Thursday, March 17, 2016

An Invitation to Fred Murray


There's a bit of histrionics that keeps getting repeated as we get closer and closer to the release of the book. It goes a little something like this: "Fred didn't want to be interviewed by Renner because of the things he said about his daughter on the blog."

It's catchy. Simple. And totally untrue.

Long before I created this blog, I reached out to Fred. I called him at home. I sent messages through the website admin that runs the family's site. Before I spoke to anyone, I wanted him to know that I was writing a book on the case.

But Fred made it clear to me in late 2010 that he didn't want a book written about his daughter. He didn't want to talk.

That was the first of many red flags for me. I thought about not writing a book. But the question - why the father of a missing woman wouldn't want to talk about the case - was a compelling mystery. I spoke to several people who interviewed Fred in the weeks after Maura went missing. They suggested the reason he didn't want to talk to me is because he wouldn't be able to control the questions I asked. In earlier interviews he made it clear to reporters that he wouldn't talk about the events leading up to Maura's disappearance. He set ground-rules for interviews. He knew he couldn't do that with me.

So, years later, they've created a false narrative to explain that. But it's not true.

I would, of course, still like to talk to Fred. In fact, I have always given him the opportunity to clear up misconceptions and to help us understand the truth about what happened that day. This blog has been viewed nearly 5 million times and averages about 10,000 views every day. That's a lot of people who want to help find this man's daughter.

So, Fred. Let's talk.

Here are the questions I will ask you:

1. Why did you visit so many ATMs to withdraw $4,000 in cash the weekend before Maura disappeared and what happened to all of that money?

2. How and why did Maura arrive in your motel room at 3 a.m. Sunday morning, the day before she disappeared? You told the cops you woke up to find her in bed. But private investigators were told you were called to get her out of the lobby where she'd passed out.

3. Why did you tell friends of Maura's not to talk to me before the blog was created?

4. What did Sara Alfieri tell you that she promised not to tell anyone else?

5. Why did you refuse to sit for a formal interview with homicide detectives with the state police for two years? When you finally met with them why did you feel the need to bring two lawyers?

Hard questions? Yes they are. But to understand where Maura went, we need a better picture of where she came from. Our goal is the same: to find Maura Murray.

Unless she doesn't want to be found.

98 comments:

  1. FM's thespian quotes are getting old. Stop the drama & tell the truth. Or don't. But you're not entitled to ask for public, LE, & Fed agencies help while telling 1/2 truths & omissions...

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    1. You think he actually came up with those on his own? Ha.

      Reading that "letter from Fred" was like watching an amateur illusionist perform. Fancy hand movements, fancy hand movements - don't look at what I'm doing over there - fancy talk, fancy hand movements, POOF no magic....

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    2. since my suggestion of the RAG being a "message", a "signal", a "sign" (to FM) was considered lunacy by some, since he clearly pulled the "smoking exhaust" explanation of out his hat on a dime, THEN the only answer is HIS paw prints were all over that rag, And sumtimes when 'ya lie ~ you answer questions y'all werent even asked yet...

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    3. I was looking at street view on google maps and i can't help but wonder what was going through her head when this happened. I try to put myself in her shoes and look around which way would I run if I was taking off them I zoom out and look at the big picture and there is nothing to run to. I wish I had a way to get my hands on all the information that mr renner has just to try to get a better understanding for what's going on. I wonder how familiar she was with this area. Could this have been a way to cover up an incident on campus? I'd love to know if the emergency brake was on when the car was found by the first officer on the scene. Does anyone know if she had a backpack in the car or something to carry supplies and what was she dressed like? I know it was more warm than normal but probably got very cold overnight if she was even outside that long. Does anyone know the height of the person that was involved in the hit and run on campus? I recently found out that 96 Saturn did not have a sensor in the passenger seat that would cause the passenger airbag to deploy only if occupied. To my knowledge that started in 97 but I could be wrong!

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    4. What would the parking brake have to do with anything?

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  2. Id like to know what was told to him by Sara Alfieri as well. That is a huge key in this whole mystery.

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    1. Clearly it's not since the family, who knows the most, isn't obsessing over it.

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    2. How can you characterize something as a "huge key" without evening knowing what it is? Might as well review a book you've never read. Oh wait...

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    3. Seems sensible to me Lucian. What she said that he told her not to repeat is a huge key. What issue you do have with that. The way you wrote your comment it sounds like you think you are calling out someone for writing something nonsensical. In fact, it makes perfect sense.

