Sunday, November 22, 2015

Fred's Stories About the $4,000 Do Not Make Sense

This $4,000. I just... I just don't know what to make of this.

Fred shows up in Amherst the weekend before Maura disappears with $4,000 in cash. Allegedly this is going to go toward a new car for Maura. Forget the fact that it makes more sense to write a check. Or the fact that nobody remembers them talking about getting a new car that day. What was he doing dropping that money on a car when his house is about to be foreclosed on for delinquent taxes that very week?

Fred, himself, told Boston magazine that he visited 8 different ATMs to withdrawal the money on his way to UMass, instead of walking in and withdrawing from a teller. This, too, seems to be a lie and I don't know how it benefits him.

Massachusetts banks, like all banks, put a cap on cash withdrawals. There's usually an $800 cap per ATM (this is due to the machine not being able to spit out a stack of 20s any bigger than that). But there's also a daily cap. According to a representative with Citizens Bank, that cap is $1,000. There is no way to withdraw more than that, even using multiple ATMs unless you call customer service and give them a reason to increase the limit for that day. And if you did this, you could just withdraw from the same ATM.

The only easy way to do that is to withdraw the money in chunks over a series of several days.

There's no mention that Fred ever called the bank. He doesn't mention this in his statement to police and he doesn't mention this tidbit to the Boston mag reporter.

It's very interesting, especially in light of the recent statement by a family spokesperson who said that after the disappearance, Fred put the $4,000 into an account that Maura had access to, in case she needed it.

What that really tells us is that Maura had access to Fred's bank accounts even before she disappeared.

C'mon, man. What's going on with the money?

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  1. I always assumed he pulled from multiple accounts and I assumed he had some money scattered around because of his tax delinquency case. Hes obviously got issues with money management.

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  2. It's possible because of other financial troubles he was withdrawing money in that way to avoid Currency transaction reports, or even a Suspicious activity report. While they are required for transactions over 10k, when you are working in the bank you are supposed to watch for customers that appear to be structuring their transactions to avoid these reports. So they can also be done for smaller amounts if the bank staff feels it's necessary. Going to several different banks would keep one bank from picking up the multiple transactions right away. Even a very large bank in 2004 wouldn't flag those transactions as "suspicious". Nowadays they would most likely pick it up as structuring and a the report might be generated automatically even at a pretty small bank. Whether this is related to Maura or is just how he conducts his business is really the mystery.

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  3. I still think that the money was for some sort of hush money whether it be Petrit Vasi, another CC fraud or something along those lines. He said they found a car they wanted but didn't have enough money. If that is the case, then you put the 4k down as a deposit and come back or you write a check or put the balance on CC .

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    1. JWB, I am with you. I tend to think that the Vasi connection has been too readily dismissed. I've looked closely at the timing of events. Given that Maura's upset almost certainly was not spurred by a cell phone call, one really has to wonder. When you consider the mysterious $4k and the the fact that Fred most likely fabricated the story about picking up Kate in "a student lot" one really, really must wonder what was going on.

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    2. I agree. Another reason that I tend to believe this is because Fred lets Maura take his new car right after she is picking out alcohol to bring to a party?

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    3. I agree, the Vasi connection was dismissed too quickly.
      Way too many quincendances to not look at this as a reason for disappearing.
      Definetly is a reason for someone to run.. It wasn't known if Vasi would survive. Either way the charge is a pretty big one.. Vehicular homicide/manslaughter , leaving the scene of an accident with injuries, and whatever other charges that could be added .
      It does make one wonder What was going on and why so much secrecy?

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  4. That does point to nefarious things. Banks are typically strict with how much you can withdraw in a 24 hour period.

    How much are abortions in that area?

    You might not want to publish this so the abortion comment doesn't make people's minds go crazy with more theories.

    But has anyone thought of maybe the reason Fred was there was because Maura knew she was pregnant and was freaking out because she wanted to end things with Billy. OR she was freaking out because she had no idea who the father was, or she did and she felt stuck?

