Friday, December 11, 2015

Fred Murray Points Finger at Local Police in New Video


The new video of Fred Murray is up at Unsolved.com It is not an interview, but a recap of the case by Fred. It's interesting to see how close he comes to naming a policeman as a suspect in his daughter's disappearance -- a recent theory that has taken on some popularity lately, but is completely without merit.

What do you think? He's still lying about Maura's history at West Point and UMass. It would be interesting for a genuine reporter to ask Fred and friends some real questions one day.


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  1. I do think he is right to at least demand to know what the policeman at the scene did or did not do. Still confuses me why Fred is lying. He is only hurting the case by doing so.

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    1. He isn't hurting the CASE. Her school history isn't related and there's really no real evidence it is.

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    2. "He isn't hurting the CASE. Her school history isn't related and there's really no real evidence it is."

      Exactly. And who can blame a father for speaking highly of his daughter? Seems people here to look down on him for that either don't have kids or are very lousy parents.

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    3. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    4. First off I'm a parent and I damn sure ain't no lousy one. If my daughter was MISSING, I would tell everything I knew even if it wasn't the proudest moments of my child's life. You never know what information might help and lead to answers. Keeping information hidden doesn't do any justice except muddy the waters.
      Fred made himself look guilty even if he's innocent.
      If my child was missing, I wouldn't wait 2 years to do a formal statement, wouldn't hide an important sighting, and explain away a rag in the tailpipe, if I had no clue what happened to my child.
      Its one thing to speak highly of your child but its another to hide clues/ information.

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    5. You may not, but none of those point to murder. Maybe pride? Maybe a misguided attempt to protect his daughter's privacy?

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  2. I feel after watching this Fred is a very proud father desperate to find his daughter....not someone trying to hide something.think my view of him has been clouded by different sites this one included.he sounds genuine & I feel a bit guilty for judging him without knowing him.i thought if Maura had run away that he would know she was alive but this is a man in turmoil not knowing what happened to her

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    1. You should NEVER judge a person, esp one you don't know. The family has legit reasons for hating this blog.

      ALL families have dysfunctions. ALL.

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    2. Yes, never. I don't even judge molesters. I think they're awful. But SOMETHING led them astray in the worst way and I do have a miniscule amount of sympathy. That said, they should have their body parts removed, manually.

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    3. We all make judgements every day. It's necessary to survival. And on a judiciary level, it's necessary for civilization. You absolutely should judge child molesters. Without the process of judgement there can be no consequences and therefore anarchy where pedophiles are at the top of the food chain. Geez Louise. There is kindness and there is ignorance. Don't ever confuse the two.

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  3. "Tell us anything you want to tell us." Oh, the irony...

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  4. From what I've read here, he wasn't technically wrong when he said that military life wasn't for Maura. From all accounts I've read, I don't think she would have gone to West Point in the first place if he hadn't pressured her to. But as for her reason for leaving, yeah, he's never going to actually admit that, it seems.

    The video didn't end up being more than what I thought it would be. Just a recap of the case from Fred. Not that he would ever advertise this site but I kind of thought it was an obvious jab at Renner when he said MissingMauraMurray.com is the best site covering this case.

    Fred is a very frustrating individual. I want so badly to feel sympathy for him but there are too many things he's said and things that he has refused to say that cast him in such a suspicious light. And all these things could go away if he'd make an attempt to explain...anything. But he refuses to talk. Same goes with the family, Billy, Kate and Sarah.

    The majority of my sympathy goes to the 7 best friends who grew up with Maura and graduated high school with her. I truly feel like they are the only ones attached to her who are completely clueless, left on the outside looking in. And they too have been given a gag order by Fred.

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    1. No one's been given a gag order. Past history isn't relevant here.

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    2. Correction: it is my belief no one's been told "do not talk to ____." I think people just want to avoid onslaught of attention and move on.

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  5. This is a man who wants to find his daughter, period.

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  6. Because her schooling history isn't relevant. Stop unintentionally slamming his daughter.

    Also, there are loads of corrupt police in my town. Some are involved in sex trafficking in shady ways. Some use shady tactics in arrests. Some are brutal in arrests.

