Monday, March 7, 2016

**UPDATED** Live Discussion Tonight


Forget the Presidential debates, tonight's big debate is about the Maura Murray case and it's LIVE!

I'll be on with Lance & Tim, along with John "The Wolfman" Smith and Clint "The Crusher" Harting.

**UPDATE**
Here's a recording of the live show!

29 comments:

  1. On a recent forensic files, I saw America Online was able to reproduce decade old instant messages just from having the USER ID. I think in 2004 a lot of people used instant message. Be cool if you could get thoose.

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    1. Yeah agreed. I mentioned this in a previous comment. I was in college at the same time as Maura and most people did the majority of chatting on AIM as texting wasn't really a thing yet. I asked whether the police are still in position of Maura's computer or whether it was returned to her family, or whether they even looked at it in the 1st place, but haven't gotten an answer - anyone know? (Sorry if this was addressed in the chat, haven't listened yet)

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    2. They don't even need her computer just the USER ID name at the time. And email she was using. America online was able to get a decade back off their serveres. I imagine you might need a subena but a letter to them requesting requirements is worth a shot.

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  2. The podcast was really good. There should be more of these type of podcasts.
    Why did the family say that the money was put back into the account that Maura had access to but John said "they put 500.00 back into the acct and Fred kept the rest." They made it sound like Fred put all the 4,000 back into his bank acct. Just because Fred says 500.00 was put back in and he kept the rest doesn't mean its true. Even if there is record of him putting the money in the bank, doesnt mean it was the same money Fred had on Sat. Feb. 9. What happened to the other 3,500? Fred kept it for himself. Why did Fred go to 8 different ATM's and how did he do that in 1 day when banks have caps on how much you can get out per a day? Also, a lot of banks are open until 12 pm on Sat. Was Fred's bank open on Sat. Feb.7?
    IMO- Maura was running from Billy and Fred knows this but I don't think Fred knows where Maura is today.
    Was Billy or anyone he knew involved in the investigation into grilling assaults and sexual harrassement at West Point? The investigation was announced on Feb.5, the day of Maura's breakdown at work.
    Why was Billy making an enormous amount of calls on the 8,9, and 10 th?
    Early on the phone call between Billy and Maura on Thursday Feb. 5 was Never talked about. Why? The only call mentioned was with Kathleen. Sharon did most of the talking on the blogs and media. Why not Billy? He was Maura's BF not Sharon.
    Why did Fred portray Maura and Billy's relationship as perfect and so wonderful? Could he of been protecting Maura from Billy knowing why she left UMASS and that she was running from him?

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    1. These are super great questions! Now who can answer them?

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  3. Lance looked like he was pissed off the entire time.

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  4. Great discussion guys. Glad to see that smith was given a rest.

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  5. It seems like you know shocking information about Billy. It just adds another level of sadness to Maura's life and this whole mystifying case. It's not really all that surprising. Stone cold perfectionism is a recipe for disaster. It borders on the pathological.

    I don't know why Maura was running or where she was going, but truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. It's possible to be terribly unlucky. Everyone on the Titanic had a personal story. Everyone on Flight 370 had a personal story. I dare say some of their stories were more compelling than Maura's. What horrible set of coincidences led them to their fates?

    Whatever happened to Maura, it wasn't good. She probably won't be surfacing in Canada or Ireland. And nothing short of a miracle will solve this case at this point. Then again, nothing about this case falls into the norm. So, here's hoping for a miracle!

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  6. Whatever you know about Billy must be pretty awful if SEVERAL women came forward. Reminds me of how things snowballed for Bill Cosby.

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    1. since all four know this info and it doesn't impact their different theories, it really must not be that important.

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  7. Smith is nothing more than Fred's spinmeister.

    He really got exposed here, and rightfully so.

    James, I get the sense you know the endgame here; I trust your assertions that Maura is alive somewhere.

    Good work.

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  8. "Also, a lot of banks are open until 12 pm on Sat. Was Fred's bank open on Sat. Feb.7?"
    Why did Fred wait until he got to Amherst to get cash? Why not get cash during the week from his own bank? Did he not know he was going to buy Maura a car until he got to Amherst?
    I think either they had to buy a car quickly because for some reason they needed to quickly "dispose " of Maura's car or the cash had nothing to do with buying a car.

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  9. Everytime Clint pronounced Dartmouth like the weapon plus the body part, it was so jarring. You'd think he'd have heard of the college. But I did enjoy the fact that John Smith was not in the forefront of this discussion...

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    1. Can you imagine getting stuck between John Green and John Smith on a cross-country flight?

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    2. Ha, agreed. It's one of the most famous colleges in the world. It's like someone pronouncing Yale as "yah-lay". Oh well...