    Actually, the more I think about this, the more a potential abortion makes sense.

    My friend had one in high school. I believe it was only about $800 though.

    That Murray woman on facebook said the money went to an account she could access but never did.

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    1. I agree. An abortion makes the most sense to me. Some argue, why would she travel to do this when she could do it right where she is...REALLY?? Most women are ashamed and do not want to be judged, especially when their own judgement is already crippling them. If it were me, I would certainly go far away, so there is NO chance of anyone knowing or seeing me. I would also need and want some time away before and after..to think, recover and pull myself together before returning to everyday life. So what better place to go then the White Mountains?? As for the cost, no it doesn't take 4,000 for an abortion but I do know after researching, the cost increases the further along you are. I know of one example that was almost 3,000. I also know that alot of these clinics do not perform abortions when past the first trimester. The 4,000 would cover the abortion and a place to stay for a few days along with misc expenses such as food. This to me makes sense more then anything else. This in my opinion is the big "secret" that the family and friends don't want out. Would you?? Its certainly not anything to brag about and it certainly doesn't add anything positive to an already tarnished image of Maura. If Maura didn't want it exposed then, why do you think she would want it exposed now?? Even if they(the family) told us, would it make a difference ??... Meaning is there a chance of a different outcome?...probably not. I'm guessing that is why they keep it secret. Obviously when the accident occurred, her plans were deturred. Its the only scenario that makes since. This is what the girls, were doing the night of the so called party, discussing annd planning. Fred probably knew just not all the details which explains Sara telling him the full story. It all results in showing Maura that last bit of respect they feel she deserves after her life/image has been distorted in every possible way...after Most likely being murdered for no reason but making a fateful decision one way or another. Its hard for people to understand, I know but maybe it's not meant for us to understand and that is just their point.

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    2. The only way an abortion will be done after the 1 st trimester is if something is wrong with the baby. And yes it can cost quite a bit.
      I had a lady that worked with me and her baby had down syndrome, and she opted for a late abortion. We live in Florida and she had to travel to Georgia to have it done.

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    3. I don't think so, I disagree. There doesn't have to be something medically wrong to have an abortion past the 1st trimester. Its a woman's choice. I too had a friend considering abortion back in 2007 and went to the clinic with her. We/she had no idea how far along she was until the ultrasound by them that visit. We found out she was 16 weeks and were told that they did not perform abortions past the 1st trimester. In fact, we were told , like you, the closest place would be a town in GA. We live in TN. She ended up not going through with it but we were gonna have to travel out of state. As I stated before, it could explain a significant part of the $4,000. Add to that a place to stay for a week or so and misc expenses. I don't know why everyone dismisses this so fast? ? It explains the money, the secrecy, death in family email, the breakdown and so called erratic behaviour..maybe even the urgency ..Fred could've been rushing decision along , "I'm coming with the money so be getting your plan together, your doing this now before it's found out or goes any further." Just imagine the overall grief, shame, sadness of giving up a baby that way .. I just feel she might have been trying to live her life according to others, doing their will instead of her own, trying to make others happy ... I think she may of got in the wrong car that night or went to the wrong house. If she did have that $4,000, someone became $4,000 richer and might have suddenly changed their spending habits ..Been able to afford and do things out of the ordinary..just a thought, something the cops could've been paying attention to then. And It could be why there are NO real answers about where this money went...Maybe just maybe Maura had this money all along and it's one of the things police did not want to release to the public. They never tell us everything and this could be one of the things in the case kept quiet for whatever reason. As previously stated, someone spending out of context could cause suspicion upon that person. It doesn't make sense them (family/Helena) saying Fred put it back in an account?? One that Maura could access if she needed It?? What?? If she had access to the account in the 1st place then why go to 8 different places to withdraw on the way to see her?? I don't see how buying a car suddenly qualified as an emergency. Was that the maximum he would or wanted to spend? It means something or he wouldn't have brought it up in the first place, but what? Many options available upon finding a car.. It really doesn't make sense. But again , as you already asked James, why in the world bring it up if it didn't happen that way? I have no flippin idea and as others stated don't think it's even possible to do that. If not, he had to have known people would know that...and it would be questioned and challenged as it is now. Even if, we are back at why would you?? For a car that is, when you have other options and why that amount? If he did withdraw it that way, only reason to do that would be for an emergency. Buying a car isn't one. And if was for an abortion, why the urgency, meaning dad having to withdraw money that way?.she could've just found out and just decided to act quickly..?? Maybe it was mutual decision (her & dad) and she was told Im bringing the money now and you will take care of this immediately??

