Wednesday, February 10, 2016

***UPDATED*** The Strange Tale of Lori G


If you've been reading this blog for a while, you may remember all the excitement that happened a couple years ago when I discovered a strange link between Maura Murray and a woman named "Lori G." I have a little more info, now. First, a little refresher:

A friend of mine is a private investigator in Cleveland and he runs background on individuals for me, on occasion. He did a background check on Maura Murray years ago and something odd popped up. There's at least two other social security numbers linked to Maura. According to my P.I., when he's come across this before, it usually means that this person is using another person's identity. He believes it is likely Maura was using these two other social security numbers either before, or after, her disappearance.

One of these numbers belongs to Lori G.

Lori G is the same age as Maura. She lives in the general area of Hanson/Whitman, where the Murrays are from. She keeps her address and number unlisted. I was so convinced that Lori G was Maura a couple years ago that I had a police officer do a wellness check. He said it wasn't her.

This week, while in Boston, I dropped in on Lori G's ex-husband. He was fascinated with the story. But the woman he was married to was absolutely not Maura. He's never met Maura Murray and he's fairly certain Lori G has never met her, either. However...

At some point in time, Maura either intentionally (or accidentally?) used Lori G's SS number. I asked the ex-husband how Maura might have come across it. Very easily, he said. She had a habit of not keeping tabs on her personal info, especially when using computers. And when he divorced Lori G, their house in East Bridgewater was abandoned for some time. And while it was sitting abandoned, Lori G's personal paperwork was lying all over the floor.

He strongly believes Lori G's identity could easily have been stolen by someone coming into the house, or by someone dipping into her purse or looking over her shoulder in public.

Is it a coincidence? For me, it would be too much to believe it's all coincidental when you consider that Maura was already in trouble for stealing another woman's identity - and credit card number - when she disappeared.

***UPDATE***
After some further research, it appears that Lori G was born on the same day as Maura - and perhaps at the same hospital. Her SS # is two digits off from Maura's. It's possible this was an accident and at some point Maura's # was mixed up with Lori G's. However, to add extra confusion, there is a third woman who used Lori G's SS # as well, a 60 yr old woman with the last name Richardson.

Part of me wants to write this off as a mistake but the P.I. has only really seen this in people who have stolen identities. It's weird, like everything else in this case.

45 comments:

  1. "There's at least two other social security numbers linked to Maura."

    JR: We need more info. I find it a stretch MM was trolling through an abandoned house. We'd also need more concrete evidence that the two women were acquainted with one another.

    What's up with the other numbers?

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    1. maura probably wouldnt be snooping thru deserted houses but people & pro's do & they sell the info ~easy as pie to become someone else

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  2. Wow. So I binged your blog after reading a cracked.com article where they cited you about the creepy anniversary video and for some reason, now that I'm all caught up and current, I don't remember this Lori G. thing but this is absolutely fascinating, James. East Bridgewater... Connecticut? New Hampshire? Massachusetts? As far as I can tell, Maura would have connections to all three.

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    1. Welcome to the blog! I got hooked after I read that article too.

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  3. WEIRD.

    My question is, why would she use a second # BEFORE? Stealing a credit card, that's not TOO uncommon. But using a person's SS# takes balls. Or they're legitimately trying to hide something.

    Dude, before now, my conspiratorial brain was going nuts, especially since I just discovered a former boss of mine had a double life.

    Now, my brain may never be the same.

    Really starting to think she was in deep shit and people WERE following her.

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  4. Got to hand it to James, he keeps things interesting on this blog. It is a complete mystery what happened to her, all angles should be explored

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  5. There probably is nothing here. For what it is worth, a contact I have in the federal government whose role would have him very informed on the topic told me that mis-associated SSNs happen all the time in various government databases, resulting in pings on background searches. Further, in the vast majority of cases, when background checks associate a single person with more than one SSN, it is the result of such a mis-association. This makes sense, if you think about it: if you steal someone's identity, the last thing you are going to do is use YOUR name in association with THEIR SSN because (a) it defeats the purpose of stealing an identity, and (b) it roadmaps LE to you.

