Sunday, November 29, 2015

Domino's Pizza and What Was Maura Doing on Friday?

I'm reviewing Maura Murray's cell phone records in the days leading up to her disappearance and I've notice a couple interesting details.

1. Maura calls Dominos Pizza a lot. I know, she's a college student. They eat a lot of pizza, right? But on Wednesday night, Feb 4, Maura calls Dominos at midnight and speaks to someone for five minutes. Then, she calls back ten minutes later and speaks to someone there for another three minutes.

The next day is Thursday, that's when she had a nervous breakdown while working the security desk at Melville Hall. She spoke to her sister, Kathleen, at 10:10 p.m. Then she spoke to Billy at seven minutes after midnight. After that is when Maura was escorted back to her dorm. Then, at 3:40 a.m. she calls that Domino's Pizza number again and speaks for 2 minutes. If Domino's has the same schedule it does now, it was supposed to close at 3 a.m. that night. But she called and spoke to someone there for a couple minutes.

After this call, Maura does not use her cell phone again until 6:13 p.m. Is the phone off? Is she away from it?

2. We're at Friday now, February 6. School is canceled due to snow. Where is Maura until 6:13 that night? Why isn't she using the cell phone on her day off? Who is she with?

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  1. I'm curious if she wasn't calling to talk to someone who worked there rather than ordering pizza. I would think whoever closed would still be there 40 minutes after closing time to clean up. Although she could have paid cash if she was ordering pizza, has anyone checked her credit card (or any she stole) for Dominos charges?

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  2. James, has it been absolutely confirmed that the number belonged to domino's in 2004?

    As for her whereabouts Friday and the dead time in her cell records, she might simply have been sleeping. She was in a tough program and working two jobs and thus maybe behind on her sleep. She was up very late. When classes were cancelled, it gave her time to sleep. Lots of college students, particularly those who drink and party, sleep into the afternoon if they don't have classes. So, suppose she woke up at 1:00 pm, lazily got showered and dressed, went to a dining hall, tried to study a bit ...

    I'm not saying it happened that way. But at first glance the lack of activity until 6 pm does not necessarily suggest anything peculiar to me.

    Another possibility: she was dating someone who worked at domino's. They closed at 3, but he was there until 4 closing down and cleaning. Then they spent time together - maybe talking about whatever was upsetting her - and she does not get to sleep until 8 am. It is possible.

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  3. I think Maura was having a fling with the Pizza delivery guy that was also a mechanic. Good possibility that this guy was using the Saturn to deliver pizza and Maura was wondering where her car was at 3 am.

    Also wondering if this guy was in on the CC fraud.?



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    1. Maybe the pizza delivery guy hit Vasi with Maura's car?

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    2. Well darn!

      If she was having a fling with a pizza delivery boy and he was borrowing her car for deliveries (and he's possibly a mechanic who stuffs rags in tailpipes too), I'm thinking he might have hit Petrit in route to a delivery. Dominoes has to give you free pizza if their delivery is late.

      This shady pizza boy is no doubt behind the CC fraud.

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    3. If he was delivering pizzas with her car, I'd bet be hit Vasi with the Saturn.

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    4. It could be something simple, ordering food for a late night party.

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    5. It could explain the credit card theft very well if she was seeing a delivery driver from there because back then thy would still have to take your credit card at the door I don't know what it's called but they would rub it on that paper that would leave the imprints on it.

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  4. Even though this is before iphones and most people had a shitty phone, It is a little strange a college girl would go that long without her phone, which wouldve been used solely to text/call.

    Also, Dominos didn't open a 24-hr store until 2010. And I DOUBT they've ever remained open after 3am anywhere.

    Who would be at a pizza joint after hours? What is cleanup like at thee places? Could a regular employee have legitimately been there, whom she was friends with, or was she friends with a manager?

    If those calls are personal, I can't imagine a regular employee being allowed to use the official line for such use.

    Was she friends with the manager or an employee? Is that her secret possibly love interest people throw around?

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    1. I have the latest iPhone and often go long stretches of time w/o checking it. I miss calls due to work or sleep all the time. Out of sight, out of mind. My mom is always telling me to check it more often.

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    2. Yeah, I will say that even in 2012, I routinely left my phone on my dorm, or in my bag on silent. My friends were always annoyed at how much I missed calls/texts.

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  5. She was making love with pizza delivery guy.

