panicked. I think a predator--and they are around, waiting for such an opportunity--must've swooped in. A drunken, lost, upset girl, all alone--what perfect prey. A perfect storm. Horrible.

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  36. The above input hinges on the two words "coldly" and "calculating." Maura had exhibited a pattern of impulsivity and rash decisions. She may have been thinking about leaving, she may have been planning to leave to some degree, but what we do know is that she did odd things at odd times. Add up all of the impulsive and destructive acts that we know about, then you have just the kind of person who would simply decided to blow the chicken coupe at a strange moment. Consider that her friends aren't talking, consider the phone calls that we don't know about, it fits that she darted on a partial whim.

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  37. There is no evidence that Maura was involved in the hit-and-run and further no evidence that a hit-and-run took place to injure Vasi. There is no evidence that Maura's '96 Saturn was damaged prior to the crash on Rt. 112. The damage to the Saturn is also inconsistent with striking a pedestrian. It is very unlikely that the Vasi incident is connected to the MM case.

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    1. There's no evidence because the police didn't look into it. The police didn't do an investigation on Vasi's hit and run and the police didn't inspect Maura's car for the hit and run.
      There's a lot of quincedances around the time Vasi was found.
      No one wants to talk about the call to Billy at 12:07-12:14 , supposedly her car was a POS, but passed inspection in Oct. 2003, had a Major breakdown at work 40 minutes after they found Vasi, She left the day the story ran in the college newspaper, and her family and friends made it out like there was no way possible she could of done it( she was at work and he was hit far away from where she was) when really it was only 0.9 miles from her work at the dorms.
      Why lie about how close it was to Maura, and why not speak of the call to Billy?
      Maura Never mentioned getting a new car to anyone. One would think she would of been excited and at least her closest friends would of knew she was getting a new car.
      Maura very well might not be involved but I definetly think its a possibility . its definetly something that should be looked into.

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    2. There are points about Maura's final weekend that have unanswered questions. The police didn't investigate the Vasi incident as a hit-and-run as there was little evidence to that point. The witness couldn't give account and there were no eyewitnesses to be found (even though the area is considered rather busy). There was certainly no evidence to implicate MM and therefore no investigation into her vehicle. In an investigation there must be a chain of evidence, and there just wasn't in this case, or at least none that LE connected at the time, therefore no conclusion can be determined at this point in time. Vasi himself presently does not want to speak of the incident and has moved past. No witnesses have come forward. One can speculate on IF MM was connected with the incident and how that ties into MM's emotional state, phone records, events of the weekend, and so on, but there is no direct evidence that MM had any involvement.

      Furthermore the dorm where MM was working may have been 0.9 miles from the location where Vasi was found, but how far was parking? Wouldn't MM want the vehicle reasonably hidden or obscured in a low traffic area to conceal evidence of involvement? How far away would MM have parked the vehicle? What lot? How long would it have taken MM to get from that lot (on foot) to her security post? I just don't see a workable timeframe taking into account all details.

      The purposes of FM on campus and the $4K are suspect, sure, but I don't see much if any evidence that connects MM to Vasi. Someone else driving MM's car is another possibility, but I just don't see someone getting as upset as MM was described as being over an incident that didn't include her.

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  38. I haven't seen this brought up here before, I do love this blog. It's about the theory of the second car crash being a cover up for a hit and run involving Petrit Vasi. To cover up any damage in the hit and run.
    To cause that much damage to a Person and a Car in a Hit and Run, Iam sure the Air Bags would have gone off.
    So Maura would have had to drive with Deployed Airbags to the second location (where she went missing ) .
    You would think the Cops would have noticed these air bags having previously being deployed ? Maybe not? If this hit and run theory is true, it must have been a pain to drive with deployed airbags.
    I Doubt Fred or anyone else would know how to "reback"? Airbags in a car.
    This is just something I always wondered about .

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    4. Where did you read vasi was pinned to a guardrail? The guardrail accident was when Maura crashed her fathers car days later. I just wrote in another post that I live in rural Texas where deer are ubiquitous. I have been once in a car and once in a small truck when they have hit deer, big deer. In each case the impact sent the deer flying up over the hood and but did not stop the cars forward motion in any way significant enough to deploy the air bags.

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    5. My grandmother hit a prdastrian years ago and her airbags didn't deploy. It was on a busy 4 lane highway.

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  39. According to James, Mauras probation was to end sometime in February(same month she disappeared) as long as she stayed clean. I believe the upsetting phone call could have been connected to Maura violating her probation whether it be the Vasi hit and run- another student confronting Maura about another credit card fraud instance etcc...Maybe Fred was there to pay off the victim of credit card fraud.