    Given how odd the NH police have been, I wouldn't say there's NO merit. But yes, he may be fingerpointing at the wrong person.

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    1. "Some (police) are involved in sex trafficking in shady ways."

      Insight, please? It may be relevant to this case.

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    2. If she has a known history of being a liar, it is entirely relevant. Turns out, she does. Therefor, it is relevant.

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  7. "She's a kid who never gave her parents any trouble in her entire life."

    Except, you know, the whole credit card fraud thing, the alleged stealing of cosmetics, and basically getting kicked out of West Point. Fred loses credibility when he sanitizes the overall narrative by glossing these things over.

    Having said that, it's not unreasonable to suspect law enforcement when you hear about monsters like former Oklahoma City police officer Daniel Holtzclaw. If she'd been drinking and driving, Maura would have been a PERFECT victim for a guy like Holtzclaw.

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    1. ^technically things we do as adults (18+) don't affect parents. The car did if it was theirs.

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  8. I didn't hear any lies really. Doting father describing the scene. And clearly has frustrations with how the cops handled it.

    I wonder if a COP car drove by, picked her up, and "disappeared" her.

    One officer heavily fingerpointed at her bf, whom he doesn't know. Sure, Fred could've told him things but it still makes his fingerpointing weird.

    Looking at this from the angle of a cop being the perp, even an off duty one (who maybe hit her whens she was outside the car?), is interesting.

    THAT would explain email hacking and bullying.

    THAT would explain why people are scared.

    THAT might explain why, IMO, the eyewitnesses don't talk about what they saw in terms of a car picking her up. Who wants to go against law enforcement?

    Hasn't that older sleuth who's been on this for a decade said he's uncovered shady things?

    Cops in small areas can be shady people.

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    1. I am not afraid to go after LE and have been pushing their involvement for years. I stand for TRUTH.....not bowing down to corruption.

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    2. That's good. BTW I am not saying I completely believe this cop-focused theory.

      I can't get the former cop out of my mind, the one who said that man killed her and she's in his house. the cop who has some personal problems of his own. He follows the fb page.

      idk but the cops KNOW something.

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    3. JS: What's your take on the two officers who were at the scene?

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    4. They are all shady and would cover for another officer in the blink of an eye. There mere than meets the eye..!

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    5. But ... murder? That's a stretch. Trafficking probably even more so given the repeat nature of that type of crime.

      Can you please give an example that would NOT get any particular person in trouble, such as, favoritism? Confiscation of contraband redistributed to staffers?

      We all know, by rumor mostly, that precincts engage in quotas. Something a step above that is what I'm questioning.

      This case also led me to the Maine case of Pamela Webb, the gal who your brother found. Some similarities, though the trooper (thus far) wasn't implicated in her death.

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    6. Interesting thread. Sometimes murder happens as a means of silencing someone. It's not always the original motive (like assault).

      Several years back, when Fred wanted the state to release documents on Maura's case, the assistant attorney general said there was a 75% chance that criminal charges would be filed in this case. Why would he say that if he didn't know (really know!) what happened?

      I have no doubt the 'thin blue line' is strong enough to prevent that if a perpetrator is one of their own.

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    7. "Why would he say that if he didn't know (really know!) what happened?"

      Lack of evidence. In this country, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. No body or clothes here. That buttresses JR's theory but also trafficking/prisoner ones. Either that or they've been destroyed.

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    8. I have wondered about this very thing since the beginning. Can you picture Maura out there all alone, in the cold and darkness of a New England winter night and along comes what she thinks is help in the form of LE, and instead turns out to be a predator? I would like to hear more from the responding officer, and have him account for his time following his response to the accident scene.

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  9. despite the comments above, I think Fred's broadcast was somewhat refreshing in that he admitted she had been drinking and mentioned he was planning to get a new car the next weekend and that he thought she was going to Bartlett.
    taken in context, I'd not blame the cops who could not know the driver would never be seen again. Also MM could have gone to any of the nearby houses (the place is not as deserted as Fred implies). I personally think she never got farther than several houses to the north.
    apparently whatever he found out about the supermarket in Woodville he does not think was true or pertinent.
    Also this is the best place to find out about the case.

