Tuesday, December 22, 2015

New Video & Podcasts Came Out This Week **UPDATED**


A famous Norwegian psychic provides his thoughts on Maura Murray's fate in a newly released video.

Also, Lance and Tim released two new episodes for their Missing Maura Murray podcast. It's another interview with John Smith, and theories about the rag in the tailpipe and oddities in Haverhill.

Download them here.

**UPDATE**
Just a reminder, I will not approve comments that get into the conspiracy theory of police involvement in Maura's disappearance. It is a waste of time and muddies the waters.

87 comments:

  1. Were there any bridges nearby to Maura's accident? If so has the area been searched?
    I'm a young woman, and I know I wouldn't of ran in the woods. Its scary, dark, and cold. I just don't see Maura running into the woods. Maybe the edge of the woods but not running deep into them. She was a hiker, she should of known the woods are dangerous especially at night.
    Did the Stage Shop have a pay phone? If so, Maura should of known to go back use her calling cards to call someone to get her.
    Also she had a blanket in the car, why wouldn't she grab that incase she needed to try and stay warm.

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  2. I think he is suggesting she passed out in the cold, probably due to the alcohol, causing severe hypothermia, of which a symptom is hallucinations / euphoric state which she had when she woke up.

    That would be the only explanation of why she would enter the River willingly.

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    1. You think she was that drunk? Probably a little tipsy, but I doubt she was hammered enough that she would pass out.

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  3. Plausible theory. As good as any other theory. I know many will say it didn't happen that way as no footprints were found. It's possible the area she went in wasn't searched well.

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  4. I don't know if I'm stupid or what but doesn't this seem like an unlikely scenario considering there were no tracks or footprints in the snow at the scene of the accident? If she just walked into the woods after the crash she should have been easy to easy to find

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    1. If she ran in the road she could have followed tire tracks or exposed pavement. I had never thought of the river until now, and a short distance down the road the river is right up against the shoulder. Maybe she found a steep area on the slope to hop down to th river where her tracks wouldn't be traced.

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    2. Seeker-of-Truth

      nice steal of the name off truth seeker. nothing like confusing people. lol

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  5. stopped reading at "psychic".

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  6. I'm not a big fan of psychics, but this guy's theory of Maura hiding in the woods (maybe a mile or two down the road, which takes care of the lack of tracks) makes more sense than anything else I've heard to this point. If she ultimately ended up in the nearby river, she could have eventually washed right out to sea, never to be seen again.

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    1. From what I recall a lot of the rivers around there are more like streams that time of year while the snow is still frozen - they come up to your ankle or knee but definitely won't wash you out to sea or much of anywhere else. There are some big ones too of course but I don't think the one running along that road is deep enough especially in February to wash anyone anywhere.

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  7. Fred Murray makes a statement that it was the state troopers case. Why didn't he do anything. Actually in the State of NH it was not his case. NH state police only have jurisdiction in towns with a population of under 5000. The internet says 3000 but I checked with State Police and they said 5000 currently. I don't know what it was in 2004. So the case and accident scene belonged to the Haverhill Police and the best the state trooper could have done was to ask if Cecil Smith needed any assistance. The accident happened in Haverhill and not down the street in his territory. Because the 911 call came from a home right on the line does explain why he might have been dispatched to the area in a chance it was beyond the Haverhill line. It is misunderstood that NH state police trump local authority. It does not. Believe it or not the enforcement agency with the most power in the State of NH is NH Fish and Game. They trump all other.

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  8. I'm not from NH or anywhere near there, but wouldn't rivers and ponds be frozen at that time of year? That psychic is not believable in the least.

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    1. Rivers, no or not totally. Water under pressure cannot totally freeze - current would still move underneath & body could break through top layer of ice & move w/current still, but this is speculation upon speculation... we don't know to what degree all nearby bodies of water in 2004 were frozen or not, etc

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    2. Fast moving and deeper rivers often do not freeze...

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    3. The psychic method isn't the one I lean toward, but the Wild Amanoosuc is right off the side of the road nearby. And it is normal for the fast, rocky rivers up in the mountains to flow in the winter.

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    4. I'm from the area, and the Wild Ammonoosuc River is yards away from the crash site. It would definitely be froze in early February.

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    5. I've been on the Atlantic and seen parts of it frozen, so fast moving water and salt water does freeze.