    I don't think the accident with Freds car would have violated her probation unless she was cited for DUI. Maybe Maura pleaded with the cop not to charge her because she would have been kicked out of school.

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  40. I've mentioned this before on your blog: I always hear it argued (on the blog, on the podcast, and from many other people) "If Maura was really buying a car, why did Fred need to take out cash? Why wouldn't he just write a check". If he was in fact using the money to buy a car (which I am in no way saying he was..I don't think that adds up) withdrawing cash for a car WOULD make perfect sense. As I've said, I worked in the auto sales industries for several dealerships---for one of the largest dealerships in the world, mid-sized, and very small, family-run. The VAST majority of sellers, whether it be a dealership or private "Craigslist" seller *will not accept checks!!*. A car is a huge purchase. Checks often take days to clear, and thus would be easy for a criminal to get away with a free car. They will gladly accept cash (and usually give you an additional discount), financing, or a bank-issued check in the exact amount of the purchase price. Fred would have taken Maura car shopping on a weekend, when most banks are closed. Therefore, it wouldn't be possible to go to the bank and get a check issued, and he very well could not have had a branch of his bank up by Umass. I love your blog. I think you are an amazing man for keeping this case alive. But, being in the auto industry, it drives me a little crazy that I keep hearing the "he would have paid with a check!" argument, knowing that would not have been possible.

    But of course the question remains-- if he was buying her a car, why would he withdraw the money before he even knew what car he was getting--before he even LOOKED at cars--before he even knew a price? Maybe he was doing it to be safe to ensure he even could withdraw that much money so he'd be prepared on the lot...but I have serious doubts that's what the money was for.

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    1. Why would he withdraw from several ATMs tho.if I was going looking for a car on a pre planned visit if I wanted a large amount of cash I would go to the bank first.fred said the trip was organised so seems a bit disorganised not taking money beforehand

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    2. The withdraws can be possibly explained a few ways. Let's assume the $4000 amount is what he either could or wanted to spend on a used car for her. Used car dealers love cash offers and I've seen people haggle deals with cash that would've never been taken otherwise. The multiple atm withdrawal can easily be explained due to the fact that almost every bank or account holders themselves put a limit on ATM withdraw amount per ATM or per 24 hours. Being in Massachusetts, he'd be withdrawing from an out of state bank/credit making the limit possibility even more likely

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    3. So why not get the money before he left home if it was a pre arranged trip to look at cars? Also why did the £4000 even become public knowledge? If I was appealing for a missing child I would be talking about that not how much money I had on me.could he possibly be communicating with whoever he thinks took Maura? Like letting whoever know he has a ransom but they never responded to him??

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  41. Does Hossein Baghdadi have an alibi for the day / evening Maura disappeared?

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    1. unfortunately it's most likely way too late to ever find out if he did or not. same with kathleen possibly being the tandem driver (which i don't believe, but her whereabouts at the time of the crash would be almost impossible to truly confirm at this point)

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  42. As far as the $4K and the idea of buying a used car...

    I've always paid cash, especially with private sales. Even at small dealerships, cash talks. Asking $5k? $4k cash in hand and you might be driving away.

    When I was younger I really tried to talk this dealership down, I brought cash. Repeatedly made offers. Told them I'd pay immediately in cash. Still didn't budge, went to the ATM for $500 more and then got the car.

    Now prior to that, I only had a few grand in cash with me with a couple cars in mind. I ended up finding one that was more than what I planned to spend. So I withdrew a bit more money, went there and tried my best to press a cash sale. Ended up back at the ATM for that additional $500.

    So, in total I probably made several transactions in a short time span for around $4-5 thousand because 1) I wanted a quick cash sale 2) I raised by budget a bit after seeing a few other options I liked 3) I tried to low ball the dealership and they wanted more...

    I guess you can make what you will of that...

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  43. If Fred said this was a "planned shopping trip" then on Friday he should of known he was taking Maura car hunting. On Friday most banks are open until 5:30-6:00. So you would think, he would of known in plenty of time that he needed a large sum of cash and would of went to the bank and withdrew it at one time. Also a lot of banks are open on Sat. Until 12 noon. Why didn't he stop by the bank and withdraw the money at one time and not multiple ATM transactions ?

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  44. It is possible that Kate's faulty memory could simply be due to the fact that she simply didn't really know the people at the part (if indeed there was a party). I've been to parties where I was invited so I went, but really didn't know anyone except for maybe one other person (usually the person who invited me). So, at any given circumstance, I could be asked who was at a certain party, and I could be like, "Well Jim invited me, but I don't know who else was there" simply because it's the first and last time I've seen these people.

