Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Lance & Tim Speak to the AG in new Podcast


The latest episode of the Missing Maura Murray podcast just went live. According to Lance & Tim, this is the first episode of "season 3" and a new turn in their investigation as they begin to go directly to sources close to the case.

Joining them this week is Marley Davis, who works for a public defender's office in Massachusetts. The focus of the episode is a series of answers the New Hampshire Attorney General's office gave them, in order to put to bed some rumors surrounding the case.

The most interesting thing that comes out of it is a statement from the AG's office, saying that they are considering releasing the video footage of Maura at the ATM prior to her disappearance.

36 comments:

  1. The guy in the Happy Anniversary video looks a lot like Gary Simpson, the guy who kidnapped a girl in an active amber alert

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missing-tennessee-girl-carlie-trent-police-follow-500-tips-n571071

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  2. It's likely just another empty promise. However, I do hope they do. If nothing else it can put a stop to some of the theories surrounding the footage.

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  3. The NH AG? Interesting. I wonder if this is a beginning of a line of communication with the public and not just that part most interested in this particular case. We won't see true transparency but this is a small step in the right direction. VERY PLEASED SOMEONE'S FINALLY TALKING. twelve. long. years.

    "The most interesting thing that comes out of it is a statement from the AG's office, saying that they are considering releasing the video footage of Maura at the ATM prior to her disappearance."

    About time ... I'll believe it when I see it. Surely both states see that by withholding it only damages their credibility.

    Don't release it for us, release the tape for the family. Unedited.

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  4. Her assertions about statistics favoring a stranger abduction or Maura being in peril are not backed up with any hard data. She claims "studies show....", but never gives examples. I've dug around for hours and can't find anything to back her up on this.

    I hate to say it, but she's not qualified to make those assertions; her job is a glorified "gopher" in that field. Not to mention she sounds uneducated. Anyone who uses "like" and "um" for fillers in their verbiage is not that bright. I know we worship "strong females" in modern America, so I just committed the ultimate sin by criticizing her. Oh well.

    This case is slowly jumping the shark. After the book release, it's time to move on.

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    1. Hmmm. I'd disagree about the "likes" and "ums." I have a master's degree in communications but I do this. I do it when I am nervous and it's tough to stop even when I am aware of it. It's very common among females not because they are not bright, but because they're nervous that someone isn't agreeing with them (especially the use of "like"). It's kind of an insurance policy your subconscious takes out--by saying "like" you're not making a strong assertion and therefore leave room for people to still somewhat agree with you. I've studied it. But I digress.

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    2. I don't think you "hate' to say anything when it comes to criticizing something you know notching about. i wonder if you realize the irony and ignorance of your statement.

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  5. Most telling question for me... SOME of mms items were packed. Not most, all, or few. Once more I dont think she was planning to leave for good, who could leave when they were planning to see Dane Cook or start their clinicals? Im not sure who said a suicide note was left but i guess i missed reading that speculation question among news sources.

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    1. I'd probably disappear to avoid seeing Dane Cook.

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    2. Here's the thing about the Maura Murray case: while it may be statistically improbable that she was picked up by a serial killer in a 5-7 minute time frame, I'd argue that it's equally improbable -- if not MORE so -- that a girl with Maura's personal issues could SUCCESSFULLY disappear to Canada or wherever. So, if you completely ignore the possible suicide aspect of this case (which I believe to be the most viable explanation for her disappearance), you're left with the serial killer abduction scenario versus the planned escape, which are both AMAZINGLY interesting but ultimately unable to be proven at this point. And therein lies the appeal of the Maura Murray case. It's a lot like the argument for/against the existence of God: a man of science says he doesn't believe in God because he's never seen God with his own eyes; a man of faith says just because you haven't seen God doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

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    3. ive always wondered MinnieM if MM didnt have complete control over the "timing" of her trip. That CALL from "her sister" may have started whatever ball it was, rolling.

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  6. Enjoyed the podcast but as most of us know, if there is an active investigation, not much information will be given out. I always thought the timing was off and was confirmed on tonight's Q&A. Does anyone else think she could have possible been abducted in Massachusetts? She seems to have burned a lot of bridges there. Also, there seems to be no solid evidence that she was driving the car. I know it was stated that evidence pointed in the direction that she was, but what is the evidence, an account from a bus driver that is no longer alive who failed lie detector tests? If I remember correctly, he wasn't even sure it was Maura he spoke to when shown a picture.

