What We've Learned So Far

New to this site? Here are some new facts about the Maura Murray case that will get you up to speed with the investigation into her disappearance.

- At the time of her disappearance, Maura was on probation for credit card fraud, having been caught stealing credit card numbers to order pizza in the dorms at UMass.

- There is no significance to the strange phone call Billy Rausch got on his cell phone. Police tracked down and interviewed the person who made that call. It was a Red Cross worker trying to reach him.

- Maura and Billy were not engaged at the time of her disappearance. Billy had cheated on her. And Maura was having an affair with one of her track coaches.

- There is no evidence that Fred Murray was helping Maura buy a car, the weekend before she disappeared, other than Fred's own statements. Friends who were with her that weekend said neither Fred nor Maura mentioned car hunting.

- Fred refused to be interviewed by police for 2 years and when he did, he brought 2 lawyers with him.

- Fred lied to the police and media about the events of the weekend leading to Maura's disappearance.

- Strange items were found at the home of Fred Murray, including photographs of young women in his family tucked inside an adult magazine.

- Fred has told Maura's friends to not talk to the author of the book on her disappearance.

- One of the last people to see Maura Murray before she drove to New Hampshire has a very odd family history.

- The Haverhill Police Chief had some demons of his own.

- A search warrant suggests someone called Maura's phone from New Hampshire the day she disappeared.

- On the 8th anniversary of Maura's disappearance, a mentally disturbed man released a series of videos on YouTube taunting authorities and suggesting he has inside info about what happened to the young woman.

41 comments:

  1. Thanks for doing all the work to put this in factual form. By listing the facts, i think it paints a different perspective many may not have thought of before.

    p.s. Excited for your book !! :-)

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  2. Thank you soo much for doing this! I was the annoying one posting all of those questions! WOW! You have uncovered a lot! I really appreciate your patience & Thank you again for taking the time to do this!!! WOW WOW WOW!

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  3. Disappointed FollowerJanuary 16, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    Very little of this has to do with what happened to Maura. Sad, really, especially if this is the core of what's going into a book about her disappearance. Comes off as very insensitive and borders on crass.

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    1. How can you say that all this has little to do with her disappearance? This all may have a lot to do with her circumstances of being gone. It's possible she left on her own maybe due to all of these things that she had going on. Did you ever think of that?

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    2. Only recently I saw this on Disappeared and without even knowing about any of what I just read here, I found her father and her boyfriend insincere. I don't believe that Maura is still alive. I believe someone took her off the road.

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  4. Is there a publish date? Looking forward to hearing a lot of what was left out of the media.

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  5. fred is totally covering something .... on the id show he sounds so on the defense about the whole situation.......

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    1. Yeah i agree with you on that one. Fred seems like he's very careful about what he says in front of the camera. I have watched the Disappeared segment a few times, the bf mother also seems quite overbearing.

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  6. I've talked to people in the Mass track community who are absolutely convinced that Maura disappeared to start a new life. They believe she is alive and well, probably living somewhere in Canada.

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  7. This case is just truly an enigma. As soon as you think there's a piece of evidence that points definitively to one theory, another piece of evidence makes you think twice. The things that stand out to me the most are:

    1- Dysfunctional family dynamics and possible alcohol abuse by her father and/or herself.

    2- Past criminal behavior on her part.

    A note on these two things: this is not a moral judgement on her or her father. I work in the mental health profession and these are simply things that give context to one's life and statistically, quite simply, are indicators of future behavior.

    3- Staging a car crash of that magnitude, with the air bags deploying, would take A LOT of guts. It wouldn't be impossible, but, one misjudgment and it could have turned out horribly wrong. However, if she was someone who was a bit reckless and lived on the edge anyway, she very well could have been capable of this.

    4- Turning away help from the bus driver. This is just so unthinkable if she were truly in need of help- regardless of her being worried about trouble with the law. And, if this was such a concern of hers: Why would she leave a box of wine in the backseat? She would've had to have known that eventually, the cops would come to the car, see it, along with the poured out substance (wine?) on the ground. I put myself in her position, out of town, alone, just wrecked on an isolated road and you turn away help from the bus driver but then within 10 minutes decide to then accept a ride from someone else? Unless, as other poster's have said, which I think is a very plausible theory, that she turned away help before she realized there was no cell service. Also-- if an accomplice was involved, it seems to me that they would have already been there when the bus driver stopped. If she started a new life, I have a feeling it was independent of anyone else.

    5- The odds- NOT saying it's impossible- that someone capable and willing to kill a young woman in cold blood for no reason happened to drive by her in those 10 minutes before police arrived and she accepted a ride from them after she declined help from someone in a school bus of all things. NOT impossible but I would say that the odds seem slim.