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    4. Because, John, to say that something is "key" to a case means that it is critically related to the solution of the case. It's impossible to know whether or not it is related to the case when one does not know what the information is. It may be something private about Ms. Murray which has zero bearing on her disappearance. It may be something private about Ms. Alfieri that has zero bearing on the case. It may have been overblown or exaggerated from Day One, or it may not even have happened at all. To say that it is "key" is, as you say, nonsensical.

      The problem is that people have a tendency to think about these things as they were mystery novels or movies in which everything has been scripted toward some deliberate end. In real life, we often do not know what is important and what isn't.

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  3. What is strange about the Maura Murray case is I have never heard of someone driving a car in that condition(3 cylinders) who was bold enough to drink and drive. It takes concentration to keep the car going. That more than anything is what surprises me about Maura Murray's case.

    Maura Murray would have lost cell reception before she got to the accident scene and would have known that if she looked at her phone. Her statement to the bus driver was just what Mrs. Raush said on Disappeared, "Maura lied but she is not a liar". She did not know about the reception is what I think. I do not have Samsung so I do not know. Maybe someone else does.

    Or she crashed and took a ride. That is equally possible.

    I really do not think Fred Murray has anything to do with what happened out on RT. 112. I think he is just as puzzled as the rest of us. I do not know if we will ever really know what happened to Maura Murray.

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    1. I tend to agree with you. No idea why Fred removed all that money, but I do suspect it may have something to do with his rather dire financial situation, the house about to be foreclosed on, and the fact that he was wanting to withdraw money to have on hand before its creditors came after him. I don't think he has a single thing to do with his daughter's disappearance. Some of his inconsistency his statements and his telling her friends not to talk to the media, I think, I have to do primarily with his wanting to protect her reputation. He knew she'd been in some legal trouble before, and I think he didn't want any further problems to be Brett around or brought up again. I think we'll never find out what happened to her.

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    2. I have posted as toomanyquestions and the comment is mine above. If the family or Fred Murray know anything it is probably concerning Maura Murray's family life. What I thought was interesting is that a couple years ago on Chronicle t.v. program, Maura's sister Julie, when describing the accident Maura Murray had with her father's Toyota Corolla earlier said, "He was not that angry." I thought that was very telling because whether it was just a misinterpretation, it made me think that if Maura Murray had crashed her dad's Toyota Corolla, he would have been angry to some extent. I also think the boyfriend and his parents know more about Maura Murray's personal life than they let on as well.

      But does that have anything to do with Maura Murray's car crash and disappearance on February 9th, 2004? No. Not to the extent it can be proven. Kids fight with their parents. Sometimes they make mistakes and crash a car. But in 2 days would Maura Murray pick up and walk away from her entire life and family? That is the real question. Was the catalyst that weekend, whether it be the Vasi accident or crashing her dad's car or was it over a longer period of time? It is an interesting question to ponder.

      I can only guess police have assumed that even if she was depressed, her depression only led her to go on the trip, and not to walk away from her life. Because of that what happened out on Rt. 112 was a real accident with a person who was really drinking who was really scared about getting a DUI. And whether she walked into the woods and froze to death can be considered another possibility. Did she end up on Rt. 112 because she planned to or was it just circumstance?

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  4. I think many feel that FM has a guilty conscience. That is why he was so adamant to have files handed over to him, to see if he 'was a person of interest'.

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    1. LOL.....IF Fred was a POI they would not release those docs as part of the FOIA.

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    2. Correct! They didn't release them, as still an ongoing investigation.