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    1. This is a really interesting theory that I haven't ever seen discussed in any of the discussion boards I've read. I think it's just as plausible as the theory that she ran off to start a new life. What if she could have been abducted/murdered in Massachusetts and then the person or people involved wanted to make it look like she just *disappeared* so they made some calls to some hotels/motels in New Hampshire to make it look like Maura was just checking out of reality for a bit, and then they planned to dump her car at one of those locations? What if the person who wrecked the car wasn't Maura, but one of her girlfriends who was part of whatever crime happened to Maura? I really feel like you could take all the facts known about this case and use them to support this theory.

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    2. Abducted in MA/before the crash site? Has this theory ever been considered? At the very least, it's interesting.

      Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a woman who looked like Maura was driving the Saturn & staged a crash. That woman takes something (or things) of Maura's from the car. Would those items be enough for a scent dog to be able to track?

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    3. "an account from a bus driver..." What does that mean? Are bus drivers notoriously dishonest or prone to mistakes in identification?

      "that is no longer alive?" So if someone is no longer alive there statements lose credibility?

      "who failed lie detector tests?" Lie detectors tests are not reliable and he was an old man with health problems.

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    4. I agree. Something could have happened in MA.

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    5. Tantalizing but no evidence supports this.

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  7. I've never understood why the footage hasn't been released by now. if it's (clearly) just her, wouldn't it just show boring footage of a person at an atm? I forget it someone else was said/rumored to be there.

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    1. Maybe there isn't any footage and they don't want anyone to know.

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    2. That's exactly what I was thinking. They waited to long to get the footage. In 2004, how long was the ATM footage kept for before it was recorded over?
      Perhaps if there is a liquor store video, could it be from Saturday night when Fred, Kate, and Sara went to a liquor store?
      * the alcohol that has said to be on a receipt in the Saturn was the same kind Fred, Sara, and Kate had bought Saturday night.
      * in Freds statement to the UMASS police he orginally didn't mention going to the Liquor Store with Kate and Maura. FRED recalled that detail once the detective asked him about it. How did the police know this detail unless they had the footage or Kate and Sara had told them. Did the police talk to Kate or Sara before Fred?

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    3. There's always the chance some boob erased it.

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  8. At what point in this podcast do they speak to the AG. I did not listen to the whole thing (because I think they are boring and I personally dislike Lance), so I may have missed it. But it seems to me that their guest was a contractor who runs background investigations for the public defender's office. Was the Attorney General talking on this podcast at some point? Could someone give me the time when that starts so I can listen to that part?

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    1. They never got to speak to any officials in person. The meeting they had was cancelled on them at the last minute. Instead they read a series of Q&As that was "answered" in written form. This begins at 21:55. There are perhaps 20 questions that they chose to "answer". The majority of the answers amount to little more than "no comment". There are perhaps 3-4 answers which go into some detail or give a tidbit or two that is non-evasive.

      I was highly underwhelmed by the whole thing. It's clear that they said even this much only very reluctantly and after much delay. While the crew tries to pitch this as the beginning of a new area of communicating directly with LE, I have doubts that any more will be forthcoming, from this source, at least. If anything, the whole thing lends support to the argument that the officials have something more to hide than just an ongoing investigation.

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    2. I agree with you Perkus. I highly doubt that there is anymore information forthcoming. They are just jerking our chains about the ATM video. First of all they didn't want to answer the simple question as to where the location of the ATM was or at what time Maura was there. These are simple facts and either there is a reason why that info is important or they are just playing a game with the public. On one of the recent podcasts, it was thought that the ATM video was of poor quality and hence has little probative information. I highly disagree. We don't know if it was a drive up or a walk up to ATM. We don't know what she was wearing or if her hair was being worn up or down. Another thing that has always bothered me is her backpack. I read early on that Maura didn't like to carry a purse. She instead carried a small backpack to put her stuff in. A lot has been made of this backpack but I have never seen a picture of it. Look at all of the photos of Maura on the net, not one picture of her with either a purse or the infamous backpack. What is the importance of the backpack you might ask. Well there still seems to be a question as to the alcohol that Maura bought that afternoon and what happened to it. What if the backpack was small and couldn't fit multiple bottles or even one bottle into it? Would that not mean that Maura did not take any alcohol with her when she disappeared from the accident scene? Was it just left in the car or did she run down the road with bottles in both hands? I can't help but feel there is something important to LE about this video that plays into the disappearance. Or it would have been released at some point early on.
      A big deal has also been made recently about how her dorm room was left. Hard to take any information seriously when it is coming in third or fourth hand. Or being lead to believe what LE wants us to believe. Billy was apparently in the dorm room and saw first hand how it was left. Where is his account? How about either Kate or Sara? I find it unlikely that atleast one of then did not see her room in the couple of weeks they where back at Umass.
      Between Billy and one of the girls is the actual answer about her dorm room.
      The rest of the answers where of very little substance.

