Monday, July 11, 2016

A Nexus of Stories

Well, I don't know what to make of this all - and it's probably nothing, right? - but I'm just going to put it out there.

Have you ever heard of the Elizabeth Lund Home for Unwed Mothers? I mention it in passing in True Crime Addict. It's where Tim Carpenter - Maura's sister Kathleen's husband - was born. A reader pointed out to me yesterday that it was also the birthplace for serial killer Ted Bundy.

The Elizabeth Lund home still operates. It's still a destination for unwed mothers. And it's in Burlington, Vermont... you know, the town that Maura Murray had printed out directions to.

A coincidence? Or more of that "fearful symmetry?"




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  1. Could this summary of their services be part of her internet searches or destination: Residential Treatment: We provide residential treatment for substance abuse and mental health issues for pregnant and parenting women — the only place in Vermont where moms can receive treatment while living with their children.

    Again, interesting.

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    1. That makes no sense for her. She didn't have children.

      I don't think she would've just jumped in her car and shown up, especially considering the residential part is for mothers with children. As a nursing student, she would have known of other services for her.

      This doesn't sound like a place you show up pregnant and live until the baby is born. It's family-centered and mostly outpatient.

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  2. I noticed this in your book too. Figured it was weird, but not much more.

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  3. Wow, that is a great insight. The inference you make could also be consistent with her searching the internet for information on the effects of alcohol on pregnancy. Of course, in that case, whatever she learned did not apparently influence her judgment on Monday the 9th. Interestingly this theory could also provide an explanation for the Thursday upset: she had learned she was pregnant. This makes me think of the guy from Saco saying that they never got the full story out of Kate about a rape of Maura at a party, or something to that effect. Could the scenario be that such a rape occurred, she learned on Thursday that she was pregnant (perhaps after visiting a clinic right before her shift at Melville) and it was not the pregnancy alone, per se, that had her travelling out of state (which is hard to explain) but instead that - upon discovering that she was pregnant - she had a moment of clarity, realizing that she needed substance abuse treatment and help sorting out her options.

    John G.

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    1. Ancientexplorer1989July 12, 2016 at 8:47 AM

      and logically, looking for a place to stay the night such as a condo/room/cabin etc could possibly account for a 'last hurrah' night of drinking before she has to confront abstinence by enrolling into this program (where you clearly wouldn't be able to bring a bunch of booze). This whole concept has me very interested. Maybe another rabbit hole will open up.

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    2. Seems more likely by the amount of booze she bought, and was likely drinking during her drive, that she was going on a bender. (I also read or heard on a podcast somewhere that pregnancy search was related to a class she was taking.)

      It's been my experience that you can't just show up at rehab centers and expect a bed. Many have waiting lists and lengthy processes to get a bed. If she was driving at night, she certainly wouldn't have been admitted in the middle of the night.

      I mean, last week she was going to a vacated house in the woods. This week she was going to a home for unwed mothers. Two years ago the tandem driver helped her escape to a new life. What is it? Frankly, I think we ought to do more searching around where her car was found. I don't think she ran off to live in a vacated home that was occupied three days later. I don't think she was planning on spending 8 months on a home for unwed mothers. That actually seems silly to me. I think it's time to get back to the facts we know and stop with the conjecture that become facts when people don't carefully weigh how their tumors will be used later by others.

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  4. ... Tim Carpenter connection ~ Im convinced there are friends/fam that know why & where she was heading that day. the real kicker is ~she chose not to come back.

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    1. Soooo, if she ended up there, EVERYONE is THAT good at keeping a secret regarding a missing person?

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  5. Ancientexplorer1989July 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    I'd be interested in anecdotal information regarding the quantity of money that would need to be paid to this clinic at the time of being admitted. such as- what health insurance companies did they accept? if no insurance, what would the cost have been to enter the program as a first time payment?

    hmmmm

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    1. Are you getting at the money withdrawn from Fred's account? The story that the family has given multiple versions of?