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  5. It seems people want to forget how Fred acted and what he said,in the early days of Maura's disappearance. At first his pleas were directly to Maura to return home, they can work it out like they always have. They werent to a "local dirtbag." That's another thing, why has Fred always said, it was a local dirtbag? If something bad happened to Maura, it could of happened in Massachusetts's not New Hampshire.
    If Fred would of been truthful 12 years ago, this speculation about what he did before Maura's disappearance and why, wouldn't be happening? Why did it take 2 years to do a formal statement to the NH police? His daughter was Missing...
    No, Fred doesn't have to speak to anyone but why wouldn't you? If your telling the truth, your story will be the same not change over 12 years.
    IMO- A lot of information that James has uncovered, is information Fred didn't want to be found out.
    Who wouldn't want a book wrote about there Missing loved one? It brings more people to the case, gets someone else investigating who has different ideas and views on what may of happened.
    Fred has always said, "Maura's past doesn't matter.", which is untrue. If he doesn't know what happened to Maura, then how would he know if anything in her past matters?
    A missing persons life, should be an open book whether its good or bad.
    Its okay to do a podcast/ documentary but not a book? Why?
    Aren't the podcast guys going to make money off there documentary about Maura?
    The discrepancies and lies started in Massachusetts with Maura's family and friends not in New Hampshire.
    Certain people want to be quick to say there's a police coverup and ignore what family and friends did and said 12 years ago and still are doing to this day.
    I'm sure the police weren't happy about Fred taking 2 years to do a formal statement.
    IMO- Fred knew why Maura left UMASS on Feb.9,04.
    * as soon as he found out about the Saturn, he called the lead investigator on the case,to tell them that Maura went there to do personal harm to herself.
    * his pleas were directed straight to Maura not a local dirtbag.
    Perhaps there was a plan in place and Maura didn't follow the plan.
    I'm sure Fred wasn't that calm about Maura wrecking his new car at 3:30 am, after she had been drinking. Maybe at this point Maura made her own plan.
    IMO- Maura was running away from someone or something. And its possible she is living a new life somewhere and doesn't want to be found. Perhaps something happened along the way and not necessarily at the Saturn crash.
    Did Rhonda Orway see Tim and Kathleen's red truck, to see if it looked like the one she saw on Feb.9,04?
    IMO- someone is nervous about what James might uncover..
    Keep searching, the answer is out there, whatever it is.



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  6. Sure are a bunch of ANONYMOUS posters on here.

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    1. Yep, I'm anyomous because I want to be. Who cares if your anonymous, TruthSeeker, Miss Understood, or any other name you use to post.
      Maybe just Maybe some people prefer to use anonymous. Like myself.
      But since you want to make a Big Deal about it..hear it goes.. I'm 30 yrs old,female, married with a little girl, was on the Deans and Presidents list in college.
      You sure are one to talk, when you have used several different screen names to post with. I thought you were a female when you were using Mrs.Understood. It doesn't matter, if you use a screen name or anonymous, the person could still be deceiving who they are.

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    2. Always makes me curious why people hide their identity surely being honest & upfront gives more credibility

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    3. I always post using my name but they never make the cut

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    4. Congratulations Mick you made it lol

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    5. John you have a lot of room to talk. Not being truthful about your time of service as a police officer, why you left the department, and your qualifications. Answer those truthfully and then you have room to criticize others.

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    6. I do it but not for any devious reason. I keep my accounts few and don't want people to search my name or username and find a bunch of blog comments. Not that I'm posing anything bad I just don't think it's anyone's business.

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    7. I am pretty sure that what John meant is that most commenters here don't even bother to take on a recognizable screen name. True statement. Take anonymous at 1042 ... not sure what the value of attacking John like that is. Why not just talk about the case?

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    8. Once again, the P.T. Barnum of the Maura Murray investigation makes a spectacle of himself. Imagine that.

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    9. All these people posting under the 'Anonymous' name in here makes it very difficult to distinguish WHO THE HELL IS WHO.......Now that is confusing.

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    10. Orange blogger anonymous types: "If Fred WOULD OF been truthful" and "Who cares if YOUR anonymous" and then... "was on the Deans and Presidents list in college".

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  7. I wouldn't want a book written about my child either. Even less so if they were missing as there would likely be victim or family blaming even if they weren't at fault. I really don't think this is as unusual as you are claiming. Most families of the missing don't want to see their pain and private lives exposed to the world, they just want their loved one back.

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    1. Yes. Some speculation is simply beyond the pale around here. The family almost has no choice but to disavow it and move on.

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    2. Her reputation isnt being judged. But her life prior to Rte 112 could hold valuable info. A book may land in the hands or be discussed in the presence of someone that doesnt even know THEY KNEW something about the case. Whats the difference between talking about her life (rumor & speculation) on blogs & podcasts than in a book? AND why wouldnt the family want her story to reach as many people as possible? .....hmmm.