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    1. I think it's likely she was going there too. I know he comes across as incredible when he whitewashes her, but honesty, didn't her biggest issues start IN college/west point? Wasn't she a pretty good kid in secondary school?

      Give him slack for such comments, esp since it's very likely her personal life had nothing to do with what happened.

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  10. I am not taking sides on what type of person Fred is, I don't know him, but no father, or any family should have to go thru this, I am a father and I am sympathetic to that fact, character is another story, again not judging.

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  11. Fred said" This is a kid, that has Never given her parents any trouble her entire life." I guess stealing make- up from West Point, credit card fraud, drinking and driving,and wrecking Fred's car is No trouble at all. He still isn't acknowledging Maura was struggling. A lot of kids give there parents trouble at some point. Maybe not major trouble but just a little.
    Fred said Maura's head hit the windshield when there's no sign that it did. There was no blood, hair, skin in the windshield, and the crack was too high.
    IMO, anyone with information, should go to the FBI first and not Fred. Don't need another ten years to go by before important info is known.

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    1. +anon 12.11.15 *ya agree* dad knew everything~ maybeee up until the whole thing went wrong on rte 112. Telling a 1/2 truth ~ is sill a lie. Maybe he just c a n t get past it. But convince me FM knows anything about where MM is today. I dont think he does. but people close do.

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    2. He meant growing up, she was a good kid. Her stealing was something she did to herself. All of her friends have also stated she is funny, but shy and quiet.

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    3. " *ya agree* dad knew everything ..."

      I still insist, edited for time. "Unsolved Mysteries" seems to be a web content only concern now. Expensive.

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  12. I think he is on the right track. Growing up around there it wouldn't surprise me the least little bit. Shady cast of characters to say the least.

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  13. Hi Everyone, I'm new to this forum but not to this case.

    After reading literally everything on this forum a few things stand out to me as pretty blatantly obvious.

    I feel the need to remind everyone that we can speculate, but we need to remember that the police have more knowledge and inside information than any of us do because they know the actual contents of some of the records that were investigated -- like tax records, credit card transactions, exactly who was called on the cell phones involved, what was on the ATM video, who flunked and who passed the polygraphs and on what questions, etc.

    That all being said, the police investigation and what the documents released thus far have to say, is what I think is the most telling:

    1. I think we can safely say that the police do not in any form or fashion believe that Maura merely walked away from the crash scene and succumbed to the elements. The are very obviously investigating this as not only a crime, but as potential homicide. A homicide detective is involved in the investigation.

    2. Police view Fred with very deep suspicion, and he seems to be the subject of a big part of the investigation. With all due respect to Fred, and I don't wish to disparage him if he is innocent of any wrongdoing, but he sure looks pretty bad in all this. Without getting into already hashed and rehashed details, we can plainly see that Fred has been lying, obstructing the investigation, attempting to find out what is known by police, attempting to obtain evidence ahead of police (the Woodsville video), intimidating witnesses into silence, and otherwise trying to stop people from solving this case.

    It seems obvious to me that police believe (with all due respect to Fred and his family, I'm sorry but this is how it looks) that Fred either killed Maura, had her killed, or at the very least, knows who killed her and is involved to such a degree that he is trying to obstruct justice.

    3. Where Fred seems the most deceptive and suspicious is about: why he was in Amherst in the first place and what really happened at the Quality Inn.

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    1. You're so wrong that it is disgusting. The police do not believe Fred killed Maura. Fred had been verified as not being anywhere NEAR her. Maura was also spotted to be traveling alone by Butch. Fred and the police do not get along for a long list of reasons, some being that Fred has publicly accused them of not being on the ball and doing a bad job.

      Why he may not have been 100% honest about everything in regards to her past, he has stated many, many times that it doesn't matter because whatever she was planning to do ended when she took off running in these bad conditions.

      You should be careful about making false allegations

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    2. I totally agree and just want to add that is seems like most of the time there is a violent crime against a woman (if that is what happened to Maura) it is by the hands of a male family member or boyfriend or at least someone the victim knows.