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  6. Was she coherent enough to purchase alcohol as a ruse to throw people off? But why waste money when she didn't have much?

    Still, that weirds me out.

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  7. I will say there are a limited number of things that could devastate a college student: death of a loved one, being dumped, pregnancy, or intense family problems.

    I DOUBT when her supervisor asked her what was wrong she would've been honest. Most people wouldn't have. It's not a stretch that she said "my sister" since she had just finished speaking to her.

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  8. To John, I believe the party was a typical college party that involved lots of sex and hooking up. Loads of video of college sex parties exist on the net. No names where mentioned because there were probably too many there who would blab.

    Also, "family emergency" doesn't have to mean her family that involves her siblings and parents. It is an excuse given to indicate some personal problem of familial relations.

    Is that home in Vermont anonymous? Doesn't explain the disappearance at all.

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    1. As a college professor, I assure you that it's not worth your time looking too heavily into any email she sent to her professors. You would not believe the amount of garbage excuses I get when students want to not be in class or do work. One term I have 3 students who were hospitalized with 'strokes.' I kid you not. And they get far more outlandish the longer I teach. Ask for the paperwork but it never arrives.

      If a student doesn't want to be in class, he or she will not go. To me, I wouldn't put any weight on the emails.

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    2. AnonymousJuly 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM, thank you for sharing your take on this! Originally I thought Maura's statement to professors was highly unusual, but now I see that it is not unusual for students to concoct this type of excuse for an extended absence.

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  9. If Maura was pregnant, than yes this place or a place similar could of been her destination. In the 20 / 20 episode, there's a clip of Maura and Billy on the couch and Maura's face looks more fuller than it did in her mugshot picture from the credit card fraud. Wonder if the video was taken around the Christmas holidays of 03.


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    1. A woman's face doesn't lose the fullness during pregnancy so it would've still had to have been full in the mugshot. However, lighting can affect tht.

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  10. I find it incredible that everyone is extrapolating more and more outlandish theories out of the simplest of coincidences.

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  11. Is there absolute proof that Mayra knew of its existence? Even if her sister's boyfriend was born there, how would Maura know if it was still open and she could wander in and get a bed for 8 months? I think it's safe to assume that it is run very differently than when Bundy, or even Carpenter , was born. Today it is run more as an outpatient social services facility. The inpatient aspect deals with mothers who already have children- they live together during treatment.

    It doesn't seem like a fit for her, when she could've privately used services provided through the university. HIPAA laws began in 1996, so she would been totally anonymous and would have known that.

    This seems like far too large of a leap, even if she knew where Caroenter was born. I have no idea the name of the hospital my husband or his siblings was born. I doubt he knows mine. Those just aren't things we have discussed. So I think it's in the realm of possibility MM didn't know about this home for unwed mothers (which isn't called that anymore, btw.)

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  12. A devout Irish Catholic girl would NEVER consider abortion.A home for unwed mothers would fit the bill for sure.

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    1. That's an interesting fact I never heard before. Devout Catholic? Really? That seems in direct conflict with her lifestyle.

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    2. Her parents seem(ed) fairly devout, so that would've been what they wanted at least.

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    3. Her divorced parents were devout? I have not heard of Fred even attending church. But even if he was, that means nothing as far as Maura's religious affiliation. If she was pregnant and drinking, I think we can make some assumptions about her being a devout Catholic.

      We don't know if she was pregnant. I think she has enough stress in her life to make her want to flee, at least for a week.

      But even if she was, we cannot assume anything about what she would or would not do.

      In the end, she doesn't seem to have made it to whatever destination she had. So it really doesn't help us get any closer to finding her.