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    3. There is no one way to search for or grieve for a missing loved one and until you have actually been in the thick of it, you really don't know how you will react. You may think you will be shouting from every rooftop but if your words are twisted for no good reason or people just don't like the way you look and mistrust you because of that... you may not be as willing to spill your guts for all to see. Maybe you are willing to let the professionals such as the police or private investigators do the talking while you grieve and hope in the background. I have come in contact with hundreds if not thousands of families over the years of working with missing persons cases and no two families handle it the same way. People need to stop assuming that their own personal experience is the same as everyone elses and show more compassion.

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    4. I agree, I think it sounds pretty normal for a parent to want to keep any negative information about their child private. I don't think that Fred is withholding anything that he thinks would help solve the case, because I truly believe he is just as distraught as he has stated in the past that he is. Any inconsistencies in his statements and behavior probably has practically everything to do with the fact that is all too aware that Maura is singing and fighting a negative light and any circumstances, do too some facts about her life at the time she disappeared. It seems pretty logical to me that he would not want those things gone over with a fine-tooth comb. We always want our loved ones to appear in the best light possible, for the receipt or not...

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  8. Is truth seeker your true name? What is wrong with five "adult men" working together as a team to find Maura Murray and bring legal justice to her and her family? Why can the five of you work with the NH COLD Case Unit? I am referring to James Renner, Clint Hastings, John E Smith, Lance R and Tim P. Put your egos aside.

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    1. To be fair, Truth Seeker's real identity is well known. Having a screen name is a shade different than posting anonymously.

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    2. That's not the way it works Jeannie.....I supply info to the the NHCCU all the time but it is not reciprocal.People have worked together on this case for years.

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    3. I don't know who Truth Seeker is Lucian .... could you tell me? john888green@gmail.com

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    4. Oh forget it Lucian .... I know who it is now. I don't know why he does not post under his real name. He offers legitimate and intelligent points of view. With certain idiots who tended to harass him and others now afraid to show their face on this blog, the discourse is better and nobody really needs to be anonymous anymore. But of course, that is up to each individual and does not matter.

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    5. Truth seekers identity wasn't known for a while.
      Like using Mrs.Understood is a Big Deception on who you are.
      I'm sure others that it was a woman not John Smith.

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    6. Actually what's most disruptive is having to wait to have comments approved; the delay confounds the flow of conversation. There are hidden comments in some queue that I cannot see and my responses therefore aren't what they would be had I been able to fully see the remarks made before mine. A necessary evil though, I suppose, thanks to the local wildlife.

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  9. The reason for Maura leaving UMASS may or may not be relevant to her disappearing. You have to go with what is known and that is that Maura left UMASS and at some point between UMASS and Haverhill, NH went missing. Maura could have left with an intended destination in mind, gotten into the accident and picked up by a random passerby who then did harm to Maura thus making the reason behind Maura leaving irrelevant. Until Maura is found either dead or alive you cannot say with 100% certainty is that Maura left and something may sinister may have happened to her.

    For example I had a few friends when I was away at college that just decided one day they were going to get in their car and drive down to New Orleans for a week for no other reason then they just wanted to do and decided to do it on a spur of the moment.

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    1. Yes road trips are common and expected for high school and college students. People here are assuming that due to her distressed state at work her last day, her email left with her packed up belongings in her room, the lie to professors, and an alleged temp MIA status of her college bff this specific trip to NH is suspicious.

      Now, what no one knows is, what happened there and when she, if she was with friends, split from them.

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  10. The big case that comes to mind when parents brought attorneys to investigators was jonBenet. Both of them brought their own lawyer. And don't people think Patsy killed her, albeit on accident/under duress?

    now, I am not implying Fred is a murderer or hurt anyone.

    But he might have originally believed she ran away or commit suicide. But over time and his own search revealed to him something sinister happened.

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  11. And come to think of it, Jonbenet's case was hugely mishandled by the police too.

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    1. Jonbenets brother also posts on the Maura Facebook page

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  12. Since it has been confirmed that the Murray family believes Maura met with foul play, perhaps they simply do not want someone profiting from their personal tragedy. It has been (without a doubt) a soul shattering experience for them. ....And very few of us will ever know what it is to walk in their shoes.

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    1. soooo that means (the family)is okay with podcasts & blogs that go over & over & over theories, speculation & conjecture only because no one is making a profit on it? Man oh man, if a book might reach another dynamic of people & increase the chances of locating her/or having justice prevail WHY wouldn't (you) grab the chance? that bugs me.

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    2. Anonymous @938 ... if that is the case, why does Fred go on TV and talk to journalists? James actually addresses your point in his post.

