Thursday, May 12, 2016

True Crime Garage Delves into the Maura Murray Mystery

Looking for a new podcast to binge on? Check out True Crime Garage, where Nic and The Captain crack open a cold one and discuss today's most frustrating unsolved mysteries.

This week is the first part of their coverage of the Maura Murray case. It actually works as a pretty decent definitive timeline of the days leading up to her disappearance, for those new to it.

I'll be on Part 2, which I believe is coming out May 23.

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  1. This is getting ridiculous. Another one? I couldn't even start "The Point" podcast; those two were holding beers in hand proudly.

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    1. . I have to agree. I'm really interested in this case, and I thoroughly enjoy this blood, but I couldn't stand the podcast. I saw the first one, I won't waste my time on the 2nd one. Boring, disjointed, rambling. Not well done at all.

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  2. I'm also a bit hooked on this case since I happened upon it on about two weeks ago. One of my methods of resolving mysteries--mostly scientific and medical--has been to take
    a good look at the lies people involved use to cover their behaviour. It has been confirmed by the AG's office that Maura emailed at least one of her professors claiming that there had been a death in the family.

    This seems very strange to me because, if she intended to return to school she would be putting herself in the position of having purposefully lied to her professor. In fact such a letter would be an analogue of writing: Hello,
    I'm Maura Murray and I'm a liar and I'm lying to you now.

    Such is the case because if she returned to school in the near future, her professor might actually confront her to find out who had died in her family.

    People who lie to important people in their lives generally invent a story that cannot be easily confirmed as a lie, such as: "My grandmother with whom I have been very close has taken a turn for the worse and I want to spend time with her."

    As of today, at least, this makes me consider that Maura did not intend to return to school to face the professor or professors to whom she had lied.

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    1. I like your line of thinking. Agree she probably didn't plan on coming back which to me points to a planned suicide or running away for good. Unless she thought the professor wouldn't ask or if he did she would lie further as it's doubtful he would look in to.

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    2. BINGO! I have always said that "lie" was meant for her father. She didn't want him to get word that she had left school/clinicals. She wanted to buy herself time to do what she had to do. It had nothing to do with keeping a good standing with her school IMO.

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    3. I disagree. Anytime I have had a death in the family no uni lecturers/colleagues/bosses have asked for proof. I just had to fill in paperwork.

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    4. I concur. The only caveat would be is if Maura's history of theft was also indicative of lying pathologically in which case the consequences of her lies were probably not considered by her before she spoke them.

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    5. All of my college and grad school courses had a max amount of absences allowed. Of course it was stricter for grad school. Unless I exceeded that amount (which I never tested, I never skipped) we were not required to bring proof.

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  3. LOVE that podcast! Looking forward to part 2!

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  4. Just pre-ordered your book on Amazon. Can't wait to read it!

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  5. This is irrelevant to this particular post but I have a few questions I am wondering if anyone can help me with. First, is there a map that exists of the exact areas that were searched? It is a very tough area considering the White Mountain National forest is so desolate and undeveloped. Much of it is probably rarely traveled by hikers unless there is a path or trail to follow.
    Next does anyone know if Maura's sister ever discussed with cops or anyone else what that devastating phone call was about? It seems that if it was so upsetting to Maura then her sister should remember what they talked about.
    Lastly has there ever been any mention of Who's phone number it was Maura last spoke with in Southern, NH? There are alot of people who believe she was either meeting up with someone or riding tandem with someone. I'm just wondering how there would be no evidence of her calling or emailing this person. She would have had to make a plan somehow. I think all of her computer records should be released as well. There could be something there that would mean something to someone.

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    1. Regarding your questions, this is what I have come to understand.

      I would certainly think that the NHSP would have kept such a map. However that would be part of the open file and not for public release. Maybe Fred Murray would have made one for himself as he did his own searches. As I understand it and someone correct me if I am wrong, but there had been snow covering the ground at the time Maura went missing. However the roadway was dry and clear. It did not snow again for atleast a few days later. So, it would be easy to see if someone had just wondered off into the woods. There would be foot prints and they would be easy to see. There is a old news article that makes note of Fred saying that he followed such prints but none lead to Maura. NHSP also did atleast one helicopter search with a infared camera and did not find anything. An ariel search as such, would be able to see many things that you can't see from ground level. The logical conclusion, atleast in my opinion, is that either she went down the road by herself or was picked up and driven away from the scene. I am also willing to accept that she walked or ran from the accident scene and got a ride from a stranger at a later point. Which means that she could have gone many miles before something happened to her.

      As for the phone call. The only reason we are to assume that Maura was upset with her sister on Friday morning is what she has reportedly said to her suproviser Karen. I don't doubt what Karen has stated as happening is true. We just don't know why Maura told her that. However, here is the catch 22. Maura talks with Billy around midnight and this call is after her call to her sister. So, if in fact Maura was upset with her sister, I find it hard to believe that Billy didn't know about it at midnight. I remember watching one of the TV shows where her sister is beating herself up trying to figure out why Maura became upset with their phone conversation. It would seem that either Billy knows why Maura was upset or it was the conversation at midnight that caused it.