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    4. You are living in a dream world if you think that a devout Catholic girl would never consider abortion. Useless statement. No one knows the secrets kept in others' heads. Terms like "devout" are speculative. People practice faiths to the degree of what they wish to practice. Absolute/blanket statements that collectively name all of a certain type and use "never" just do not hold any water. She could have been "devout" and she could have considered abortion. Note the use of the words "could have" and not "never" or "always".

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  13. A lot of people here criticize the speculation. Everyone's entitled to his/her opinion, but I for one feel speculation is necessary. Speculation can lead to clues which can lead to answers. Otherwise, what do we have? Without some theories we are only grasping at straws.

    This is an interesting line of thinking. Was Maura pregnant and at her wit's end, wondering if she had already damaged the pregnancy irreparably? Could this facility have been her intended (or actual) destination?

    The Irish Catholic angle is interesting. Did she adhere to those beliefs or was that simply how she was raised? In my experience some Catholics take certain liberties yet remain steadfastly opposed to abortion.

    If a young, scared pregnant Maura (I'm speculating about the possible pregnancy angle) showed up desperate on their doorstep, I believe a social worker at Lund would have found a way to have her admitted or obtain other services for her. This would all be confidential as well. As has been stated, she also might have had money with her.

    As to the idea that Maura could have accessed services in Amherst well, I was a young college student once and I think I would have wanted to travel far away for services of any sort, especially as a nursing student who might bump up against the medical providers in the future professionally. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is the fact that Maura was supposedly planning to move to away from the area upon graduation.

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    1. Ancientexplorer1989July 15, 2016 at 5:16 PM

      another great take, jodi. i think you hit the proverbial nail on the head here.

      if speculation is considered offensive/detrimental, then we'd still think the world is flat and no crime would ever be solved. speculation fuels evidence recovery and attainment.

      there should be no holier than thou mindset in any case, regardless of certification as long as the information supplier/speculating individual makes some degree of sense. that's just my opinion.

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  14. While I understand you find speculation ok, I have to disagree. I've seen people jump down the rabbit hole in the comments section of this blog, and have seen conjecture become fact. That means that people are assuming that lies are truth. How does that forward the search for Maura? I don't think it does. But, that's only my opinion.

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    1. That's true for any forum, not just this one. How many out there have stated as fact Chase is guilty, and a trial has yet to occur. Most people understand speculation.

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  15. Off topic...I have a question for James and John G and everyone else with great knowledge of this case...cos even though I have been fascinated with this case for a few years and often go to sleep with Maura on my mind I am by no means near to getting my mind around it all.
    Why is everyone looking for Maura from the crash site outward?? As I understand it the last reputable sighting of her was maybe the one where she bought alcohol. We have never seen the atm footage that claims to be her. Butch was unsure at first if it was indeed Maura he saw. And honestly lot of young woman do look alike. Shouldn't a search for her start at her last verified sighting? Or is the fact that is was her cell and her car enough to be sure she was def at the accident sight?
    Thank you

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  16. After taking into consideration what I know of this case, I feel the reality is that this stopped being a "search and rescue" situation a long time ago. Occam's Razor indicates that this is a "search and recovery." I don't know what happened to Maura, and neither do the most expert of posters here. For myself, I'm pretty sure she is deceased, and the crux of the matter is to discover how it happened . . . if that is even possible. Yes, Maura could have planned a new life for herself, but then why take her school books? It makes no sense. This is not a girl who was in a state to plan an elaborately-crafted get away. She was smashing up cars, drinking, and breaking down in tears at her workplace. All of those elements suggest an individual spinning out of control. She COULD have run away to start over. Hell, she COULD have been abducted by aliens. I think it's much more likely that the girl died sometime shortly after her final wreck.

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  17. Searching for directions to Burlington, VT does not indicate a pregnancy. Was a search for this home for unwed mothers also found on her computer? Not that I've ever read about or heard of. It would seem likely that if she was headed to this home, she would have taken the time to research it before heading up to it. Pregnant? Possible. Heading to a home for unwed mothers in VT? Doubtful. Just my HO.

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