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    4. I work in banking specifically ATM/debit card fraud. There are often daily withdraw limits for ATMs, to limit the banks exposure to a financial loss. I've never seen a limit high enough to allow $4,000 to be taken out in a single day, typically its under $1,000 daily for ATM based transactions.

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  5. To Freds defense, Banks normally close at noon on Saturdays and he was unable to go into a teller after noon.

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    1. On the other hand, if you are picking up the car right away, you can write a personal check at a car lot.

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    2. sorry .. NOT picking up the car right away ...

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  6. His house being foreclosed yet he has this money. Hmmm. I smell some sort of scandal in how he got it.

    I see why you might think she ran away, to avoid family shit, to avoid her own shit, her sister was into drug shit.

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    1. To be clear, I believe it was really his brother's house. By the time it was subjected to the collector's lien, he was no longer living there and - I believe - it was in his brother's name.

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  7. So has there been any car dealerships coming forward to say these two were at their place? If the money was redeposited, let's see a bank statement (recent or past) to prove it.

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  8. ....in light of everything now know ~ the $4000 for a new used car doesnt pass the straight face test. there are always basically (5) talking points. 1 is a l w a y s follow the money.

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  9. Pretty obvious to me that Maura stole his card and the money. He found out later that the money was gone when Maura was missing and lied that he took it out himself so the police wouldn't think she was a runaway.

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    1. WoW.....Ya really took the leap there didn't ya..?

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    2. Did the police ever check who made those withdrawals at the ATMs to see if it was Fred or Maura?

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    3. Maybe the missing money was the reason Fred went to see Maura that weekend. Maybe he went there to confront her and get it back because he needed it badly. Maybe she told him she needed a new car because hers had died, which is why she was driving his car that weekend instead of her own. All the while, she had other plans for that money.

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    4. Well, I think you're on to something there.

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  10. Folks we CAN'T and SHOULDN'T discount the eye witness testimony regarding the red truck with MA plates lurking in the area looking for someone. This was clearly the person meant to pick her up, and not a malicious person. All of this was well planned with red herrings all over the place. I believe the bus driver threw a wrench in the plan and forced the red truck to retreat to the store. The person in the red truck thought Maura would probably head towards the store and when that person realized she wasn't heading that way that's when the red truck drives off in the direction of the "crash" site. You really think a person from MA followed her all the way and she didn't notice? And then the fricken rag in the tailpipe? I mean comon this isn't brain surgery. Look at the damage on her car, not consistent at all with hitting a snow bank and riding it up hitting a tree. By late winter snow becomes heavily compressed along the roadside and you can basically drive up it. Now compare that to the damage on her car. It was staged and she was meant to be scooped up but the bus driver threw a temporary wrench in the plan.

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    1. I agree, the Red truck was dismissed way to quickly. What a quincendance of a red truck with Mass plates, lurking around like they are looking for someone. And then Maura who was from Massachusetts disappeared. At some point, all these quincendances can't just be a quincendance.
      I agree, I don't think they expect the bus driver to be driving down the rd at 7:27 pm.
      Also the Butson sighting an hour before the wreck with Maura and two friends. Fred knew about this sighting for years but never spoke of it. Why??? If the public would of known this 11.5 years ago, more people might of saw something and came forward. Perhaps someone saw the vehicle they were in. But nope Fred didn't think this was important of enough to release to the public/ media..