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    3. I agree... What's the difference between a documentary or a book? Both will make money at some point.
      I'm sure James, hasn't made that much money investigating the case of Maura Murray.
      I know if it was my missing loved one, I would want any and all publicity because it brings more people to the case and might get someone talking.
      James has already done a lot of the leg work in this case, and has uncovered a lot of the information that wasn't previously known.
      Bottom line is some people don't like the fact that James believes Maura ran away to start a new life and isn't pushing the "Local Dirtbag" theory.

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    4. The podcast guys are not committed to a specific outcome. They are not building a case for one theory. They are open to ANY possibility. This is a whole lot more respectful to the (grieving) Murray family.

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    5. The difference isn't in the media type. It's in the people producing it. James can't be manipulated while others have shown that they can be.

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  13. What was in the Saturn was Reference books. right? Did they find her other textbooks in her dormroom?

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  14. I'd like you to ask him if the car was damaged the weekend he saw her, before she disappeared.
    I found it interesting the way John Smith asked James if he was "satisfied" on the Vasi hit, without saying she didn't hit him. Fred would know whether or not she hit him, and neither John Smith or Helena deny her involvement to my knowledge.

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  15. This picture of Fred has always irked me.

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  16. I would like to know what other information was found on Mauras computer

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  17. For the record, I don't have an opinion about Fred as a human being. I don't know him. But if I could ask him questions, I would ask him to expand on or explain some of the bizarre statements he made to UMASS police. Of course, I would start with the oddity of his statement about picking up Kate in a "student lot." It requires further explanation. On its face, it is a highly suspicious statement that goes against blatantly obvious empirical facts.

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    1. I've read this before and didn't understand its significance -- could you explain in detail?

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    2. Hi Bill Occam (surely not your real name).

      The significance is that Fred obviously contorted a fabrication in his statement to UMASS police about the events of Saturday night. The significance is whatever his motivation was for doing that. In combination with other wierdnesses about his statement (e.g., it is the original source of the curious story about car shopping and the $4k "on [his] person" stories) one wonders what he was disguising, covering up or diverting attention from in his statement. Why would someone make a point of saying they were in a student lot near Maura's dorm on a Saturday night full of odd and still unresolved issues in this case? There really is no question that if in fact he or he and Maura picked up Kate, they would have done so right outside her dorm, at the bus stop nearby where students are frequently picked up, on Fearing St., at Maura's nearby dorm. But not in a dark parking lot with no signage (at that time) directing anyone to it that was further away and across a heavily travelled street than these other, frequently used, highly logical places to pick her up.

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    3. Thanks, John -- very helpful. I agree that unprompted specificity deserves greater scrutiny. That said, aren’t benign explanations just as plausible as malign? (For example, Fred and Maura arrived in the car at the friend’s dorm to learn that her shower was running late, and then chose to park somewhere other than a bus stop to wait while the friend finished.)

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  18. Fred is a shady person.

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  19. I am hoping someone can help me understand this a little better. After hearing that MM’s car was fully operable after the airbag deployment I was really confused. This makes me want to consider Butch Atwood again. I know everyone has counted him out because he was morbidly obese and had a litany of health issues, but why not Butch? As far as I can tell he was a big guy in general and not just because of his weight, he did fail a polygraph test, he was the last to see her alive moments before a responder showed. From what I can tell his name was Arthur Everett Atwood and he was a civilian employee of the Taunton Mass. Police Dept. at some point.

    If the prevailing abduction theory is an opportunistic predator, then he had the most opportunity of anyone.
    Not saying that BA has anything at all to do with this, but we seem to know more about many people in this case, but not much about the last known contact she had.

    Any thoughts?



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    1. Yes rc00pr I have some thoughts about Butch Atwood. I posted a couple of times on a previous blog from February 21st about a New Maura Murray article if you're interested in going back and reading it. Most people who are part of this blog have completed written him off as a suspect. I shared some reasons as to why I didn't agree with the majority.......

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    2. As far as I know the time line is too tight (a matter of 7-20 minutes from when he spoke with her, and the police arrived) and there were witnesses, who saw him both stopping to speak with her and him leaving. Unless you mean he somehow located her after calling the police?

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    3. That is a possibility along with what if she was unconscious in his bus while he was doing "paperwork." Or what if he told her a place to go hide out until the police left. Just a couple thoughts.