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    1. Now you're just throwing shade. Lol!

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  6. Who'd she call at 6:13? That's shitty you wouldn't say. lol Even if it's a boring answer.

    Wasn't Dominos a place she used a stolen credit card? Could she have been talking to them ABOUT that, even after hours, pleading not to do anything? Ok, maybe this is a weird thought. It's more likely she knew someone. I worked a late shift job in 2005 and would talk to friends in the wee hours. But on MY phone, not the company one. I think i used the company one like 2 times in 2 years for personal reasons. Though nothing big, but it's always irked me to talk on phones around other people.

    I am assuming she called the customer # for Dominos.

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    1. She used the stolen credit card at two other places but not dominos

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    2. John the police reports by Ofcr Rivera clearly state that she used the stolen cc number for purchases at Dominos for "$14.89 and $9.44 which matched the statement amount if a tip was included. A print out was requested for the report which the manager agreed to do."

      To Anonymous I find it hard to believe she was calling pleading, since it had already been taken to court and was continued. It was out of their hands.

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  7. Sleeping? Packing? Studying? I don't think it matters. She was abducted and murdered.

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    1. Bold statement and cold, you do realise her family reads these, sheesh.

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  8. I don't think it was weird to not use your phone all day at that time. Most plans had a ridiculously low amount of minutes during the day while overnight there were unlimited minutes. So that might partially explain the lack of use.
    Another thing is that she was up until at least 3:42 am and probably was asleep most of the day (especially since classes were cancelled).
    Calls placed to numbers she was concerned about her bf finding out about would have likely been from her dorm phone. So I doubt her cell phone records tell as much of the story as we see through our 2015 glasses.

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    1. I'm the same way. I mostly use my phone to call my mom or else text her. Maybe Maura really didn't use her phone a lot. Then again....I am mostly on the kindle.

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  9. Interesting article

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/on-the-trail-of-missing-persons/

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    1. Exactly. I've long thought the villain here could be mental illness. If it's caught early, the outcome is far better. If not ...

      The late teens is a vulnerable age for the onset of these diseases. MM has shown signs. Not definitive, but ...

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    2. The persons with the mental illness are those that have been covering up the real answers of this case.

      Maura did not have a mental illness, She had some stress and left to go take a load off that stress and in doing so lost her life.

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    3. Welcome "officially" aboard.

      Can't argue with that. I hope you're wrong, though. We know there are bad cops.

      Cops largely get a bad rap, moreso now in the wake of Ferguson, but hat's off to 'em. An utterly THANKLESS job.

      Remember how revered they were on 9/11? What a difference a few years makes.

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  10. She is dating a dominos employee or is getting her order declined for using stolen cards?

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    1. Or, she phoned and said they screwed up her order the day before and the manager said she could have one tonite,(it works sometimes, for free food).

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  11. She is dating a dominos employee or is getting her order declined for using stolen cards?

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  12. IMO, Maura knew someone at Dominos.
    Maura's didn't use her phone from 3:40 AM Friday morning, until 6:13 pm Friday night. She made this call after her breakdown at work.
    If Dominos closed at 3 AM, why would Maura call at 3:40 AM and speak with someone for several minutes. Most likely, after Dominos closed for the day, the workers would need to clean everything up and have it ready for when they open up again. So they would be there fir a bit after closing time. Could Maura of been calling to see if they were ready to be picked up? Or could Maura of been letting someone borrow her car to go to work/ deliver pizzas?
    Wonder if Dominos still has record of who worked there in Feb. 2004?
    I think Maura's phone went silent for those hours because she was with someone. If another guy, most likely she wouldn't of wanted Billy to be calling. Or didn't want to be bothered, while with this person.
    My sister n law, will do this. Be secretly seeing someone, or act like she broke up with this person when she didn't, so she will shut her phone off for hours . When she's done spending time with this person, she will turn her phone back on. She will give excuses why it was off. Like phone died, or left it in car
    Perhaps Maura was spending time with someone and didn't want anyone to know.

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    1. Maybe the Domino's employee was a drug contact? Maybe she wanted a little bit of weed ( or something else) to calm her nerves after her breakdown at work?

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  13. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that Maura was heading to NH that day to pursue buying a car advertised via private sale? Perhaps via Craigslist..etc.