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    3. I disagree, we the public truly don't know for 100%, when Maura was last seen alive. One of the things that would of shown Maura was alive, the police won't release it. They wouldn't show it to the family/ friends either. Butch at first said the female he saw wasn't Maura and then he later said it was.
      Another reason the police and Fred probably don't get along is because someone in the family who was briefed about the rag in the tailpipe leaked it to the media/public on the Maura Murray site Also, Fred publically stating the police didn't do there job.
      When a person goes missing the days leading up to there disappearence, could hold the clues to help find them. The past does matter. The days leading to Maura's disappearance are strange and makes no sense. Anything and everything could possibly be a clue. Why hold back information that might help?
      I don't think Fred harmed Maura but I do think he knows more than he's let on. I think its possible Maura was suppose to call him and let him know she made it but Never did.
      IMO- if police didn't, they should of used tracking dogs from Maura's dormroom to see where the trail led to.

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    4. I agree with JellyVee to an extent. You didn't make a direct accusation, but it's darn close. There are threatening characters in this case and anonymous or not, I'd be careful. JellyVee, how was Fred verified as not being anywhere NEAR her. I'd like to hear more on this and Fred in general. Does anyone know what Fred's occupation was at the time of her disappearance?

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    5. Read the documents. Read them carefully. It's not too hard to see the police's line of thinking in this case, especially when you factor in Fred's behavior.

      Fred very clearly does NOT want an investigation, despite what he says. Who is he worried about? What is it he's afraid will come out?

      Yes, the records seemed to show some early interest in Butch Atwood but this seems to have petered out. The list of agencies who have been investigating Maura's case don't include any in Florida, where Atwood moved.

      I think that Fred is covering up, lying, and hiding to protect primarily Kathleen. I think she and the people she ran around with are the key to all of this. It fits all the evidence and the police records.

      1. Maura got a call from Kathleen that seemed to be what triggered her breakdown at work, yet Kathleen downplayed it's significance. Could Kathleen have called Maura to tell Maura that her life was in danger or that she was in some terribly serious trouble, related to drugs or other criminal activity?

      2. Maura took off and the places she looked up on her computer were in Vermont, about 30-40 miles south of where Kathleen lived. Was she going to meet up with Kathleen or an associate of Kathleen's?

      3. Fred seems to have brought $4000 with him to Amherst. It is not clear exactly how or when he acquired this money, but it seems that it wasn't from a bank or ATM. Could he have brought this money to help Kathleen get out of whatever trouble she was in? Could it have been to pay someone off?

      4. Most of the lies Fred has told center around why he was REALLY in Amherst, what happened at the Quality Inn, and the details of the alleged party. Was he there because of whatever trouble Kathleen was in, and was meeting up with Maura to coordinate how to handle it? Could this alleged dorm party really have been some kind of criminal activity, or discussions and plans on how to handle a serious problem, perhaps with Kathleen?

      5. Kate and Sara are tight-lipped and evasive about what happened at the alleged dorm party. Why? Why did Kate say she did not want to get her friend in trouble? Was this because there was criminal activity going on that night, possibly involving drugs? Were Kate and Sara in on discussions and plans on how to handle the trouble that Kathleen was in?

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    6. Fred has been cleared through his work, the hotel he was staying at, family confirmation, and by simple examination of his cell phone pings. He is NOT a suspect. Let's not take this case off on a wild side street.I've never heard Renner even claim Fred as a suspect.

      As I said before, say you think he hid information about her, whatever. But accusing him of murder is just gross and not even relevant to the case to anyone who has been watching it.

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    7. I also want to point out a post on this blog where Scarzina speaks about what he thinks happened...NOTHING about Fred:


      "I've said this all along: My sense is that Maura's original intent when she left Massachusetts was to come to the North Country to get away from something that was occurring in her life down there. I take into consideration the family's thought that she was coming up to kill herself. But what was the initial catalyst to make her want to do that? And what happened when she got here? My sense is that she is not still alive."

      Scarinza continued that train of thought: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride. But we don't know her ultimate destination. It's interesting that her backpack was missing from her car. That some liquor was missing. Until we know for sure what happened, we're going to treat this case as if she was a victim of a crime."

