Tuesday, February 9, 2016

Gathering in Haverhill on 12 Year Anniversary


Today, John Smith spoke to a gathering of 20 people inside the Mountain Lakes Lodge, not far from where Maura disappeared 12 years ago. John is a talker and for about two hours he spoke about his thoughts on the case, which center on a conspiracy involving law enforcement, specifically ex-chief Williams.

There was no member of the Murray family present, but Fred visited the area on Sunday and spoke to Smith for a bit. Through Smith, he released a new statement, which again calls for the FBI's involvement (even though they are involved, already) and lays out a point-by-point case pointing the finger at Williams and the Haverhill police.

Also present were Tim and Lance with the podcast and "KF." I imagine the gang will have audio for you for their next podcast.

I'm out here, too, for a bit. I came up through Boston on my way and knocked on a couple doors. There's a little bit of new info. Nothing major. I will update this week.

After 12 years, the biggest unanswered question in this case, in my opinion, is what Sara Alfieri told Fred that she promised never to tell anyone else. Past is prologue and a better understanding of Maura's actions and behaviors leading to her disappearance might lead to new angles of investigation that could point us to the truth.

I will never understand the way the Murray family has reacted to this case. The information they keep secret. How Fred wouldn't meet with police detectives for two years. Why they kept the sighting at Butson's secret. I dunno.

38 comments:

  1. John Smith likes to hear himself talk - two hours seems ridiculous but I'm sure there were people there not familiar with the case and maybe it takes that long to catch up. Looking forward to reading your new updates and seeing if there is advancement in what we know in 2016.

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    1. You are wrong.....I would like nothing more to never have to talk about this case in the future. It needs to be resolved and brushing it all under the carpet will not fulfill that mission.

      People need to hear about the issues with this case and there are lots starting in Mass. and ending here in NH.

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    2. Well said Truth Seeker. You did a great job coordinating the event and delivering the information.

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    3. Everyone, I'd presume, was gathered to reflect on the disappearance and learn more. Given the scope of this case, as well as the emotions it stirs, 2 hours is a reasonable duration. It seems kinda like a snarky dig to describe John as a "talker."

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  2. It seems obvious that John Smith has an ax to grind. He seems to have calmed down and gotten less aggressive online though since he has Tim & Lances ears. So there is the silver lining I guess. As far as Fred.... I feel like what he says now after having 12 years to reflect and practice is not nearly as profound as what he said and did in the days adjacent to her disappearance. I don't have a theory on what happened, but I have a theory on who was

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  3. Involved. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

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  4. "After 12 years, the biggest unanswered question in this case, in my opinion, is what Sara Alfieri told Fred that she promised never to tell anyone else."

    Maura's confession to Sara that she had hit Petrit Vasi would be an obvious candidate for such secretive treatment. Yet as we've seen, it's quite unlikely that Maura was the hit-and-run driver.

    Peter

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    1. If, as we've seen, that it's quite unlikely that Maura was the hit-and-run driver, why then would Maura's confession to Sara that she had hit Petrit Vasi be an obvious candidate?

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    2. I think you are right about this. Although, maybe not that she hit him per se, but knew who did and was implicated. Either way this also fits with the comment she made to James about not wanting to get Maura in trouble.

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    3. Last comment by John Green by the way ...

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    4. @Nicholas: What I meant is that Maura's confession would have been an obvious candidate had she been the driver. But she almost certainly wasn't, so the secret must be something else.

      Peter

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  5. Its hard to agree to a police conspiracy, when Fred, friends and family weren't telling the truth either.
    They wanted people to believe Maura was this all American Girl, who had Never done anything wrong, and had no reason to Run Away, when in reality Maura was having a hard time and had just got in trouble for using a stolen credit card.
    If we could understand what was going on with Maura before she disappeared, then it possibly could lead to what may of happened to her.
    I agree, What did Sara agree to Never talk about.
    Why did Fred and family Never mention the Butson sighting? Fred thought it was important enough to go and demand to see the footage but not important enough to tell the media/ people. Why? If this would of been known 12 years ago, other witnesses might of came forward with information.
    Why did Fred take 2 years to do a formal statement with the police? Me personally, wouldnt of waited 2 years. I would of told everything I knew, even if it wasn't my loved ones proudest moments. The only reason why I wouldn't tell everything, is if I was trying to hide certain info.
    They want everyone to believe that the police harmed Maura and there covering for one another. Which may be the case but its harder to come to that conclusion when Maura's family and friends have been secretive and hidden parts of the truth.
    Also, Why was Billy making all those calls? Why did Fred, Sharon, and Billy portray Maura and Billy's relationship as being perfect, they were engaged to be engaged, when in reality there relationship was in shambles. Kathleen is quoted in an article saying " She didn't believe Maura was happy with Billy" and " that she thought Maura was there to sort out her troubles with Billy."
    Hopefully this will be the year of answers and solving this 12 year old Mystery.