    After all, in the days prior, she was car shopping with her Father, and he had given her the money for a car. Perhaps the post was a lure via a predator and there was no car? Or perhaps she made it there and was drugged before fleeing- hence the accident?

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    1. There is no evidence that she was in the market for a new car. Fred is the only source of that info and it has never been verified.

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    2. That's definitely the scariest theory I've heard! Don't know how likely it is but not very far fetched in my opinion.

      Likewise, she could have been lured up by a potential suitor. She could have even been heading to (or organizing) a sex party that turned violent. It would explain looking for an entire condo vs.a hotel room. I can see Maura at that point traveling to a sex party for sure.

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    3. Lured out into the middle of nowhere to crash her car into a snow bank? I'm sorry, but that theory just doesn't line up with the facts we know. If we found her car in a Wal Mart or Target parking lot then it would be a different story.

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    4. There would be a paper trail if she was planning on buying a car via private sale. Either phone records to the person she was intending to buy a car from, or emails if it was something like Craigslist.

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    5. Fred says he brought but didn't give her the money. That's the weird part.

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    6. Fred has said that the $4000 is still in a bank account that Maura will have access to, even today. According to Fred, Maura did not have the $4000 with her, but who knows if that is the truth.

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  14. Maura had two phones? One was pay as you go?

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    1. I think it's a good possibility she had a trac phone on top of the phone she got from Billy.

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    2. I have to agree....IF Maura was running, She more than likely had an alternative resource to keep in contact with people in the know.

      It certainly seems plausible that this could be true.

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    3. Did she have a landline in her dorm room? Most dorm rooms at the time did, I believe. She definitely could have had a pay as you go phone too.

      I think it's fair to guess that she was using some other phone line as a means of communication if we follow the theory that she was planning a trip with the in tandem driver.

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  15. The answer is obvious: she called Domino's to see if it was open - it either had an automated answering system or someone picked up after a few rings to tell her they were closed. I wouldn't read into this whatsoever as it was such a brief call.

    The other Dominos calls were probably her placing an order (if you get put on hold, it's easily 5 mins). Maybe she changed her mind on her order or wondered where it was after 10 mins, Again, I wouldn't read into this.

    As for being without her phone/not using her phone, that IS slightly odd in my opinion.

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  16. Maybe all the pizza was related to her eating disorder. Binge/purge cycle...or something of that nature.

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  17. James, I went back and looked at the phone records and was a bit confused which number was Freds. Can you make a post that details her phone calls with Fred. Times and length in relation to her accidents and other events. I am extremely interested to see those details. If you had already posted this, please someone provide a link.

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  18. employee records are required to be kept for years. Domino's may have employee files showing who was employed there in Feb 2004 ... possibly giving LE or a PI an opportunity to speak to the person M was interacting with in those days before Rte 112. Or at the least, maybe jog a manager's/former manager's memory due to the publicity the case received at the time.

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  19. The Dominos angle is worth checking out at least. Any chance that Dominos has the records still of who was working on these nights?

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  20. They may for tax purposes etc. I think tax records only have to be kept 7yrs but...... they might get lucky. Even more so ~ jog people's memoriesssssss. Maybe locals remember a relative (or male or female) that worked there at the time. Gutta shake the sand to find the gold.

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  21. She is alleged to have a eating disorder. It's not strange to Bing and purge during high moments of stress. She probbaly called and ordered a pizza. Maybe she called back for a clarification to the order. Maybe she was using a stolen number again and there were issues with it. Doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. I'm sure the police called them.

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  22. I believe somewhere on this blog it was mentioned by a previous person familiar with the area that Domino's was open until 4am in 2004. Also, I know what I would be doing on that Friday given the fact I was up all night and that would be sleeping the day away.

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  23. According to my dad who worked at Domino's back in the 80's:

    She probably knew the manager. Domino's doesn't like people working too long after closing so as to not pay people extra. The phones aren't answered after closing, and if they are, it's usually the manager who answers it—if. Workers are highly discouraged from answering the phone after closing. Those working that late after closing, aside from the manager, are the delivery boys who take out the very last order and might take 30+ to return to the restaurant. One hour tops is the time after closing that workers stay to clean up and leave.

    My theory: Maura knew the manager or a delivery guy.

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  24. I was a UMass student from 2000-2004 and I am almost positive that the Hadley Domino's was open until 4am, at least on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. The wait times were often long during the late hours, and it wasn't uncommon to sit on hold for a few minutes or even just call back a few minutes later and try again.