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    8. DOH......Fred asked for FBI involvement in the 1st month. Fred is not hiding a thing.

      Common sense..!

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    9. I have to disagree, just because you ask for the FBI, doesn't mean you aren't hiding things.
      Fred most likely knew for the FBI, to get involved there has to be evidence of foul play.
      IMO- Fred knew if Maura had ran away to start over, the FBI would be the best chance of finding her.
      Fred did tell lies/ try to mislead the public/ media. If he's innocent, he made himself look guilty.

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    10. if Maura is in hiding, it is most likely proportional to the event that caused her to leave. Also is she waiting perhaps for a statue of limitations to run out? We only know of the crimes she was caught from, she defineatly had the criminal mind.

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    11. Great. You still didn't respond to him being cleared by LE. But waste of time on a ridiculous theory. That's your prerogative.

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  14. I have to say that I this video further convinces me that Fred is sincere. His all but pointing at the state trooper also resonates with me. I think it is as viable as any theory I have heard. I wish I knew more about the factual indications around this concept. I really wish I knew the name of the officer he is pointing to.

    Clearly he has a lot of pride in Maura. He has a halo over her. Yes, he is papering over her history at West Point. But who cares? That in and of itself means nothing.

    I and others in the past have said that he may have sense something was going on in her life, or sort of knows what going on, but does not want to really admit it to himself. But I don't think he has guilty knowledge and I don't think he is trying to cover up anything.

    His statement to UMASS police is problematic for me, but I tend to think Fred is a decent guy.

    Can anyone tell me about what information exists to support the idea of a state police trooper having been at the scene.

    Frankly, there are more than a few indications of nefarious individuals lurking in the police department ranks at least locally in Grafton County.

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  15. Someone needs to speak out about LE and the inconsistencies and inaccuracies that have plagued this case since the beginning. It is about time people see the Truth and come to the realization that small town corruption runs rampant in that small community as well as many others just like it.

    Don't be afraid to shake the bushes even IF it is LE hiding in them.

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    1. I do think there are crooked cops out there and possibly in this case.
      I lean more towards that they just didn't do a great job investigating the case. Its possible they believed it was a person who wrecked and didn't want a DUI and would show up later. Never realizing what this case would turn out to be. I think the cop, just wrote in his report what he thought instead of truly investigating the crash.
      But if a cop was involved then Yes I think its time for the truth to come out.
      At this point all theories and possibilities need to be looked at. Because Maura's whereabouts are still unknown.

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    2. I AGREE I think that LE is involved in her dissapperance BIG TIME!

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  16. So, James Conrad, former NH state trooper, came out and said that NH authorities know that Maura is dead and that she is buried under the new house of the person they know killed her. But they don't have the evidence to get a warrant.

    See: http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2015/08/former-nh-state-trooper-with-troubled.html

    One might speculate that James Conrad is referring to a person who was a state trooper at that time.

    If so, this could suggest that Fred knows his daughter is dead and who killed her.

    I noted a context shift in his dialog. He said something like "Maura was a great kid," then immediately shifted to "I want her back." I.e., the first comment implied he knows she is dead and the second seemed to back track from that.

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    1. Or he meant he wants her body back, closure.

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    2. John Green,

      I watched the video and also noticed the change in verb tense. I also watched his eyes. He didn't strike me as someone being honest. I respect those who think he was, but I just don't see it. His behavior to date, and his lawsuits, tell me he is worried that police might uncover something he doesn't want known by them.

      I truly do not wish to disparage an innocent person, if he is innocent, but he sure looks bad thus far.

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    3. Maybe one context shift was unintentional and one was ;)

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    4. "So, James Conrad, former NH state trooper, came out and said that NH authorities know that Maura is dead and that she is buried under the new house of the person they know killed her."

      I remember that post months ago. Why was it debunked? Oh yeah. Conrad had an axe to grind because he was let go. So what. Best lead we've had in this case in my opinion that directly ties MM's fate with that area. Why CAN'T they get a warrant to dig around there? At least do sonar testing ... WTH?!?

