Tuesday, November 3, 2015

Halloween Episode of 'Missing Maura Murray' Podcast is Up!

Lance, Tim, and John ventured to the scene of Maura's disappearance last week and spoke to one of the witnesses for the new episode of their ongoing podcast. This one gets spooky, as someone may have compromised their email and sent anonymous threats while they were in town.

Check it out!

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  1. What do you make of the coordinates sent to you? Do you believe its someone messing with you guys?
    Has these coordinates been checked out?

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  2. Sent threats from their accounts?

    Threats often are results of classified shady dealings. Starting to think Maura made a friend at some point between her West Point and UMass stops and that friend was connected to deep shit.

    Military is EMBROILED in shady dealings to the max, as is the govt.

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    1. I was wondering about that to, whether Maura had met someone that was involved with some shady things.
      I agree the military can and will hide things.

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  3. This is starting to sound like a Military/govt cover up. If the podcasters only communicate via email, well, email isn't THAT hard to crack, but a high official would be able to easily.

    Would also explain why the cops act strangely.

    Would explain the fear tactics on there.

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  4. Her murder was a gang initiation and the cops have to tread VERY lightly?

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    1. Really....and HOW can You be certain of this statement..?

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    2. My brother is a former police officer who worked for 10 years with the county's gang unit. Granted it wasn't in NH, but a bordering state. He's been following this case, and I just had to call him to bring up this theory. He laughed, to put it lightly. He said gang initiation killings generally are easy to identify, even though their state only dealt with one in his entire time with the unit. Nothing about this disappearance has any inkling of anything gang-related. Think about the location for a moment as well. Do you think a group of gang members are going to travel up into the White Mountains, to a teeny tiny town in the middle of nowhere, to scope out a girl after a car accident? While there are gangs in every state, NH's gang problem is very mild...and they do not have issues with gangs anywhere CLOSE to where Maura was.

      Also, gangs requiring *murder* as a way to be initiated is incredibly rare...especially New England gangs. This isn't LA or NYC (I shouldn't even say that, actually. I just did a few minutes of research into gang initiations, and the LAPD have a lot of information. Even they say murder for initiation is essentially non existent these days). Even rarer is that a random woman would be targeted for this. It's almost always a rival gang member. When you hear of someone being harmed or killed during a gang murder initiation who was an innocent bystander, the VAST majority of times it was because of a stray bullet...not because they were the target.

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    3. "Think about the location for a moment as well. Do you think a group of gang members are going to travel up into the White Mountains, to a teeny tiny town in the middle of nowhere, to scope out a girl after a car accident?"

      Absolutely. While it's true that we have precious little evidence to evaluate, I find the idea that Maura's death was gang-related to be one of the more absurd theories I've heard.

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  5. That was an intense podcast. Why didn't James check out the co-ordinates himself? How has no one gone there after a year and a half.

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    1. Would you go there immediately? I would not.

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  6. Any chance Aldon Olson (Beagle) is the one sending those tweets and emails?

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  7. Could Beagle be creating those emails?

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  8. Very interesting episode.
    The days leading up to Maura's disappearance could hold clue(s) to what happened to her. Seems some don't want this angle looked into. Why???
    The e-mail with the coordinates is strange. Either someone's wanting you guys to go on a wild goose chase or there telling the tRuth.
    Have the police gone to this spot and searched?
    Could it be somebody trying to lead you guys in the wrong direction?
    I think you guys should very quietly go back to Lincoln and search where the coordinates are. Only letting people you truly trust know. And of course bring some guys that are armed.
    Did Maura listen to the Echo and the Bunny Men?
    Odd to send an email with lyrics from this song and then in the next email say " Your barking up the wrong tree with your suspicions of Fred, He'd nothing to do with it, he knows nothing.
    Why say this? In one email your talking about the killing moon came to soon and then in the next saying Fred had nothing to do with it.
    Who said Fred did? Every person and every angle needs to be looked at including Fred.
    In my opinion, I think Fred has an idea of why Maura went to New Hampshire, and knows more than what he has said. Not necessarily her disappearance but what was going on with Maura prior.
    Also odd for this person to say " You guys must know by now, she isn't alive, and your not going to find her corpse and certainly not her walking around Montreal or some small New England town in person. This is going to be a tough case to solve but good luck though.
    How does this person know she isn't alive and wont find her body? Police/ FBI needs to look into and try to find out who's sending these messages.
    Could it be shes going by a different name, living somewhere no one would expect and after Feb. 9 Maura no longer existed?
    This person says her victimology is apparent so spending so much time on her before her disappearance is wasting time.
    Seems some people don't want anyone looking into what Maura was doing prior to her vanishing. They want people to believe her actions before doesn't matter when really it could hold The clues to what happened to her. I feel there's something someone doesn't want known.
    Next they say Fred and family had nothing to do with this and know she isn't alive. So I'd be careful not to agonize them.
    How do they know she isn't alive? What do they know what happened to Maura?
    At this point, its unknown what happened to Maura at least to the police and public.
    Then this person says " I never said I knew what happened. By there own comments it seems they know what happened. They say Fred and family had nothing to do with this, Maura isn't alive, Maura isn't walking around in person, Won't find her corpse, before her disappearance doesn't matter, sure seems like there saying they know something.
    Perhaps someone is getting worried the Truth is getting close.
    So there's one person saying where her body is and another saying you'll never find her.