    Also, instant messenger was huge back then. I don't think it's that unusual to have gone so long without using her cell phone or dorm phone, especially on a snow day where she probably didn't leave campus. I know that if I was in my dorm room or apartment, I was most likely using AIM to make plans and talk with friends rather than a landline or cell phone.

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    1. I agree with your note about instant messenger. AIM was huge around this time period and it was the best way for young people to communicate before texting. Is her computer still in custody? I bet if her AIM chat logs could be accessed, the results would be illuminating.

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    2. Yep, agree 100%. I was a college student from '01-'04. I had a Trac Phone which I used sparingly and made all other calls using calling cards from my dorm landline. AIM was definitely my most-used communication method on campus. I don't find the lull all that interesting. I really wish we had more records to compare it to, as I want to know if it was unusual for HER. I can only compare my own experience and infer things otherwise.

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  25. You will never come up with the right answer of a math problem when you make a numbers mistake at the beginning. If all the scenario's dont go anywhere ~ then start from scratch, again. Go back to all the things DO know - not the speculations....

    The REAL obstacle is LE has basically labeled this case as an intentional disappearance aka No crime has been committed. So whats left? Some absolute facts, lots of theories, & family, college friends, & locals who wont give details to help tie things together. *WHY* They are the A Team.

    .....So what do you do? You go AROUND them. Go to the B team. People that arent considered main "characters" ^5 JR ;) People that were THERE during the whole PRE. Rte 112 & thereafter. People that may not even know they know something until you ENGAGE them..... And there are lots of B Team players. Then you may find out WHY the A Team isnt giving it their all.....

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  26. When I was in college I worked at a pizza place that was open late. Closing took about an hour. While I was working there, one of my coworkers was also a drug dealer on the side. Is there any possibility Maura used drugs? Perhaps that's why her friends didn't want to talk — an admission to using drugs on campus could have resulted in their expulsion / jeopardized future careers.

    I can't get it out of my mind that even the most obliterated drunk girl would have a hard time crashing a car straight into the guard rail of a T intersection on accident. That's not an easy turn to just "miss". Unless, perhaps you're not drunk, you're on drugs? Major speculation, I know, just asking.

    Also, when she was on the phone with her sister prior to the breakdown, was she at her desk working, or was that maybe when she took her break? Again, this is speculation, but after hearing about FM's adult magazines with the young girls in it, I'm wondering if that breakdown was maybe actually a breakthrough. Like maybe after years of repression, the "boy stuff" she and her sister talked about that night exposed some repressed memories involving her dad. I'd be curious to hear a mental health professional give a hypothetical profile of a girl who's been molested by her father. Extreme closeness, sexually acting out / promiscuity maybe?

    For those who might read this and want to knock me for dragging Fred's possibly clean name through mud, I have this to say: I would be really sad to find out that he was innocent and put through this additional agony. However, if it were my daughter who went missing and I wasn't involved, I wouldn't even think to have a lawyer by my side before I started telling investigators anything I could to help them find her. Even if I ran the risk of saying something that could be interpreted as self-incriminating. In a missing person's case, every minute counts.

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    1. Sorry, I had the same idea about a drug dealer and posted upthread, but hadn't read your post yet. I think it's an idea worth pursuing.

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  27. Could she have had a deal with a friend working at Dominos, wherein he/she would use the stolen card to charge amounts from previously made orders, and then they would take that amount out of the till. Quick cash withdrawal--for beer or something when she was short on cash. Maybe if she knew the manager, and the manager was in on it, she figured she could get away with it.

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  28. I wonder if any of the "characters" have a stint at Dominoes on their linkedin page?

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  29. I WONDER IF Dominoes would tell you who closed that night? Plus pizza is one of the easier foods to throw up if your bulemic.

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  30. I am about the same age as Maura and I was also in college during the time she disappeared, so I can relate to this a bit. I dated someone who worked at a 7-Eleven near my school and it was very typical of me to call the store phone to talk to him (actually I never even bothered to call his cell while he was working, it was just easier to call the store). So I think it could be possible that she was calling the pizza place to talk to someone. Also, as someone mentioned, people didn't spend nearly as much time on their phones back then as they do now, minutes were cheaper to use at night, and many college students sleep through the day after staying up late. Just things to think about.

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