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    5. He may have mostly come to terms with the idea that she is probably not alive and that explains the "She was a great kid." Regardless, the word "was" is appropriate -- as she is no longer a kid and was not even a kid at the time of her disappearance. And as for "I want her back" -- have you never said those exact words about a deceased loved one?? I sure have. It bothers me to see others parsing this man's words to make him look guilty of something.

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  17. I'm so sorry you haven't found your baby yet, Fred. I wish above everything that you could get some answers.

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  18. "It's interesting to see how close he comes to naming a policeman as a suspect in his daughter's disappearance -- a recent theory that has taken on some popularity lately, but is completely without merit."

    I don't see how it's completely without merit considering that this is really just a subset of the abduction theory, and like it or not, that is still a very plausible theory. Also, there are some people who do feel like there is some type of cover-up in this case or something within the LE is hiding something. And based on everything John Smith has revealed, it does seem very odd that there are so many discrepancies in the police report versus reality.

    Honestly, if there is any theory that is the least likely and without merit, it's the she ran off to start a new life theory.

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  19. I watched it on my break and I also believed mr Murray from day one he is speaking from a parental point of view and maybe authorities didnt do much as driving a little bit further up Idk...I wasn't there but I do believe mr.Murray absolutely..I personally wouldn't have left my car but that's me and it is obvious to see you would be at the mercy of someone so that dirtbag theory I still believe that aswell but I could be wrng..Maura went with someone but who and I dnt think she committed suicide either..

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  20. I agree, even if Fred is innocent, he made himself look guilty.
    Exactly, Why was Fred in Amherst that weekend and what happened at the hotel.
    Its not 100% known when Maura was last seen alive. The one thing that would show it, the police Never released.

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  21. I've had the distinct impression for a long time that Fred knows who the perpetrator is...knows the basic scenario, but there's not enough evidence to make an arrest. It's like Fred knows Maura's faults don't come into play. They're not relevant to her disappearance.

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  22. I to believe him a bit more now. He sugar coated her past some but that's about the extent of the negative things I see from this. Not certain if he wants to accuse a cop or if he's just so frustrated with how it was handled from the start. I'm sure he plays it out in his head everyday and keeps coming back to had these cops not fucked this up I'd have my daughter here. I still feel like abduction by cop is a bit far fetched simply cause the cover up has gone on so long and other than conjecture and the ramblings of some excop mentioned above again by John Green we don't have much evidence to support that theory.

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  23. Fred is right. The first responding officer should've had the decency to talk to him. The ramifications are worse than merely 'dropping the ball.' It flies in the face of common decency. It flies in the face of common sense. It certainly would account for why everyone surrounding this case clammed up. Ummm. Yep. Search his basement...and foundation.

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  24. I just watched the video again and now I see why mr.Murray pointed fingers @ the police because he said the officer didn't know about the accident..hmmm that made me wonder what are the police really hiding just a hunch and I can be wrng but I smell a rat..

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  25. It's obvious who Fred suspects was involved, if you've followed this case for a decent amount of time.

    "I can't get it out of my mind that something stinks. I want to know what state trooper John Monahan was doing after the (dispatcher's) call when my daughter was walking down the street in pitch black with no one to ask for help, nowhere to run and nowhere to hide," Murray said.

    --From an article in the Union Leader in 2007 by Nancy West. "Missing Maura Murray - Four Years and Countless Questions."

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  26. It doesn't appear he is accusing an officer of harming her, it seems he is accusing the State Trooper of doing NOTHING. He even says that it appears the officer did not report that his daughter was missing, as that is why he states he doesn't understand how they "were just hearing of this" that Wed morning when he went to what I am assuming is State Police HQ. Fred Murray has been saying this for years, he wants to see a copy of the report of the state trooper that is reported to have been at the scene of her accident. However, it seems to fall under the umbrella of "an active investigation" so he cannot have access to it. I feel that he has a valid point, in that local PD is not equipped to handle a missing person, but State Police are a whole other animal with more resources. He even goes so far as to state he wishes the officer had arrested her for leaving the scene of an accident. It is very obvious that he has no idea where his daughter is, and is desperate to find out, be it a happy or unhappy ending.