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  10. I've wondered if Maura was involved in a prior hit and run. Could THAT be why she stopped driving her car.

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  11. Clockwise from top left: Bradley Cooper, Fox Mulder, Dan Harmon, and Shane from The Walking Dead.

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  12. Just now listening to this. I like the discussion format a lot.

    In light of what John said about Sharon Rausch threatening to sue him over some records he has, does anyone think it's possible she made a similar threat to the Murray family? Assuming that info paints Billy in a bad light, it doesn't seem impossible to me. Or maybe Fred wanted to protect Billy, too, or maybe it painted both Billy & Maura in a bad light.

    I love that 8 years after seeing the Disappeared episode, 8 years of reading everything I can get my hands on about this case, I'm still learning new stuff. But it's hard to keep up!

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  13. Clint and James have good chemistry. I'd like to see you guys do more collaborating in the future.

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  14. One thing that frustrates me is when I hear men discussing this case and they talk about how unlikely and improbable it is that a sexual predator would be there just at the right time to pick Maura up and abduct her. Men think it's highly improbable because they are men. Women know better. Most women have been stalked by random men a number of times in their lives. An opportunistic killer could've been following Maura -- someone who saw her at a gas station or on the road. There are men out there who are always on the prowl. When I was in my twenties I had a man follow me off the interstate all the way to my apartment and try to "ask me out." I had men follow me when I was running. I've had friends who were followed out of stores and accosted in parking lots. Another friend was followed down the highway by a man who saw her in a convenience store and he tried to run her off the road. There are predators out there who are always looking for women they think are vulnerable--especially drunk or distracted ones. Ask any woman and you'll get stories like this. Fortunately they don't usually end in rape and murder, but sometimes they do.

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    1. I think that it would be a good idea for junior high and high schools to provide optional self defense courses as electives. I am sure that there are young experienced woman officers that the students could relate to as role models.

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    2. I think that self defense training courses should be offered in schools. Young experienced police officers would be good instructors. Good role models that girls could relate to. I would like to see more woman as school resource officers.

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    3. I do not think it is unlikely for Maura to the victim of a crime of opportunity. I have been followed in broad daylight while running through a crowded forest preserve. I have had notes left on my car while I was walking through the mail on a Saturday afternoon. You never know when you may cross paths with someone who isn't wholesome.

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    4. Wait, what?! I am a woman and have never had any of that happen. If my friends have had stuff like that happen I have never heard of it. I mean I've had random guys walk up to me and try to start a conversation or ask me out, but that's about it.

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    5. I agree. I have had creepy experiences like this. I think there are more opportunist out there than we realise.

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  15. finally listened to this last night. I thought it was very well done. The only thing missing was the discussion of the supermarket sighting. Of the theories, I believe in the abduction/murder one. While abduction/murder is a long shot under normal circumstances, so is fleeing to Canada (and managing to stay hidden for 12 years) and suicide with no body, so each theory is, imo, on an equal footing in terms of probability. My prime suspect, RF, was even briefly discussed. He, to me, resembles a "local dirtbag." Clint even admitted he'd be his prime suspect if he didn't believe in the suicide theory. I don't agree with that theory because no body has turned up. While I think there is enough evidence that initial searches often miss things, I don't think someone can commit suicide within walking distance of the accident and not be found because the person cannot hide themselves. The McStay family was murdered and buried in the desert but even they were found. The local dirtbag has said and done suspicious things that were not mentioned and lived steps away from the crime scene. In such a situation the odds of an abduction increase quite a bit and Maura having such bad luck has nothing to do with belief in God. Everything that happened to her up to that point were the results of her actions and bad decisions. That ex-cop who implied RF was the unproven suspect needs to be interviewed by somebody.
    I liked the comment about the mystery witness whose testimony is often taken to trump all other testimony (i.e. cherry picking). People often remember the wrong day or time or merge two different events after the fact. Anyway good job. Even John Smith (another ex-cop)had some good comments.
    The unrevealed reveal

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  16. I think Fred withdrew the cash like he did because he was working on his job and far from his bank. In 1996 ATMs work everywhere (with a fee)but you could not go to a bank that wasn't yours and with draw any money let alone a large amount. But ATMs have withdrawal limits by withdrawal and by day. I am amazed that Fred is under such constant scrutiny when his actions later would be incomprehensible if the suspicions were true but RF, an unsavory character who lived near the disappearance, came up with a false alibi later on, had an ex who said he did it and would not let the police search his property, gets a free pass, sometimes with the excuse that "he seems like a nice guy." He does not!

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  17. At one time the police said they were 75% sure of a suspect but don't have proof. i wonder who that suspect is.

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  18. Jeannie ProvencherMarch 20, 2016 at 9:10 PM

    I would like to know how Clint Hastings got the nickname "Crusher."

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