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    2. Good points! Especially as the witness who has always said it sounded like her car accelerated before impact.

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    3. Agree that we cannot overlook the red truck. Absolutely agree. Do not agree, however, that it was necessarily not driven by a person with nefarious intent. One member of LE up there whom I talked with offered that there are a lot of volunteer fireman and EMS personnel up there with scanners and they gravitate toward accidents and events that get dispatched. He subscribes to Fred's dirtbag theory.

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    4. You cannot overlook american model thousand dollar cars. They make excellent cheap dirtbag haulers during the floods. A local has a dirtbag subscription via his Ford Fiesta.

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    5. At anonymous.... I'm really nice I swear and I'm only trying to help ( and partly aid my pet peeve).... It's coincidence. Think: two incidents that co exist or "coincide", hence, coincidence :)

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  11. With all due respect I myself and a few people I know have paid for used cars upfront in cash. In fact some used car lots that deal in low priced prefer cash only as they know they are getting their money instead of a check possibly bouncing. Who's also to say that Fred did not have multiple bank accounts that he withdrew money from to get to that 4000 dollars. Also since there was solid evidence that a crime had taken place the police may have suggested to Fred that he redeposit the money into an account Maura had access to in an attempt to see if she tried to access the money as that could possibly tell them where she was or is.

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    1. I knew someone who would actually use having cash as a ploy to get a cheaper price. We'll use the $4000 as an example. They would tell the salesman they only had, say $3500 on them, pull the cash out of one pocket to show it while leaving the other $500 in another pocket. If the salesman wouldn't budge, they'd say "Well, I have to go to the bank to get the other $500". They'd go have lunch, then go back and buy the car.

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  12. Also those 2 days Amherst got a pretty bad snow storm. Enough to cancell classes at UMASS for safety. (A new England school used to handling snowfall). Banks may have closed early as well ; ATM machines might have been easier. One could also argue what could possibly so important to TREK to western Massachusetts in white knuckle driving weather?

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    1. Hi JJ. Nice to see you back.

      I had wondered about this... so he took the long slow way, with lots of stops at banks, to UMASS on a bad weather Saturday. Sounds odd.

      But then I checked the actual weather record for that week in Amherst.

      http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCEF/2004/2/6/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Amherst&req_state=MA&req_statename=Massachusetts&reqdb.zip=01002&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

      It looks like there was light snow early in the day on Friday, a very brief period of heavy snow - for less than an hour in the 9 o'clock hour - followed by light snow again, freezing rain by mid afternoon, then rain in the late afternoon and evening.

      It seems not at all unlikely that UMASS might have cancelled classes in anticipation of the precipitation. But this may not have amounted to a major snow storm in New England. It may not have prevented a life long New Englander from making that drive.

      There was no snow on Saturday.

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  13. Wow. All speculation. No facts. I'm more inclined to think Fred won that money playing bunco and is running from the bunco squad than that Maura withdrew it and Fred's covering it up for her. Sorry...my humble $0.02

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  14. Am I missing something here? I just simply am not understanding what the importance of this money is.

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  15. Good Sir! On the MMM podcast, whyever did you give Maura 60:40 odds? <_<

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  16. I worked for People's Bank in Bridgeport, CT in the 2000s and the DAILY cap was $400. The branches inside Stop and Shop were open until 4pm every Sat & Sun. Not saying his account was there, but why on EARTH would he do that????

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  17. I'm with you on this Lily. Seems like the most logical explanation.

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  18. One thought. It's interesting how his story was he was going to search for a new car because hers was old and problematic. Before she got into a couple accidents, the final one leaving her car behind to mysteriously vanish.