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    1. Just about what Tim Westman said last week when we interviewed Him.. Odd to say the least.

      "Also odd for this person to say " You guys must know by now, she isn't alive, and your not going to find her corpse and certainly not her walking around Montreal or some small New England town in person."

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    2. we interviewed him? hmmm.... :)

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  9. Murray Industrial Complex.

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    1. Am I missing something? What does this mean?

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    2. I think it's a (lame) joke. Like a play on the words "military industrial complex."

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  10. how much is a illegal abortion. 4000$ ? (death in the family)
    Was she going to meet someone to help her with that? she did that search on internet, drinking when pregnant.

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    1. Why would she need an illegal abortion if she was pregnant? It was 2004, not 1904.

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    2. In order to keep it off the books to keep it a secret.

      (Recall the Sons of Anarchy scene where Lyla did that, and much to the dismay of many viewers called herself "Sarah Palin," and Tara nearly did so but didn't; they were trying to not leave a paper trail so that Opie and Jax wouldn't find out.)

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    3. "In order to keep it off the books to keep it a secret."

      Oh please. I find this "illegal abortion" theory so insanely ridiculous. I think people seem to have this misconception that there's some central database of "permanent" medical record that follows you around. Will there be in the future? Absolutely (we're getting to that with electronic medical records). But this was 2004. Almost all doctors records were still done via paper/folder. No one would know she had an abortion unless she told them (and that includes even her primary care doctor!). She was in an entirely different state to boot. Add in HIPAA laws (especially when it comes to things like abortion, which clinics are highly trained and incredibly conscientious to never let patient info slip, because it could lead to serious things like domestic violence issues). NO ONE would know unless she told them. Her every move wasn't being tracked. Add in the fact she was a nursing student, and would obviously know how serious the risks would be.

      This isn't a TV show. It would be simple to have an abortion and have no one find out. And I can't imagine finding a "back alley abortion" provider would be a piece of cake. Thankfully in the US they're pretty much a thing of the past due to the laws, the fact abortions are not expensive (and both private and government insurances will generally cover a portion of them, if not all of it).I hate to phrase it this way, but for an insurance company they are paying less in the long run to pay for an abortion versus future medical care for the unborn child, and that's what it's all about with insurance, hence why most will cover it. Even out of pocket it's pretty cheap.

      This is one of the least likely theories (and most "out there"), in my opinion.

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    4. Anonymous @ 11/11/15 12:39-- Totally agree with your analysis on this point. If she wanted an abortion, I have no idea why she would go to Northern NH for an "illegal" one when she could just jump on the Mass pike and go to the Boston are for a procedure which would be legal, safe, and affordable. Even if she was after a "back alley" abortion, it seems to me that it would be easier to get one of those in an urban area than a rural one. I won't rule out the possibility that she was trying to end a pregnancy with excessive drinking, but the idea that she travelled North in search of an abortion provider (legal or illegal) does not make sense.

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  11. The mention of the man who was murdered made me think they are connected in that they were both used in some nefarious way for a punk to prove loyalty to join a gang.

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  12. I found it weird that the writer of those emails is talking so callously about Maura's disappearance and what they are convinced is her loss of life and yet they are concerned that the family is caused no more agony. That's incohesive logic . Whoever wrote that knows the family well as in they are working with them, or they are a family member. Also, if memory serves me correctly, a commenter on this blog used that same phrase about barking up the wrong tree when it came to Fred Murray. I remember the commenters name but don't want to say it for fear of backlash. Some people are nutty and aggressive!

