Tuesday, September 29, 2015

Maura at West Point

This week's podcast will feature another interview with Clint Harting, who recently found a cache of photographs from Maura's years at West Point.

You can view the photos here. Let me know if you find Maura in any of them. I haven't been able to spot her, yet.

If anything, these photos remind me that Maura was trained in survival skills by the US military.

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  1. My father is an USMA (West Point) grad, class of '79. I happened to be watching the Disappeared episode on Maura with him, and I remember him saying that, especially with the plebes and second year cadets, the administration would avoid actively discharging cadets for minor crimes or honor code violations, and instead sit the cadet down and strongly suggest that they leave on their own volition. This allows the cadet to move on with their lives without any negative consequences or stains on their record, and allows the Academy to avoid any negative publicity. Everything I've read states that Maura "left" West Point, but it could have easily been a case where she was coaxed to leave instead of being actively discharged.

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    1. Things are different now and probably were when Maura was separated from West Point. Cadets are separated for honor violations all the time and there is a several week process involved in outprocessing. The cadets are well aware of the honor code and the consequences for breaking it.

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  2. This link is to the Class of 2004, wasn't Maura a junior at the time? So she would have been the class of 2005 had she stayed there and not transferred. If this is the Class of 04, that insinuates they are seniors, which Maura would not have been. Am I wrong?

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  3. "If anything, these photos remind me that Maura was trained in survival skills by the US military."

    I was in the actual U.S. military for years, not just an academy. I wish civilians didn't somehow put military personnel on some super human pedestal. I know that's how we're portrayed in popular media like video games and movies, but fact is we're just regular, every day people.

    Obviously I was trained by the U.S. military, probably more so than Maura Murray was, as I was actually in the service on active duty. And I do NOT feel like I could survive the circumstances that she was in: alone, night time, no gear except a ton of alcohol, snow, freezing temperatures, etc. If this were planned, then sure. But if this was a legit accident and she just ended up in a random place in those conditions, then it is very doubtful.

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    1. EXACTLY! Thank you so much for saying this. It really bothers me to repeatedly hear that Maura most likely could have survived because she had military training. Maura had nothing but some books and booze on her. The ground was covered in snow. It's not like she'd be able to start a fire with what she had in these conditions. Add in the fact she was most likely intoxicated. Plus she was at West Point for what, a year? She wasn't receiving SEAL training, and we have no idea if she even had any type of course in wilderness survival. Her chances of surviving out there were just as good as anyone else's--- which wasn't good to begin with.

      Plus, Maura had ample opportunity to get help-- from the bus driver, knocking on a door, etc. If she wandered into the woods she didn't want help. She didn't want to survive.

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    2. The idea that Maura could've survived had she gone into the woods to elude a police investigation does not work for me, either. She had one year of military schooling, and she dropped out. There's no evidence that she had a sleeping bag, tent, boots, snowpants, heavy down parka, etc. Nor were any footprints found in the immediate vicinity of the crash site. The dogs lost her scent a short distance down the road. I recognize that scent evidence--especially scent evidence which is hours old--is not always reliable. Regardless, the simple, straightforward conclusion to be drawn from what evidence we do have (imperfections notwithstanding) is that she got into a car with someone, or was forced into a car by someone. I cannot understand why so many people refuse to accept this as a likely possibility.

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    3. If Maura was a plebe or Yearling when she was separated, the only training she would have had was the Cadet Basic Training before her plebe year and Cadet Field Training in the summer before her Yearling year. The skills are more focused on Army training and not survival. I think people have a inflated view of what her training might have been.

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  4. Maura was in the class of 2004. You can find the list by Googling "massachusetts parents of west point cadets Maura Murray" . My search had the link as the second choice (DOC file). Scroll down the grad years and Maura was 2004 and Julie 2002.

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  5. Maura graduated high school in 2000 and began West Point right after. Had she stayed at West Point, she would've graduated in 2004 and then gone on to commit to five years of active duty service. (Main reason given for her wanting to get out of West Point was the five-year commitment to the Army, she decided wasn't for her)

    Maura left West Point at the end of the fall 2001 semester and transferred over to UMASS as a Chemical Engineering Major.

    Maura didn't get into the nursing program until the spring semester of 2003 and was set to graduate from the nursing program in May 2005

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    1. Yea i just noticed they said she was a junior...ok thanks for clarifying :)

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  6. http://www.west-point.org/family/mem2005/marchback/010800-fred-jrl001.html

    It's a little blurry, from the the class of 2005 (taken in 2001). But looks like her in bottom left corner maybe?

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  7. I found this compelling, speaking of West point:

    http://findmauramurray.fr.yuku.com/topic/58/Articles-The-Mysterious-1AM-Call

    "However there maybe a connection with Maura's departure from West Point due to a complaint she made of harrassement, as Rumsfeld announced an investigation into grilling assaults and harrassements in the Military that very day, Thursday, Feb. 05th seems compeling of worthiness of investigation."

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    1. Did Maura make this complaint about West Point?

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    2. yes, I just cant find where I for it from, but yes.
      - Jason Karabelas

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    3. http://findmauramurray.fr.yuku.com/topic/58/Articles-The-Mysterious-1AM-Call

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  8. Call me a blind fruitloop but is this Maura? The girl in the white

    http://www.west-point.org/family/mem2004/images/ppw/hop8.jpg

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    1. The forehead/nose area looks a little off. And the girl looks a tad short (she even looks like she is standing on her tippy toes) to be Maura. The other girl that you can't see her face, what you can see looks close.

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