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  9. Interesting. Is there a river near the crash site? Would it not be frozen that time of year??

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    1. That's what I wondered too. Also, how big is this river? Is it even possible for a body to drown in there and not be recovered after 11 years?

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  10. How are your thoughts on the case changing after listening to John Smith's info on the case? Do you still believe that Fred is involved? Do you believe that there is a police cover up of some sort?

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    1. Haha, so few words and yet so much meaning, James.

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  11. At this point, I pray what the psychic said is true. But listening to the podcast, it sounds like the police SUV hit her, or maybe Mike Lavoie in his tow truck.
    This week, I'm leaning far away from the "started a new life" theory. So sad.

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  12. Sounds like he listened to the Ep. 10 podcast ;)
    And he has to physically come to locate the remains??? wonder if he's a skiier ;)

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  13. Hi, James, I must say, I don't feel this psychic offered any insight into the case at all. Most of what he stated in the beginning of the video was already pretty well established as fact, the rest is just his hypothesizing about what could have happened. It didn't seem to involve any psychic ability at all. Personally, I think your own investigation and comments are far superior to anything he offered up here.

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  14. I think Mr. BJORK wants a free vaycay.

    Meep Meep!

    ZOOM

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  15. I don't rely on psychic findings either but one thing is consistent among them: water. The Ammonoosuc is a short trek through the trees via a driveway or footpath. I know, no discernible prints, but it was cold and much of the snow iced over, so prints are not formed so easily. I can imagine her in "inebriated" mode trying to overcompensate for her DUi and slipping in that river. Now, it freezes during cold winters, so it's not entirely implausible for her to try and cross that wide frozen river to escape to the other side and ... fall through. Perhaps the river took her. As good as any conspiracy theory, I suppose.

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    1. Psychics say many of times, the body can be found near water, not impressed.

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  16. In the north east there are several different types of snow. Sometimes snow on the ground is frozen, in which case you can walk right on top of it and not make any tracks. With fluctuating temperatures it's possible that there were tracks but then the snow melted somewhat and refroze the next day. No tracks does not mean she was never in those woods.

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  17. Also, sometimes rivers & lakes appear solid, but really can be a thin sheet of ice on top of the water. Or it can be frozen solid in some spots but not in others, especially with temps in the 30s... I wouldn't walk on a frozen lake unless temps are consistently below 20 for days.

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  18. Yes, I saw that the newest episodes is another inteview with John Smith. That is why I unsubscribed to their podcast.

    I know everyone seems to really like this guy but, he comes across to me as someone full of s***. I don't agree with your theory but, you always seemed honest. This guy just seems like an attention seeker. I think I may be alone on this but, that is my opinion and it has cost them a listener.

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    1. He does a great job getting the details but I wonder if he gives too much credibility to "witness A" and to the friend who heard the 7:05 "car in a ditch" call? Those people could have their times off or the details slightly off and that would make his theories null and void, basically. Don't get me wrong, I love listening to him but... I dunno... How do we really know what happened with all these first responders/witnesses. If he wasn't there, then it's hearsay, no?

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    2. I agree, I think hes putting to much into witness A and what people heard on a scanner at 7:05. It seems like he's trying to put facts in certain parts of the case, when there not known as facts. Its hear say.


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    3. I agree about "smith" and the "truth." Is he not the same person who is always so negative and disruptive on boards like this and you tube? And I always hate when someone cherry picks witnesses or "facts." Why is more credence given to a lady driving by whose facts defy all other info than the reliable witnesses at the scene? also what is the reasonable explanation for the police actions alleged if what the motorist saw was true? there are none so the lady must be mistaken in some way.

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  19. It's only maybe a 5-10 minute walk before the road that Maura was driving on begins to parallel the river for a while. There's no reason why she would ever need to leave the road by more than a couple of feet to get under a tree and ultimately into the river after beginning to hallucinate from hypothermia. If this happened, it's not surprising that there would be no tracks (as she stuck to the road almost entirely). There was no need for her to ever enter the woods.

    Also, rivers rarely freeze over fully in the winter. I'm from Nova Scotia (much further north) and have never seen a river completely freeze over, ever, and I've seen mine 30 C temperatures for 2 weeks straight. Ponds, yes. Lakes, sometimes. Rivers, it has to be well below zero to even produce icy edges. Running water requires a much colder temperature than just 0 to freeze. And the direction the river is in is the opposite way from which the police came, and supposedly they didn't immediately look for her in that direction beyond the crash site.