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  13. Also, The Killing Moon was the soundtrack song to the 2001 film Donnie Darko. If you google Maura Murray Donnie Darko you get some hits. Still reading through them......

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  14. If Billy graduated in 02 from West Point, How was he a Lt. In the army by 2004.
    Isn't that fairly quick to move up in the ranks?

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    1. All graduates of West Point are commisoned as Lt's upon graduation.

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    2. Sure... if you call the lowest rank a commissioned officer can be in the Army (lieutenant) moving fast...

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  15. I can understand why James or no one else wants to check out the coordinates, especially after this Podcast. But what I don't get, is why doesn't law enforcement check them out? This is a potential lead, and it's their duty to follow through. A lead like this shouldn't be the burden of journalists or Podcast hosts, but the duty of the police and investigators. And, they are naturally better equipped to handle threats.

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    1. While I agree that recent leads should not be the burden of journalists, James, podcast hosts, all of us, unfortunately the investigators on this case have done jack sh** to do everything they could to make a crack in this case. Whether or not these potential leads actually bring anything to fruition, they should ALL be followed through and (if nothing) chalked up to another wrong lead. They should NOT however be deemed unworthy of the investigators at least getting out of their office and checking out. It's the least they could do honestly!

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    2. Well to be fair, we don't know that they didn't look into them already. We can't assume that investigators make everything that they know public. That's never the situation is any case that is active.

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  16. Could Maura of met someone who was involved in Scientology?
    Several years back a story came out about UMASS using students who get in trouble becoming informants for the school. Maura was caught with a stolen credit card, 3 months before she disappeared. Could Maura of been one?
    On the Wikipedia, it talks about the phone call on Thursday evening to Kathleen but it doesn't mention the call to Billy. Why? Why is important for this call to be left out continuously??

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  17. Did Maura travel alot in the past, I mean did she have a passport?

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  18. I think it's likely we don't know every step the police have taken in their investigation. And if it's like any other case, they definitely have info we don't. Is it possible they've checked out the coordinates, or have information that the person with this information is a crackpot?

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  19. Good episode.

    I'm a little disappointed about Tim Westman; The audio was clearly not favorable that day, NH is just so windy sometimes. Also, John Smith was just way too confrontational. It was interesting to hear him talk, but instead of challenging him, I would have just listened and asked a few easy questions and see where it went. At least that way, you could have got some lengthy insight and perhaps new thoughts or opinions.

    Also interesting to hear Thomas Conrad mentioned, though it could just be a coincidence due to the location, but it makes you wonder...

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    1. I have been dealing with Tim Westman for years now and know how to deal with his demeanor. We got way more info out of him than either of us expected bc he really did not want to say anything. Also Faith ran into the house to avoid being questioned and then Tim came up on the lawn mower.

      Everything worked out just fine. jmho

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    2. There is something odd about the Westman's statements. It's hard to imagine that they didn't speak with Maura that evening. Over the years, I've had several car accidents happen in front of my residence. Each time, I've always gone outside, made sure everyone was okay AND called 911.

      Faith originally said there was a man smoking in the passenger seat. IF they didn't go outside to check on Maura, maybe that is why -- because there was more than one person walking around the Saturn.

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    3. Is mowing his lawn like his past-time or something?

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    4. I found it very interesting that the Tommy Conrad murder was mentioned... Does anyone have more information about this?

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    5. Do we actually know that Faith said this? If so can you provide a source. This statement is like a game of telephone..it slightly changes each time I see it posted.

      Looking back at various reports from the get-go:
      - The first mention of the light and what Faith said says that she said she saw a small, red light in the car.
      - The next (a year later) says "a small red light that could have been a cell phone / charger".
      - Then it turns into possibly a cigarette
      - And finally, a man smoking in the car.

      Faith apprently denies she ever said anything more than she saw a small red light from the car. I'm interested (based on how dark it was, combined with the location of the house from the accident scene), how she could have possibly identified what the light source was coming from. It doesn't seem possible that she would have been able to tell what it was. I personally can't find any proof she ever said there was a man smoking in the passenger seat, but feel free to prove me wrong.

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  20. If you click on the documents section on this blog and click part 1 under documents given to FM, Faith reports "a man in vehicle smoking a cigarette." I think she later changes her statement but that's in there too.

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  21. They should just release the coordinates and there are probably a bunch of people who will go check it out for them :-).....at your own risk!

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