    As for the Londonderry Ping, this could simply be a wrong number. I get calls randomly from all over the U.S. And with those north-east states being in such close proximity to each other, it's not that surprising that she could get a call (wrong number or not) from a nearby location, not quite native to her own.

    Not trying to be argumentative, but all I'm saying is that there could be a lot of different, and non-sinister reasons for these things. I mean, everyone just examine yourselves and all of your actions in the next couple of days. Tell me if you disappeared, would anything you do be able to be misinterpreted as weird? I mean, I now sometimes I look up random stuff on the net, just out of curiosity, but that doesn't mean I'm up to something. And sometimes I do stuff, that makes total sense to me and if you knew what I was doing, but perhaps not to someone on the outside. Who in the world would like it if their every day activity were exposed to the world? Even if you weren't up to anything. And if you disappeared without a trace, suddenly everything you do would be interpreted in light of that disappearance, whether the two events are related or not.

    But the thing is, almost everything about this case, and almost every argument that can be made about it, there has been a case that has been solved, that fits just about every scenario. I'm not going to go into details, but some say Maura couldn't have committed suicide or succumbed to the elements, otherwise her body would be found. But yet, we have missing persons cases that were solved, where the person or persons were missing for years, only to have their remains be found nearby their last known location, even when there were extensive searches. But then some say Maura couldn't have been abducted because what the chances someone would happen to be there at the right time, plus it would have happened so quickly and undetected. But yet, we do have solved missing persons cases where that exact thing has happened. But then some say she couldn't have run away, because she would've been spotted and found by now. But yet, we do have solved missing persons cases where the person has been found years later. See, nothing is out of the realm of possibility with this case.

    I just hope James Renner still pursues this case even after his book is published. I hope his book only ignites more interest and creates even more arm-chair detectives. The more people who know about this case, and who to look out for, and the possible scenarios, the greater chance we have of finding her, hopefully alive.

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    3. >"Seems Kates faulty memory benefited someone. How can a person with a faulty memory complete college ?"

      Did you read what I said? I completed college, but I don't remember everyone at parties sometimes, especially when they aren't people I'm normally associated with.

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    5. But the difference is you didn't go missing 2 days after a party. If the party was at Sara's room then Kate might not know some of the people but Sara should. Neither Sara or Kate can remember a single person from the "party" . they havent been able to remember from day one of the investigation. So a MAN walks you and your friend out after the party,then your best friend goes missing 2 days later and you can't remember the name of this man. Matter of fact: Kate or Sara can't remember anyone who was at this party or anything about this party.
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  45. I agree that her behavior in the days leading up to her disappearance was strange. However, I believe she was under a lot of stress, just wanted to get away and forget about school for a few days, get drunk, and relax. She gets into the accident with booze in her car and on her breath, panics because she doesn't want to get into even more trouble with a DUI, flees the scene into the woods, and succumbs to the elements. All the evidence points to this. A dirt bag/serial killer passing by at the exact moment would be a one in a million occurrence. A planned disappearance? That would mean that the accident was somehow staged as part of some master plan? That's highly unlikely as well. Unfortunately, Maura's remains are most likely somewhere in the woods in the vicinity, and wild animals and the harsh elements will make it unlikely that they will ever be found.

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    1. >" A dirt bag/serial killer passing by at the exact moment would be a one in a million occurrence"

      Statistically getting murdered by a serial killer is a very low occurrence yet, it happens to people all the time. Any time a serial killer finds a victim, we could always ask, "What were the chances...".

      >"Unfortunately, Maura's remains are most likely somewhere in the woods in the vicinity, and wild animals and the harsh elements will make it unlikely that they will ever be found."

      A very likely scenario. Of all the scenarios, I think either this one, or the victim of foul play one are the correct ones. While I wouldn't be totally surprised if she just ran away, I seriously think this is the least likely.

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  46. I read somewhere that she had been sleeping at her then most recent "ex boyfriend's" house. This fact goes along way in explaining why her stuff was in boxes in her dorm room. It also explains how she would simply disappear. She was already shacked-up with someone. Also I've read elsewhere that she had gotten into someone's car after the accident. Simply put, her guy friend, who's identity has not been pursued from what I've seen, was following her and picked her up. This is an obvious case of someone who blew town with a "friend." Why hasn't this recent ex boyfriend's identity been pursued? His identity and location quite possibly in part or in whole are what the friends are hiding. Think about it, it makes total sense and goes the distance in explaining what happened.

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    1. My thoughts and feelings exactly.

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  48. How long did Maura attend West Point for?
    If Maura met Billy when she got caught stealing the makeup( believe somewhere it says this is when he met her) then most likely they didn't spend much time at West Point together.