    Again, this is such a perplexing case. Her relationship with her father seems co-dependent and dysfunctional from the outside looking in and that could be totally wrong as I have never had a conversation with either of them so am in no position to really claim that. That's just my impression with my trained eye in my job dealing with people day in and day out in mental health settings. Other poster's have said how hard it would be for her to start a new life without an imprint, but- who's looking for her? Certainly not the police and do her family and father really have the resources to look places such as Canada etc.? IF there were someone capable and had reason to start a new life- she seems to be a candidate. I don't believe the letter from the cousin, how ridiculous is that, to just spell it out like that, knowing she could be held liable for all her past crimes and saying explicitly what town she was in.

    That being said, the police work seems so shoddy here that, if her body was in the woods (or elsewhere) due to accidental death (the reports of a young woman running nearby are compelling- perhaps she was disoriented from the crash and ended up alone in the woods, but this means she would've had to dumped the liquor she took from the car and that's not ever been found) Or if it was suicide or murder, I have serious doubts that the police would have necessarily found her.


    Where are you Maura?

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    1. Excellent comment! I could not agree more with basically everything you've written! Thank you.

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    2. Newbie.
      I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually found evidence she wandered away disoriented and died of exposure in the woods....
      But. I do think all the points you make are excellent ! And they add to my speculation that Maura was experiencing early onset of a serious mental illness. That would explain all the behaviors you call attention to - the crashes, the reaction to the school bus driver, etc.- and be supported by the family dynamic.
      Being in the mental health field, what do you think ? Could she now be out there in a homeless shelter suffering from full blown schizophrenia ?
      Is it likely there that a long-distance traveler could have picked her up on that road and driven her til she asked to get out, or is it mostly local traffic?

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    3. Mostly local traffic. Road is used to travel from Woodsville area to North Woodstock area on a daily basis. I am a travel nurse living in North Woodstock area and work in Woodsville area. I travel this route daily (nightly) and see the same several cars every night going to and fro. Other than that it is only traveled by others on holidays.

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  8. I have a doctor who is named "Mara" but responds to Maura, this could just be me hoping the lost have been found though.

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    1. There is no way that Maura could be your doctor. Get serious. She could never have been licensed without her name coming up and being identified.

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  9. When you are pregnant you are a little crazy emotional ect. I think if she removed all the alcohol from her car she fled on foot. It would explain not wanting a DUI.

    If all the alcohol was still in her car she was taken at the scene. Serial Killers prey on injured victims. I believe if she made no attempt to remove the alcohol she was too injured to move. Is it possible the bus driver didn't tell the truth? He looked a little creepy on the video. Having no cell service down a road with no street lights I would be scared to just run off.

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    1. she didn't go into the woods I along with many other locals searched everywhere.We know these woods like the back of our hands we would have found her.

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    2. But the bus driver did live within 100 yards of the site. .. and the dog who was searching for the girl lost his scent around 100 ft or so. .. and a witness came forward stating she saw maura with a man in his sixties and the bus driver definitely matches the description. I wonder if the bus driver was ever thoroughly investigated. Maybe brought in and questioned maybe even made to do a lie detector test

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    3. The bus driver took two lie detector tests (as mentioned elsewhere on here) he failed the first and passed the second. He only failed the first due to heart medication which interfered with the equipment. Put simply, its not the bus driver. He went straight home and called the police, furthermore he lived in the cabin with his wife and mother so had no time or opportunity. The bus driver was only a good Samaritan whose help was refused, that's his only crime. He apparently felt guilty he did not do more to help later on in life. Very unfair to accuse him.

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  10. This case is just so weird. It's like Maura disappeared off the face of the earth.twists and turns this story has so much different things to follow up on. Why would Fred not want to give all the information come clean as to why he has all those pictures of young girls. Do you think that Fred may have molested Maura early on in her life and that's why the drinking and running away. It just seems that this poor girl had so many troubles acting out by stealing credit card numbers and the drinking clearly her life was messed up. I can't wait for the book it is just crazy how people just vanish without a trace.

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  11. Anyone think the Bus Driver might have gone home changed car/truck and came back and she got in? I would like to know more about the Dad, however, he seems to be pretty upset in the ID show.

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  12. I have to say, while I'm here, that it's insane how much info Wikipedia LEAVES out about this case. If you go by their info...it's a simple, open and shut, abduction.