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    1. So how common is it for this miss association to happen with another person who is the same age and lives in the general vicinity and happen twice?

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  6. What do you mean by "linked"? Were Maura and Lori's SS numbers similar?

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    1. Example, Lori has a 667 maura might have 668 , just a couple numbers different or off each other's, it said they were born same day and in same hospital so their ss #s if requested same time would be very close

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    2. That does not make sense. MM and I are born months apart and back then, you did not apply for a ssn at birth like you do now. I didn't get mine until I was two. My brother was just born and my parents mailed the forms in the same envelope. The last three of our numbers are way off but the first of the last four is the same. Not saying she stole the identity but it sounds very odd. Maybe lori stole maura's not maura stealing hers. There is no way being born on the same day, same hospital gets you a ssn one number off. My friend's twins don't even have numbera one off from each other. Something is fishy herw. I don't know what yet but something is way off.

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    1. It's in south eastern MA. Close to where Maura grew up.

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    2. I grew up and still live in the area. The two towns (EB and Hanson) border each other.

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  8. Did the police look into this?
    Is there a way to see if this social security number became linked to Maura's name before or after her disappearance?
    Who does the other two social security numbers belong to?
    Were you able to speak with Lori G?
    When did they leave there house abandoned and for how long?
    I would run the background check again and see if anything new has popped up, since last time.

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  9. I'm a bit confused about the chronology. If Lori G. is about Maura's age, does that mean by age 21 or so Lori got married, bought a house, got divorced and abandoned the house?

    Peter

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    1. Well they were born same day, and right now maura would be or IS 31. Yea that's ten years allot can happen in ten years.

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  10. ~james, were the social security numbers at all alike? seems like a stretch that she could have "accidentally" entered a SSN of someone her age in her general area. also, can your PI tell if any of the SSNs has activity since 2004?

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  11. Sounds like Lori G needs to regulate...her personal info.

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    1. Hmmm...she said "My car's broke down and you seem real nice, would ya let me ride?"

      Case closed: Maura Murray was picked up by Warren G and Nate Dogg after she lost control of her car and crashed it. I would check the Eastside Motel next. If you find Warren's missing rolex, you'll find Maura.

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    2. OMG, this whooshed over everyones head, I think. 5 star joke there! Regulators, mount up!

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    3. That was impressive how that comment thread went.

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    4. She might be tweaking, onto a whole new level. I would check the 213
      Area code.

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    5. "She might be tweaking ..."

      Becki: You gave me an unintentional giggle. I read it too fast at first and thought you typed "She might be twerking ..." instead. Ooops

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    6. Rhythm is life. Oh, and life is rhythm.

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  12. Dear Mr Renner
    2 months Since I'd stumbled apon this case ( Which I have the youtube channel Geekendorx to thank for that ) that this case peaked my intrest . then i found your podcast(s) WOW ... I have a quick question is there a date to which a person goes missing that there SS number becomes inactive .?

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    1. https://www.socialsecurity.gov/OP_Home/handbook/handbook.17/handbook-1721.html

      7 years after a person goes missing and there is no activity the SS adm considers them dead.

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    2. Mr. Lordan-LOVE your channel and investigations... and thoughts on various "Brainscratch" topics. You put in a lot of thought in your cases. Kudos!

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  13. Does the PI know how Lori's SS# was used? Obviously you probably won't publish that but I am just curious if he can tell.

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  14. ~ that girl had a plan & it started way before 7:27pm on Rte112. whatever the checkered flag WAS that made her head out in the late afternoon on a frigid February day remains to be seen.....

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  15. 1) were the numbers similar? i'm assuming they were since you say that Maura and Lori are the same age and from the same area. The first three numbers of social security are assigned based on location. So those numbers are most likely the same since they both came from Hanson MA. While you can't determine someone's age by SS# I think they do tend to go in order so Lori's and Maura's are probably close depending on who was born first and assigned their number first. Therefore due to this similarity it might be a case of an honest error--hitting the 5 key instead of 4, or misreading a written 1 as a 7, for example, that inadvertently linked Maura to Lori.