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  20. Her boyfriend was cheating on her, of course she will run away, he gave her the money to survive until she finds her new life way

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    1. Um, a cheating boyfriend, even one who used to treat girls like shit, is NOT a catalyst for starting a new life.

      Cheating is pretty common. Unless a person is weak as fuck, they wouldn't react to that by running away.

      I HIGHLY doubt she ran away. Sure, Kate kind of suggested she might have thought about it, but even in NH where few people live, it would've been hard even in 04 prior to social networking.

      When few people live somewhere, it's harder to fall into a crowd unnoticeable.

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    2. Running away is a common response to infidelity?

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    3. Um, if my boyfriend is cheating on me, I may try to make HIM want to skip town, but I'm staying put, thankyouverymuch.

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    4. It is if your pregnant with the cheating boyfriends baby and you want to have the kid without telling him or his family.

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    5. My boyfriend cheated on me countless times throughout our relationships and at the end of it, I considered moving to Texas for a fresh start. I cut my hair instead but it is common for someone to want to make a a "huge" change after a traumatizing (for lack of a better word) experience so they can feel a fresh start and in control.

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  21. This timeline of events is very interesting - http://findmauramurray.fr.yuku.com/topic/2#.Vu0fy-KLS1s

    One of the most interesting parts of the timeline for me, is this;

    "Late October, 2006

    Volunteers lead a two day search within a few miles of where Maura's vehicle was found. In one particular area, a closet of an A-Frame house, cadaver dogs went "bonkers," identifying the likely presence of decomposed human remains. A sample of the carpet was sent to the New Hampshire State Police - no tests are known to have been conducted."

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  22. Sorry, new around here. But is it possible that Maura was the one who withdrew his money? If so wouldn't that give her father motive? She was said to had bought alcohol before she disappeared, was that still in the vehicle when it was found?

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  23. Just curious with the technology they have today if they could get ahold of and find the computer she used to search stuff could they possibly find anything else that could be of benefit? Also do you think Maura had any accounts on social media that could help this case I know back in those years Myspace, Icq, Yahoo messenger, Msn messenger and a few more were big ways to communicate with people. Just a thought and probably no way to ever find out.

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  24. Posting as myself.

    I agree that, if you want someone found, you embrace anything that gets the word further, and that includes your book, James. I think a repeated dynamic in this case and in Maura's life is and has been control.
    Fred cannot control how you write and how the publishers present your book. With internet media, he can monitor it and have the illusion of control (if the podcast says this, I will complain to their host, etc.) John wants to be the conduit of information to and from the family; therefore, this book is a threat. John, I will say this directly, since I see your comments. I believe you have the best of intentions, I do. But every time you mock someone (or obliquely threaten them) on the net, you weaken your stance as a dedicated seeker of truth. Also, every time I hear you say "The Family" (and I do hear it in capital letters, spoken as a title), I think of other cases where someone ran defense between a family and law enforcement, and justice was delayed or never served: The Ramseys, several Kennedy cases...
    When people are desperate for help, the accept help. Period. I speak as a former (now disabled) mental health professional and as a victim of violent crime. They don't choose teams, they don't play Robert Shapiro games--okay, we can do it your way, as long as we always talk about how I am in charge! They don't. We don't.
    There is something seriously wrong with that rag. The idea of its being a message from Maura to Fred is a new one to me, and intriguing. Fred stated on tv that Maura never gave her family a second of trouble. I had to replay that to make certain I heard it correctly, because it changed it my ears like a warning bell: shoplifting, asked to leave a prestigious military school, stealing a dorm mate's credit card, chaotic behaviors such as (apparently) hoarding food, hysterics as work, being suspected in a hit and run, banging up her cars and her dad's cars...and all that was in a short span of time. No trouble?
    The last thing that strikes me, over and over, is the familial boundary issues: enmeshment and triangulation. Dad takes daughter and friend liquor shopping for the girl's party. Sister calls sister to relay feelings of another family member. Daughter leaving a dorm get together to go sleep in her dad's hotel room. (I am a daddy's girl, but my concourse of action would have been party-sleep in my dorm room-meet dad for breakfast at normal hour).
    There are so many red flags that need to either be waved higher and removed from their poles. The upcoming documentary plus James's upcoming book might be the collaborative tools to do just that. That is something to celebrate, period--that is, if your motives are pure.