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  9. Butch should of been able to see what the woman was wearing at the Saturn that night. Wonder if the clothing description in the ATM video matched what the woman was wearing at the Saturn that night.
    Also, could the cashier from Butsons describe what the 3 woman were wearing, exspecially the one she believed to be Maura?

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  10. I am thinking maybe the MA D.A.'s office could kind of cajole the NH D.A. to release information that they have been sitting on for 12 years...as a favor between politicians. If Fred went to someone in MA government to try to get info...maybe it would work because this silence is unprofessional, to say the least.

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  11. I also believe the news media or an investigative journalist from a noted local news station could get some info out of them.

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  12. The vasi records (i know i know rollllll your eyes) and the ATM footage ~ sitting there for 12yrs & refusal to release both (until JR backed the vasi LE into a corner) gutta make ya think there's a big fat juicy reason why.

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    1. I agree.. The Vasi angle is discredited way too quickly..
      In the Saturn sidedoor, there was an Airbag Control Module. Why would that be in the sidedoor of the Saturn? Along with Fix a Flat, screwdrivers, Alumaseal, light bulb, all purpose funnel, another funnel, etc.

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    2. Paint chips cleared The Saturn.

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    3. The paint chips could of came from the road. Vasi was dragged by the vehicle that hit him.

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  13. Something that has started to bother me after reading and listening for almost a year: The simple email to Billy stating that she didn't feel like talking "to much of anyone right now." Just based on my own experience, that's a pretty loaded phrase. To me it means that he must have known something was bothering her--because if he didn't, wouldn't that email naturally lead to a line of questioning to see what was up? In my opinion, something had already happened at that point.

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    1. I think Maura was going through some real " growing pains" psychologically speaking. Perhaps that was a comment that simply showed the extent of her confusion or sadness. ( please excuse my complete especulative opinion).

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    2. Right. I am with you that it's profound, somehow. But if she was trying to get away from him or thought she might want to, I feel like the way she phrased it just opens her up to being questioned by him. I know my husband wouldn't just drop it if I said that. It would concern him and he'd try to figure out my problem...unless he already knew it.

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  14. After I had read several thousand words related to the disappearance of Maura, I decided that she must be a sociopath, but in the last few days I've changed my mind.

    What seems to be emerging is a girl who was living the life others had chosen for her and couldn't stand it anymore.

    For example, the Maura that is coming to life in my perception would be the last one who would have been suited to life as a military officer, as I believe was chosen for her by others--perhaps her family and particularly her father. I doubt if she was even interested in being a track star or a nurse.

    Perhaps the minor thefts of pizza money via stolen credit cards numbers and stolen cosmetics and abuse of alcohol were just ways for her to signal that she wasn't happy with the life that seems to have been chosen for her.

    So I think she intended to leave and never return. I hope the world and the universe isn't evil enough that her plans were thwarted by some horrible person who took advantage of her vulnerability. It would be a lovely resolution to this mystery if she did, in fact, manage to escape from a very unfulfilling, disappointing and unhappy life.

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  15. Not the same guy.

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  16. There is nothing that makes me think how anyone would lthink she is a sociopath. That is a definition which would show very specific behavioral patterns which I don't see. She was a 22 year old college student acting out like most of them do when away from home , stressed out socially and academically . My daughter was a real good girl ( still is) . Went to a rigorous boarding school, then to a small private college and now law school. Nonetheless when she went away to school she didn't behave like an angel. She was also an athlete who played soccer in school . Many of the girls had eating problems with bulimia etc, wrecked her brand new car a few times ( not alcohol ) just a careless driver etc etc. So the point is , that young good students simply have a tendency to misbehave and I see Maura in the same way.

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