    People don't get into accidents on purpose. The one in Haverill sounds like it could've legitimately been because it was dark and she MIGHT have been driving too quickly or whatever. Curvy roads are a bitch in even daylight.

    idk but the car shopping story added to the multiple accidents is the weirdest part for me.

    Do we think the family's personal scandals created enemies and Maura became a victim?

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  19. I think it's stupid to examine a family's personal lives. Everyone has drama of that nature, save the criminal aspect, which are rarer.

    I think that because there are other cases where women go missing in that area and AROUND THE SAME TIME EVEN, she was nabbed by a psychopath/mystery person.

    I think she just needed an escape from her problems and that she intended to sort it all out when she returned. Sure, she packed her shit like she was leaving school early, which points to not wanting to return to Mass at least that year. A lot happened there for her and she quite likely wanted to redo college.

    Alternate Scenario: She goes to NH for her mini getaway to clear her head. She doesn't get into any accidents. She hikes and does what she intended to do at her final destination. She returns to Mass at her family's home, where her shit was brought when someone picked it up from her dorm room. She sets herself on another life path that doesn't involve uMASS scandals and those friends.

    That explains her packing her stuff up prior to the trip.

    If she planned on returning to UMass, she wouldn't have packed up. It was Feb, second semester was 5-6 week in.
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    New thought. Now, pregnancy adds a kink into the line. Even with typical family dysfunction, (no her family is no different from any other. Sorry to say), I CANT see her not telling them where she was going has she actually run away to begin a new life with a new SSN# and everything.

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  20. Did the police try to get the ATM video of Fred's transaction and what day did he really start withdrawing the money?
    It would give a better timeline if we knew the exact dates of the ATM withdrawals.
    I don't see how he withdrew that much money in a day or two. I have a limit on my bank account, in which a lot of people do. 500 to 1000.00 limit a day
    Did they have cash back in 2004? If so, maybe it wasn't all ATM withdrawals. Perhaps they went to many different stores and got cash back.
    If two people are on an account, have two different cards, could both cards pull a large sum of money out? Or is the limit on the bank account.
    Maura's phone was shut off at 4:37 pm on Monday and was never turned back on. Maura or someone knew the phone could be tracked. Why would she withdraw money from an account, where she could be tracked if she's alive?
    Why would Fred put all that money in an account, when he was losing the house to unpaid taxes?
    The whole story about this makes no sense. Withdrawl the money from 8 different ATMs , instead of going inside a bank and getting the money in one transaction, or write a check. Then no new car is bought, no one remembers seeing them, and friends said Maura didn't mention getting a new car. Now the money was put in an account Maura had access to, in case she needed it. Fred claims a local dirtbag took Maura and harmed her, so why would she need access to an account, if she needed it.
    Does Fred know Maura is alive but not where she is?
    Perhaps Maura stole the money from Fred, and he's covering for her.
    I don't think they were car shopping on Sat just like I don't believe there was a party Sat. Night.
    IMO, the money was for Maura to runaway and start a new life, and/ or hush money.

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    1. Her phone was shut off Monday at 4:37? Wasn't aware of that. Very strange.

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  21. Personal story: My freshman year of college I was going through some slightly tense things, though nothing major. It DID have to do with a breakup though, at least in part.

    For spring break, I drove 1200 miles to Tennessee and explored. It was an area I had never been but wanted to visit and clear my head.

    I told 2 roommate. DIdn't even tell my parents.

    Compare that with the basics of this.

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    1. The basics might seem similar, but an important potential difference:

      Had you disappeared during your trip to Tennessee, would your two roommates have told your parents where you went and why? Would they have told the police whatever the knew about where you were heading and why?

      That's where Maura's story diverges from the average young person trying to get away from a couple of days. There is more going on here. People aren't being 100% forthcoming in what they know. The stories being told about the days leading up to her disappearance are full of sketchy details that don't add up, or can't be verified.