      Someone tried to call Maura's cell phone on Monday afternoon and that call did not go thru. It is assumed that Maura either had her phone turned off or was screening calls. (I believe it was turned off). We only know about this phone call because of a search warrant by LE looking to trace this callers number and/or location. The call must have shown up on her cell phone records because there would be no other way that LE would have known about it. It is unknown to the public who called her number and why. One thing to note is that at some point in the late afternoon, Maura checked her voice messages. As I understand it, Umass had dorm room phones with voice mail. This voice mail box is different from her voice mail box on her cell phone. If that is so, then if she checked her dorm voice mail box, it would stand to reason that she was expecting someone's call. It is unknown to the public, if her dorm voice mail messages where recovered. What is on her computer is also unknown except for what was leaked to the media or to PI's by LE. I think we should all keep in mind that people leak information for all sorts of reasons. Some maybe red herrings designed to lead the reader to a certain train of thought or towards a direction away from the actual investigation. We don't know what we don't know, as the saying goes.

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    2. Regarding your questions, this is what I have come to understand.

      I would certainly think that the NHSP would have kept such a map. However that would be part of the open file and not for public release. Maybe Fred Murray would have made one for himself as he did his own searches. As I understand it and someone correct me if I am wrong, but there had been snow covering the ground at the time Maura went missing. However the roadway was dry and clear. It did not snow again for atleast a few days later. So, it would be easy to see if someone had just wondered off into the woods. There would be foot prints and they would be easy to see. There is a old news article that makes note of Fred saying that he followed such prints but none lead to Maura. NHSP also did atleast one helicopter search with a infared camera and did not find anything. An ariel search as such, would be able to see many things that you can't see from ground level. The logical conclusion, atleast in my opinion, is that either she went down the road by herself or was picked up and driven away from the scene. I am also willing to accept that she walked or ran from the accident scene and got a ride from a stranger at a later point. Which means that she could have gone many miles before something happened to her.

      As for the phone call. The only reason we are to assume that Maura was upset with her sister on Friday morning is what she has reportedly said to her suproviser Karen. I don't doubt what Karen has stated as happening is true. We just don't know why Maura told her that. However, here is the catch 22. Maura talks with Billy around midnight and this call is after her call to her sister. So, if in fact Maura was upset with her sister, I find it hard to believe that Billy didn't know about it at midnight. I remember watching one of the TV shows where her sister is beating herself up trying to figure out why Maura became upset with their phone conversation. It would seem that either Billy knows why Maura was upset or it was the conversation at midnight that caused it.

      Someone tried to call Maura's cell phone on Monday afternoon and that call did not go thru. It is assumed that Maura either had her phone turned off or was screening calls. (I believe it was turned off). We only know about this phone call because of a search warrant by LE looking to trace this callers number and/or location. The call must have shown up on her cell phone records because there would be no other way that LE would have known about it. It is unknown to the public who called her number and why. One thing to note is that at some point in the late afternoon, Maura checked her voice messages. As I understand it, Umass had dorm room phones with voice mail. This voice mail box is different from her voice mail box on her cell phone. If that is so, then if she checked her dorm voice mail box, it would stand to reason that she was expecting someone's call. It is unknown to the public, if her dorm voice mail messages where recovered. What is on her computer is also unknown except for what was leaked to the media or to PI's by LE. I think we should all keep in mind that people leak information for all sorts of reasons. Some maybe red herrings designed to lead the reader to a certain train of thought or towards a direction away from the actual investigation. We don't know what we don't know, as the saying goes.

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    3. Thanks for the info. I do believe that she accepted a ride from the wrong person and met with foul play. It's the only way to explain the loss of her scent so quickly. It's not possible that she just ran off. However the search area question of mine had more to do with abduction, and the murder and dumping of a body. I don't mean to sound insensitive this is just what I have always thought happened to Maura.
      I understand certain information is not released with an ongoing investigation but it's been over 12 years with no real leads and I wonder if there is something that would mean something to someone if it were made public. It would be one thing if there were a suspect or real persons of interest but HPD has always seemed to treat this as a case of someone running away to start a new life.

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  6. Impulsive yet indecisive, she ran away and met a fate that has prevented anyone from finding her. Sad really. Who you are as a parent has a great influence on what your kids do often to their detriment.

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  7. This Podcast: Into it now. Goofy and tasteless at the start but they do hunker down and get into it. Lots of incomplete information though ... Dang they did a thumbs up for Clown Shoes® ... gotta appreciate their taste in beer though.

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  8. Nursing school is a lot different than other university courses. Granted, I can only speak for the school I went to but they required Mass cards and obituarys in the event there was a death and you still we not excused from the absence. A nursing professor would most definitely be asking about this in person upon return. this is pretty standard (from what colleagues have reported of their schools) and well known to nurses in the program.

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    1. I agree. As a nursing student we could not miss a single class or clinical without notifying staff. You needed a physicians excuse for a medical issue. A death had to be a close family member and you needed permission to miss class that day. I had a dear friend ask me to accompany him to the funeral of his father. His father's body was found in a river (Cleveland area) and they didn't know if it was murder or an accident. Of course, my friend was really distressed and wanted support. I was not granted approval to attend by the nursing school because the friend was not my fiance.

      I think Maura either had no intention of returning or she had too many issues at the time to even care about the consequences. Missing time from nursing school was the least of her problems.

      I keep counting the days until my True Crime Addict arrives from Amazon. Cannot wait!

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    2. Even if proof weren't required, all it would take to possibly get her caught is one caring professor to ask who passed away & how she was doing. If I'd done that during college, my voice instructor & a couple of professors with whom I was close would have asked about my well-being.

      I suppose she could have had another lie ready--like it was a cousin to whom she was close when she was young but wasn't really close to now, but her father insisted she attend the funeral. Or something like that. But I do like the theory posited earlier in this thread that maybe the lie was to give her a head start on leaving forever, not just to excuse an absence.

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