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  13. I'm new to this case, having seen it on ID Discovery's show "Disappeared" just a few days ago. I've read this site through and through and I've come to the conclusion that we need to know more about four important pieces of information:

    1. The phone call that upset Maura. Did she or did she not actually receive this phone call at 1:00 a.m., and who was it from and what was it about? And did this call have anything to do with her disappearance?

    2. The "Londonderry ping" phone call. Who called Maura from New Hampshire the after noon she went off to New Hampshire? When exactly did this call take place and where did the call fall into the timeline we have for Maura's movements before she disappeared?

    3. Did Maura really do Web searches on the effects of alcohol on pregnancy? If so, was there anything in her class lessons that would require her to research that topic? If not, when did she make this search?

    4. Was there or wasn't there a rag (whether from her own car's emergency kit or not) in her tail pipe? Why was it there? How far could her car have traveled with the rag in the tail pipe before stalling? (Could she have driven all the way there from her dorm, or did it have to have been placed in the tail pipe closer to where she was found?)

    All this being said, I think the incredible inconsistencies and obvious deceptions from her father scream out that he's up to his eyeballs in guilt. What he's guilty of, I can't say, but I'd personally consider him a Person of Interest.

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  14. Have you ever stuffed a rag into a tailpipe the car wont start.If there was a rag in the tail pipe where the car was it was put in there.

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  16. After reading what everyone had to say I finally want to make my comment about what happened to Maura. It's my opinion that she was depressed and wanted to commit suicide. I think she wanted to die somewhere that held happy memories for her and that is why she was headed to the families old vacation spot. The rag in the tailpipe the alcohol were all to boost her confidence or dull her senses so she could commit the act. The car accident in my mind, was not apart of Maura's plan but it didn't deter her.

    Maura, after the wreak, realizing that she was going to be discovered, questioned and possibly arrested; panicked. Maura probably knew she couldn't make any calls from the area since she lied about calling triple A. This was probably just a ploy to keep the bus driver from calling the police. Maura didn't want to explain herself or get into more trouble, she'd made her decision. At that point I think she left the scene with a person(s) unknown. I don't think Maura ran (the person spotted running) far, I believe she got into a car with someone at the point where the dogs lost her scent. Maybe because the bus driver was going in a direction she didn't want to go or because he had called authorities.

    At this point I think Maura was probably killed by the person who gave her a ride. She was inebriated and most likely distraught from the accident so this made her an easy target. It was probably someone familiar with the area and he may have even kept her alive up until the intense media scrutiny and then disposed of her on or near his (likely a man) property.

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  17. Why are people assuming that a killer/abductor just randomly happened upon her after she crashed? The type of people that kidnap will follow, stalk their victims. They are looking for a specific person & they will take the time to find & corner that person. They will follow the person & wait for the right moment. It is very likely she was seen by some creep at the liquor store where she bought alcohol, or simply somewhere along her trip & was followed by that person. He may have even caused her accident in some way, possibly using the tailpipe rag & grabbed her once she exited her car. He may have been able to convince her he was helping her & she may have taken a ride from him voluntarily but realized her mistake later. I think it's a bit loony to conclude that Maura is alive & well & started a new life somewhere or lives in hiding voluntarily, but it would be kind of nice if that were the truth.

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    1. There have been many cases where people have been killed by people who have happened upon them randomly. I was just reading a case last night of a little girl who was snatched from the side of the road on the way home from school. Totally opportunistic.

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  18. I think Fred is covering something up. Where was he the night she left?

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  19. It is possible for a serial killer or murderer to just randomly be driving by. Remember the case of the young woman coming home from a party in California and when she had car trouble instead of staying with her car until help came started walking for help. She was never seen again until many years later her body was found frozen in the killer's freezer. He had just happened by and offered her a ride.
    Anything is possible.

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    1. The girl was Denise Huber and John Joseph Famalaro bashed her in the head after gaining her trust posing as a cop. Her car had a flat. She died of blunt force trauma, he used a hammer...A real Romeo. He's on death row.

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  20. I am watching the ID programme for the second time. Whatever may be plausible it strikes me that the sad truth is she is dead. How this happened will remain unknown unless her remains are found and as it is now ten years since she disappeared there appears to be a decreasing will to find the truth.
    This forum has highlighted the failings of her family which were not part of the documentary and would raise suspicions to the lay-person let alone the Authorities if these are indeed true.
    I believe the sadness of her close friends reflects their belief she will not return and my thoughts are with all those who loved her.
    Craig , Nottingham, England.