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    1. Bravo Carla. I like you:) very articulately and logically expressed. Wish all readers here were of like mind in the communication respect!

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    2. I agree also, thank you Carla great post

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    3. I kept wondering why Fred would go to so many ATMs rather than just cash a check at his bank. For awhile, I was even thinking that money laundering or drug running (both on a small scale) might be involved. This makes perfect sense, Carla! Still, he should have told the police exactly what was happening. He was hampering the investigation of his own daughter's disappearance by trying to cover for her. Also, has anybody ever heard of a used car dealership holding a car for a week until a buyer could come back with the full amount? I haven't.
      I'd like to know how he was driving a new car if he was in such financial straits that his home was being foreclosed on?
      Fred has done more to hamper the investigation than anybody else in this sad story.

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    4. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. You made a number of fantastic points and mentioned things I've had issues with myself. I too am extremely close to my dad and he wouldn't have let me touch car keys if I had even a sip of alcohol. I hate to day it but when I heard about him allowing her to use his brand new car, especially considering all the other factors, it reminded me of the (horrible) movie, Georgia Rule. Where Lindsay Lohan's character is given a brand new sports car by her step dad in an attempt to quiet her and the abuse... My heart breaks for Maura. And to me it seems like she was acting out... I'm only posting anonymously bc I don't have a blog or google account. My name is Emily.

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  25. The last call to her was from Londonderry 2 hours before she disappeared, speculated to be on Rt. 93? It's possible she was traveling separately to a location with someone who picked her up? 93 connects right to her home town. I didn't see this information before until a read a specific article and I didn't see it mentioned here at least not in beginner's guide. Where was Fred that night?

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  26. Current headline tonight. This is what I have referred to generally when discussing people in high echelon society and shady shit, secrecy and covering asses.

    State legislators from the State of New Hampshire were notified tonight that they may be implicated in a pedophile ring that has the potential to "send shockwaves through the entire New Hampshire House of Representatives."

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  27. Fred goes on Montel Williams. What is Montel Williams doing? Making money. What are the producers of the show and the handlers of its guest doing? Making money. Different set of rules applied by Fred to James. Why? James does ask questions that Fred does not want asked. I don't agree with everything James digs into and reports on, but the fact is that the majority of it is obviously relevant to a case where there is ZERO evidence of what happened after the accident. You have to look back to recent events in that person's life. In Maura's case, there is A LOT of evidence suggesting that events during that period, in Amherst may have some connection to or provide some insight about her disappearance.

    In that context, Fred's aversion to James makes me think. But of course, I don't know exactly from Fred, first hand, why he does not like Renner. It could be a personal thing. From my perspective, however, it looks like Fred indeed - as James says - is all for media attention as long as he controls the message and questions.

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    1. Excellent point! I hadn't thought about it like that before.

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  28. Has anyone tried to apply the info we found out about Adnan Sayeds case in Serial....meaning the whole cell tower ping info....to what we know about Maura and the Londonderry ping?

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  29. Has anyone read about this case in West Virginia where the remains of a college student missing for years was found by bridge workers in New River Gorge? If you read it, the details are really similar to the basics of Maura's case. I think it shows it's likely that her remains may be close by but not yet found.

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    1. For those who think the woods search for Maura Murray means she is somewhere other than the woods, look at the details of this West Virginia case. Seventeen years after going missing, a man’s body is found a few thousand feet from his parked car. It reminds me of a Bay Area case where a murderer eventually led authorities to the body in the woods a quarter mile from where the victim was last seen, despite repeated professional searches over the same ground. Maura Murray may have traveled by road east of the crash six miles or more before entering the woods, which increases the search area exponentially. Even the most thorough and professional searches cannot cover this much ground.

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    2. I've always thought this. So many people have been found close to where they went missing and searchers never found them. But they were there all along. I just watched the Disappeared episode about Laura Bible And Ashley Freeman. Four people were last seem in a small trailer that burned to the ground. The investigators found only 1 body. The next day the family took a look and found another body laying right there in plain view! If you can miss a body while searching in the tiny space of a trailer, it explains how they can overlook someone in an unbounded space. It is possible we can dig for years and find many tantalizing and mysterious details about Maura's past and none of them will ever have anything to do with the place she is ultimately found, possibly feet from the scene of the accident. (I visited the accident scene once, by the way, on a road trip. She could be anywhere around there.