    She may have panicked when she realized that Mr Atwood would call the police and bolted just to escape a DUI (and the loss of her nursing future), sat down to rest under a tree a little ways down the road, fell asleep for a while, woke up freezing, and confusedly stumbled into the river. One could then very easily be washed out to sea, never to be seen again.

    Psychic or not, this guy offers a very viable theory.

    My curiosity is this: How high/fierce does that river typically get in February?

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  20. Honestly, this ends up sounding like the most likely scenario. With no answers everyone has had so much room to speculate / overanalyze / dream up scenarios, but sometimes it's the most simple answer.

    As a young woman myself, even though running into the woods at night would scare the shit out of me, the thought of getting a DUI would too. Plus, remember this is a chick who went to West Point and was at least somewhat militarily trained and who had a deep love for the White Mountains. Her fears and anxieties are probably way different than mine and your average girl's.

    I'd be curious to see an exact map or drawing showing the trace that the dogs sniffed out and exactly where she was headed. If she did venture towards the Ammonoosuc, is it possible she saw the river and thought that by walking in it, she wouldn't leave a trace and then slipped?

    I'm from California so I have no concept of rivers in the wintertime. Were the rivers frozen / snow covered at this time of year? I saw the post of the powerful Spring time sludge flow, but what was it like in Feb of 2004? The other thing is that the Ammonoosuc is a branch of the Connecticut River which is HUGE and does flow out to the Long Island Sound, but if her body did wind up in the river, there are so many other places it would likely go before making it to the ocean. Has any particular search focused on following the flow path of the river?

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  21. why doesn't he just go to Google maps and use Street View to map out where she went?? I've driven the route via Google maps numerous times online trying to figure out what happened... Something about the A Frame house along the route always makes me feel uneasy...

    What got me caught up in this case was that my brother ran track in college and I remember how much he partied with other track team students while in college. My brother also got drunk one night and crashed his car and left it and swam across a lake and later woke up in the bed of someone's pickup truck... Luckily he's still here and still alive... My parents had to find out where he was and pick him up and then find his car... But, for this reason, this case is one that I can relate to... My brother could have ended up missing like Maura...

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  22. This is ridiculous. While you could definitely die in that river if you weren't too careful, it's a shallow river that would have been partially ice covered at this time of year. Not to be vulgar but her body wouldn't have stayed hidden for long.

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  23. All 3 theories alive and kicking.

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  24. The Wild Amanoosuc River is directly north of 112 and parallels the shoulder for a distance to the east of the crash site. I could not see a bridge in the crash site area but maybe he could have been referring to a tree or an undercut bank along the river. Rivers up in that part of the mountains are rocky and fast-moving, generally flowing throughout most of the year, but tend to be pretty shallow (unless following a significant rain or snow melt).

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    1. Where is the Swiftwatet Covered bridge in relation to the crash site?

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    2. Where is the Swiftwater Covered Bridge in relationship to the crash site?

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    3. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Swiftwater+Bridge/@44.1271265,-71.9434249,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc1b876ad588e044b

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  25. Ok, I know you don't feel like there was any police involvement in Maura's disappearance. But what about the theory that the police simply botched the case, and are trying to cover up their mistakes? Is that a theory you think holds any water?

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    1. IMO- the police botched the case. There's a good chance they just thought it was another drunk driver, who would turn up later. By the time they realized Maura didn't show up, the mistakes had already been made. The police aren't going to admit there mistakes.
      Who would of thought this accident would turn into a missing persons case for 12 years.

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    2. So convenient to have the gift of hindsight.

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    3. ^ I completely agree. The cops made a few small mistakes that piled up and caused what might have been a tricky case to begin with and made it practically impossible to solve and don't want to own up to it, and/or don't believe they need to.