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  21. What caused the crack in the windshield? Certainly not her head if the air bags deployed.
    This was one smart and fit young woman. She had every detail planned out. She emailed her employer and professors that she would be gone for a week because of a death in the family. That made sure that they would not start raising questions about her disappearance any time soon if ever.
    We know for a fact she cleaned out her dorm room as if she were never coming back.
    We know for a fact that she bought $30 of alcohol. We do not know for a fact that she drank one drop of it. She could have been mixing drinks and pouring them out the window so people would think that drunkenness was the cause of the accident.
    I think the odds of a "dirtbag" showing up and snatching her with the bus driver and all the neighbors peering out has about the same odds that she was struck by lightening - especially in that small window of time. I think she and someone else had it planned out exactly where she would "lose control of the car" and crash. I think he came by, she hopped in out of sight of the neighbors and went off to a new life.
    The family and friends are acting so hinky because they know exactly what happened to her and where she is
    Just my opinion.

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    1. why would she have planned to cash here though near a load of cabins and directly in the view of many cabins, it makes no sense. I will never believe that Maura hatched the plan to crash and spin the car 180 degrees. What on earth would be the reason for this? Furthermore what would be the reason of conning police into believing she was drinking while behind the wheel? I just don't see what she has to gain from either of these actions. Why crash in a part of a road that is well seen by neighbors where it is likely police will turn up very quickly? I believe I have seen enough evidence on this blog to suggest she was leaving, getting away. I just don't believe she was leaving permanently and if she was why would she not also tell family about her plans to leave for a week? This would consequently give her a week head start, as you mention. The only people she tells she is leaving is her college course, which implies to me that she intends to continue at some point in time. I think a plan was indeed in place and it went wrong with this accident and then ahead of time I think something bad happened. She might well have been picked up by her travelling companion but the fact she has fallen off the grid so completely indicates, very sadly, to me that this travelling companion or another unsub did something bad to Maura Murray.

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  23. Was Maura's Probation Officer ever questioned? To the best of my knowledge, individuals on Parole are required to advise their Probation Officer any time they change their residential location, even if it's just for a few days.

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  24. Its worth considering how much the accident would have effected her state of mind and behavior in the immediate aftermath. I believe this has been glazed over and this crash is often considered as just something that happened while she was on the way, with it being thought that she just reverts to her original plan of action afterwards. This crash could well have been a momentous event to Maura, she was already in some trouble with police due to the C.C fraud and the previous car crash. She got away with possibly being intoxicated at the last crash. She might have felt she would not be so lucky this time with all the alcohol in the car. Perhaps she saw visions of jail. Perhaps because she saw her life being wrecked by this final disaster she made decisions that were risky and that she might never had usually made. She might well have had a minor head injury from the crash and we know she was drinking and furthermore had a great deal more alcohol on her. I do not want to get too moribund but if she did get a quick lift by hitching then it need not be a serial killer who picked her up. We could be looking at a first time offender, an opportunity criminal who wants to take advantage of an intoxicated traumatized and confused attractive young girl. My general point is that Maura in this condition was in perfect condition to be taken advantage of by an opportunity offender at any time during that night. It's my contention that this accident might have changed her behavior in a very dangerous way and left her feeling that she had to run and keep on running. The trouble is that people who are running are very vulnerable and often desperate.

    I do agree with you Mr Renner that Maura was leaving, where we differ is on how long she was leaving, I believe she was going for a short period away in terms of days or weeks at most. I think there is a lack of finality in her preparation. If she is planning a new life why send an email detailing her class absence at all? Why initially take only a fraction of her belongings? I also along with you believe there are other parties involved but I'm not sure if she was with someone else (in another vehicle) travelling or if she was going to a predetermined place to meet somebody. I believe that the amount of alcohol she purchased indicates it was for more than one person. It all leads to one of two possibilities for me, either she made the meeting (or got the lift with her travelling companion) and that person turned out to be dangerous or she was picked up by someone and somewhere in her journey became a target for an opportunist. But then broadly speaking I am afraid she was indeed a target of an opportunist.

    I do hope to God that you find her and I wish you well but I have a more morbid outlook and I find it hard to believe that Maura could be so disaffected that she would miss the funeral of her own mother and remain steadfastly off the grid and out of contact for over a decade. Godspeed Mr Renner.

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  25. She ran away. There doesn't need to be a reason why. Sometimes people like us just want to disappear. Leave everything behind and be the kind of person we always felt we could be inside but couldn't be in real life. Normal people would never understand this. But I do.

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    1. Bulemia.....sknny
      MM Blog....me
      Missing......somwhre

      "us"
      "we"

      "sknnymewomwhre" warrants more srutiny.....

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  26. I am watching id right now ,saw her story for the 3 rd time or so ,i think her father is hiding something .i dont trust him

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