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  30. Ok it does seem very unlikely that a person would withdraw 4k from their own account in exactly the same way that a thief would have to do it. So let's assume for a sec that it was actually a thief and not Fred who took this money out. Now from Fred's POV: I'm Fred and I just found out my daughter's missing and that 4k is missing from my account. I don't think this is a coincidence I think Maura took it. I reach out to her friends and one of them confides in me that that is true. Perhaps this friend accompanied Maura on one or more withdrawal (and thus is afraid to speak to authorities and implicate herself in a crime.) As Fred, you think: Oh no! the cops won't take my daughters disappearance seriously because they will think she is just running from the law and really she may be in grave danger! So you lie to cover for her and say you withdrew that money yourself. Once you've lied you have a problem. You can no longer speak as freely with anyone anymore, certainly not authors, and you might even choose to wait until all bank video cams have been erased before talking to police. (Because they would show that it wasn't you withdrawing the money like you said you did.) if the scenario above is true it answers so many questions and possibly could answer a couple more, for example: why did Maura have to get back to her dads hotel room that night? Maybe to sneak the card back into his wallet. And what kind of secret party was it that night? If it was a party that started before and ended after midnight, it could have been a 2 day ATM raiding road trip. But the irony is that, just like Fred has always said, even if all this is true, it gets us nowhere in finding Maura.

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    1. Well said, I've been thinking for a while these exact same things. You make good points here.

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    2. Thanks! BTW, if the above scenario is correct, I believe it answers all of James's questions for Fred.

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    3. I thought the account was one Maura had access to. What father tells the daughter the PIN number to his account? Maybe her name was on the account also, therefore, it wouldn't be considered stealing. Just a thought.

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  31. Fred, It seems the masses DONT BLAME YOU! Your a father trying to find his daughter, our hearts ache for you and your family. I know Renner is an investigative jounalist and they all can be pushy but talk to him. He lists what hell ask. If not Renner we get it, but Lance and Tim's show??? Good Luck Sir,

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  32. I have no problem with him bringing lawyers when he talked to detectives. I would not talk to the police without a lawyer present.

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    1. My father was a lawyer (now deceased), and I would bring an attorney with me, but I would not wait for two years. I would be in the police station the very first day, and tell them everything I know leading up to the disappearance, good or bad. Anything to have my daughter returned to me. Having attorneys present is not an admission of guilt.

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  33. Just some perspective:

    About 10 years ago, I got myself into a mess in Arizona, thanks to a (now former) prescription drug habit. It wasn't criminal, but it was still a gigantic mess. I considered suicide. I considered trying to run away and live as a different person somewhere. Ultimately, though, I called my parents, who lived across the country. They had thought I was living as a successful professional. They had no idea what a wreck I really was. I told them everything. It was a hard and emotional conversation.

    My dad immediately rented a U-Haul and my parents drove it across the country to AZ. We piled all my stuff in it and my parents took me home, away from my bad influences, my equally effed-up friends, the drug dealers and the complete disaster I had made of my life.

    Once I got home, I got medical help and counseling. I'm now "taking it one day at a time," blah blah blah. (In the grand scheme of things, it kind of ended up being fortuitous, as my dad got sick shortly afterward and my mom needed help taking care of him.) My personal story isn't really the point. The point is that if for some reason something awful had happened to me after I got home – something completely unrelated that resulted in a missing person case – I'm sure people would dig into my past. They would discover that my parents had recently spent a substantial amount of money to drop everything to drive across the country and hustle me out of my former town. People would wonder about it, assuming it had something to do with my disappearance. And I'm sure, for the sake of my reputation – particularly on the off chance that one day someone would find me – my mom and dad would keep the whole drug addiction/"she crashed and burned and needed help" thing to themselves. (And frankly, I'd be grateful. I wouldn't want people to remember me that way.) People would find their silence on this subject suspicious, without considering that maybe it was a completely unrelated matter.

    I'm not being a troll or slamming others' opinions here. I'm just saying everything seems weird and possibly related when something unexplainable and horrible happens, but sometimes it's not. Sometimes there are things we all just want to keep private.

    If you've made it through this tl;dr post, thanks for reading. For what it's worth, I don't know Fred or the family. But there are many parts of Maura's life, at least what I've read of it, that remind me of my own somewhat dark past. The one good thing about that experience: It showed me the lengths to which my parents would go to help me out of a horrible situation. I'll always be grateful for that. I didn't deserve it.

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