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  26. If the witness left work around 7:10, could she of passed by the accident scene before Faith called 911 at 7:27?
    Ironic Fred once told Maura to stick a rag in the tailpipe because it was smoking something fierce, and when the Saturn was found there was a rag in the tailpipe. And the rag came from Maura's emergency kit, Fred made her. But an anonymous person put the rag in the tailpipe to muddy the investigation/ cover something up.
    It'd be interesting to know what Susan Champy saw that night? Did she see two bystanders by the car? If so man or woman or both? It possibly could of been volunteer firefighters. ( they were in a meeting when the call went out) in which most were probably in regular clothes.
    Why would the police and tow truck driver have Fred come to the tow truck drivers house to see the Saturn? Especially of there was a cover up. Wouldn't they of known to tow the car to the tow yard and most likely no one would ever of known the Saturn was at the tow drivers personal house.
    Wonder what the tow truck driver has to say about this info.
    Could the damage to the Saturn
    ( where headlight is) been done by a bat? Someone purposely hit it.
    IMO- what witnesses said they heard "person left in private vehicle" on the police scanner, could possibly be when Maura left the scene in another vehicle. The witnesses/ police could know Maura got into a vehicle and just haven't released the info to the public. And asked witnesses not to talk about it.

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  27. This supposed psychic offers no value.

    The podcasts are turning up some interesting information but not sure if it makes any scenario more likely. I believe she was picked up by the wrong person (even if she knew them) and that was that.

    If she had split for a new life, I believe James would have found her already.

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  28. John Smith is always talking about the accident reconstruction. There must be reports on this. Where are they?

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    1. I tend to think he's referring to himself as the "accident reconstructionist" because of his law enforcement background...?

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    2. With three years of experience he would hardly be qualified as a an accident reconstructionist.

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  29. Other physics have expressed the same vision, from what I've heard as 'street talk' conversations. Perhaps the bridge at the intersection of RT 116 & 112 would be worth checking out. This is not that far from where RF saw a pedestrian the evening after her crash.

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  30. "There's no reason why she would ever need to leave the road ..."

    Len, think as a drunk: Most young people know a trek through shallow water leaves nary a scent. She's overcompensating to avoid detection and as such puts herself in a precarious situation.

    Yeah, it's a stretch. But so is everything else in this case, which is why we're still blathering about it.

    Despite all this, keep Occam's Razor close, it helps. But turning over seemingly irrelevant stones just may help. Stranger things have happened.

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  31. Same here Anonymous I do believed also Maura was picked up by the wrong person sorry to say..

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  32. I can certainly see this theory being true
    If she ran a couple miles away from the car (prior to Cecil Smith or any of the Haverhill Police even noticing her.) Given her track record, I wouldnt put it past her that she ran somewhat far and in a fast period
    Of time. Might explain not finding footprints if running on road. One would think they'd at least search the vast area not just 1 identifiable region near the car. I'm also leaning towards the River idea. Just because a body of water is frozen doesnt mean a human body cannot break through it especially if they've fallen in or deliberately jumped in.

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  33. This is the most believable theory...and the least interesting.

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  34. I find the river theory far fetched because the body would have eventually turned up. The nearby river flows into a larger river which then flows into the Connecticut River. But the original river is relatively shallow, narrow and full of rocks. The body would have turned up sooner or later and I find it hard to believe the river was not searched.

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  36. I am shocked that you would post something like this James....Come On you are a smart man....This so called Psychic claims everything we already know. He says " This is a hard time for her so I BELIEVE she drinks some alcohol" LMAO "She crashes so she is very afraid to lose her Drivers License" LMAO THEN he goes on to say she passed out in the woods ONLY to wake up and walk into the river which is complete BULLSHIT! This guy is such a FAKE so PLEASE tell me that you do NOT believe this garbage! Maura did NOT walk into the river because she was thinking "Stupid" this is insulting to Maura and us!

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    1. Welll ... I'm no psychic nut neither but until more information is forthcoming saying something as this didn't happen is presumptuous. I'm not sold on such a notion but can't rule it out either. It doesn't have to be The Ammonoosuc ...

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    2. @Lisa Ryan, I don't believe his "reading" either, funny people will discount eyewitness statements but not a psychic, I think it's just laziness.

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  37. Why won't the police release the ATM footage?? If Maura did have a black eye in the photos, could it of been from 1. The wreck in her dads car or 2. If she hit Vasi, the air bags deployed and caused some injury to her?
    Did the airbags deploy in the wreck with Fred's car? If so, did just the drivers or drivers/ and passengers deploy?