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    1. It's not 'may of,' it's 'may have.'

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    2. I'm always puzzled when it's called bizarre or nefarious that Maura's family and friends have publicly given a rosy description of their lost loved one. I'd do the same, for a few reasons: I'd be heartbroken and remembering only that person's most missed qualities; I'd want the public to think only the best of him/her; I'd be more confident the community would help if foul play were suspected rather than suicide or a planned escape; I'd be feeling especially private in the glare of the press. The police need to know the dirty details of Maura's life, and they very well may here. The rest of us really don't. I can't pinpoint a good reason for knowing Maura occasionally hooked up with schoolmates at the university pool.

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  6. The Butsons sighting with her friends, Fred keeping it to himself, raises a hundred red flags, he needs to explain this, poste haste

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    1. that Butsons sighting changes everything but is greatly downplayed, much moreso than the SUV sighting that seems a lot less likely... is it cherry picking to cater to pet theories? the podcast guys have had psychics on, went through the SUV story in great detail, but have not mentioned Butson's that I recall

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  7. Can we find Fred's statement anywhere?

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  8. completely agree SA is a skeleton key ~ but it appears are in the minority. Always makes me wonder who's behind the moniker(s) that dissuade that discussion.....

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    1. I don't think anyone's dissuading that discussion, as this blog and it's followers are a testament to. But it's not the only discussion going. If any discussion is being dissuaded, it's the stuff that was discussed at the meeting.

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    2. +Alex ~there are several frequent flyers not only on this site but other blog sites, that absolutely 100% make it clear its loonie to believe SA (or KMT) know anymore that the drivel they've already told. Agreed - lotsa info out there but its nuts to think they dont more than they're sellin'.

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  9. Perhaps, Billy had found out,that Maura had been seeing someone else.
    On episode 21 with KF, it was mentioned that Julie's boyfriend at the time was really good friends with Billy. Maura's breakdown at work on Thursday Feb. 5 was associated for a long time with Kathleen's phone call around 10:00 that night. Later on it was known that Maura had actually spoke with Billy last at 12:07 am before her breakdown around 1 am. Maura's supervisor (Karen)said the only thing Maura said was "My Sister". Perhaps this was in regards to Julie and not Kathleen. Perhaps Julie told her boyfriend something about Maura and then he told Billy.
    Or the other way Around. Julie's boyfriend knew something about Billy, he told Julie, and then she told Maura.
    It has been said that Billy cheated on Maura with one of Julie's friends. When did this occur and when did Maura find out about it? Could it possibly be Amber, or one of the other women Billy called on Monday Feb. 9 04?

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    1. The Amherst train station recently closed but the station that replaced it, Northampton, only has one train in each direction, daily, both arriving in mid-afternoon. Probably roughly the same schedule back in MM's day. But good conjecture anyway.

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  10. It seemed like the direction of the Hit-and-run against Petrit Vasi came from the direction of the Amtrak Station. I could see Maura going there to pick someone up and on the way back the accident occurred.

    John Avellar

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  11. I know this has been mentioned already but it may bear repeating: to understand Fred Murray obsessive need for privacy you need to understand a particular strain of the yankee mentality of people from his part of New England - culturally they are very private people.

    I'm from MA and my Dad is about Fred's age (also with a predominantly Irish Catholic background). These people are mortified at any of their business being public.
    I agree with Renner 100% that the information the Murrays have is relevant to finding Maura. At the very minimum it is (as he deftly points out) prologue.

    I just don't see Fred's privacy issue as weird because so many people I know from Fred's generation would react the same way - without any sinister intentions. It's not a sexy, exciting, or even very satisfying explanation for his secrecy, but in my humble opinion it is the right one.

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  12. I really think the family's reactions are more to do with her disappearance having nothing to do with anything prior and it is simply a tragedy. I just cannot see them maintaining a facebook page and still doing other missing persons shows occasionally if they thought any prior info was important.

    Why friends aren't talking? Same thing as above. And they know nothing major happened and that their adolescent lives are of no one's business. Their own lives were just starting to take off and all of them look as if they are no cares in the world.

    Her disappearance is a complete mystery.

    I think that her note to teachers was so the school wouldn't wonder. I think it does tie into douchebag, who did seem controlling. It's very easy to assume that leads to a runaway but there's something in me that doesn't buy it. She and a few friends might have gone there to chill for a few days. To figure out her life.