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    1. "t doesn't appear he is accusing an officer of harming her, it seems he is accusing the State Trooper of doing NOTHING."

      Correct. But let the facts align as they may.

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    2. I agree with CC. Fred blames LE for not looking very hard for his daughter that night. If he had just cruised east a ways he might have spotted her or at least been able to narrow down her whereabouts. He NEVER implies police involvement but rather negligence in her disappearance. As far as her past criminal activities, you'd be hard pressed to find a young person in this country who hasn't stolen, lied, or driven while tipsy. Some of you make her out to be a major felon. She sounds like a normal young woman going through a rough patch in her life who needed to get away for a few days to get her head on straight. What happened next is what we should concern ourselves with and it's very possible she is still in the area. May god rest her soul.

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    3. 100% right CC. And James, even if Fred was suggesting that a police officer may have been involved in her disappearance (which he wasn't), given how little evidence there is to support ANY conclusion in this case, it's odd that you're so dismissive and so quick to say that any suggestion to that effect is "completely without merit"

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  27. John Green. I can tell he's guilty because he blinks when he uses vowels. Also the classic poker game arm scratch. Total give away.

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    1. guilty of what? remember people in those areas are reserved, which is fine.

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    2. What are you, one of those liberals?
      Why do we need to bother knowing why he's guilty? Or how ? We know he's guilty. That's what matters.

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    3. Dishonesty is apparent in his use of word whiskers when it comes to his stating of opinions. When he retell facts he is being truthful. Other than that, he is being dishonest. It is important to note when you are analyzing facial expressions or speech for signs of deception, that guilt does not always mean guilty. On the converse, a lack of evident guilt does not always mean innocence.

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  28. Are you people crazy? No way has Fred been involved in anything in this case except to try and find his daughter. The NHSP have done everything to cover this miss-investigation up. Failure to obtain evidence and publish. There are so many "Y"s it makes my head spin. 2. Why didn't they check the on board computer to see if the car slipped away or if it stalled. Foremost number 1 questions is timing of SP to scene and she was walking into the same direction. I speculate the responding officer hit her, put hen the trunk and disposed of it later. Yeah go ahead and give me crap for this but I could go on with more cover ups and evidence. I have followed this case from day 1, this took a lot from Fred to post, him and his family lost a lot. As Fred knows as well as yahoo groups I go by cwafty@yahoo.com, my name is Phil. I await your questions and concerns.

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    1. I agree the cops in this town are shady and stick together.I went to school there.plus the bus driver sounds wierd .

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  29. I don't like that Fred said "I want her back." Gave me the creeps . Typical things I've heard in these types of cases: I just want them home, I just hope they're safe, I just want them to be ok, I just want to know they are ok, I just want to hold them again. You get the point.

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  30. While her school history may not be relevant, Fred absolutely knows more than he's saying about the "party". And it's not up to him to decide whether that information is relevant or not. Until he comes clean about that I will still think there's something sketchy going on with him.

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  31. I agree Joy, he needs to be forthcoming.

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  32. For all intents & purposes its been 12yrs & no one is any closer to the truth. FM&family need to help the public, help them. They may not even realize one miniscule detail they have withheld to date, might change the tide. Who caressss about what the fam dymanics were or what issues MM may have had (petty crimes, to addictions?, to possible hit/run?) As far as casting judgement ~That ship has sailed, folks. All moot points that still have produced NOTHING of substance. The people that have worked on this for <12>yrs, PI's, journalists, bloggers, podcasters, contributors, the public, can only kick the same can so many times... the only thing ANYone should be afraid of is ~ allowing someone to take or ruin a person's life & get away w/ it.

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  33. This could be nothing, but I just found a discrepancy between two statements made by Fred Murray. This is in reference to the timeline directly after the accident. On the UMASS police report, he said that the sunday night he spoke with Maura about getting the police reports. His subsequent statement is that he received a call the next day mid afternoon from his daughter Kathleen telling him Maura hit a tree and was now missing... Yet if you listen to his account on this video and on other statements he's made, he said that Kathleen contacted him on Tuesday and that he made his way down on Wednesday. Something sounds a little off about this....

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