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  38. If a witness heard on a police scanner "car in ditch, driver left in personal vehicle around 7 pm," then why hasn't any other people came forward to say they heard it too, even if they don't know the exact time of it. Most likely, more than one person had a police scanner. Only one person heard it.
    Also Butch said he saw several cars pass by. Could one of these cars of been Susan Champy? Also, she said she saw no one walking/ running down the rd.
    So no one saw Maura leave the scene in a vehicle, no one saw her walking down the road, her scent was lost 100 yards from the scene, and no footprints on the road. For the 100 yards the dogs tracked the scent, were there footprints?

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    1. What I'd like to know is who said they heard Maura say she wanted a tow? Where does THIS come from?

      More questions ... no clear answers ...

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    2. Some cars record where they have been via GPS, wonder if any witness have newer vehicles that have this?

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  39. If you look on Google earth there is a small pond or lake not too far back in the woods from her crash site, wonder if it has been searched

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    1. Some water bodies have been searched but I'm not sure which.

      I'll say this: One thing eerily consistent among all the psychics who've responded to this case is: water.

      Sure makes one wonder.

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    2. Psychics always say it's near a body of water, seldom will they give you the exact location.

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    3. Safe boiler plate psychic answer : "near water". Unless the psychic is dealing with a case in an extreme point of geography, most locations are "near water" of some sort.

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    4. Not near, "in water".

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    5. Approx 75% of the earth is covered in water. If you're a "psychic", you're playing the odds, and the odds are we are almost ALL close to water...

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  40. The biggest problem with the river theory is that the river is very shallow in most places, less than a foot deep. If she fell through the ice she would more than likely get wet feet and that's about it.

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  41. There is a small bridge over the river where Coventry road dumps onto Lost River road: 44.098065, -71.848409
    This is also just before the 5 mile Rick Forcier possible sighting of Maura after the accident. (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zQjJMYMpktKc.ktfgHSxJkOrI&hl=en_US via http://notwithoutperil.com/)

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    1. I pointed that out on here on December 24th. However, Hurricane Irene of 2011 flooded that entire area immensely.

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    2. "There is a small bridge over the river where Coventry road dumps onto Lost River road: 44.098065, -71.848409"

      What's supposed to be there? Why there?

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    3. The Norwegian psychic talked about a river near the road and Maura sitting by a bridge listening to cars go by. This particular bridge is near Rick Forcier's sighting of someone resembling Maura running down the road.

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  42. Good find

    I will check out that bridge within the next few days and report on it. My initial thought was the covered bridge just past the stage shop but many people frequent this spot and would have stumbled on something. Also, from the bridge on is heavily panned for gold so someone would have come upon something if she was in the water.

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    1. JWB, can I ask a HUGE favor?

      Are you up for a long walk? Check out the banks of The Ammonoosuc. A prankster posted deep inside this blog last wkend and said something is semi-buried. It specified this same river.

      Again, it's probably a hoax, but ...

      Report back even if it's a Big Nuthin'.

      Thanks.

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  43. Just got back from exploring. Nothing located but this is what I saw.



    The bridge on 116/112 would have been a perfect spot to hang out as there was a large ledge on one side
    approx 6-7' wide x 10-12' long. It appeared to be a large flat rock of some sorts, It was very easy to get on
    without stepping on water or ice. The water was still flowing fairly strong with ice starting on the sides.

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    1. Abnormally warm Fall/Winter so far here. Usually the river would be froze long before now. During Hurricane Irene, 'a wall of water' rampaged down the river, and actually 'was above' the bridge, over the road. The force was so strong, the course of the river was actually diverted, rerouted in several areas.

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    2. Again, approx how many miles to that intersection? Is it possible she wouldn't have been seen? Yes, I remember no one bothered to look east. Thanks.

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    3. Just under 5 miles... see above posts. There was a sighting of a person resembling Maura near the bridge.

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  44. In the SOCO article, it says Susan Champy, left work around 7:20 pm on Feb. 9, 2004. And had about a 30-35 minute commute home. It says she left work late that day because she couldn't leave without relief. In the article, it says she came by the accident around 7:50 and there was police there with two bystanders. Susan came by the scene after Butch had left the scene and called 911.
    Most likely Susan came by shortly after Smith arrived on scene.

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  45. Love your work James. I'm undertaking my own amateur investigation quite similar to that of Maura. Check out my blog if you have time. John

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