    2) if you're using someone's SS# I find it unlikely you still wouldn't be caught after 12 years even with Lori's disorganization and scatter-brainedness.

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  16. I work in banking and spent my first two years out of college in credit card new accounts dealing with risk and fraud. It's not unheard of for people with similar information (in this case, DOB and SSN) to show up with mixed information on a background check. Because DOB (which is the same here) and SSN (which is very similar) are two of the critical pieces of information involved in credit reporting, having both pieces of info be similar could lead to a criss-cross in reporting that makes it look like Maura used Lori's infor and/or vice versa when it really didn't happen. There doesn't have to even have been any using of the other person's identity when the information is so similar. Something you don't hear often is that something like 3 out of 10 people have mix-ups on their credit report due to things like this.

    Here's an example. When I was younger, I lived with a roommate who had the same first and last name as me. It was an odd situation, and it led to some headaches when I'd moved out. I had to send in paperwork to get some credit marks removed from my report that weren't mine. In addition, I also got a call from a debt collector a couple of years later that weren't for me because they found me via their skip-tracing process when they were looking for him. If I'd known before what I know now, I'd never have lived with him in the first place.

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  17. I think you downplayed the importance of this, but to me this seems pretty substantial. I wonder if this woman has ever seen activity on a credit report that wasn't from her. I wish you could speak to her directly to find out.

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  18. For those people who think it's simply impossible to assume someone else's identity and live your life with no-one the wiser, this is the case I'm always reminded of:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Erica_Ruff

    It's really not a stretch to imagine that if Maura wanted to disappear with no trace, she could have. All she had to do was find someone who could supply her with the proper documents, and for a price (a possible explanation for Fred and the strange money withdrawals) she could very well have had 'professional' help and voluntarily vanished. I know that the argument that Maura's case has been far too publicized for her to successfully run away is popular, but Lori Kennedy's case has also received a lot of publicity, and in her case, even though we *know* she was using another person's identity for years, investigators still have been unable to figure out who she actually was.

    One of the reasons I find this such a credible scenario for Maura is specifically because there are so many odd, mysterious, unanswered questions and potential red herrings that are connected with her case. When someone is planning to disappear, especially if they are working with a professional to do so, they will purposely try to muddy the waters and throw people off track.

    This podcast discusses people who purposely disappear, and it's quite eye-opening:
    http://tunein.com/radio/MISSING-p790971/

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  19. As a nursing student doing clinicals, would she have had any access to patient records for the hospital network in the region?

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  20. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised with overlap due to the number being similar. I, personally, have to carry around paperwork for my entire life showing that my SS# belongs to me as Social Security gave the same number to another person, but I was a handful of years older.

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  21. Maura was never charged with identity theft. As far as I am aware she did not use anyone else's social security number to obtain a line of credit or goods. All she was charged with is credit card fraud. Lets not confuse the two.

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  22. Identity theft is hardly what she was charged with. No need to sensationalize a case that's plenty intriguing without it. (In re-reading parts of this blog, I'm so unsettled by the description of Fred's house - "a dump," the mention of Billy's sister's suicide, the implication that Fred is perverted and bookmarks adult magazines with photos of young female relatives, etc., etc. I'd rather wait a while for new posts of quality information than read hurtful, irrelevant gossip about and insults lobbed at those who were closest to Maura and surely don't need the added grief. No matter anyone's opinion of Fred and his role in or reaction to his daughter's disappearance, the state his home is in is nobody's business. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to mow my lawn or tidy up my living room, either.)

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    1. Melissa-when police conduct an investigation they brainstorm ALL possible situations, whether they may be uncomfortable or not. That's how cases get solved. You talk realistically and are not afraid of stepping on someone;s toes to appease their ego. If it were my child missing, I wouldn't give a crap what was said about me and I would only want to know what is everyone doing to help find my child. No time for sensitivities.

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    2. This missing case reminds me of the Missing411 cases outlined by David Paulides. It follows the same patterns of the many missing in this country...without a trace.

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  23. Oddities such as this one with the ss cards, should not be dropped. Any news on this Renner? Same with restaurant footage from 2/9/16??

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