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    2. i have to wonder too about you choosing to go somewhere new and Maura choosing an area that had been familiar to her growing up. i could be wrong of course but going somewhere new to me says you want adventure, you want something good in the midst of the dark times. a new place on your own isn't necessarily comforting--quite the opposite, exciting and an adrenaline rush. going somewhere familiar means you don't want to have fun per se but you do want comfort, to remind you of a time in your life when you were happy.

      Perhaps your trip rejuvenated you, gave you a sense of power and strength that you could conquer whatever was going on in your life. whereas Maura's was to be in a place she finally felt peace and comfort to figure out her next move...either starting a new life or passing on to the next one hereafter.

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  22. I don't think the oddity of the podcasters' accounts being hacked should be ignored.

    THAT doesn't NOT point to a planned runaway. It points to Maura ending up a victim in a potentially big operation or crime orchestrated by mastermind criminals. Hacking isn't too hard, but it does take skill. And those small town areas are ALWAYS rife with scandals of this nature.

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    1. Maybe it was hacked by some curious lurker on this blog as James stated that the podcasters were aware of the info he had that he wasn't revealing.

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    2. Tell us more about how easy it is to do. What skills do you need?

      Or do you just need social engineering skills to make your dupes believe their email was hacked an excuse for your own simple prank?

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    3. I don't think they were hacked. I think the one person they told other than James did it. That is the simplest explanation.

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  23. I'm wondering if her dissaperance is related to a Bigfoot sighting about 15 miles from Conway, NH in 2002. That's only 30 miles or so from where she went missing.

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  24. A couple thoughts here.

    I called Planned Parenthood directly and asked how much an abortion is now, for a college student with no money. She told me 300$ with some sort of grant they give you from donations. I don't think the 4k was for an abortion.

    Secondly, if the 4k was for Petrit, wouldn't she have come back now that he's stated several times he doesn't remember anything?

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    1. "wouldn't she have come back now that he's stated several times he doesn't remember anything? "

      not necessarily. could've been another/the last straw in the shitpile her life had become. so running away maybe wasn't solely because of him and thus him not remembering anything still wouldn't bring her back. besides, what a horrible guilt-stricken thing to have to keep in your mind and heart even if nobody else knows. perhaps it's easier to live with it in a totally new place with strangers.
      not saying this is my own belief, but just another possible scenario

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  25. Fred's comments make sense in the following scenario:

    Maura had access to Fred's checking/savings account. Maura stole the money (or made withdrawals on several occasions without permission), and Fred drove to UMass that weekend in order to confront her and get the money back. Maura gave it back, and Fred deposited it back into the same account. Maura never withdrew money from that account again.

    And of course, in this scenario, Fred covers up for Maura by saying he withdrew the cash himself.

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  26. Yes podcasters were hacked by a listener, observer of the case... not by locals or LI. I do not think she is alive.

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  27. According to a 2003-2004 calendar from UMass's website, spring semester started January 28--just a week and a half before Maura went missing.

    http://www.umass.edu/senate/sites/default/files/2003-2004-Academic-Calendar.pdf (I found this by Googling "umass amherst 2003-2004 school year.")

    In light of that, is it possible that some of the "packing" of her belongings was her just *not being unpacked* so early in the semester?

    Also, regarding the used car story: on the post with the list of Billy's & Maura's cell phone calls, Maura called some place called Reliance Auto (a used car store) on February 7. Is that any kind of proof that maybe the story wasn't 100% a lie? (I know on another post someone said they'd determined Petrit Vasi's landlord owned Reliance, which, if true, is a strange coincidence... or another story altogether...)