    I did that in college. I drove a few states away to Missouri and took a much needed mental health break. She likely was driving under minor influence. Maybe major. Though that road while sloshed wouldve ended in a BAD accident. I'm not TOO convinced it was her who crashed her car.

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  13. I'm just saying ...I would love to see john smith and James Renner in a point counter point type atmosphere.

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  14. So do you think she ran away because having friends with her points to that.

    If you do think this, WHY would her family members dedicate their lives to a tragic circumstance and fight against this? It can't be legal protection because after 12 years, would it be likely charges would be brought? I have no legal knowledge so I will comment no further.

    Sure, runaway cases happen every day and some are caught and sent right to court.

    IF it WAS her in the car, someone had to have picked her up.

    If it WASNT her in the car, maybe her friends dropped her off somewhere, on drove her car to a random road, "crashed" it, and waiting for a driver.

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  15. If she was the one who wrecked her car in NH, then when and why did she part with those 2 friends from Butsons? Or were they all going to the same destination in separate cars and when the crash occurred, they picked her up. But where go then? She locked the car, likely out of habit.

    And then there are the weird witness accounts from drivers and residents by the site.

    I'm confused.

    I can't dedicate brain space to this anymore. Ill check in periodically to see if something big was discovered but I wish you all well. :)

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  16. The only thing that makes sense to me is that it is something Fred Murray does not feel has any bearing on the case and is only inflammatory to Maura. It's a shame, really. Because what may seem unimportant to him, could be the one piece of information missing to get the investigation on the right path. If it was something really sordid like she got pregnant with another man, I'd completely understand his desire to share it publically. He needs to, for the sake of answers, tell someone either in law enforcement or a lawyer, let them decide its importance and allow them to at least address the public with: "We've reviewed Sara's statement and determined it has no relevance to the case."

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  17. My two cents

    If the family were hiding something BAD, and they had an inkling where she is/what happened, they'd be currently conducting themselves differently today with regards to the search.

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  18. Was Fred at Butsons with them?Along for the ride/hike/party.Is that the secret Sarah will never tell?Dont I recall someone in their family had a red truck? Another crash & Fred loses his doody on Maura.Plenty of booze to flame a drunken rage.

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  19. As a woman, with knowledge of such matters, I've always thought Maura may have miscarried a baby. This would account for the crying jags, the need to get away for a bit and be alone, the secrecy...but most of all...the total lack of good judgement on Maura's part. Just my humble opinion.

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  20. An Air Bag is designed to inflate rapidly and then quickly deflate during a collision.
    Didn't Butch say the woman in the Saturn was hidden behind the airbag? If so, Butch couldn't of seen that unless he was at the scene of the crash shortly after it happened. Which makes me think back to what Barbara said to the 911 operator. Barbara's call was routed to Hanover Disp. Because all circuits were busy. Hanover then called Haverhill to advise they had a 911 call for them.
    Then they called the Atwood home, where Barbara said "that her husband saw the crash and came here to call but no idea where the female is."
    7:27- Faith's call came in
    7:43- didn't dispatch call the Atwood's? So this would of been the 2nd time they spoke with 911 dispatch.
    1st- when they were routed to Hanover
    2nd- when 911 dispatch called them back
    Did Butch see the accident?
    How much time would it take for Butch to leave the scene, back his bus in, walk to his house, tell Barbara what happened, Barbara calls 911, which was routed to Hanover, and then 911 called them back- I say about 10- 13 minutes- which would of put Butch on the scene around 7:30-7:33.
    What did Barbara tell the 911 dispatch in Hanover? Perhaps
    "person left in private vehicle."
    If Butch was on the scene sooner than it was thought, then Maura would of had 10-20 minutes by herself.



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  21. I came across an old blog post about a woman named Martha Nagle who was a Nursing student with Maura. It said, James reached out to her but she said she was family and would say no more. Martha at one point lived in Tauton, Ma. It is believed that this is the area , where the letter of What Happened to Maura came from.
    Didn't Butch live in Tauton, Ma at some point?
    Could this be the nursing student Maura called on the day of her disappearance.
    Also, she has Black hair, which is what the 1st Bolo put out described Maura as having.
    Could she of been with Maura on the day of her disappearance?

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  22. So many things still bug me about Fred and the events leading up to MM's disappearance. Tim & Lance seem to have given Fred a pass since they are now fully aboard the John Smith train, but Fred needs to give some real answers. The unaccounted for cash withdrawals? Why did M's mom not come up during the search? Why have Sarah and Kate avoided the case? Where was Kate in the days after the party? The whole "buddy" thing continues to strike me as creepy, too. I get that people have different ways of relating to their kids but it just always grates on me when he says that.

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