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  50. Wouldn't the coke bottle have DNA on it if someone had been drinking out of it? Wonder if police checked this? If there was a passenger, possibly they were drinking and not the driver. Maura was a diet Mountain Dew drinker. Who was a coke drinker? Not saying it wasn't Maura's but possibly it was someone else's. In the picture of Kathleen holding Maura's shoes and surrounded by her things from her car there is a bag in the background with a diet Coke bottle. ( believe its not part of Maura's things)

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    1. You can report a Child missing immediately. Maura was an Adult, you can report an Adult missing, however the police may not go looking right away, or wait 24 hours.
      It is perfectly legal for an Adult to leave/run off and are not tell Anyone where they are going. Even if it is torture for thir Family and Friends.

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    1. What are the odds a college kid is hit by a car and left for dead while another one from the same school disappears without a trace 4 days later? What are the odds the parent of the missing girl just so happens to be in town visiting that same weekend with 4000 dollars walking around money.?

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  56. Here's an idea for this blog: write an open letter to Fred and/or her so called friends. An open invitation to an ongoing web based search could provide them with just the motivation they need. Hell they could even be assured of their anonymity. Just look at all of the people on here who are anonymous. Think about it Fred and Maura's so called friends, what have you got to lose? You're only making yourselves look suspicious and collaterally involved by staying quiet!

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  57. I completely agree, they have made themselves look suspicious. I think they never thought a lot of the facts would come out.
    Why wouldn't her 2 besties from UMASS speak about there missing friend. The only time Sara spoke was to the Seventeen article, in which she said " I don't want to get my friend in trouble". That clearly shows they know something we the public don't know about.
    I agree, why not come out anoymously and say what you know. Its been 11 years, its time. What and Who are you still protecting.
    Her friend and roomate from West Point spoke up and said what she knew and her thoughts. She said " if someone could disappear and start over , it would/ could be Maura." She also said she believe Maura did and she's alive somewhere. 2 people who were close to her within the past several years believe she did run away and start over.
    Hossein( her secret lover) and her West Point roomate

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    1. I agree. Without them speaking, Maura would of been considered a " runaway"

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  60. Has it been verified anywhere that one of Maura's friends was also missing for a few days when Maura was first missing?

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    2. I believe it was Kate. She was MIA for several days according to other track team mates. She was back by Sat. For the track meet.

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  61. When Maura first disappeared , Fred was directly making pleas to her to come back. They'd bang away at whatever is, just like they always have. To me, seems Fred knows she's running away. He's pleading directly to her. After two weeks he changed his tune. I think its because Sara told him the real story making him realize she wasn't coming back. He knew he wouldn't find her on his own so he would need the polices help.
    In disappeared Sharon said her and Fred decided to go through Maura's phone record themselves, when they did they called and spoke with the condo owner, that Maura had called. And that was the first time she had been contacted. Did the police not go through Maura's phone records at the beginning.
    I also think the phone call Billy recieved was Maura and not a red cross worker.
    Quincendance Billy receives a call, and its traced to Red Cross when Maura had Red Cross calling cards.
    How did Hossein Baghdadi ( secret lover) communicate with Maura? Was it by the dorm phone, her phone Billy paid for or by another phone?:

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  63. I find Kate's faulty memory one of the least odd things about the case. UMass is a notorious party school, and even today, parties can attract 1,000 or more students and other people. Since most of the party attendees are college students, many are underage (21 is and was the drinking age in Massachusetts). Students are likely to develop "amnesia" over who was at a party, not wanting to get their friends in trouble. And with a large party, it's highly likely that any one person will know only a small number of people who attend.

    So, yes, I think Kate may be covering something up, but it may or may not be what we think it is.

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    1. Also, a guy named Tom came forwRd and said about a year after Maura went missing he found a black bookbag frozen behind restrooms at the Pemigewasset overlook. I believe he said he reported it but didn't know whatever happened. Another blogger said he was going to go and check it out. He came back and said holy crap its there. He called the police , next day he went back and it was gone. The cold case unit retrieved it but wasn't sure if it was a hoax or really Maura's. I'm not from there but I looked it up and it looks like the Pemigewasset overlook is near the Franconia Notch. There was nothing found in the bag.
      Lori said its weird she is picking up that Maura is living but not living.
      Maura sent the email there was a Death in the family is that because after Feb. 12 there would be no Maura.

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  67. My questions are related to yours, Mr. Murrays mileage on his rental car, because his was getting fixed. If his land at his house was ever searched with cadeaver dogs.

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  68. If there is aprox. An extra 700 miles on his rental car,(Freds) he should be bumped up to lead suspect, yes we all know he worked, however he would still have time to follow her out and return before the police contacted him a day later.

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