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    1. I always wonder about this as well. If maura did hit Petrit Vasi and did not know his landlord owned Reliance Auto. Maybe she took the car there for damage appraisal and that's when the shake down started. Maybe the owner put 2 + 2 together. I also see a lot of middle eastern names specifically Iranian students. There are have been a lot of recent articles about UMASS denying student VISAs from Iran specifically into programs of engineering and polymer sciences. As these students could learn nuclear basics here and return to Iran and possibly be a threat to our national security in the future. Maybe someone else could shed some light. In 2004 was there a lot of Iranian students at UMASS. The owner of Reliance Auto on MANTRA has a middle eastern name. Did he rent his off campus houses to Iranian and middle eastern students. Did they have a fraternity or a party house where Maura and Petrit might have crossed paths? Could she have been afraid of retribution from his friends? Could the owner of Reliance been paid or blackmailing her because he figured it out ? The Vasi hit fits so perfect on the time line Thursday night. Add a fight with her Dad Sunday night wrecking his car. And the letter Maura Murray is not a missing person. It was written and analyzed by several people. It seems to be written in correct tense by someone in the know. Then add the fact that it was deleted so quickly by the person who posted it. If it was a hoax or somebody just raving their theory as fact it wouldn't have been deleted so quickly. The IP address was traced to Taunton MA area , I think it was deleted so quickly due to pressure of Maura herself or other family members who probably know it resonates with truth. Would like more insight on international students at UMASS in 2004. If they were fraternity like , she could of been scared and breaking a fraternity s code of silence could be difficult. I think the secret Kate and Sarah know is her car at very least was involved with Petrit Vasi. And obviously people that would know would be pushing a suicidal unplanned pregnancy agenda to get you away from the truth. I still feel like her Dad probably knows why she left. But they had such a fight Sunday night over her cracking up his car she was punishing her Dad as well. The quicker this book goes to print ; I really think a Lifetime movie or a real screen play will be made based on the book. Then more answers will come out. As more people become fascinated in the cold case.

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    2. The owner of Reliance Auto : Amir Mikhachi seems to be well respected and an advocate for Iranian International Students. If this is the same person he is listed here in a current article as UMASS deals with the controversial subject .

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    3. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/iranian-student-who-triggered-umass-dispute-fights-return-n311851

      I think this is Reliance Auto owner Amir Mihachi.

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  28. I don't believe that Fred had that much of a vested interest in the Weymouth Property. He inherited the home from his parents along with his brother Daniel. Daniel was the primary owner on the property and the tax assessment and bill were both sent to Daniel according to town records. Fred may not have even known about the tax delinquency. Also Fred was someone that contracted his services to hospitals and his time in the area would have been limited. Even after the death of Daniel it does not appear by town records and documents that Fred has tried to claim the property. He just let it go. The $4000.00 being used for the taxes doesn't seem like even a thought with Fred. It still doesn't answer why he had $4000 cash.

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  29. I think Vasi was Albanian, not sure if it matters or not.
    Even if Maura didn't hit him, the Reliance Auto guy might have thought she did somehow and threatened her, causing her to run.

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    1. He might be a good person to reach out to for comment. He appears to be a pretty legitimate business man. I wonder if he even knows about this case.

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    2. I agree, JJ. How much you wanna bet nobody's talked to him?

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    3. Yeah the coincidence that He was Vasi s Landlord is got my gut antenna up. He seems to be legitimate well respected, in business for some time. I would respect comment from him for sure.

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  30. I think cash for a car is strange, but I don't think it's implausible that he had multiple accounts, all of which he could draw on to take out a total of $4000. I have many accounts. One is a joint checking account, one is my own checking account. I have a savings account with that bank that has back-up in case we overdraw one of the checking accounts, and a larger, higher-interesting savings account at another bank. I also have a mutual fund with the first bank that I believe I can access via my ATM card (though I have never tried). Between all of those accounts, I would not have much trouble getting $4,000. Also, if he deposited $4,000 dollars into an account that MM could access, it could have been a joint checking account that he established to make getting money to her easy, like many parents of college students do. Just because he had a joint account with her doesn't mean he always kept all the money in it and that she could have had access to the $4,000 all along.

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